Re: Breitbart n' shit

[Mirimir]

On 12/06/2016 10:42 PM, John Newman wrote:
> 
> 
> On December 6, 2016 11:46:18 PM EST, Razer  wrote:
>> The folks at Weather.com have asked Breitbart to kindly stop using
>> their
>> data to create #FakeNews.
>>
>> https://weather.com/news/news/breitbart-misleads-americans-climate-change
>>
>> ROTF!
> 
> Yeah I caught that one too :) What's funny is it's actually one of the puff 
> pieces of garbage news Zen forwarded in.

Oil-money talks.

> John
> 

Re: Breitbart n' shit

[John Newman]

On December 6, 2016 11:46:18 PM EST, Razer  wrote:
>The folks at Weather.com have asked Breitbart to kindly stop using
>their
>data to create #FakeNews.
>
>https://weather.com/news/news/breitbart-misleads-americans-climate-change
>
>ROTF!

Yeah I caught that one too :) What's funny is it's actually one of the puff 
pieces of garbage news Zen forwarded in.

John
-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

"total breakdown of fabric of society"

[Zenaan Harkness]

"The Alt-Right is simply Zionism for White Europeans. Jews have an
ethnostate with a wall and Jew-only immigration. If you hate the
Alt-Right you must be an anti-semite."

“We’ve never seen Richard Spencers like this before. We are witnessing
the rise of a new breed of Spencer.” -New York Times

“There’s a feeling in the air, as if Spencerism is going to unleash a
hellish inferno of rebranded white supremacy on Texas.” -USA Today

WaPo:
“Texas is reaching a type of ‘Maximum Richard Spencer Overdrive,’ which
at best will result in a national existential crisis. At worst, we could
be facing a total breakdown of fabric of society, inducing a Walking
Dead type scenario.” -Washington Post

http://www.dailystormer.com/live-at-texas-am-the-dawn-of-richard-spencer/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlbLNWIFEY0
~800MiB ("best")


-- 
* Certified Deplorable Neo-Nazi Fake News Hunter (TM)(C)(R)
* Executive Director of Triggers, Ministry of Winning
* Weapons against traditional European values:
http://davidduke.com/jewish-professor-boasts-of-jewish-pornography-used-as-a-weapon-against-gentiles/

Breitbart n' shit

[Razer]

The folks at Weather.com have asked Breitbart to kindly stop using their
data to create #FakeNews.

https://weather.com/news/news/breitbart-misleads-americans-climate-change

ROTF!

Re: Intro/Projects

[Mirimir]

On 12/06/2016 07:43 AM, Charles Fox wrote:
> I agree Windows would be the weak link, but I think it is easier 
> to persuade someone to install an add-in than to learn Linux.

Please reply inline. It's hard to follow with top-posting.

Anyway, oshwm also noted that, with strong encryption, you _and_ Windows
both become weak links. See below about Windows.



>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: Intro/Projects
> Local Time: December 5, 2016 11:17 PM
> UTC Time: December 6, 2016 7:17 AM
> From: os...@openmailbox.org
> To: [random asshole], cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org



> If your encryption is sufficiently strong (ppl seem happy with
> AES256, any better suggestions) and your random number generator
> wasn't designed or influenced by the NSA then you're likely to
> keep your information private.
> 
> Note that you will then become the weak link and if the
> information is sufficiently important then it will get painful :)

Right. Against resourceful adversaries, anonymity arguably becomes as
important as strong encryption. If they know who to coerce, it doesn't
matter so much that they can't break the encryption.

> In terms of a Windows (you said Outlook) based remailer then I'd
> see Windows as the weak link, especially if its v7/8 or 10.
> Cheers.

The problem with Windows is that there's no way to know what it logs,
what information it sends, or where it sends it. So it's impossible to
keep anything reliably private. Not your identity. Not any encryption
credentials. Nothing is private.

So sure, it's probably "easier to persuade someone to install an add-in
than to learn Linux". But would that be helping them, or putting them at
greater risk, through false belief in privacy and security?

I do agree that it's unrealistic to expect most people to dual-boot
Windows and Linux. Or to devote a computer to Linux. But installing
VirtualBox in Windows is trivial, and most Linux VMs only need 1GB RAM.
Also, there are Linux distros that provide a similar desktop experience
.

Re: [song] [OT] Where Is The Love? - Black Eyed Peas

[rooty]

mmm - that tells a story





 Original Message 
On Dec 6, 2016, 2:58 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

https://youtu.be/WpYeekQkAdc

Where Is The Love? - Black Eyed Peas

What's wrong with the world, mama
People livin' like they ain't got no mamas
I think the whole world addicted to the drama
Only attracted to things that'll bring you trauma

Overseas, yeah, we try to stop terrorism
But we still got terrorists here livin'
In the USA, the big CIA
The Bloods and The Crips and the KKK

But if you only have love for your own race
Then you only leave space to discriminate
And to discriminate only generates hate
And when you hate then you're bound to get irate, yeah

Madness is what you demonstrate
And that's exactly how anger works and operates
Man, you gotta have love just to set it straight
Take control of your mind and meditate
Let your soul gravitate to the love, y'all, y'all

People killin', people dyin'
Children hurt and you hear them cryin'
Can you practice what you preach?
Or would you turn the other cheek?

