John Mcafee: Face to Face on Cryptocurrency, Roger Ver: BFP on Crypto, Anarchy, Freedom

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Mcafee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KtCqJSkhHI

Ver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV-OWKRq9vw

Re: 2018 Clusterfuck Forecast

[juan]

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 19:27:55 -0800
Steven Schear  wrote:

> Yes, it's a rather open secret that LN channel abuse,

abuse, exactly how? 

I'm not seeing any open secret. LN works like I described it. 


> esp. using Hub
> architecture,  can do FR just link banks.
> 

No it can't.


> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/56ehi1/fractional_reserve_on_lightning_network/

from your own link 

Q: "could this lead to a form of fractional reserve bitcoin?"


A: "It's not possible with Lightning. For each satoshi on the
Lightning network, at least one satoshi on the Bitcoin network
is tied up and unspendable. "


> By never closing channels it difficult to detect what's going on.

It doesn't matter if you close the channel or not. What matters
is that in order to open it you need actual bitcoins.



> 
> On Jan 7, 2018 6:41 PM, "juan"  wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 18:32:19 -0800
> > Steven Schear  wrote:
> >
> > > The way payment channels can be reasonably used enables fractional
> > > reserve abuses.
> >
> >
> > Are you sure? As far as I know,  one of the main selling
> > points of the LN is that it uses...bitcoins. So it's impossible to
> > open a channel/make a payment except by starting with an on
> > chain transaction. In other words, LN transactions are
> > backed 1:1 with real bitcoins.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On Jan 7, 2018 6:24 PM, "juan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 17:38:02 -0800
> > > > Steven Schear  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Off-chain, once solid tech that isn't a
> > > > > backdoor for CBs and WS (as LN appears to be), should easily
> > > > > compete with VISA.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > how is lightning network a backdoor for central banks?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >

Re: 2018 Clusterfuck Forecast

[Steven Schear]

Also, it's been shown, by the Tether USD caper, that most cryptocoin users
could care less if there is no proven backing for the fiat they use at
exchanges.

On Jan 7, 2018 7:27 PM, "Steven Schear"  wrote:

> Yes, it's a rather open secret that LN channel abuse, esp. using Hub
> architecture,  can do FR just link banks.
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/56ehi1/fractional_reserve_on_
> lightning_network/
>
> By never closing channels it difficult to detect what's going on.
>
> On Jan 7, 2018 6:41 PM, "juan"  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 18:32:19 -0800
>> Steven Schear  wrote:
>>
>> > The way payment channels can be reasonably used enables fractional
>> > reserve abuses.
>>
>>
>> Are you sure? As far as I know,  one of the main selling points
>> of the LN is that it uses...bitcoins. So it's impossible to
>> open a channel/make a payment except by starting with an on
>> chain transaction. In other words, LN transactions are backed
>> 1:1 with real bitcoins.
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > On Jan 7, 2018 6:24 PM, "juan"  wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 17:38:02 -0800
>> > > Steven Schear  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Off-chain, once solid tech that isn't a
>> > > > backdoor for CBs and WS (as LN appears to be), should easily
>> > > > compete with VISA.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > how is lightning network a backdoor for central banks?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>>

Re: 2018 Clusterfuck Forecast

[Steven Schear]

Yes, it's a rather open secret that LN channel abuse, esp. using Hub
architecture,  can do FR just link banks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/56ehi1/fractional_reserve_on_lightning_network/

By never closing channels it difficult to detect what's going on.

On Jan 7, 2018 6:41 PM, "juan"  wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 18:32:19 -0800
> Steven Schear  wrote:
>
> > The way payment channels can be reasonably used enables fractional
> > reserve abuses.
>
>
> Are you sure? As far as I know,  one of the main selling points
> of the LN is that it uses...bitcoins. So it's impossible to
> open a channel/make a payment except by starting with an on
> chain transaction. In other words, LN transactions are backed
> 1:1 with real bitcoins.
>
>
>
> >
> > On Jan 7, 2018 6:24 PM, "juan"  wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 17:38:02 -0800
> > > Steven Schear  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Off-chain, once solid tech that isn't a
> > > > backdoor for CBs and WS (as LN appears to be), should easily
> > > > compete with VISA.
> > >
> > >
> > > how is lightning network a backdoor for central banks?
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>

Re: 2018 Clusterfuck Forecast

[\0xDynamite]

>> Yes, sorry.  I MEANT physical to mean precious metal or other
>> impossible to reproduce material, not mere paper.
>
> OK, US dollar is mere information, real only because people believe it
> is real, and bitcoin is mere information  real only because people
> believe it is real, the fact that one is controlled by our enemies, and
> the other does not appear to be controlled by our enemies, matters.

