Re: #OpenFabs Ground Up Rebuild [re: secure computer]

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 01:41:34AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Steven Schear  
> wrote:
> > Jim Bell and I commented some time ago on this dilemma. One obvious solution
> > is "table top" manufacture of VLSI.
> >
> > As crazy as it sounds, for at least prototyping and small (CPunk) PoC
> > projects, its possible to fab a wide variety of chips, with impressive
> > feature sizes, implantation, doping, etc. using Electron Beam Lithography.
> > EBL is basically operating an electron microscope in reverse. Because it
> > uses electrons to illuminate the substrate vs. photons it doesn't require
> > any litho masks. The beams can directly write to the surfaces and with the
> > appropriate techniques expose chemicals that create the "resists" of typical
> > litho methods. Best of all, electron beams can be brought to a sharper focus
> > than even deep UV meaning small feature size capabilities.
> >
> > The main reason EBL is only a tech oddity is its inability to be used for
> > volume manufacture. Maybe someone in this field will do an ICO. EBL can
> > potentially be operated by a much smaller staff (maybe a competent enough
> > individual) than even the smallest conventional fab. With at least small
> > scale manufacture and some careful design attention I think the list price
> > on a rig could be < $100k USD.
> 
> 
> If this solution uses today's computers to drive the beam, since
> those computers cannot be trusted, and you can't see the beam
> or resultant features, and you can't exhaustively inspect and test
> each chip produced, then the entire output can't be trusted either
> and the solution is rubbish. Shit can only beget shit, see:
> Reflections on Trusting Trust by Ken Thompson
> and the old Trusted Computing Rainbow Series.

I disagree - within certain limits (which could be analysed and
determined to within certain scales/ % deltas), we can have certainty
about production.

For example, create a very simple circuit. Begin with say an existing
untrusted computer with a pristine Debian install,
Internet-disconnected and in a sound-, emf-, light-, and vibration-
isolated room connected to the EBL kit.

Now produce some small yet simple circuit - a few thousand gates or
some such. Small enough you can personally verify.

Chain these up to create a parallel "chip thing".

Test this parallel chip thing wherever.

Rinse and repeat until you have a CPU, memory and disk controllers,
then build your very basic computer from that.

It might take a few cycles and a decade or more, but a level of
assurance could be achieved, starting from where we are.


Point is, it seems inconceivable that say an Intel chip "off the
shelf" would have some EBL-backdooring code built in which is
competent enough to specifically, correctly, and usefully, backdoor
your EBL gate/chip design.

I simply don't believe that's possible.


In this realm of the physical, we can work with the known physical
limits (physically im/possibilities) to achieve an "assured" physical
output product, I believe.


> Today you have ZERO idea exactly what's in the latest from
> Intel / AMD / Qualcomm / etc. Only an implied guesstimate
> that including many exploits for specific targets limits applications
> and result scope, and costlier to die area, than a global set of
> magic packet 0wnership... which happens to suck even more
> because its then adaptable to exploit you.
> 
> I suggest that building an OpenFab capable of producing a
> much higher than zero, higher than even implied guesstimates,
> level of explicit trust is now within both reach and need of those
> interested in its value. Certainly the problem space is better
> understood such that a framework can begin to be designed.

Ack - seems we actually agree.


> As before, you have to rebuild it all from scratch, under a
> new paradigm, before you'll ever be able to trust anything.

That's the bit where I have a disagreement - we can gain some
certainties from knowledge of physical limits/ im/possibilities,
and so no need to reject outright today's COTS components.

Re: Cryptocurrency: JPMorgan, Banking Heavy's Continued Dump and Pump

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 03:38:08PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6zt55o/jpmorgan_ceo_bitcoin_is_fraud_reuters_in_2013/
> The LOL's over this guy keep rolling in.

Animal farm and 1984 all over again:

 - "My fiat good! your fiat bad!"

 - "Some fiats are more equal than others."

 - "How dare you confront our private little multi-century fiat
   monopoly - it's OUR democratic governments and our currency, not
   yours!"

LOLs indeed :D



> Chaos isn't a pit, it's a ladder.

:)

Typically it's the Illuminaughties who create the (literal) chaos
(Iraq, Lybia, Syria, etc etc) and climb the ladder to their new world
"order from chaos".

Possibilities ...

corporate smokin' -- was Re: Godaddy survey answers (I stand corrected!)

[Zenaan Harkness]

Was In-Reply-To: 


On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 08:13:00PM -0700, Razer wrote:
> I stand corrected.

Humility is a good thing - and me pushing the bible of humility down
your Jewishy throat should certainly improve you on the humble front.
For sure...


> I conflated GoDaddy's rationale with Cloudflare's CEO
> statement:

OK, a quote - a purported fact no less - what a delicious thing :)

Finally we can cut to the chase:

> > Earlier today, Cloudflare terminated the account of the Daily Stormer.
> > We've stopped proxying their traffic and stopped answering DNS
> > requests for their sites. We've taken measures to ensure that they
> > cannot sign up for Cloudflare's services ever again.

... simple fact (as in, non-germane)


> > Our terms of service reserve the right for us to terminate users of
> > our network at our sole discretion.

... corporate justification for evil actions and disclaimer by said
corporate of any and all moral/ethical duty of care to the rest of
us, whilst claiming exercise of moral authority (aka, self parody at
its finest/saddest)


> > The tipping point for us making
> > this decision was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim
> > that we were secretly supporters of their ideology.

... fact-less assertion


> > Our team has been thorough and have had thoughtful discussions for
> > years about what the right policy was on censoring. Like a lot of

... internal self-justification (and "please believe we're good
peopl" virtue signalling)


> > people, we’ve felt angry at these hateful people for a long time

... more virtue signalling (gettin embarrasin)


> > but we have followed the law

... virtue signal pre-empting their implied "but now we say F*CK the
law! We now exercise our star chamber extra-judicial rights YO!" and
you, Razer (and others) say "but they're a corporation, so they're
allowed to be evil, so y'all just shut up about it now!"


> > and remained content neutral as a network. We
> > could not remain neutral after these claims

... "these claims" - the opinionated words you echoed as supposed
"fact" - notice how now claim, no reference, no fact no nothingk is
provided by CloudF-U's "public virtue signal justification w$nk"!