Father, Father, Father help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me questionin'
Where is the love (Love)

Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love, the love, the love

It just ain't the same, old ways have changed
New days are strange, is the world insane?
If love and peace are so strong
Why are there pieces of love that don't belong?

Nations droppin' bombs
Chemical gasses fillin' lungs of little ones
With ongoin' sufferin' as the youth die young
So ask yourself is the lovin' really gone

So I could ask myself really what is goin' wrong
In this world that we livin' in people keep on givin' in
Makin' wrong decisions, only visions of them dividends
Not respectin' each other, deny thy brother
A war is goin' on but the reason's undercover

The truth is kept secret, it's swept under the rug
If you never know truth then you never know love
Where's the love, y'all, come on (I don't know)
Where's the truth, y'all, come on (I don't know)
Where's the love, y'all

People killin', people dyin'
Children hurt and you hear them cryin'
Can you practice what you preach?
Or would you turn the other cheek?

Father, Father, Father help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me questionin'
Where is the love (Love)

Where is the love (The love)?
Where is the love (The love)?
Where is the love (The love)?
Where is the love (The love)?
Where is the love (The love)?
Where is the love (The love)?
Where is the love, the love, the love?

I feel the weight of the world on my shoulder
As I'm gettin' older, y'all, people gets colder
Most of us only care about money makin'
Selfishness got us followin' the wrong direction

Wrong information always shown by the media
Negative images is the main criteria
Infecting the young minds faster than bacteria
Kids wanna act like what they see in the cinema

Yo', whatever happened to the values of humanity
Whatever happened to the fairness and equality
Instead of spreading love we're spreading animosity
Lack of understanding, leading us away from unity

That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' under
That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' down
There's no wonder why sometimes I'm feelin' under
Gotta keep my faith alive 'til love is found
Now ask yourself

Where is the love?
Where is the love?
Where is the love?
Where is the love?

Father, Father, Father, help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me questionin'
Where is the love?

Sing with me y'all:
One world, one world (We only got)
One world, one world (That's all we got)
One world, one world
And something's wrong with it (Yeah)
Something's wrong with it (Yeah)
Something's wrong with the wo-wo-world, yeah
We only got
(One world, one world)
That's all we got
(One world, one world)

[song] [OT] Where Is The Love? - Black Eyed Peas

[Cecilia Tanaka]

https://youtu.be/WpYeekQkAdc

Where Is The Love?  -  Black Eyed Peas

What's wrong with the world, mama
People livin' like they ain't got no mamas
I think the whole world addicted to the drama
Only attracted to things that'll bring you trauma

Overseas, yeah, we try to stop terrorism
But we still got terrorists here livin'
In the USA, the big CIA
The Bloods and The Crips and the KKK

But if you only have love for your own race
Then you only leave space to discriminate
And to discriminate only generates hate
And when you hate then you're bound to get irate, yeah

Madness is what you demonstrate
And that's exactly how anger works and operates
Man, you gotta have love just to set it straight
Take control of your mind and meditate
Let your soul gravitate to the love, y'all, y'all

People killin', people dyin'
Children hurt and you hear them cryin'
Can you practice what you preach?
Or would you turn the other cheek?

Father, Father, Father help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me questionin'
Where is the love (Love)

Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love, the love, the love

It just ain't the same, old ways have changed
New days are strange, is the world insane?
If love and peace are so strong
Why are there pieces of love that don't belong?

Nations droppin' bombs
Chemical gasses fillin' lungs of little ones
With ongoin' sufferin' as the youth die young
So ask yourself is the lovin' really gone

So I could ask myself really what is goin' wrong
In this world that we livin' in people keep on givin' in
Makin' wrong decisions, only visions of them dividends
Not respectin' each other, deny thy brother
A war is goin' on but the reason's undercover

The truth is kept secret, it's swept under the rug
If you never know truth then you never know love
Where's the love, y'all, come on (I don't know)
Where's the truth, y'all, come on (I don't know)
Where's the love, y'all

People killin', people dyin'
Children hurt and you hear them cryin'
Can you practice what you preach?
Or would you turn the other cheek?

Father, Father, Father help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me questionin'
Where is the love (Love)

Where is the love (The love)?
Where is the love (The love)?
Where is the love (The love)?
Where is the love (The love)?
Where is the love (The love)?
Where is the love (The love)?
Where is the love, the love, the love?

I feel the weight of the world on my shoulder
As I'm gettin' older, y'all, people gets colder
Most of us only care about money makin'
Selfishness got us followin' the wrong direction

Wrong information always shown by the media
Negative images is the main criteria
Infecting the young minds faster than bacteria
Kids wanna act like what they see in the cinema

Yo', whatever happened to the values of humanity
Whatever happened to the fairness and equality
Instead of spreading love we're spreading animosity
Lack of understanding, leading us away from unity

That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' under
That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' down
There's no wonder why sometimes I'm feelin' under
Gotta keep my faith alive 'til love is found
Now ask yourself

Where is the love?
Where is the love?
Where is the love?
Where is the love?

Father, Father, Father, help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me questionin'
Where is the love?

Sing with me y'all:
One world, one world (We only got)
One world, one world (That's all we got)
One world, one world
And something's wrong with it (Yeah)
Something's wrong with it (Yeah)
Something's wrong with the wo-wo-world, yeah
We only got
(One world, one world)
That's all we got
(One world, one world)

Re: Repurposing OnionDuke

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Dec 6, 2016 3:35 PM, "rooty"  wrote:
>
> use wisely my friends - the quieter you are the more you can here - hi hi
(*-*)  - mitmf  0.9.8

One of my friends always says it's pretty cute when I use emoji and little
giggles, but strangely creepy when you do it imitating my writing.

