Re: [Crypto-practicum] Open-source cooperative security using low-cost HSMs?

2016-12-30 Thread grarpamp 
On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 10:36 PM, Bill Cox  wrote:
> One problem is shills.  IIUC, TOR has a problem where an attacker can create
> a ton of nodes that collude.
> TOR could be > 50% shills and we would not know.  Is this something that could
> be implemented effectively with the dreaded web of trust?

Yes. It has been repeatedly brought up among tor that relay
operators, being globally spread and relatively physically mobile for
the purpose of keysigning, can cross sign their node keys with gpg
keys, have their gpg keys signed in person under proof of relay
ownership as usual, dump the fingerprints into the consensus and sks,
then build relay selection algorithms that download and verify the wot
into user run tools that then build their circuits in the controller.
Users can elect to use variant levels of trust present in the wot,
anon / nym / context signing, ID signing, photo signing, multisig
assertions, etc. Beyond just the wot, all sorts of other external metrics,
even subscriptions to third party metrics services, could be applied
to such a relay selection process. 7000 relays, even at low 10% shill
and 1:1 would require 700 unique persons of the adversary that pass
the smell test of other operators and principals, that has real costs.
Or your allies just supply the number of validated nodes needed
to prevent network saturation and users simply decline to route
anything but CNN and gerbil pr0n through the 700 unvalidated nodes.
Pretty simple really, needs nothing more than one structured
comment field in the consensus and some external tools, but
nobody has rolled it out or even developed concept further yet.

Fwd: confessions without relief

2016-12-30 Thread Cecilia Tanaka 
Wow,
​s​
ynchronicity works!  Received this message just right now and didn't watch
the talk yet, but it seems pretty provocative!  :D

​Wish you all good masturbation and/or sex​ and millions of orgasms!  <3

-  c.



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From: Morlock Elloi 
Date: Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 7:27 PM
Subject:  confessions without relief
To: nettim...@kein.org


An interesting talk today at 33c3 by Charleyne Biondi- parallels between
the modern day surveillance and 18th century crusades against masturbation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-Ae0qscmDk


>From the intro:

The High Priests of the Digital Age

The High Priests of the Digital Age Are Working Behind Your Back to Make
You Confess, and Repent.

Just as 18th century priests enforced total surveillance measures on
masturbators, the new priests of the digital age are listening to your
confessions and forcing you into puritanical repentance.

Who doesn’t have a relative, a friend, a colleague, who broke up because of
an iMessage showing up on the wrong device, fooled by the iCloud, by a
suspicious Facebook like, or a Pokemon caught in the wrong neighborhood?

I want to make the claim that a new system of surveillance, organized by
the new priests of our digital age, are slyly acting behind our back to
make us conform to a new form of puritan morality.

At the beginning of the 18th century, masturbation suddenly became a topic
of intense reflection. In the Enlightenment Encyclopedia it is described as
the new disease of a wounded conscience and a heinous sin. Surprisingly,
the Christian Church was not responsible. It had, until then, never
regarded masturbation as anything other than a marginal problem for adult
men (and especially monks).

The people responsible for making masturbation a sin were economists, who
worried about the consequences of masturbation for productivity in an
economy that depended on the endless desire for more. The condemnation of
masturbation spread, and in no time, doctors were making scientific claims
to prove the dangers of masturbation, while priests made it their new
obsession.

In the confessional, the sinners had to avow everything, not only their
reprehensible actions, but their reprehensible dreams, the languorous
images that crossed their consciousness, the birth of desire in their
troubled mind. The priests demanded to know it all, the most inner thoughts
of the masturbators. The sinner was meant to keep his own mind under
surveillance.

Today, we believe that we have overcome this obscure period. Masturbation
is widely accepted as a healthy sexual practice. But most importantly, our
liberal democracies strongly posit that public ethics should remain neutral
regarding sexuality, and that each one of us is free to have the sexuality
that we prefer, enjoy, and that no institution is authorized to morally
judge us for our sexual activities.