> > of secret support by
> > Cloudflare. 


Well well well, looky here - not a fact in sight.

Gee, I'm so surprised - I was just, like, you know, SO SURE Razer was
gonna put a fact - I can't believe it's just more drivel, I really
can't believe this coming from Razer...


  Why am I not surprised when a corporate overlord conducts their
  star chamber based on a public spewing of their nutty lefty
  fact-less opinions as their basis for extra-judicial star chamber
  evil, since there are not any facts to support an actual court
  case?!!!

  Antifa, USA-Corporation style!



> https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/
> 
> 
> ...and I stand by what I said on another thread about an overweening
> reason DNS's take an incredible risk hosting Sturmer crap:
...


First you vehemently smoked GoDaddy, now you smoke Cloudflare,
and finally repeat more of your rubbish non-facts (though I do
expect you to smoke yourself of course).

Re: #OpenFabs Ground Up Rebuild [re: secure computer]

[grarpamp]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Steven Schear  wrote:
> Jim Bell and I commented some time ago on this dilemma. One obvious solution
> is "table top" manufacture of VLSI.
>
> As crazy as it sounds, for at least prototyping and small (CPunk) PoC
> projects, its possible to fab a wide variety of chips, with impressive
> feature sizes, implantation, doping, etc. using Electron Beam Lithography.
> EBL is basically operating an electron microscope in reverse. Because it
> uses electrons to illuminate the substrate vs. photons it doesn't require
> any litho masks. The beams can directly write to the surfaces and with the
> appropriate techniques expose chemicals that create the "resists" of typical
> litho methods. Best of all, electron beams can be brought to a sharper focus
> than even deep UV meaning small feature size capabilities.
>
> The main reason EBL is only a tech oddity is its inability to be used for
> volume manufacture. Maybe someone in this field will do an ICO. EBL can
> potentially be operated by a much smaller staff (maybe a competent enough
> individual) than even the smallest conventional fab. With at least small
> scale manufacture and some careful design attention I think the list price
> on a rig could be < $100k USD.


If this solution uses today's computers to drive the beam, since
those computers cannot be trusted, and you can't see the beam
or resultant features, and you can't exhaustively inspect and test
each chip produced, then the entire output can't be trusted either
and the solution is rubbish. Shit can only beget shit, see:
Reflections on Trusting Trust by Ken Thompson
and the old Trusted Computing Rainbow Series.

Today you have ZERO idea exactly what's in the latest from
Intel / AMD / Qualcomm / etc. Only an implied guesstimate
that including many exploits for specific targets limits applications
and result scope, and costlier to die area, than a global set of
magic packet 0wnership... which happens to suck even more
because its then adaptable to exploit you.

I suggest that building an OpenFab capable of producing a
much higher than zero, higher than even implied guesstimates,
level of explicit trust is now within both reach and need of those
interested in its value. Certainly the problem space is better
understood such that a framework can begin to be designed.

As before, you have to rebuild it all from scratch, under a
new paradigm, before you'll ever be able to trust anything.

Re: NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 05:08:10PM -0700, Razer wrote:
> 
> 
> On 09/13/2017 12:07 PM, Marina Brown quoted Jim Bell:
> 
> > Sorry, but you are not even hundreds of miles away from being correct on
> > this.  To label DNS service, which is essentially monopoly, as
> > supporting "genocide" is about 3-4 leaps of logic, far too much to work.  
> > A few nuts spouting nonsense is far, very far, from "conspiracy to
> > commit genocide".  Merely providing necessary net services to them, just
> > as is done for thousands of sites, cannot possibly be described that
> > way. 
> 
> Cmon Jim! You know better! That wing ding at the beginning of the
> Persian Gulf Invasion? An Annapolis Ham Packet bbs that handled an
> anti-war message? Remember?
> 
> The first node IS responsible for content, barring federal
> intervention/regulation such as declaring a mode of operation or
> organization, a "Common Carrier". DNSes have NO SUCH IMMUNITY.

"Precedent" may possibly be on your side IDK.

But dude, how's it like shilling for Godaddy and extra-judicial
"justice"?

Of course I don't expect much else from you these days...

Re: Cryptocurrency: JPMorgan, Banking Heavy's Continued Dump and Pump

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 02:54:02PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:

> https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6zv7mw/the_currency_isnt_going_to_work_you_cant_have_a/
> "The currency isnt going to work. You cant have a business where
> people can invent a currency out of thin air and think that people
> who are buying it are really smart." U, little Jamie, come sit
> with me... I think we need to have a chat about the US Dollar

That's hysterical :D

JPM: "Fiats FTW!"

Re: Rubberhose Decrypt, 5th / 4th / Contempt Over Forgotten Passphrase / BrainWallet

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 03:04:19AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
> What of integration with a sort of warrant canary numbers station...
> And your own heuristic "you recognizer"...
> 
> 
> Point of articles is: that in your brain is historically protected
> such that ruberhose isn't even tried because it's plainly not legal.
> These cases are trying to rubberhose that protection away by
> bench legislation, and generally further destroy other protections
> on the slope. That's beyond bad.

Ack.

Right to not self incriminate.

Right to freedom of communication.

Right to freely associate with other humans (big one under attack
here in Australia).

Right to choose which (if any) implement is inserted into any orifice
of my body (the old breath testing units, some still used today).

Right to choose which (if any) medications go into my body.


and plenty more... we are in a war, right now, though few recognise
this fact

John McAfee Nails Crypto on CNBC and RT

[grarpamp]

The full CNBC interview with MGT Capital Investments CEO John McAfee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxScg1t0eZI

John McAfee RT: Bitcoin is Not a Bubble, It Will Continue To Grow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzGmLDDE2Ss

John McAfee on the Future of Bitcoin, Government
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKAVyy1A7pU

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee
http://www.mgtci.com/
http://www.whoismcafee.com/

Other recent...

