[RUS] Ukrainian minister says Donbass residents genetically unfit for national culture

[Zenaan Harkness]

Ukrainian minister says Donbass residents genetically unfit for national
culture
https://www.rt.com/news/367972-ukraine-donbass-genes-culture/

Published time: 23 Nov, 2016 18:34
Edited time: 23 Nov, 2016 18:48

Residents of Ukraine's east lack the genetics necessary to be part of
Ukrainian culture, according to the country's Minister of Culture. The
comment was quickly picked up by the opposition, who are now urging the
minister to resign.

"Speaking about genetics, Zaporozhye and the Donbass [region]... they
are imported cities. There is no genetics there," Evgeny Nishchuk said
on Monday in an interview with local local TV channel ICTV when asked
why Ukrainian culture is spreading so slowly.

The comment was quickly noticed both inside and outside Ukraine.

The Opposition Bloc party forwarded a plea to the Ukrainian parliament
to make Nishchuk give up his office, saying that “societies based on
ethnical segregation have long been outdated” and “he would be punished
for this kind of comments in a civilized society.”

“The minister points to ethnically unclean people who are, however,
still providing for Ukraine’s economics and national budget,” the
party’s statement said.

The leader of Ukraine’s Radical Party, Oleg Lyashko, harshly condemned
Nishchuk on his Facebook page and didn’t hesitate to call him “an
idiot,” who should be fired as a “genetically impaired” person.

Ukraine’s energy minister, Igor Nasalik, was less emotional, but still
disapproving.

“He was talking history, that I understand … but I don’t share his
viewpoint,” Nasalik said, according to local news outlet Strana.

Nishchuk apologized at a Cabinet meeting on Wednesday, explaining that
he “didn’t want to offend anybody” and he was talking about “the
importance of culture dialogue and exchange”.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, Maria Zakharova, made statements
about rebels living in the Donbass region, which has been in an armed
conflict with the Ukrainian government ever since it came to power in
the 2014 Kiev coup.

“I doubt that any of our western partners would take these words as an
offense,” Maria Zakharova wrote on her Facebook page on Wednesday. “Most
probably they won’t see them at all. They pay so much attention to human
rights. And they pay so little when it comes to politically troublesome
regions,” Zakharova noted.

It's no surprise it's so hard to stick to the Minsk roadmap to peace in
Ukraine, given that “Ukraininan governments see Donbass residents as
culturally different people whose identity should be corrected,”
Zakharova wrote.

Earlier this month the commander-in-chief of Ukraine’s Armed Forced said
that people in Donbass harbor extreme hatred for Ukraine’s security
officials, adding that they passed information about their locations
over to rebel fighters.

In August, Viktoria Syumar, deputy secretary of Ukraine's Security
Council, suggested holding a nationwide referendum on whether it was
worth fighting for control over Donbass, saying it that would take too
much in terms of resources to restore the infrastructure there and
besides, and that the local population "hates Ukraine."

Before that, in June, Vadim Chernysh, Minister for Temporarily Occupied
Territories (the official description of the Donbass area, which Kiev
says was invaded by Russia), said that even if Donbass is brought back
under Ukraine's control, its residents still won’t acknowledge the
official Ukrainian government.

Since August, 2016, the conflict has claimed the lives of over 9,500
people over two years of warfare, according to UN data.

Ur-Fascism - was Re: CNN - asking the right questions

[Zenaan Harkness]

Authority indeed. Thank you :)