Now I think he's right, in special when you're sending strange links to the
list, brrr...  :-/

Repurposing OnionDuke

[rooty]

use wisely my friends - the quieter you are the more you can here - hi hi (*-*) 
- mitmf 0.9.8

http://tinyurl.com/jcpc4yk

Intro/Projects

[amen a nema]

> Ceessi:
> absolute truth

"And when people start to need lawyers and doctors, we have conclusive proof 
that the education system is worthless. Men in the courts before snoozing 
juries, trying to get remedies by legal trickery, is a proof positive that they 
don't have enough education to arrange their own lives properly. Just as 
disgraceful is going to the doctor, not with any real malady, but because 
they've filled their bodies with garbage, which the pompous medical profession 
manages to name as some new-fangled disease."

--
nan

Re: FYI: 10 Surprising Upsides To Colonialism

[Steven Schear]

Reminds me of the "What have the Roman's ever done for us?" skit in Monty
Python's "Life of Brian"
https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DExWfh6sGyso

Warrant Canary creator

On Dec 5, 2016 8:15 PM, "Razer"  wrote:

> I think I've found the worst article of 2016...
>
> Illustrated: https://listverse.com/2016/12/03/10-surprising-upsides-to-
> colonialism/
>
> "Colonialism gets a bad rep these days, often with good reason. You’d have
> to be a madman to look at King Leopold’s adventures in the Congo, for
> example, and conclude that the Belgians were awesome imperial overlords.
> Same deal with the slave-trading powers.
>
> But that’s not the whole story of colonialism. Move beyond the headline
> atrocities, and a more nuanced picture begins to emerge. Far from being a
> nonstop cavalcade of horrors, colonialism often resulted in some seriously
> awesome, surprising stuff.
>
>
> 10 Spreading Good Government
>
> Most of us kind of take democracy and functioning government for granted.
> But a largely democratic world was by no means inevitable. For most of
> human history, “government” meant a military dictator or crazy king telling
> you precisely where to live, what to wear, and when to die in battle for
> some pointless cause.
>
> So why does most of the world now at least pay lip service to democratic
> norms? For that, you can thank the European colonial powers. Wherever the
> British went, they instituted governments that looked like their own. That
> meant parliaments, an efficient civil service, and a basic package of
> democracy. The French, meanwhile, folded their conquered territories into
> France itself, promoting Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite.
>
> When decolonization finally rolled around, many of those democratic
> institutions remained in place.
>
>
> 9 Creating Modern Medicine
>
> For colonial powers, tropical diseases were a constant pain in the
> derriere. Asia, Africa, and South America were swimming in bugs that had a
> nasty tendency to kill colonists and subjects alike. That meant unnecessary
> expenditure, time and men lost, and a problem extracting that sweet, sweet
> natural wealth.
>
> The solution? Throw everything modern medicine had at the problem.
>
> Europe was at the vanguard of modern medicine in the 19th century. The
> British discovered the antimalarial properties of quinine, which is still
> our only effective antimalarial. The French became specialists in tropical
> medicine thanks to their North African holdings. Public health in general
> received a massive boost thanks to techniques learned in the chaos of the
> colonies.
>
> Even conquered natives benefited from this, in the form of hospitals and
> new treatments pioneered in Europe. It’s no stretch to say modern medicine
> is a by-product of imperialism.
>
>
> 8 Economic Booms
>
> Of course, colonialism isn’t something that exists only in that fairy tale
> land we call “the past.” Welcome to Africa, where the Chinese are engaging
> in a massive exercise in 21st-century colonialism. According to Zambian
> economist Dambisa Moyo, the resulting economic boom has been the best thing
> to happen to the continent in decades.
>
> Her data shows that this new colonialism has created jobs for millions of
> Africans and lifted many out of poverty. The boon from Chinese investment
> has massively benefited the poor in Africa and China alike.
>
> That’s not to say all colonial adventures improve people’s lives. Spanish
> dalliances in the New World memorably crashed Spain’s economy. But it does
> show that imperialism can be handled well, in a way that benefits the many
> rather than the few.
>
>
> 7 Global Languages
>
> Remember the story of the Tower of Babel? Humans were getting all uppity
> with their engineering prowess, so God scrambled their languages so they
> could no longer cooperate. Well, colonialism was sort of like that in
> reverse. From hundreds of thousands of different tongues, the age of
> empires whittled humanity down to just a handful of big ones.
>
> Seriously. There are currently 106 countries where English is spoken, many
> of them former colonies. Spanish is spoken in 31, modern standard Arabic in
> 58, and French in 53. Taken together, pretty much the entire world speaks
> at least a smattering of English, Spanish, Arabic, French, Russian, or
> Mandarin—all languages associated with imperial nations. And that has
> massive advantages.
>
> The ability to communicate breaks down barriers to trade and
> understanding. It allows wildly different countries to find common ground.
> While it’s not a prerequisite, it’s certainly helpful in uniting people.
>
>
> 6 The Creation Of Modern Art
>
> Who likes Picasso? What about Art Deco architecture? Or modern sculpture?
> We’re betting that at least half of you said yes to one of those. In that
> case, you should probably be thankful for French and British colonization
> of Africa. It was the display of African tribal art in Paris and London at
> the dawn of the 20th ce

Re: Intro/Projects

[John Newman]

If you have a keybase account, you can access something similar with kbfs. 
Although the idea behind it is data signing, not encryption Actually, I 
think it's mostly useless at the moment, but could turn into something cool.