John McAfee To Google: Stop Endangering Our Humanity Or I'm Coming For You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9b1OBSr1SI

John McAfee Video interview - at 2017 d10e Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQsQviHLZsE


Gringo: The Dangerous Life of John McAfee
infohash:AAC9872047C42103CB862A474375721902832C92
McAfee TV: The Reality Translator re: Gringo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziJcC7Fm-3s

Why John McAfee Didn't Appear At Freedomfest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSnuWRbvJbo

Re: NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror

[Marina Brown]

On 09/13/2017 04:22 PM, jim bell wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, September 13, 2017, 12:04:45 PM PDT, Marina Brown
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>>> Sorry, but you are not even hundreds of miles away from being correct on
>>> this.  To label DNS service, which is essentially monopoly, as
>>> supporting "genocide" is about 3-4 leaps of logic, far too much to
> work.  
>>> A few nuts spouting nonsense is far, very far, from "conspiracy to
>>> commit genocide".  Merely providing necessary net services to them, just
>>> as is done for thousands of sites, cannot possibly be described that
>>> way.   Maybe you just have no respect for the concept of "Free
> Speech".   
>>>              Jim Bell
> 
> 
>>I am concerned about the market monopoly of DNS service ...but
>>This is not about speech. It is about people conspiring to commit
> genocide, ethnic cleansing and to remove peoples human rights.
> 
> 
> 
> Sorry, but I cannot agree.  That's way too close to the 'nutty lefty'
> way of thinking that is infecting our society today.    At most, it is
> "hate speech", which the First Amendment protects.  
> 
> 
> 
>>You cannot simultaneously enguage in free speech and a conspiracy to
> commit genocide. One is permitted, one is a crime.
> 
> 
> 
> What do you mean, "you cannot"?   Do you mean, 'you are not allowed to'?
>  Or do you mean, 'you are not capable of...'.  ?
> 
> Further, your reference to "conspiracy to commit genocide" is merely a
> flawed characterization on your part.  While I don't claim that
> absolutely no people on the right are "conspiring to commit genocide",
> the vast majority are merely engaging in hostile speech that the left
> doesn't like, speech that I consider they have a right to make.   I
> don't consider that as any justification at all to begin trying to shut
> down their right to free speech.  
> 
> Actual genocide is a major problem   But your mere characterization of
> free speech as being "conspiracy to commit genocide" appears to me to
> not merely be wrong, but foolish.  
> 
> 
> 
>>"...Unless you want to redefine free speech to include criminal
> conspiracy."
> 
> 
> 
> Unless you can actually show a specific criminal conspiracy, I'm not
> interested in your histrionics.  
> 
> 
> 
>>"We can oppose monopolies like DNS TLD without defending conspiracy to
> commit genocide."
> 
> 
> 
> We can defend people's right to free speech without being accused of
> defending conspiracy to commit genocide.
> Oh, wait,  I forgot.  That's SO 20th Century!!!
> 
>                 Jim Bell

I do defend Free Speech - but when people start planning on murdering
whole groups of people it is no longer free speech. It's something else.

There is no need for Hate Speech laws. ...Just when things go to
plotting genocide, ethnic cleansing or removing the human rights of
large groups of people it's criminal. Of course the actual line needs to
be determined not by me but by a legitimate court.

Would you actually call the Neuremburg trials nutty lefty ? I think not.
It's mainstream actually rather conservative law.

Re: Godaddy survey answers (I stand corrected!)

[Razer]

I stand corrected. I conflated GoDaddy's rationale with Cloudflare's CEO
statement:

> Earlier today, Cloudflare terminated the account of the Daily Stormer.
> We've stopped proxying their traffic and stopped answering DNS
> requests for their sites. We've taken measures to ensure that they
> cannot sign up for Cloudflare's services ever again.
>
> Our terms of service reserve the right for us to terminate users of
> our network at our sole discretion. The tipping point for us making
> this decision was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim
> that we were secretly supporters of their ideology.
>
> Our team has been thorough and have had thoughtful discussions for
> years about what the right policy was on censoring. Like a lot of
> people, we’ve felt angry at these hateful people for a long time but
> we have followed the law and remained content neutral as a network. We
> could not remain neutral after these claims of secret support by
> Cloudflare. 

https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/


...and I stand by what I said on another thread about an overweening
reason DNS's take an incredible risk hosting Sturmer crap:

> On 09/13/2017 12:07 PM, Marina Brown quoted Jim Bell:
>
> > Sorry, but you are not even hundreds of miles away from being correct on
> > this.  To label DNS service, which is essentially monopoly, as
> > supporting "genocide" is about 3-4 leaps of logic, far too much to
> work. 
> > A few nuts spouting nonsense is far, very far, from "conspiracy to
> > commit genocide".  Merely providing necessary net services to them, just
> > as is done for thousands of sites, cannot possibly be described that
> > way.
>
> Cmon Jim! You know better! That wing ding at the beginning of the
> Persian Gulf Invasion? An Annapolis Ham Packet bbs that handled an
> anti-war message? Remember?
>
> The first node IS responsible for content, barring federal
> intervention/regulation such as declaring a mode of operation or
> organization, a "Common Carrier". DNSes have NO SUCH IMMUNITY.
>
> Rr

On 09/12/2017 07:05 PM, Razer wrote:
>
> On 09/12/2017 02:54 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> Feel free to continue to be obtuse, 
> I'm not being obtuse. I'm cutting right to the chase.
>
> Rr

Re: #OpenFabs Ground Up Rebuild [re: secure computer]

[Steven Schear]

Jim Bell and I commented some time ago on this dilemma. One obvious
solution is "table top" manufacture of VLSI.

As crazy as it sounds, for at least prototyping and small (CPunk) PoC
projects, its possible to fab a wide variety of chips, with impressive
feature sizes, implantation, doping, etc. using Electron Beam Lithography.
EBL is basically operating an electron microscope in reverse. Because it
uses electrons to illuminate the substrate vs. photons it doesn't require
any litho masks. The beams can directly write to the surfaces and with the
appropriate techniques expose chemicals that create the "resists" of
typical litho methods. Best of all, electron beams can be brought to a
sharper focus than even deep UV meaning small feature size capabilities.

The main reason EBL is only a tech oddity is its inability to be used for
volume manufacture. Maybe someone in this field will do an ICO. EBL can
potentially be operated by a much smaller staff (maybe a competent enough
individual) than even the smallest conventional fab. With at least small
scale manufacture and some careful design attention I think the list price
on a rig could be < $100k USD.