Yet, I want to make the claim that a new system of surveillance, organized
by the new priests of our digital age, are slyly acting behind our back to
make us conform to a new form of puritan morality. Just as the 18th century
priests did in their Churches, the high priests of the digital age listen
to our confessions, record them, and eventually make us repent.


The economic interests of having us behave morally are numerous: the best
customer is predictable, and who is more predictable than an obedient
child, or a pious wife or husband? From the pithy history of masturbation
to real life break-ups, I will demonstrate the dark connections between
digital surveillance, neoliberal economics and morality.

I am a researcher at Columbia University and Sciences Po Paris in political
philosophy. I am an expert of the Snowden case and digital surveillance.
This will be my first talk on masturbation.

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Re: Grugq: Tor No Panacea

2016-12-30 Thread Zenaan Harkness 
On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 08:07:20PM -0500, John Newman wrote:
> 
> > On Dec 30, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> > 
> >> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 08:20:02PM -0500, John Newman wrote:
> >> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 07:42:28PM -, The Cuckq wrote:
>  On Wed, Dec 28 2016 05:33:39
>  "juan"  wrote:
>  brain dead scumbags like "The Cuckq"
> >>> 
> >>> lol
> >>> 
> >>> Tor is for people[1] like you[2]
> >>> 
> >>> [1]: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/cuckoldry
> >>> [2]: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/you
> >> 
> >> Dude, you're a fucking moron. Taking the nick "cuck" and posting links
> >> to ED just kills anything you might have had to say. 
> >> 
> >> How did such a fucking moronic meme catch on? Probably because
> >> theres a bunch of fucking dipshit trump-loving losers out there who
> >> methinks doth protest too much about "niggers fucking their wives".
> >> Freudian fantasy slip?
> >> John 
> > 
> > I guess, with such diplorum and subtlety, you must be referring to, in
> > your case, your frustating experiences watching not your wife, but your
> > boyfriend when you came home early unannounced 14 years ago?
> > 
> > Don't worry mate, you'll get over it one day ... perhaps when you're 88
> > and stuck in a rocking chair.
> 
> Naturally the biggest bag of shit on the list comes in to defend the term 
> cuck :)

No "term" needs defending - either it's useful or not.

Your choice words on the other hand are fit for the New York Times.

Nice to see you didn't get triggered by my response, and didn't divert
the point either. Might be labelled a shill otherwise ...

Re: Grugq: Tor No Panacea

2016-12-30 Thread John Newman 

> On Dec 30, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 08:20:02PM -0500, John Newman wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 07:42:28PM -, The Cuckq wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 28 2016 05:33:39
 "juan"  wrote:
 brain dead scumbags like "The Cuckq"
>>> 
>>> lol
>>> 
>>> Tor is for people[1] like you[2]
>>> 
>>> [1]: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/cuckoldry
>>> [2]: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/you
>> 
>> Dude, you're a fucking moron. Taking the nick "cuck" and posting links
>> to ED just kills anything you might have had to say. 
>> 
>> How did such a fucking moronic meme catch on? Probably because
>> theres a bunch of fucking dipshit trump-loving losers out there who
>> methinks doth protest too much about "niggers fucking their wives".
>> Freudian fantasy slip?
>> John 
> 
> I guess, with such diplorum and subtlety, you must be referring to, in
> your case, your frustating experiences watching not your wife, but your
> boyfriend when you came home early unannounced 14 years ago?
> 
> Don't worry mate, you'll get over it one day ... perhaps when you're 88
> and stuck in a rocking chair.

Naturally the biggest bag of shit on the list comes in to defend the term cuck 
:)

Your little fantasy is sweet. I hope you didn't get spunk on the keyboard while 
typing it out one handed.

Re: Major fuckups in the year of 2016?