John

On December 6, 2016 10:07:22 AM EST, Razer  wrote:
>
>
>On 12/05/2016 11:53 PM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 01:43:21AM -0500, Charles Fox wrote:
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> I'm new to the list and to encryption generally. I don't consider
>myself a good programmer but I needed to learn a little about gpg for
>work and I'm increasingly curious about it. I had two ideas for things
>I could build but I want to know if they've already been done/whether
>they're bad ideas:
>>>
>>> 1) Cloud storage.
>>> I think it would be relatively easy to write a program where any
>file I save in folder X automatically gets encrypted and saved to
>folder Y Box/Dropbox/etc. Any new files saved in Y which my key can
>open get opened and put in folder X. Since the private key password
>would be saved for this to work automatically, it would be worthless if
>someone got on my machine, but if one of the cloud providers gets
>compromised, all they would have is a collection of encrypted files.
>>>
>> AFAIK there are many solutions for this on decent OSes, don't know if
>> any uses exactly gpg.
>>
>> Probably it is significantly easier to encrypt at file system level,
>not
>> at individual files.
>>
>> Search the web for "encrypted filesystem cloud" (without the quotes),
>> there are many results and tutorials.
>
>I believe mega.co.nz does this when you upload using their application
>or browser extension. The encryption is done on your computer before
>upload, and is stored onsite encrypted.
>
>Rr

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: FYI: 10 Surprising Upsides To Colonialism

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 07:02:09AM -0800, Razer wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/06/2016 03:28 AM, John Newman wrote:
> > I think you're right. "creation of modern tourism" wtf?  SAVED
> > millions of lives? which lives?
> >
> > Yeah, despicable shit. Surprised Zen didn't post it. It fits his white
> > European dominance narrative perfectly.
> >
> > -- 
> > John
> 
> Definitely 'history written by the victors, for the victors'
> 
> Rr

Comprehending someone's actual views and hopes takes more than
blunt mis-statement. Flippancy halts not failure.

Re: Intro/Projects

[Razer]

On 12/06/2016 03:30 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>
> Otherwise, you will see a lot of strange and polemic political
> positions here.  This list is almost a "Political Kama Sutra", with
> hundreds of different positions and some of them are pretty 'curious'
> or terribly bizarre, haha!!  ;)
>

Real world politics is complicated. Some people think I'm a
'jewkristiancommie' (Juan). Some think I'm a conservative. Some think
I'm a wild-eyed bomb-throwing anarchist black blockhead... Actually, I'm
all those things. It you have some 'party line' you're probably not
worth having a convo with. Indoctrinated people are boring.

Classic example. Here's someone I knew in the 60s who went down with Sam
Melville and it's said Melvill died in his arms at Attica. A Navy
Hardhat diver wh ran the Committee to support the National Liberation
Front, and one of Abbie Hoffman's closest friends. Written by a mutual
friend.


"October 17, 2010:
In early February 2009, I was skimming the Drudge Report and came across
a headline that went something like this: Protester Throws Shoes at
Mayor of Ithaca, New York. I immediately knew the shoe-thrower was my
friend Robin Palmer. Robin died this August at age 80. He was a born
rebel and lived in that skin all his life. He was never without a cause.
Usually multiple causes. Which sometimes seemed wildly contradictory.

Robin ran with the radical left Weathermen in the late 1960's and early
'70s. He spent several years in Attica prison for trying to bomb a New
York City bank. By this millennium he was sort-of right wing. Why
“sort-of”? Robin never regretted his terrorist actions or ceased
believing the U.S. was a villain in Vietnam. He referred to Ho Chi Minh
as “the George Washington of his people” and felt warmly toward his old
Weather-friends, Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. When candidate Barack
Obama's relationship with Ayers in Chicago became a hot topic during the
2008 presidential race, Robin wrote missives to local newspapers lauding
Ayers and defending the Weatherman bombings. When election day rolled
around Robin didn't vote for Obama or McCain-- he wrote in Bill Ayers.

Flip side: Robin disagreed vehemently with the standard left positions
on Cuba and the Mid-East. When Robin denounced Fidel Castro at
gatherings of old New Leftists, he was struck from the rad honor roll.
(Attica only counted for so much.) His opinions on the Mid-East were
equally heretical. Robin was always strongly pro-Israel. Not gung-ho for
the PLO. By this millennium he stood 100 percent behind President Bush
and the war in Iraq. The shoe hurling incident sprang from that support.
The City of Ithaca had passed a resolution condemning the war. By
tossing his shoes at the mayor, Robin was tearing a page from the book
of Iraqi protesters who did likewise to Bush. Turning it upside down in
the process.

That's so Robin.

I first met Robin in New York City in the Spring of 1968..."