Steve

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:33 PM, grarpamp  wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 1:53 AM, Ryan Carboni  wrote:
> > In the end, you can only trust something you can understand, otherwise
> you
> > are trusting the word of someone else.
>
> While ultimately true, it is certainly possible to create a far more
> trustable model than the totally blind "We are the corp / gov
> (or any other closed source single point opaque authority,
> trade secret IPR, NDA), *You can trust us*" that idiots happily
> accept today.
>
> > the original computers used relays, switches, and wires to be programmed.
>
> There can be parallel lines of open inspection and cross
> certification of fully open ground up rebuilds all the way
> to current HW and SW products... ie: Processor, OS.
>
> The rebuild path, both of tooling itself and product, from relays
> to vacuum tubes to silicon to gigagate masks is already known
> form history, thus requires zero research.
>
> The research is in how to do the rebuild under a model that
> imparts explicit open reliable reviewable documented n-man
> rule realtime operating and historical chain of reasonably
> bulletproof trust.
>
> #OpenFabs, #OpenHW, #OpenSW
>
> Such a project could be seeded and continuously funded by
>
> #CryptoCurrencies, #DAOs, #EarlyAdopters, #CypherPunks,
> and eventually, sales of product runs
>
> None of today's opaque HW gates are remotely trustworthy,
> any attempts to impart trust to them are no more than foolish
> speculation.
>



-- 
Creator of the Warrant Canary and the Street Performer Protocol. Wi-Fi
standard spec. creation participant and co-developer of eCache. Director at
MojoNation and Cylink. Founding member of IFCA and GNU Radio.

Shameless self-promoter :)

Re: Why I can't sleep soundly with blockchain, being the cypherpunk

[Steven Schear]

I am not at all surprised that CPunks did not kick off the revolution many
of us desired.

One reason was that, despite Tim C May's mantra that, "cypherpunks write
code", not many of us were capable or did. Many who hung out on the list
and were technically competent weren't true believers and/or were still
more focused on their careers. When times were poor for our employment
there would be a significant surge in doing coding but as soon as the good
times returned these people were no where to be found.

Another reason is our lack of understanding of the importance of UIs and
network effects for widespread take-up (Why Johnny Still, Still Can't
Encrypt: Evaluating the Usability of a Modern PGP Client
).

Steve

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 6:16 AM, \0xDynamite 
wrote:

> > On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 08:36:54AM +0300, Sergey Matveev wrote:
> >> Everything is right here. Anyway you *will* depend on people, society,
> >> its behaviour and huge quantity of empirical factors and assumptions. It
> >> is not cypherpunk's reliable and risks-predictable world -- it has
> >> nothing in common. Replacing the need to trust the human, with the need
> >> to trust the algorithm and technology -- that *is* the exact reason why
> >> I am interested in crypto. Requiring and depending on society again --
> >> that is the exact reason why I standing aside from blockchains. They do
> >> not offer any guarantees[4], but likelihoods, lottery.
> >
> > But this is the point - exchange of energy between humans, whether
> > money, voluntary labour, crypto money, barter of food or other goods,
> > these things ALWAYS depend on other humans - that is (how ever
> > unfortunate this might be) the nature of involvement with other
> > humans and with interacting with other humans.
>
> I am curious about Sergey's point.  While humanity is generally a
> piece of shit, they are akin to a cancer patient whose every cell has
> been infected -- they themselves are not guilty, they are product of
> external factors that are larger than them.  Ultimately, like all
> mammals, they are organized around the heart (that's what separates
> them from lizards), so that natural force can be harnessed.
>
> This is also why technological solutions have not been affective.  If
> you take my premise that humans are organized around the heart, then
> pure rationalism will fail to lead them because their minds are
> already infected and they distrust it.  So, in a way, the same forces
> of the heart are already working -- too block further memetic codons
> from creating more nucleic load.
>
> > So when it comes to exchange of energy of any form between humans,
> > you will always be involved with other humans, to a greater or lesser
> > degree :)
>
> Yeah, humans are both the cause and the cure.  The major source of
> inadequacy in THIS population (crypto-anarchists) is the failure to
> examine why the 60's failed to produce the revolution it desired.  It
> had love, peace, and an awesome soundtrack -- yet it failed.
>
> The only reason I've found in my analysis is that it was missing
> either truth or justice (in some way they HADN'T recognized) or both.
> Both of these are necessary for peace.  Without truth, people argue.
> Without justice. people continue fighting.
>
> \0xd
>



-- 
Creator of the Warrant Canary and the Street Performer Protocol. Wi-Fi
standard spec. creation participant and co-developer of eCache. Director at
MojoNation and Cylink. Founding member of IFCA and GNU Radio.

Shameless self-promoter :)

Re: NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror

[Razer]

On 09/13/2017 12:07 PM, Marina Brown quoted Jim Bell:

> Sorry, but you are not even hundreds of miles away from being correct on
> this.  To label DNS service, which is essentially monopoly, as
> supporting "genocide" is about 3-4 leaps of logic, far too much to work.  
> A few nuts spouting nonsense is far, very far, from "conspiracy to
> commit genocide".  Merely providing necessary net services to them, just
> as is done for thousands of sites, cannot possibly be described that
> way. 

Cmon Jim! You know better! That wing ding at the beginning of the
Persian Gulf Invasion? An Annapolis Ham Packet bbs that handled an
anti-war message? Remember?

The first node IS responsible for content, barring federal
intervention/regulation such as declaring a mode of operation or
organization, a "Common Carrier". DNSes have NO SUCH IMMUNITY.