2016-12-30 Thread Cecilia Tanaka 
On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 7:14 AM, John Newman  wrote:

>
> > On Dec 29, 2016, at 2:52 AM, juan  wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:35:45 +0200
> > Georgi Guninski  wrote:
> >
> >> What are some major fuckups in the year of 2016?
> >
> >tens of millions of children were born - that's a major fuckup
> >and the source of all other fuck ups.
> >
>
> But abortion and birth control are a crime against god and the US of
> A(ssholes)..
>
> I commit genocide in a sock once a day or so.
>

​
Mottainai, John!  :(

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mottainai

You can use it in several ways.  Some suggestions:

http://cookingwithcum.com

http://www.medicaldaily.com/extraordinary-things-you-can-do-sperm-242190

No, I swear I never cooked it, used it as facial moisturizer or used it to
write invisible letters, haha!!  ;D

Being sincere, I never understand why North-Americans are so creative when
commiting this kind of genocide...  Socks, pies, fishes  (this one scared
me!  is this option a 'smell thing'? haha!!),  watermelons, corpses, etc,
etc...  :-/

Re: Major fuckups in the year of 2016?

2016-12-30 Thread Cecilia Tanaka 
On Dec 30, 2016 8:34 PM, "Razer"  wrote:

> Because historic perspective, like black lives, matters.

All Lives Matter

...until you multiply them by the speed of light squared.  Then all lives
energy!  :)

Re: Major fuckups in the year of 2016?

2016-12-30 Thread jim bell 


 From: Razer 

 
 On 12/29/2016 01:16 PM, jim bell wrote:
  
>>You are trying to mislead by using this article.  It doesn't even explain 
>>from where the lead comes.  
 
>Maybe they don't KNOW where the lead comes from. Does that mean it isn't 
>newsworthy?
You are trying to connect this lead with wafer fabs.  That is the misleading 
part.  
Lead in drinking water is potentially a problem, but often it doesn't come from 
the actual source of the water.  Until relatively recently, plumbers used 
lead/tin solder to connect pipes.   According to   
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_(fluid_conveyance)#Materials   " In the US 
it's estimated that 6.5 million lead pipes installed before the 1930s are still 
in use."×   

 'Soft water' (water without a lot of mineral content) tends to be corrosive to 
such joints.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumbosolvency     
One example of incompetents dealing with the problem of lead in water is:  
http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2016/07/lead_in_portland_school_water.html
     Don't forget that Oregon, and especially Portland, is famously liberal.
        Jim Bell
From:    http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/04/us/flint-water-crisis-fast-facts/     ×  
 

"According to a class-action lawsuit, the state Department of Environmental 
Quality was not treating the Flint River water with an anti-corrosive agent, in 
violation of federal law. The river water was found to be 19 times more 
corrosive than water from Detroit, which was from Lake Huron, according to a 
study by Virginia Tech.""Since the water wasn't properly treated, lead from 
aging service lines to homes began leaching into the Flint water supply after 
the city tapped into the Flint River as its main water source."

×   
 
×

Re: Grugq: Tor No Panacea

2016-12-30 Thread juan 
On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 20:15:54 -
"The Cuckq"  wrote:


hey, what does a scumbag like you do here, apart from trolling?

Russian Haxors Penetrate US

2016-12-30 Thread /fubr/ 
lol this report -

IZZLY STEPPE – Russian Malicious Cyber Activity
December 29, 2016

https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296A_GRIZZLY%20STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf

Re: Grugq: Tor No Panacea

2016-12-30 Thread juan 
On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 19:13:24 -
"The Cuckq"  wrote:

> > On Fri, Dec 30 2016 10:37:02
> > "juan" >juan.g71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > broken link
> 
> Here are your fixed links lol:
> 
> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Asperger's_Syndrome
> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/You
> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Cucks
> 
> They are broken by auto case change and cloudflamer



Thanks "The Cuckq" - You just made my point again, for the
third time. 

Your "https://encyclopediadramatica.se; link is broken. Just as
broken as you are. 