More 60s radical history >
http://www.qtng.dreamhosters.com//deep_qt/deepqt_robin.html


> It's The Cypherpunk's Manifesto: 
> 
>
> "We cannot expect governments, corporations, or other large, faceless
> organizations to grant us privacy out of their beneficence."
>
> > > please forgive me.
> >
> > Only Jebus can forgive you
>
> There is absolutely nothing to be forgiven, Charles.  You have your
> personal convictions and you don't need to be an anarchist or the best
> mega-hyper-wow-master of cryptography to deserve our respect. 
>
> There is no absolute truth or knowledge in the world.  :)
>

Re: Intro/Projects

[Razer]

On 12/05/2016 11:17 PM, in re oshwm:
>
>
> obviously elle-twat wants to derail your sensible questions.
>
>

I trashcan all mail on this list from sigint. Problem solved.

Re: Intro/Projects

[Razer]

On 12/05/2016 11:53 PM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 01:43:21AM -0500, Charles Fox wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm new to the list and to encryption generally. I don't consider myself a 
>> good programmer but I needed to learn a little about gpg for work and I'm 
>> increasingly curious about it. I had two ideas for things I could build but 
>> I want to know if they've already been done/whether they're bad ideas:
>>
>> 1) Cloud storage.
>> I think it would be relatively easy to write a program where any file I save 
>> in folder X automatically gets encrypted and saved to folder Y 
>> Box/Dropbox/etc. Any new files saved in Y which my key can open get opened 
>> and put in folder X. Since the private key password would be saved for this 
>> to work automatically, it would be worthless if someone got on my machine, 
>> but if one of the cloud providers gets compromised, all they would have is a 
>> collection of encrypted files.
>>
> AFAIK there are many solutions for this on decent OSes, don't know if
> any uses exactly gpg.
>
> Probably it is significantly easier to encrypt at file system level, not
> at individual files.
>
> Search the web for "encrypted filesystem cloud" (without the quotes),
> there are many results and tutorials.

I believe mega.co.nz does this when you upload using their application
or browser extension. The encryption is done on your computer before
upload, and is stored onsite encrypted.

Rr

Re: FYI: 10 Surprising Upsides To Colonialism

[Razer]

On 12/06/2016 03:28 AM, John Newman wrote:
> I think you're right. "creation of modern tourism" wtf?  SAVED
> millions of lives? which lives?
>
> Yeah, despicable shit. Surprised Zen didn't post it. It fits his white
> European dominance narrative perfectly.
>
> -- 
> John

Definitely 'history written by the victors, for the victors'

Rr

>
> On Dec 5, 2016, at 11:15 PM, Razer  > wrote:
>
>> I think I've found the worst article of 2016...
>>
>> Illustrated:
>> https://listverse.com/2016/12/03/10-surprising-upsides-to-colonialism/
>>
>> "Colonialism gets a bad rep these days, often with good reason. You’d
>> have to be a madman to look at King Leopold’s adventures in the
>> Congo, for example, and conclude that the Belgians were awesome
>> imperial overlords. Same deal with the slave-trading powers.
>>
>> But that’s not the whole story of colonialism. Move beyond the
>> headline atrocities, and a more nuanced picture begins to emerge. Far
>> from being a nonstop cavalcade of horrors, colonialism often resulted
>> in some seriously awesome, surprising stuff.
>>
>>
>> 10 Spreading Good Government
>>
>> Most of us kind of take democracy and functioning government for
>> granted. But a largely democratic world was by no means inevitable.
>> For most of human history, “government” meant a military dictator or
>> crazy king telling you precisely where to live, what to wear, and
>> when to die in battle for some pointless cause.
>>
>> So why does most of the world now at least pay lip service to
>> democratic norms? For that, you can thank the European colonial
>> powers. Wherever the British went, they instituted governments that
>> looked like their own. That meant parliaments, an efficient civil
>> service, and a basic package of democracy. The French, meanwhile,
>> folded their conquered territories into France itself, promoting
>> Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite.
>>
>> When decolonization finally rolled around, many of those democratic
>> institutions remained in place.
>>
>>
>> 9 Creating Modern Medicine
>>
>> For colonial powers, tropical diseases were a constant pain in the
>> derriere. Asia, Africa, and South America were swimming in bugs that
>> had a nasty tendency to kill colonists and subjects alike. That meant
>> unnecessary expenditure, time and men lost, and a problem extracting
>> that sweet, sweet natural wealth.
>>
>> The solution? Throw everything modern medicine had at the problem.
>>
>> Europe was at the vanguard of modern medicine in the 19th century.
>> The British discovered the antimalarial properties of quinine, which
>> is still our only effective antimalarial. The French became
>> specialists in tropical medicine thanks to their North African
>> holdings. Public health in general received a massive boost thanks to
>> techniques learned in the chaos of the colonies.
>>
>> Even conquered natives benefited from this, in the form of hospitals
>> and new treatments pioneered in Europe. It’s no stretch to say modern
>> medicine is a by-product of imperialism.
>>
>>
>> 8 Economic Booms
>>
>> Of course, colonialism isn’t something that exists only in that fairy
>> tale land we call “the past.” Welcome to Africa, where the Chinese
>> are engaging in a massive exercise in 21st-century colonialism.
>> According to Zambian economist Dambisa Moyo, the resulting economic
>> boom has been the best thing to happen to the continent in decades.
>>
>> Her data shows that this new colonialism has created jobs for
>> millions of Africans and lifted many out of poverty. The boon from
>> Chinese investment has massively benefited the poor in Africa and
>> China alike.
>>
>> That’s not to say all colonial adventures improve people’s lives.
>> Spanish dalliances in the New World memorably crashed Spain’s
>> economy. But it does show that imperialism can be handled well, in a
>> way that benefits the many rather than the few.
>>
>>
>> 7 Global Languages
>>
>> Remember the story of the Tower of Babel? Humans were getting all
>> uppity with their engineering prowess, so God scrambled their
>> languages so they could no longer cooperate. Well, colonialism was
>> sort of like that in reverse. From hundreds of thousands of different
>> tongues, the age of empires whittled humanity down to just a handful
>> of big ones.
>>
>> Seriously. There are currently 106 countries where English is spoken,
>> many of them former colonies. Spanish is spoken in 31, modern
>> standard Arabic in 58, and French in 53. Taken together, pretty much
>> the entire world speaks at least a smattering of English, Spanish,
>> Arabic, French, Russian, or Mandarin—all languages associated with
>> imperial nations. And that has massive advantages.
>>
>> The ability to communicate breaks down barriers to trade and
>> understanding. It allows wildly different countries to find common
>> ground. While it’s not a prerequisite, it’s certainly helpful in
>> uniting people.
>>
>>
>> 6 The Creation Of Modern Art
>>
>> Who likes 