Rr


> On 09/13/2017 02:30 PM, jim bell wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 13, 2017, 10:50:40 AM PDT, Marina Brown
>>  wrote:
>>
>> On 09/13/2017 07:04 AM, John Young wrote:
>>
>>> The Terrifying Power of Internet Censors
>>>
>>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/opinion/cloudflare-daily-stormer-charlottesville.html
>>>
>>> Terrifying!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a feeling that Internet Registrars and Cloudflare are doing this
>> for their own legal protection.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a feeling that you are inventing reasoning that would be, in
>> itself, illogical and quite stilted.  Sure, deluded people exist, but
>> organizations who are in control of such things have a responsibility to
>> not abuse their authority.
>>
>>
> Yes - i am only speculating, but there are lawyers out there who have
> brought up the possible charge. I spoke with one of them recently.
>
>>> It's long established law that conspiracy to commit genocide, ethnic
>> cleansing and to violate the human rights of groups of people is a
>> crime. Creating the theoretical framework for genocide is also a crime
>> as was evidenced by the conviction of Julius Streicher who authored
>> Daily Stormer's predescessor Der Sturmer.
>>
>>> It's Cloudflare and Registrars protecting themselves from being
>> complicit in human rights crimes.
>>
>>> And you know what. I don't blame them. I wouldn't piss on Andrew Anglin
>> if he was on fire.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, but you are not even hundreds of miles away from being correct on
>> this.  To label DNS service, which is essentially monopoly, as
>> supporting "genocide" is about 3-4 leaps of logic, far too much to work.  
>> A few nuts spouting nonsense is far, very far, from "conspiracy to
>> commit genocide".  Merely providing necessary net services to them, just
>> as is done for thousands of sites, cannot possibly be described that
>> way.   Maybe you just have no respect for the concept of "Free Speech".   
>>
>>  Jim Bell
>>
>>
> I am concerned about the market monopoly of DNS service ...but
>
>>
>>
> This is not about speech. It is about people conspiring to commit
> genocide, ethnic cleansing and to remove peoples human rights.
>
> I am quoting law used in Neuremburg. ...The same law that was used to
> convict Julius Streicher.
>
> You cannot simultaneously enguage in free speech and a conspiracy to
> commit genocide. One is permitted, one is a crime.
>
> ...Unless you want to redefine free speech to include criminal conspiracy.
>
> We can oppose monopolies like DNS TLD without defending conspiracy to
> commit genocide.

Amir Taaki - Technology is a Power we use to Shape Society

[grarpamp]

Breaking Bitcoin
Amir Taaki - Technology is a Power we use to Shape Society
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY-QQOjycgI&t=5216s

Re: Why I can't sleep soundly with blockchain, being the cypherpunk

[grarpamp]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:22 PM, vdo  wrote:
> https://themerkle.com/blocksci-succesfully-traces-transactions-performed-with-dash-zcash-and-other-currencies/

The article is shit.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1709.02489.pdf

The whitepaper clearly states
- They demoed breaks in BTC, BCC, LTC, NMC, DASH.
- They excluded Monero and Ethereum from research, because they didn't
want to bother authoring code structures to read their chain formats, etc.
- They excluded the Zcash family (ZEC, ZCL, ZEN, etc) from research,
because their shielded transactions are currently believed provably
crypto secure against tracing.


[1] S. Goldfeder, H. Kalodner, D. Reisman, and A. Narayanan, "When the cookie
meets the blockchain: Privacy risks of web payments via cryptocurrencies,"
https://arxiv.org/abs/1708.04748
[2] A. Miller, M. Möser, K. Lee, and A. Narayanan, "An empirical
analysis of linka-
bility in the Monero blockchain,"
https://arxiv.org/abs/1704.04299
[3] M. Möser and R. Böhme, "The price of anonymity: empirical evidence from a
market for Bitcoin anonymization," coinjoin
https://academic.oup.com/cybersecurity/article-lookup/doi/10.1093/cybsec/tyx007
https://www.reddit.com/r/joinmarket/


https://themerkle.com/top-4-companies-providing-bitcoin-blockchain-analysis-services/

Those wanting anonymity today might exchange around with some Z's, Monero,
etc in the middle on a number of decentralized or at least anon markets,
make money on the idle with joinmarkets in any coin, all over I2P / Tor,
while managing a large pile of one time use accounts.
They obviously have to support the adoption of the set of anon capable coins
otherwise the edge markets interfacing realworld won't list them, making
transit of nontrivial sums in / between / out worlds very difficult.

Here's another proposal...
Adam Fiscor - Zerolink Bitcoin fungibility framework
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY-QQOjycgI
https://breaking-bitcoin.com/

Re: NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror

[3ch0_3ch0]

Big corps, big gov't, there's really no difference.  When any small group of 
actors can pick winner and losers it's a dangerous thing.  Prince even realizes 
this:

Last week, Matthew Prince, Cloudflare’s chief executive, acknowledged how much 
power his company has, and what’s at stake. “The internet is a really important 
resource for everyone,” he said in an interview with 
[TechCrunch](https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/17/cloudflare-ceo-calls-for-a-system-to-regulate-hateful-internet-content/),
 “but there’s a very limited set of companies that control it and there’s such 
little accountability to us that it really is quite a dangerous thing.”

Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.

>  Original Message 
> Subject: NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror
> Local Time: September 13, 2017 5:04 AM
> UTC Time: September 13, 2017 11:04 AM
> From: j...@pipeline.com
> To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org
>
> The Terrifying Power of Internet Censors
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/opinion/cloudflare-daily-stormer-charlottesville.html
>
> Terrifying!

Re: NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror

[jim bell]

 

On Wednesday, September 13, 2017, 12:04:45 PM PDT, Marina Brown 
 wrote:  
 
>> Sorry, but you are not even hundreds of miles away from being correct on
>> this.  To label DNS service, which is essentially monopoly, as
>> supporting "genocide" is about 3-4 leaps of logic, far too much to work.  
>> A few nuts spouting nonsense is far, very far, from "conspiracy to
>> commit genocide".  Merely providing necessary net services to them, just
>> as is done for thousands of sites, cannot possibly be described that
>> way.   Maybe you just have no respect for the concept of "Free Speech".   
>>              Jim Bell


>I am concerned about the market monopoly of DNS service ...but
>This is not about speech. It is about people conspiring to commit
genocide, ethnic cleansing and to remove peoples human rights.


Sorry, but I cannot agree.  That's way too close to the 'nutty lefty' way of 
thinking that is infecting our society today.    At most, it is "hate speech", 
which the First Amendment protects.  



>You cannot simultaneously enguage in free speech and a conspiracy to
commit genocide. One is permitted, one is a crime.