On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 04:55:00AM +, Razer wrote:
> I refer to Umberto Eco as the (snigger) "Authority"
> 
> It doesn't take much to understand fascism. 9 pages and 14 ways of
> looking at a Blackshirt is plenty.
> 
> http://www.pegc.us/archive/Articles/eco_ur-fascism.pdf
> 
> z9wahqvh:
> > a more reasonable right-wing definition of fascism is one offered by the
> > guy who invented it, Benito Mussolini (actually mostly by his court
> > philosopher Giovanni Gentile). Here's just one important part (more here:
> > http://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/mussolini-fascism.asp):
> > 
> > For Fascism, the growth of empire, that is to say the expansion of the
> >> nation, is an essential manifestation of vitality, and its opposite a sign
> >> of decadence. Peoples which are rising, or rising again after a period of
> >> decadence, are always imperialist; and renunciation is a sign of decay and
> >> of death. Fascism is the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies
> >> and the aspirations of a people, like the people of Italy, who are rising
> >> again after many centuries of abasement and foreign servitude. But empire
> >> demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense
> >> of duty and sacrifice: this fact explains many aspects of the practical
> >> working of the regime, the character of many forces in the State, and the
> >> necessarily severe measures which must be taken against those who would
> >> oppose this spontaneous and inevitable movement of Italy in the twentieth
> >> century, and would oppose it by recalling the outworn ideology of the
> >> nineteenth century - repudiated wheresoever there has been the courage to
> >> undertake great experiments of social and political transformation; for
> >> never before has the nation stood more in need of authority, of direction
> >> and order. If every age has its own characteristic doctrine, there are a
> >> thousand signs which point to Fascism as the characteristic doctrine of our
> >> time. For if a doctrine must be a living thing, this is proved by the fact
> >> that Fascism has created a living faith; and that this faith is very
> >> powerful in the minds of men is demonstrated by those who have suffered and
> >> died for it.
> >>
> > 
> > notice all that emphasis on "decadence," on the expansion of Empire, on the
> > "strength" of "the nation," on militarism? it's pretty hard to make that
> > work with the creation of social security and welfare programs (aka The New
> > Deal), or FDR's patent lack of interest in the kind of militaristic
> > nationalism that -- oh, he eventually went to war against, but only after
> > being dragged kicking and screaming, mostly through the US being attacked
> > directly.
> > 
> > but what did Mussolini know about fascism (despite being the leader of the
> > actual movement that gave us the word)?
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 8:26 PM, z9wahqvh  wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 2:37 PM, juan  wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I wonder what an 'updated' new deal is considering that the
> >>> Original New Deal was chemically pure fascism...
> >>>
> >>>
> >> in which Juan-who-swears-he's-not-an-authoritarian-right-winger
> >> demonstrates that he gets his analysis of fundamental political categories
> >> from authoritarian right wingers (the only people--especially Hayek himself
> >> and National Review editor Jonah Goldberg--who describe the New Deal as
> >> having anything whatsoever to do with fascism, which it did not).

Re: CNN - asking the right questions

[Razer]

I refer to Umberto Eco as the (snigger) "Authority"

It doesn't take much to understand fascism. 9 pages and 14 ways of
looking at a Blackshirt is plenty.

http://www.pegc.us/archive/Articles/eco_ur-fascism.pdf

z9wahqvh:
> a more reasonable right-wing definition of fascism is one offered by the
> guy who invented it, Benito Mussolini (actually mostly by his court
> philosopher Giovanni Gentile). Here's just one important part (more here:
> http://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/mussolini-fascism.asp):
> 
> For Fascism, the growth of empire, that is to say the expansion of the
>> nation, is an essential manifestation of vitality, and its opposite a sign
>> of decadence. Peoples which are rising, or rising again after a period of
>> decadence, are always imperialist; and renunciation is a sign of decay and
>> of death. Fascism is the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies
>> and the aspirations of a people, like the people of Italy, who are rising
>> again after many centuries of abasement and foreign servitude. But empire
>> demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense
>> of duty and sacrifice: this fact explains many aspects of the practical
>> working of the regime, the character of many forces in the State, and the
>> necessarily severe measures which must be taken against those who would
>> oppose this spontaneous and inevitable movement of Italy in the twentieth
>> century, and would oppose it by recalling the outworn ideology of the
>> nineteenth century - repudiated wheresoever there has been the courage to
>> undertake great experiments of social and political transformation; for
>> never before has the nation stood more in need of authority, of direction
>> and order. If every age has its own characteristic doctrine, there are a
>> thousand signs which point to Fascism as the characteristic doctrine of our
>> time. For if a doctrine must be a living thing, this is proved by the fact
>> that Fascism has created a living faith; and that this faith is very
>> powerful in the minds of men is demonstrated by those who have suffered and
>> died for it.
>>
> 
> notice all that emphasis on "decadence," on the expansion of Empire, on the
> "strength" of "the nation," on militarism? it's pretty hard to make that
> work with the creation of social security and welfare programs (aka The New
> Deal), or FDR's patent lack of interest in the kind of militaristic
> nationalism that -- oh, he eventually went to war against, but only after
> being dragged kicking and screaming, mostly through the US being attacked
> directly.
> 
> but what did Mussolini know about fascism (despite being the leader of the
> actual movement that gave us the word)?
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 8:26 PM, z9wahqvh  wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 2:37 PM, juan  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder what an 'updated' new deal is considering that the
>>> Original New Deal was chemically pure fascism...
>>>
>>>
>> in which Juan-who-swears-he's-not-an-authoritarian-right-winger
>> demonstrates that he gets his analysis of fundamental political categories
>> from authoritarian right wingers (the only people--especially Hayek himself
>> and National Review editor Jonah Goldberg--who describe the New Deal as
>> having anything whatsoever to do with fascism, which it did not).
>>
>>
> 