So let me spell it out for you, you world champion of fucking
retards : in my previous message and in this one I don't
*literally* mean that the links are broken. It is a "poetic
license". Look up what that means in 4-chan.

Browsers Gone Wild

2016-12-30 Thread The Cuckq 
> On Fri, Dec 30 2016 10:37:02
> "juan" >juan.g71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> broken link

lol

And for those clicking instead of retyping links:

https://www.blackhat.com/docs/asia-15/materials/asia-15-Prado-Browsers-Gone-Wild.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsjCQlEsgW8=20=PLH15HpR5qRsVol8qseSSVe4XrtHcZO47E

Grugq: Tor No Panacea

2016-12-30 Thread The Cuckq 
> On Fri, Dec 30 2016 10:37:02
> "juan" >juan.g71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> broken link

Here are your fixed links lol:

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Asperger's_Syndrome
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/You
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Cucks

They are broken by auto case change and cloudflamer

Major fuckups in Tech?

2016-12-30 Thread booty 
> jim bell:

> That sounds like nonsense to me.

"The sausage-shaped ingots were then shaved into thin wafers, and polished 
using a number of chemicals. After that came the process of printing 
transistors into the chips–which required degreasers and solvents, including 
the sweet-smelling trichloroethylene (TCE)"

https://gizmodo.com/the-secret-history-of-silicon-valley-and-the-toxic-remn-174365
[](http://baykeeper.org/articles/baykeepers-legal-action-clean-industrial-runoff-pollution)http://www.ozy.com/acumen/think-chinas-pollution-is-bad-try-northern-california/71553
http://baykeeper.org/articles/baykeepers-legal-action-clean-industrial-runoff-pollution

Re: Grizzlies, Govt's and Tor

2016-12-30 Thread juan 
On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 13:18:23 -0500
grarpamp  wrote:

> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/29/fbi-dhs-russian-hacking-report

The nice thing about computers and software is that they
provide hard, scientific evidence that can't be tampered with.
Thankfully those systems do not allow endless manipulation of
virtual bits so The Authorities can't use them to create
propaganda.

Grugq: Tor No Panacea

2016-12-30 Thread The Cuckq 
> On Wed, Dec 28 2016 14:49:04
> "juan"  indented:
> that's where people like me [1] get their
> 'science' eh.

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Science

Precisely

You might learn a lot about yourself, and others

[1]: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Asperger's_Syndrome

Grugq: Tor No Panacea

2016-12-30 Thread The Cuckq 
> On Wed, Dec 28 2016 17:20:02
> "John Newman"  wrote:
> "cuck"

It's 'The Cuckq' to you, fam

> How did such a fucking moronic meme catch on?

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Meme

Read up sonny, you might learn[1] something

> trump-loving losers

Like you?

Isn't that why your beloved DNC got "Hakced"?

lol

[1]: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Learn_the_difference

Re: Sweden Joins NWO

2016-12-30 Thread Razer 
On 12/29/2016 08:53 PM, grarpamp wrote:

> http://theindicter.com/how-sweden-bribed-its-way-to-a-seat-in-the-un-security-council-using-millions-taken-from-the-public-budget-for-aid-to-poor-countries/

Most nations calling themselves "Socialist" are really variations on
National(ist) Socialism... AKA Fascism. Sweden being a glaring example
of that tendency. They also tend to move to the right when economic
times are hard, as seen recently in Norway as their petro-economy flounders.

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2015/06/25/erna-takes-norway-firmly-to-the-right/

https://www.opendemocracy.net/magnus-nome/norwegian-shift-to-right-10-short-lessons-on-progress-party
>
> "First and foremost, all socialists are unequivocal anti-militarists
> and anti-imperialists. They understand that there is no genuine
> social, political, economic or cultural reform as long as the
> militarists and their corporatist allies in the war industry continue
> to loot and pillage the state budget."  ~Chris Hedges
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42917.htm

Rr