What do you mean, "you cannot"?   Do you mean, 'you are not allowed to'?  Or do 
you mean, 'you are not capable of...'.  ?
Further, your reference to "conspiracy to commit genocide" is merely a flawed 
characterization on your part.  While I don't claim that absolutely no people 
on the right are "conspiring to commit genocide", the vast majority are merely 
engaging in hostile speech that the left doesn't like, speech that I consider 
they have a right to make.   I don't consider that as any justification at all 
to begin trying to shut down their right to free speech.  
Actual genocide is a major problem   But your mere characterization of free 
speech as being "conspiracy to commit genocide" appears to me to not merely be 
wrong, but foolish.  


>"...Unless you want to redefine free speech to include criminal conspiracy."


Unless you can actually show a specific criminal conspiracy, I'm not interested 
in your histrionics.  



>"We can oppose monopolies like DNS TLD without defending conspiracy to commit 
>genocide."


We can defend people's right to free speech without being accused of defending 
conspiracy to commit genocide.Oh, wait,  I forgot.  That's SO 20th Century!!!
                Jim Bell  

Re: NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror

[juan]

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:51:43 -0400
Marina Brown  wrote:


> It's long established law that conspiracy to commit genocide, ethnic
> cleansing and to violate the human rights of groups of people is a
> crime.

can we cut the nazi propaganda coming from the fucking, nazi US
government?

you pieces of nazi shit pretending to be the 'good' guys is
both incredibly tiring and incredibly revolting - not to
mention incredibly stupid. 


>It's Cloudflare and Registrars protecting themselves from being
> complicit in human rights crimes.

cosmic amount of unintentional self-parody 

Re: Cryptocurrency: JPMorgan, Banking Heavy's Continued Dump and Pump

[grarpamp]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6zusvt/this_is_how_jamie_dimon_buys_bitcoin/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6zt55o/jpmorgan_ceo_bitcoin_is_fraud_reuters_in_2013/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6ztif7/ceo_of_kodak_says_digital_photography_has_no/
 future

The LOL's over this guy keep rolling in.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin+CryptoCurrency+btc/top/?sort=top&t=month

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6yn8hs/the_difference_between_inflation_and_deflation/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6zshlu/time_to_buy/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEBP9dpVM70

Chaos isn't a pit, it's a ladder.

Re: NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror

[Marina Brown]

On 09/13/2017 02:30 PM, jim bell wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 13, 2017, 10:50:40 AM PDT, Marina Brown
>  wrote:
> 
> On 09/13/2017 07:04 AM, John Young wrote:
> 
>> The Terrifying Power of Internet Censors
>>
>>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/opinion/cloudflare-daily-stormer-charlottesville.html
>>
>>
>> Terrifying!
> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
>>I have a feeling that Internet Registrars and Cloudflare are doing this
> for their own legal protection.
> 
> 
> 
> I have a feeling that you are inventing reasoning that would be, in
> itself, illogical and quite stilted.  Sure, deluded people exist, but
> organizations who are in control of such things have a responsibility to
> not abuse their authority.
> 
> 

Yes - i am only speculating, but there are lawyers out there who have
brought up the possible charge. I spoke with one of them recently.

> 
>>It's long established law that conspiracy to commit genocide, ethnic
> cleansing and to violate the human rights of groups of people is a
> crime. Creating the theoretical framework for genocide is also a crime
> as was evidenced by the conviction of Julius Streicher who authored
> Daily Stormer's predescessor Der Sturmer.
> 
>>It's Cloudflare and Registrars protecting themselves from being
> complicit in human rights crimes.
> 
>>And you know what. I don't blame them. I wouldn't piss on Andrew Anglin
> if he was on fire.
> 
> 
> 
> Sorry, but you are not even hundreds of miles away from being correct on
> this.  To label DNS service, which is essentially monopoly, as
> supporting "genocide" is about 3-4 leaps of logic, far too much to work.  
> A few nuts spouting nonsense is far, very far, from "conspiracy to
> commit genocide".  Merely providing necessary net services to them, just
> as is done for thousands of sites, cannot possibly be described that
> way.   Maybe you just have no respect for the concept of "Free Speech".   
> 
>              Jim Bell
> 
> 

I am concerned about the market monopoly of DNS service ...but

> 
> 
> 

This is not about speech. It is about people conspiring to commit
genocide, ethnic cleansing and to remove peoples human rights.

I am quoting law used in Neuremburg. ...The same law that was used to
convict Julius Streicher.

You cannot simultaneously enguage in free speech and a conspiracy to
commit genocide. One is permitted, one is a crime.

...Unless you want to redefine free speech to include criminal conspiracy.

We can oppose monopolies like DNS TLD without defending conspiracy to
commit genocide.

Ichidan (OnionShodan), LibGen, SciHub

[grarpamp]

http://ichidanv34wrx7m7.onion/
http://genotypeinczgrxr.onion/
http://scihub22266oqcxt.onion/

Re: Equifax and Collected Sheeple Bent Over for 600BTC

[grarpamp]

https://pirate.london/fake-equifax-hacker-website-shut-down-following-deanonymisation-7f30b64cc99a
 http://badtouchyonqysm3.onion/

http://equihxbdrjn5czx2.onion/

Re: [tor-talk] Is there any societal use in Bitcoin?