-- 
RR
"You might want to ask an expert about that - I just fiddled around with
mine until it worked..."

Re: CNN - asking the right questions

[Steve Kinney]

On 11/23/2016 08:53 PM, juan wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:26:58 -0500
> z9wahqvh  wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 2:37 PM, juan  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder what an 'updated' new deal is considering that the
>>> Original New Deal was chemically pure fascism...
>>>
>>>
> 
>> in which Juan-who-swears-he's-not-an-authoritarian-right-winger
>> demonstrates that he gets his analysis of fundamental political
>> categories from authoritarian right wingers
> 
> 
>   Are you denying that roosevelt was a fascist? Funnily enough
>   that's exactly what pro-roosevelt authoritarians would do.
> 
>   And no, I don't get my political analysis from right wingers
>   but I know full well that for some people - left wing fascists
>   - anything they don't like is 'right wing'.

Although his fellow "upper class twits" called Roosevelt a Class Traitor
and Bolshevik, and organized a coup against him (the "Business Plot").
But his policies actually were "good for Business" and his performance
in dragging the U.S. into WWII do qualify him for the "fascist"
designation.  That label fits every President before or since, to a
greater or lesser but usually greater extent, if I recall correctly.

But as an anarchist, I don't give half a shit what labels fit which
rulers; I do prefer economic policies that redistribute wealth -
therefore power - down the social hierarchy somewhat.  Others may view
the world in single digit binary terms, rejecting as worthless /any/ but
their own ideal solutions, perfectly and uniformly implemented.  That's
only a small part of the definition of Fascism, so I will refrain from
calling names on account of it.  Juan.

ROTFLMAO

:o)

Ark of Gabriel, Antarctica, [RUS], conspiracy

[Zenaan Harkness]

Could Ezekiel be the true story of the Watchers, a groundhog battle
repeated from Ramakrishna's "ancient" Sanskrit times, an actual battle
soon to play once again on this little plot of real estate we now call
mother Earth?

Could the "recorded" assertions, statements and promises of "Ark Angel"
Gabriel rest in fact, despite clumsy words by "modern" language
standards, terms and technology?




The Ark of Gabriel, Antarctica, Russia and the Apocalypse
February 25, 2016
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2016/02/the-ark-of-gabriel-antarctica-russia-and-the-apocalypse/

WHAT IS HAPPENING: Russian Patriarch Kirill held a strange ritual in
Antarctica under the direction of Pope Francis
February 20, 2016
http://mirrorspectrum.com/behind-the-mirror/what-is-happening-russian-patriarch-kirill-held-a-strange-ritual-in-antarctica-under-the-direction-of-pope-francis

23.11.2016 Author: Seth Ferris
John Kerry’s Trip the South Pole: Nazi Roots “Revisited”?
http://journal-neo.org/2016/11/23/john-kerrys-trip-the-south-pole-nazi-roots-revisited/


Ruins of an Ancient City With a Storied Past Surface in Antarctica
Wednesday, December 30, 2015
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/12/ruins-of-an-ancient-city-with-a-storied-past-surface-in-antarctica-3268870.html

Russia’s Mysterious ‘Ark Of Gabriel’ Weapon – Now On Route To Antartica
Friday, January 1, 2016
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2016/01/russias-mysterious-ark-of-gabriel-weapon-now-on-route-to-antartica-3269514.html

Actor Tom Hanks visits Orthodox church in Antarctica
http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/90709.htm



Could prideful "I am creation's pinnacle, the highest expression of
reality and centre" lead to deafness and blindness?
(Keep getting this assertion (not the humble question) from my
biological brother.)