Re: Intro/Projects

[oshwm]

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On 6 December 2016 14:43:09 GMT, Charles Fox  wrote:
>I agree Windows would be the weak link, but I think it is easier to
>persuade someone to install an add-in than to learn Linux.
>
>
>
>
>Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.
>
>
> Original Message 
>Subject: Re: Intro/Projects
>Local Time: December 5, 2016 11:17 PM
>UTC Time: December 6, 2016 7:17 AM
>From: os...@openmailbox.org
>To: Elle Phent ,
>cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org
>
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>On 6 December 2016 07:08:44 GMT, Elle Phent 
>wrote:
>>> Charles Fox:
>>> I'm not an anarchist
>>
>>This isn't anarchist list
>>
>>This is christian conservitive pro-russian list
>>
>>> please forgive me.
>>
>>Only Jebus can forgive you
>
>I must be on the wrong list then, i am not Christian, conservative or
>pro any nation :D
>
>obviously elle-twat wants to derail your sensible questions.
>
>If your encryption is sufficiently strong (ppl seem happy with AES256,
>any better suggestions) and your random number generator wasn't
>designed or influenced by the NSA then you're likely to keep your
>information private.
>
>Note that you will then become the weak link and if the information is
>sufficiently important then it will get painful :)
>
>In terms of a Windows (you said Outlook) based remailer then I'd see
>Windows as the weak link, especially if its v7/8 or 10.
>
>Cheers.
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But you're happy to convince them to install python as well as the stuff you've 
created for them? :)
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Re: Intro/Projects

[Charles Fox]

I agree Windows would be the weak link, but I think it is easier to persuade 
someone to install an add-in than to learn Linux.




Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Intro/Projects
Local Time: December 5, 2016 11:17 PM
UTC Time: December 6, 2016 7:17 AM
From: os...@openmailbox.org
To: Elle Phent , cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org

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On 6 December 2016 07:08:44 GMT, Elle Phent  wrote:
>> Charles Fox:
>> I'm not an anarchist
>
>This isn't anarchist list
>
>This is christian conservitive pro-russian list
>
>> please forgive me.
>
>Only Jebus can forgive you

I must be on the wrong list then, i am not Christian, conservative or pro any 
nation :D

obviously elle-twat wants to derail your sensible questions.

If your encryption is sufficiently strong (ppl seem happy with AES256, any 
better suggestions) and your random number generator wasn't designed or 
influenced by the NSA then you're likely to keep your information private.

Note that you will then become the weak link and if the information is 
sufficiently important then it will get painful :)

In terms of a Windows (you said Outlook) based remailer then I'd see Windows as 
the weak link, especially if its v7/8 or 10.

Cheers.
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Re: USA Universities learn the consequences of disrespecting free speech

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Dec 6, 2016 1:25 AM, "rooty"  wrote:
>
> She illegal tor bot

Marina is a great woman, pretty brave and generous, who makes wonderful
volunteer works in her community.  She is NOT an "illegal tor bot".
Respect her, rooty.

Re: USA Universities learn the consequences of disrespecting free speech

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Dec 6, 2016 1:29 AM, "Mirimir"  wrote:
>
> It's funny. I didn't see her post :( She must have quoted one of the
trolls. So that's the downside of filtering on both sender and body.

Well, for now, I am sending directly to the trash Zzz messages and Juan's
to the spam box because I still like him a bit.  You know, I never was a
smart girl, haha!  ;)

Hey, do you want to laugh, Mirimir?  Someone was telling me that Zzz is
making a huge drama about "Assange's possible death" to get some
attention.  Should I tell him that Assange is alive, but insignificant fake
activists were not informed about it?  :)

I almost searched his message in my trash to laugh a bit, but...  ah, you
know, I am terribly lazy.  It's a bit 'cruel', but this old Japanese saying
is true for some persons: "baka wa shinanakya naoranai".  :P

> Well hey, I'm glad that neither you nor Marina have left :)

Marina, Cari, stef, Jelena, Eden and several other names that unhappily I
don't remember by memory now...  We have great women here, my dear!  <3

> I get that. I finally got fed up with all the crap. But still, I totally
oppose moderation. Back in the day, with slow dialup modems, it was
important to avoid downloading unwanted messages. Now that's not an issue.
So each of us can filter out whatever we don't want to see.