[grarpamp]

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 12:57 PM, jim bell  wrote:
> I can think of one.

https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/09/13/0023237/north-korea-is-dodging-sanctions-with-a-secret-bitcoin-stash
https://it.slashdot.org/story/17/09/12/2217250/at-least-165-million-computers-are-mining-cryptocurrency-for-hackers-so-far-this-year
https://bitconnect.co/bitcoin-news/722/forget-china-argentina-is-about-to-roll-out-250-bitcoin-atms
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6zu9k6/forget_china_argentina_is_about_to_roll_out_250/
https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/17/09/13/002250/french-company-plans-to-heat-homes-offices-with-amd-ryzen-pro-processors

Re: Cryptocurrency: JPMorgan, Banking Heavy's Continued Dump and Pump

[grarpamp]

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/12/jpmorgan-ceo-jamie-dimon-raises-flag-on-trading-revenue-sees-20-percent-fall-for-the-third-quarter.html
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6ztbor/jp_morgan_ceo_bitcoin_could_reach_10_dollar/
 JP Morgan CEO: Bitcoin could reach 100,000 Dollar, my daughter
 made a lot of money trading it, but I will fire everyone doing the
 same. Buy stocks of our bank!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Lwiv1vIrsDVchBoiuSiLahqk5vtMVmBron4sVA_ta_0/edit

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6zv7mw/the_currency_isnt_going_to_work_you_cant_have_a/
"The currency isnt going to work. You cant have a business where
people can invent a currency out of thin air and think that people
who are buying it are really smart." U, little Jamie, come sit
with me... I think we need to have a chat about the US Dollar

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6zqq2o/debate_invitation_to_jamie_dimon/
 How about John McAfee as an opponent? He even has debate experience!
 What happens if tomorrow, 2/3rds of the world's nations just stop
using the Dollar and move to Bitcoin?
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6ztawu/ama_request_jamie_dimons_daughter/


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-13/bitcoin-tumbles-below-4000-down-21-record-high
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/13/bitcoin-fraud-jp-morgan-cryptocurrency-drug-dealers

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6zr6x2/jamie_dimon_just_called_bitcoin_a_fraud_hmmits/

https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/12/bankers-mistrust-of-bitcoin-is-still-the-greatest-argument-for-it/
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6zsprm/bankers_mistrust_of_bitcoin_is_still_the_greatest/

https://www.reddit.com/r/GoldandBlack/

I would love to know how talking about bitcoin goes in the Dimon family.
Maybe like this:
"Daddy I want to short Bitcoin"
"No problem my dear, I'll just babble some bullshit and some
friends in China will post some FUD"
Haha, this needs to be a scene in the inevitable Bitcoin movie.


https://www.jpmorgan.com/global/Quorum


https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/907964278363136001

Re: NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror

[jim bell]

 On Wednesday, September 13, 2017, 10:50:40 AM PDT, Marina Brown 
 wrote:
 
 On 09/13/2017 07:04 AM, John Young wrote:

> The Terrifying Power of Internet Censors
> 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/opinion/cloudflare-daily-stormer-charlottesville.html
> 
> 
> Terrifying!
> 
> 
> 
> 

>I have a feeling that Internet Registrars and Cloudflare are doing this
for their own legal protection.


I have a feeling that you are inventing reasoning that would be, in itself, 
illogical and quite stilted.  Sure, deluded people exist, but organizations who 
are in control of such things have a responsibility to not abuse their 
authority.


>It's long established law that conspiracy to commit genocide, ethnic
cleansing and to violate the human rights of groups of people is a
crime. Creating the theoretical framework for genocide is also a crime
as was evidenced by the conviction of Julius Streicher who authored
Daily Stormer's predescessor Der Sturmer.

>It's Cloudflare and Registrars protecting themselves from being
complicit in human rights crimes.

>And you know what. I don't blame them. I wouldn't piss on Andrew Anglinif he 
>was on fire.


Sorry, but you are not even hundreds of miles away from being correct on this.  
To label DNS service, which is essentially monopoly, as supporting "genocide" 
is about 3-4 leaps of logic, far too much to work.  A few nuts spouting 
nonsense is far, very far, from "conspiracy to commit genocide".  Merely 
providing necessary net services to them, just as is done for thousands of 
sites, cannot possibly be described that way.   Maybe you just have no respect 
for the concept of "Free Speech".   
             Jim Bell




  

Re: Why I can't sleep soundly with blockchain, being the cypherpunk

[vdo]

https://themerkle.com/blocksci-succesfully-traces-transactions-performed-with-dash-zcash-and-other-currencies/


Criminals flocking to other cryptocurrencies may want to think twice
about those as well. As BlockSci’s whitepaper explains, there are very
few cryptocurrencies which have eluded their scrutiny. One of those
currencies is Monero, as it provides a degree of anonymity and
obfuscation the group has not been able to crack just yet. Monero is
officially labeled an “unsupported blockchain due to it not following
the one-input one-output paradigm.” That is an interesting point which
shows how Monero may be the only cryptocurrency providing full privacy
and anonymity right now.


On 09/02/2017 09:28 AM, grarpamp wrote:
> Claming privacy enforced... Monero [up until basically now] doesn't either.
> Z's "optional" is a plainly documented feature.
> All are 'opensource', "communities" can "back" / ignore / fork them at will.
> Only Zencash has TLS and full overlay network support today.
> Comparing Monero to the Z-family of currencies can't be
> done with just newsbites.
> The debate between Monero and Z-family is ongoing,
> and depends a lot on future developments, both of their own,
> and in the space.
> Don't expect any existing currency to survive long term.
> Be prepared to migrate, often, over the near towards long term.
>
> Here's a dozen bites, analysis of more and deeper would be needed...
> https://blog.okturtles.com/2016/03/the-zcash-catch/
> https://blog.okturtles.com/2016/09/how-to-compromise-zcash-and-take-over-the-world/
> https://forum.z.cash/t/parameter-generation-ceremony-discussion/6691/3?u=zooko
> https://z.cash/technology/paramgen.html
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GJwBAxZ3eEdcjPn4iSpKcWXXrl5YxWSMX8I0K2wiSsM/edit
> https://web.archive.org/web/20160726150109/https://www.reddit.com/r/Zcash/comments/499tva/to_what_extent_given_sciprlabs_involvment_is/
> https://www.coindesk.com/defending-zcash-blockchain-art-security-theater/
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_multi-party_computation
> https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/2719/how-does-monero-privacy-and-security-compare-to-zcoin
> https://www.monero.how/how-does-monero-work-details-in-plain-english
> https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/83/how-does-monero-privacy-and-security-compare-to-zcash
> https://zensystem.io/

Re: NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror

[Marina Brown]

On 09/13/2017 07:04 AM, John Young wrote:
> The Terrifying Power of Internet Censors
> 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/opinion/cloudflare-daily-stormer-charlottesville.html
> 
> 
> Terrifying!
> 
> 
> 
> 

I have a feeling that Internet Registrars and Cloudflare are doing this
for their own legal protection.