What did "Ark Angel Gabriel" ask, specify, ordinate?

Is there any group or nation who keeps to some degree "Ark Angel
Gabriel's" dictates?




Musical military propaganda, reminder of Russian military principle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhpjDf8Bthw

Lighter Rus propaganda, for whom values righteousness:
http://thesaker.is/mama-rossiya-mama-video/


(They do say the "angels" did find the fair maidens of Earth exceedingly
desirable.)

Re: Bitcoin Unable To Provide Privacy, Attracts FED and IRS Heat, FinServices Cave Demands

[Steven Schear]

http://bitcoin-brokers.org/, if its still operating, can be an important
element in a thorough trade-craft of financial privacy. They act as brokers
to enable non-AML/KYC purchase of bitcoin. Sellers escrow their bitcoin
with the broker. Buyers deposit cash into seller's bank account at a branch
teller, acquire and present proof of payment, via broker, to the seller.
Assuming no dispute, broker releases bitcoins to buyer minus a reasonable
commission. Because broker never touches any fiat they aren't technically
an exchanger. Seller pays no commission (last time I checked) but is not
anon to buyer (and of course broker).

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 11:54 PM, grarpamp  wrote:

> https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/11/18/2146221/irs-
> demands-identities-of-all-us-coinbase-traders-over-three-year-period
> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/irs-demands-identities-
> of-all-coinbase-traders-over-two-year-period
> https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3222198-Petition-
> for-Coinbase-Trader-Identities.html
> https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/799401350824132608
> https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3222199-Memorandum-
> in-Support-of-Petition-for-Coinbase.html
>
> In bitcoin-related investigations, authorities will often follow the
> digital trail of an illegal transaction or suspicious user back to a
> specific account at a bitcoin trading company. From here,
> investigators will likely subpoena the company for records about that
> particular user, so they can then properly identify the person
> suspected of a crime. The Internal Revenue Service, however, has taken
> a different approach. Instead of asking for data relating to specific
> individuals suspected of a crime, it has demanded bitcoin trading site
> Coinbase to provide the identities of all of the firm's U.S. customers
> who made transactions over a three year period, because there is a
> chance they are avoiding paying taxes on their bitcoin reserves.
> Coinbase has a total of millions of customers. According to court
> filings, which were first flagged by financial blogger Zerohedge on
> Twitter, the IRS has launched an investigation to determine the
> correct amount of tax that those who use virtual currencies such as
> bitcoin are obligated to pay. But according to the documents, the IRS
> is asking for the identities of any U.S. Coinbase customer who
> transferred crypto-currency with the service between 2013 and 2015.
> "The John Does whose identities are sought by the summons are United
> States persons who, at any time during the period January 1, 2013,
> through December 31, 2015, conducted transactions in a convertible
> virtual currency," reads a memorandum written by Department of Justice
> attorneys and filed on Thursday, November 17.
>

Re: CNN - asking the right questions

[juan]

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:26:58 -0500
z9wahqvh  wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 2:37 PM, juan  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I wonder what an 'updated' new deal is considering that the
> > Original New Deal was chemically pure fascism...
> >
> >

> in which Juan-who-swears-he's-not-an-authoritarian-right-winger
> demonstrates that he gets his analysis of fundamental political
> categories from authoritarian right wingers


Are you denying that roosevelt was a fascist? Funnily enough
that's exactly what pro-roosevelt authoritarians would do.

And no, I don't get my political analysis from right wingers
but I know full well that for some people - left wing fascists
- anything they don't like is 'right wing'.