I strongly hate moderation, my dear, but I recognize its importance in very
extreme situations.  I do love the fact we don't have moderation here and I
love my filters with my whole heart.  Love, love, love!  <3

Re: Intro/Projects

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Dec 6, 2016 4:09 AM, "Elle Phent"  wrote:
>
> > Charles Fox:
> > I'm not an anarchist
>
> This isn't anarchist list
>
> This is christian conservitive pro-russian list

I am not a "Christian Conservative Pro-Russia" person.  Charles can be
exactly who he wants to be and he is and always will be completely free to
make part of this list, little troll.

Charles, we have members with all kinds of personal and political
convictions.  I like to say it is an "anarchist list" because usually
cypherpunks want deep social and political changes, with no interference of
governments.

Otherwise, you will see a lot of strange and polemic political positions
here.  This list is almost a "Political Kama Sutra", with hundreds of
different positions and some of them are pretty 'curious' or terribly
bizarre, haha!!  ;)

It's The Cypherpunk's Manifesto:  <
http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/manifesto.html>

"We cannot expect governments, corporations, or other large, faceless
organizations to grant us privacy out of their beneficence."

> > please forgive me.
>
> Only Jebus can forgive you

There is absolutely nothing to be forgiven, Charles.  You have your
personal convictions and you don't need to be an anarchist or the best
mega-hyper-wow-master of cryptography to deserve our respect.

There is no absolute truth or knowledge in the world.  :)

Re: FYI: 10 Surprising Upsides To Colonialism

[John Newman]

I think you're right. "creation of modern tourism" wtf?  SAVED millions of 
lives? which lives?

Yeah, despicable shit. Surprised Zen didn't post it. It fits his white European 
dominance narrative perfectly.

--
John

> On Dec 5, 2016, at 11:15 PM, Razer  wrote:
> 
> I think I've found the worst article of 2016...
> 
> Illustrated: 
> https://listverse.com/2016/12/03/10-surprising-upsides-to-colonialism/
> 
> "Colonialism gets a bad rep these days, often with good reason. You’d have to 
> be a madman to look at King Leopold’s adventures in the Congo, for example, 
> and conclude that the Belgians were awesome imperial overlords. Same deal 
> with the slave-trading powers.
> 
> But that’s not the whole story of colonialism. Move beyond the headline 
> atrocities, and a more nuanced picture begins to emerge. Far from being a 
> nonstop cavalcade of horrors, colonialism often resulted in some seriously 
> awesome, surprising stuff.
> 
> 
> 10 Spreading Good Government
> 
> Most of us kind of take democracy and functioning government for granted. But 
> a largely democratic world was by no means inevitable. For most of human 
> history, “government” meant a military dictator or crazy king telling you 
> precisely where to live, what to wear, and when to die in battle for some 
> pointless cause.
> 
> So why does most of the world now at least pay lip service to democratic 
> norms? For that, you can thank the European colonial powers. Wherever the 
> British went, they instituted governments that looked like their own. That 
> meant parliaments, an efficient civil service, and a basic package of 
> democracy. The French, meanwhile, folded their conquered territories into 
> France itself, promoting Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite.
> 
> When decolonization finally rolled around, many of those democratic 
> institutions remained in place.
> 
> 
> 9 Creating Modern Medicine
> 
> For colonial powers, tropical diseases were a constant pain in the derriere. 
> Asia, Africa, and South America were swimming in bugs that had a nasty 
> tendency to kill colonists and subjects alike. That meant unnecessary 
> expenditure, time and men lost, and a problem extracting that sweet, sweet 
> natural wealth.
> 
> The solution? Throw everything modern medicine had at the problem.
> 
> Europe was at the vanguard of modern medicine in the 19th century. The 
> British discovered the antimalarial properties of quinine, which is still our 
> only effective antimalarial. The French became specialists in tropical 
> medicine thanks to their North African holdings. Public health in general 
> received a massive boost thanks to techniques learned in the chaos of the 
> colonies.
> 
> Even conquered natives benefited from this, in the form of hospitals and new 
> treatments pioneered in Europe. It’s no stretch to say modern medicine is a 
> by-product of imperialism.
> 
> 
> 8 Economic Booms
> 
> Of course, colonialism isn’t something that exists only in that fairy tale 
> land we call “the past.” Welcome to Africa, where the Chinese are engaging in 
> a massive exercise in 21st-century colonialism. According to Zambian 
> economist Dambisa Moyo, the resulting economic boom has been the best thing 
> to happen to the continent in decades.
> 
> Her data shows that this new colonialism has created jobs for millions of 
> Africans and lifted many out of poverty. The boon from Chinese investment has 
> massively benefited the poor in Africa and China alike.
> 
> That’s not to say all colonial adventures improve people’s lives. Spanish 
> dalliances in the New World memorably crashed Spain’s economy. But it does 
> show that imperialism can be handled well, in a way that benefits the many 
> rather than the few.
> 
> 
> 7 Global Languages
> 
> Remember the story of the Tower of Babel? Humans were getting all uppity with 
> their engineering prowess, so God scrambled their languages so they could no 
> longer cooperate. Well, colonialism was sort of like that in reverse. From 
> hundreds of thousands of different tongues, the age of empires whittled 
> humanity down to just a handful of big ones.
> 
> Seriously. There are currently 106 countries where English is spoken, many of 
> them former colonies. Spanish is spoken in 31, modern standard Arabic in 58, 
> and French in 53. Taken together, pretty much the entire world speaks at 
> least a smattering of English, Spanish, Arabic, French, Russian, or 
> Mandarin—all languages associated with imperial nations. And that has massive 
> advantages.
> 
> The ability to communicate breaks down barriers to trade and understanding. 
> It allows wildly different countries to find common ground. While it’s not a 
> prerequisite, it’s certainly helpful in uniting people.
> 
> 
> 6 The Creation Of Modern Art
> 
> Who likes Picasso? What about Art Deco architecture? Or modern sculpture? 
> We’re betting that at least half of you said yes to one of those. In that 
> case, you should probably be thankful for Fr