It's long established law that conspiracy to commit genocide, ethnic
cleansing and to violate the human rights of groups of people is a
crime. Creating the theoretical framework for genocide is also a crime
as was evidenced by the conviction of Julius Streicher who authored
Daily Stormer's predescessor Der Sturmer.

It's Cloudflare and Registrars protecting themselves from being
complicit in human rights crimes.

And you know what. I don't blame them. I wouldn't piss on Andrew Anglin
if he was on fire.

Re: Scholarships for Security Certification

[Umair Chachar]

Completely agree. Most of these "certifications" are one way for corporate 
overlords to drain more money, and usually just keep pumping out more and more 
script kiddies (if that).

VR,
Umair

 Original Message 
On Sep 13, 2017, 13:10, John Newman wrote:

> On Sep 9, 2017, at 7:23 AM, Yush Bhardwaj < yushbhardwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ethical Hackers League, a nonprofit organization is offering 100% 
>> scholarships for their Certification Programs in the cyber security domain. 
>> EHL identified that there is a huge skill gap in the IT security industry 
>> and there is huge potential for aggressive expansion.
>>
>> With the imminent rise in cyber crime and related attacks, the need of 
>> skilled cyber security professionals is on the rise as well. This is a war 
>> one cannot fight alone and EHL is trying to solve this problem with their 
>> initiative.
>>
>> On its 6 year anniversary, EHL is offering 6 certifications for free every 
>> day of the year which is 365 candidates for each of the 6 programs. Even 
>> high-end advanced certifications in the domain of digital forensics are part 
>> of this scholarship program.
>>
>> This is a huge opportunity for those who wish to excel or build their career 
>> in IT security.
>>
>> To apply or for more information, please visit 
>> http://ethicalhackersleague.org or revert on this email or mail us on 
>> scholars...@ethicalhackersleague.org
>
> Trimmed to list I'm subbed to...
>
> These "ethical hacker" degree programs are, IMO, basically a scam.
> I've screened ppl for interviews at work and basically learned to ignore
> anyone whose only significant qualification is one of these programs...
>
> Amazing how they can get certified and not even know the diff
> between the passwd & shadow file, or su vs sudo, or the most
> BASIC shit...

Re: Rubberhose Decrypt, 5th / 4th / Contempt Over Forgotten Passphrase / BrainWallet

[John Newman]

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 1:12 AM, grarpamp  wrote:
> 
> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/09/judge-wont-release-man-jailed-2-years-for-refusing-to-decrypt-drives/
> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/man-jailed-indefinitely-for-refusing-to-decrypt-hard-drives-loses-appeal/
> https://arstechnica.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/rawlsstaysinprisonruling.pdf
> https://arstechnica.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/rawlsrehearingpetition.pdf
> https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/rawlsopinion.pdf
> https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/comply.pdf
> 
> Judge won't release man jailed 2 years for refusing to decrypt drives,
> suspect to remain jailed pending 5th Amendment appeal to Supreme Court.
> 
> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/05/jail-looms-large-for-suspects-ordered-to-reveal-forgotten-passwords/
> 
> Is I forget a valid defense when court orders demand a smartphone password?
> The answer seems to be yes and no. But one suspect on Tuesday gets 180
> days jail.
> 

And now the new "iphone X" unlocks just by looking at it.

Cops already have no problem strong arming a finger print,
this facial scan shit seems like a horrible idea.


> 
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15232069
> https://medium.freecodecamp.org/why-you-should-never-unlock-your-phone-with-your-face-79c07772a28
> http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2013/10/fingerprints-are-user-names-not.html
> https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/01/fifth-amendement-passcodes-passwords-law/

Re: Scholarships for Security Certification

[John Newman]

> On Sep 9, 2017, at 7:23 AM, Yush Bhardwaj  wrote:
> 
> Ethical Hackers League, a nonprofit organization is offering 100% 
> scholarships for their Certification Programs in the cyber security domain. 
> EHL identified that there is a huge skill gap in the IT security industry and 
> there is huge potential for aggressive expansion.
> 
> With the imminent rise in cyber crime and related attacks, the need of 
> skilled cyber security professionals is on the rise as well. This is a war 
> one cannot fight alone and EHL is trying to solve this problem with their 
> initiative.
> 
> On its 6 year anniversary, EHL is offering 6 certifications for free every 
> day of the year which is 365 candidates for each of the 6 programs. Even 
> high-end advanced certifications in the domain of digital forensics are part 
> of this scholarship program.
> 
> This is a huge opportunity for those who wish to excel or build their career 
> in IT security.
> 
> To apply or for more information, please visit 
> http://ethicalhackersleague.org or revert on this email or mail us on 
> scholars...@ethicalhackersleague.org

Trimmed to list I'm subbed to...

These "ethical hacker" degree programs are, IMO, basically a scam.
I've screened ppl for interviews at work and basically learned to ignore
anyone whose only significant qualification is one of these programs...

Amazing how they can get certified and not even know the diff 
between the passwd & shadow file, or su vs sudo, or the most 
BASIC shit... 

Re: NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror

[rooty]

nytimes = fake new no worries

 Original Message 
On Sep 13, 2017, 4:04 AM, John Young wrote:

> The Terrifying Power of Internet Censors
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/opinion/cloudflare-daily-stormer-charlottesville.html
>
> Terrifying!

Re: NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror

[x9p]

> The Terrifying Power of Internet Censors
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/opinion/cloudflare-daily-stormer-charlottesville.html
>
> Terrifying!
>
>

TDS is not in line with my views, but indeed it is terrifying.
Should someone tip Peter Sunde to start competition?

x9p

NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror

[John Young]

The Terrifying Power of Internet Censors

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/opinion/cloudflare-daily-stormer-charlottesville.html

Terrifying!

Re: Rubberhose Decrypt, 5th / 4th / Contempt Over Forgotten Passphrase / BrainWallet

[grarpamp]

What of integration with a sort of warrant canary numbers station...
And your own heuristic "you recognizer"...


Point of articles is: that in your brain is historically protected
such that ruberhose isn't even tried because it's plainly not legal.
These cases are trying to rubberhose that protection away by
bench legislation, and generally further destroy other protections
on the slope. That's beyond bad.