> (the only
> people--especially Hayek himself and National Review editor Jonah
> Goldberg--who describe the New Deal as having anything whatsoever to
> do with fascism, which it did not).


Sure, because you say so. 

 

Re: CNN - asking the right questions

[z9wahqvh]

a more reasonable right-wing definition of fascism is one offered by the
guy who invented it, Benito Mussolini (actually mostly by his court
philosopher Giovanni Gentile). Here's just one important part (more here:
http://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/mussolini-fascism.asp):

For Fascism, the growth of empire, that is to say the expansion of the
> nation, is an essential manifestation of vitality, and its opposite a sign
> of decadence. Peoples which are rising, or rising again after a period of
> decadence, are always imperialist; and renunciation is a sign of decay and
> of death. Fascism is the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies
> and the aspirations of a people, like the people of Italy, who are rising
> again after many centuries of abasement and foreign servitude. But empire
> demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense
> of duty and sacrifice: this fact explains many aspects of the practical
> working of the regime, the character of many forces in the State, and the
> necessarily severe measures which must be taken against those who would
> oppose this spontaneous and inevitable movement of Italy in the twentieth
> century, and would oppose it by recalling the outworn ideology of the
> nineteenth century - repudiated wheresoever there has been the courage to
> undertake great experiments of social and political transformation; for
> never before has the nation stood more in need of authority, of direction
> and order. If every age has its own characteristic doctrine, there are a
> thousand signs which point to Fascism as the characteristic doctrine of our
> time. For if a doctrine must be a living thing, this is proved by the fact
> that Fascism has created a living faith; and that this faith is very
> powerful in the minds of men is demonstrated by those who have suffered and
> died for it.
>

notice all that emphasis on "decadence," on the expansion of Empire, on the
"strength" of "the nation," on militarism? it's pretty hard to make that
work with the creation of social security and welfare programs (aka The New
Deal), or FDR's patent lack of interest in the kind of militaristic
nationalism that -- oh, he eventually went to war against, but only after
being dragged kicking and screaming, mostly through the US being attacked
directly.

but what did Mussolini know about fascism (despite being the leader of the
actual movement that gave us the word)?


On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 8:26 PM, z9wahqvh  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 2:37 PM, juan  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I wonder what an 'updated' new deal is considering that the
>> Original New Deal was chemically pure fascism...
>>
>>
> in which Juan-who-swears-he's-not-an-authoritarian-right-winger
> demonstrates that he gets his analysis of fundamental political categories
> from authoritarian right wingers (the only people--especially Hayek himself
> and National Review editor Jonah Goldberg--who describe the New Deal as
> having anything whatsoever to do with fascism, which it did not).
>
>

Re: CNN - asking the right questions

[z9wahqvh]

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 2:37 PM, juan  wrote:

>
>
> I wonder what an 'updated' new deal is considering that the
> Original New Deal was chemically pure fascism...
>
>
in which Juan-who-swears-he's-not-an-authoritarian-right-winger
demonstrates that he gets his analysis of fundamental political categories
from authoritarian right wingers (the only people--especially Hayek himself
and National Review editor Jonah Goldberg--who describe the New Deal as
having anything whatsoever to do with fascism, which it did not).

Re: CNN - asking the right questions

[juan]

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:53:34 -0500
Steve Kinney  wrote:


> Although I would much rather have seen Sanders in the White House,
> attempting to implement an updated New Deal solution to the ongoing
> collapse of the U.S. economy,



I wonder what an 'updated' new deal is considering that the
Original New Deal was chemically pure fascism...

Re: CNN - asking the right questions

[Steve Kinney]

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On 11/23/2016 07:56 AM, xorcist at sigaint.org wrote:
>> Zenaan Harkness: I'm -pretty- sure we're not descending into
>> 1939, but hey, please holler if I'm missing something...
> 
> ---
> 
> How Hitler Became a Dictator by Jacob G. Hornberger
> 
> Whenever U.S. officials wish to demonize someone, they inevitably
> compare him to Adolf Hitler. The message immediately resonates with
> people because everyone knows that Hitler was a brutal dictator.
> 
> But how many people know how Hitler actually became a dictator? My
> bet is, very few. I’d also bet that more than a few people would be
> surprised at how he pulled it off, especially given that after
> World War I Germany had become a democratic republic.
> 
> The story of how Hitler became a dictator is set forth in The Rise
> and Fall of the Third Reich, by William Shirer, on which this
> article is based.