Re: US Dollar collapse strategy - MUST be in place

[Zenaan Harkness]

The Donald Trump administration needs to have a strategy in place
to handle what is coming with respect to the collapse of the USD house
of cards and the private Federal Reserve.

Without a plan, the terms of any new system will be set by the powers
that be, namely the private Federal Reserve.

In the American "democratic" system, the question arises is it possible
for an administration to bring in a national currency which is
controlled by the government, and is not controlled by private bankers.

We know JFK failed to achieve this. Perhaps JFK's problem was that he
tried to do this unilaterally, from a government administration point of
view, rather than with the power of the people - that is, by referendum,
and therefore with the mandate of the people to bind him.

Ego and pride comes before the fall, and it seems most leaders seek to
be the great hero, the Ulysses who plants the flag of freedom on the
hill, only to get shot just before raising that flag, as in JFK.


The time for the individual hero has gone.


It is time for collective empowerment on some level at the least by
referendum.


Good luck fellow humans,




- Forwarded message from Zenaan Harkness  -
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 19:10:43 +1100
From: Zenaan Harkness 
Subject: US Dollar collapse strategy - MUST be in place

Dear Team Trump,


The Trump administration needs to have a strategy to handle the looming
collapse of the US dollar, which the private Federal Reserve can bring
on at a time of THEIR choosing.


Good luck.


Regards,
Zenaan from Australia




http://www.jsmineset.com/2016/11/30/fake-news-list-death-knell-for-msm-paul-craig-roberts-usawatchdog-com/
Posted November 30th, 2016 at 12:18 PM (CST) by goyama & filed under
USAWatchdog.com.

Fake News List Death Knell for MSM-Paul Craig Roberts
November 30, 2016

The latest is called “Fake News List Death Knell for MSM-Paul Craig
Roberts.” Economic expert and journalist Dr. Paul Craig Roberts thinks
the recent publication of the so-called ‘fake news” list recently
published by the Washington Post signals a major turning point for all
of the mainstream media (MSM). Dr. Roberts explains, “I think this is
the death knell for the mainstream media. I think this list essentially
kills the credibility of the mainstream media and certainly the
Washington Post. It has demonstrated it is completely devoid of any
integrity. I am a former Wall Street Journal editor, and if we had done
something like that, Warren Phillips would have fired every one of us.
We would have been told to get out. You can’t carry on this kind of
assault on people. I think this is a sign of desperation.”

On why the markets haven’t crashed, Dr. Roberts, who was an Assistant
Treasury Secretary in the Reagan Administration, says, “The markets are
all rigged. So, when you try to look at the markets in traditional ways
such as price/earnings ratios, earnings growth, or sales growth or any
kinds of things like this, they don’t know anything because the Federal
Reserve has probably the largest trading desk in the world. They can
trade anything, in fact, everything, and they have no limits on their
pocketbook…In order for the Fed to protect the dollar, the dollar’s
exchange value from the massive outpouring of dollars that the Fed
created to buy all the bonds, they had to stop the dollar from falling
in relation to gold. So, they have to go in and sell massive amounts of
gold shorts in the futures markets. This is how they knock the gold
price down…Unless the world runs on the dollar or unless the rest of the
world abandons the dollar, I can’t see anything that would bring down
this house of cards. They can continue this because the Fed can create
all the money it wants. There is no limit.”

On the oligarchs trying to control Donald Trump with the threat of
crashing the economy, Dr. Roberts contends, “The easiest thing for the
oligarchs to do would be to orchestrate an economic crash, and they can
do this easily because it’s a house of cards held up by the Fed. If they
come to the conclusion that they can’t control him and he is actually a
threat to them, they’ll just crash the economy, and then they’ll go to
Trump and say hey look, you are blamed for this and on the defensive. If
you want to get out of this, you have to appoint us, and we’ll get you
out of this. That’s the sort of power that the oligarchs have over
Trump. I have said from the beginning that Trump has the sort of strong
will you have to have to bring change from the top down.”

On holding physical gold and silver, Dr. Roberts, who holds a PhD in
economics, says, “Anyone who has surplus funds should be holding gold
and silver because the dollar should be reduced already to the level of
toilet paper. The Federal Reserve’s balance sheet has exploded. It’s
grown so much. So, you have this massive increase in supply of money,
but not in goods and services. The reason we are not experiencing
hyperinflation is not much of that money got into the economy. It went