Three missing elements in this (very useful) summary:

First, the rise of the Third Reich happened while Germany was in
economic ruins due to the Great Depression and Treaty of Versailles,
literally on the brink of mass starvation.  The people were desperate
and the NSDAP offered a simple explanation (Jews and Communists did
it) and a simple solution (get rid of the Jews and Communists).  Under
these conditions the Nazis were able to organize a national militia,
the SA (Sturmabteilung a.k.a. Brown Shirts) and employ terrorist
tactics to help the German people vote correctly.

Second, Germany had a very strong culture of obedience to authority, a
moral imperative synonymous with "honor."  This mind set was dominant
throughout the European sphere of influence in the 19th century, and
although it was in decline (i.e. the much lamented decadence of the
"yellow nineties" and outbreaks of anarchism in the early 20th
century) it remained firmly in place there:  The older Germans I met
as a child were very much "Old World" people, and even as a child I
could see that clearly.

Third, Herr Hitler & Co. kept their key campaign promises:  They did
in fact restore Germany's economy and turned the country (back) into
an industrial powerhouse.  This was accomplished by implementing many
reforms borrowed from Roosevelt's New Deal, and with the kindly
assistance of capital provided by U.S. industrialists who heartily
approved of the Nazis' political philosophy and economic policies.
The Nazis earned the gratitude - and compliance - of the German people.

Hitler was a passionate nationalist; Trump is a vulgar opportunist.
Once in power, Hitler united his nation and did, in fact, make it
great again - at least in terms of economic prosperity and industrial
production.  Trump has already mobilized the already divided American
people into warring factions:  Our natural born Fascists are out of
the closet, the political Left is snarling and screeching while its
leadership digs in for four years of mortal combat, and "moderates" of
all stripes - a sleeping demographic giant - are looking for something
they can actually DO about this train wreck for the first time in
generations.  The Internet has broken the monopoly of Big Capital over
the content mass communications, so the Nazi's famous full spectrum
domestic propaganda regimen can not be duplicated here and now.

Although I would much rather have seen Sanders in the White House,
attempting to implement an updated New Deal solution to the ongoing
collapse of the U.S. economy, a Democratic Party under the literal
control of Clinton and her network stopped Sanders by every means
necessary, and handed the White House to Donald Trump.  So now we get
to see a radical solution to the various crises presently facing the
United States and the world:  Four years of open warfare between the
American Right Fringe and Everyone Else.

Our economic power brokers are already lining up behind Trump, leaving
"boots on the ground" in the form of mass popular movements as his
opponents' only viable response.  We have been taught all our lives
that this means armed conflict, because that's an option our rulers
are very well prepared to control and use to their own advantage.  But
economic warfare through strikes, occupations and mass non-cooperation
are powerful weapons that hit a ruling class hard where it counts - in
their balance sheets and quarterly reports.  Mass movements using
nonviolent strategies and tactics can move political mountains - or
failing this, the struggle to move those mountains builds the
committed support networks that must exist for a last resort armed
insurgency to succeed.


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Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[xorcist at sigaint.org]

> Shawn K. Quinn:
> Honestly, if you're going to vote exclusively for candidates with no
> realistic chance of being elected... you may as well just not vote.

But your stupid argument says these two options have the same effect =D

> In Texas, if you voted for Stein, Johnson, McMullin, or Mickey
> Mouse... you effectively voted for Trump and made it that much more
> difficult to turn Texas blue.

The outcome can be twisted that way, sure, but then it defends the idea
that if the majority of a state votes for a candidate the entire state
voted for that candidate, which is dishonest

You are being dishonest here, 'memba?

Yeah, I 'memba!

You proly believe that satuated fat and cholesterol are bad for you, too

And that "organic" food is more expensive

And that it is healthier, because "organic pesticides"