Yes, but let us not talk of "enemies", let us say the guilty, for that
is a defensible claim.

Marxos

Re: Anarchocrapitalism, "libertardianism", et al.

[jamesd]

On 1/8/2018 2:18 AM, juan wrote:

It means that you will get automatically droned because of the
racist garbage you spew. And before being droned all your
'property' will be automatically seized.

And do you know who owns and controls the electronic
infrastructure to spy on and drone racist retards like you? Are
you able to take a half an educated guess? Why, the
infrastructure to drone retards like you is onwed by the all
white supreme scum eric schmidt (pure aryan nazi) and the
mostly white supreme scum fuckerberg and all the rest of the
non-black non-brwon supreme ruling 'aristocracy'.


You imagine yourself as one of the guards in the Khmer Rouge killing 
fields, but recollect what happened to those guards.

Re: 2018 Clusterfuck Forecast

[jamesd]

On 1/8/2018 11:57 AM, \0xDynamite wrote:

Yes, sorry.  I MEANT physical to mean precious metal or other
impossible to reproduce material, not mere paper.


OK, US dollar is mere information, real only because people believe it 
is real, and bitcoin is mere information  real only because people 
believe it is real, the fact that one is controlled by our enemies, and 
the other does not appear to be controlled by our enemies, matters.

Re: Personal attacks etc (was Re: USA: National Security Strategy...)

[jamesd]

On 1/8/2018 11:42 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:

After Charlottesville, spontaneous public turnouts against publicly
announced NeoNazi / KKK events outnumbered organized "Antifa" formation
turnouts by about 100 to 1.


Not what I see.

The ability of State Department NGOs to hire rentamobs to demand that 
the government does what it wants to do is collapsing, as Trump reduces 
their NGO funding.  He has not reduced by much, but even a small 
reduction has a large effect, because most of the money winds up being 
stolen by high placed leftists, rather than used to hire the river of 
meat.  The mobs are financed by what is left over, and a small reduction 
in the total means a large reduction in what is available to hire mobs.


Consider, for example, the mighty mob that protested the Keystone 
pipeline under Obama.


Remember all those mighty and entirely spontaneous protests demanding 
that the Obama regime do what it quite obviously wanted to do and was 
quite obviously looking for justifications for doing, protests demanding 
that the government block every form of energy production in every white 
country, which obstructions have made the US into an energy importer for 
sixty years or so.


And, of course, with deep reluctance the Obama regime would invariably 
yield to the justified and entirely spontaneous and genuine rage of the 
mighty masses. 


Overnight (well, over the first one hundred and fifty days of the Trump 
regime), the US became an energy exporter. Trump would repeal a 
regulation by executive order, and the next day coal miners would be 
digging coal, repeal another regulation, and the next day drillers would 
be pumping oil. One day he makes an executive order, the next day 
Americans in flyover country are back to work. The next day after that 
he makes another executive order, and the day after that, more Americans 
in flyover country are back to work.


You did not hear of this.

Probably because the mighty and justifiable enraged masses strangely 
failed to spontaneously show up to spontaneously demonstrate their might 
and spontaneous justified rage. They were always demanding that Obama 
shut down energy, but somehow, when Trump turns the energy policy of 
every previous Democratic and cuckservative president for the last sixty 
years arse over tit, no protests happen.


Funny thing that.

By increasing jobs in flyover country, and decreasing jobs in the big 
urban centers (his current tax bill soaks the big Democratic Party 
cities) Trump ensures that white males move to places where their votes 
are likely to make a difference, while the people living on crime and 
welfare are in big cities, which will vote democrat by ten to one, 
instead of five to one, so that though Democrats continue to import 
people to live on crime and welfare and voting Democrat, they don't 
actually effect the election outcome all that much, being wasted in 
voting districts that are already overwhelmingly Democratic.


Obama attempted to dump Islamic terrorists imported from Somalia on 
marginal electorates in flyover country, with some success, but they 
tended to up stakes and head for the bright lights of the big city, a 
far from marginal electorate.

Re: 2018 Clusterfuck Forecast

[juan]

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 18:32:19 -0800
Steven Schear  wrote:

> The way payment channels can be reasonably used enables fractional
> reserve abuses.


Are you sure? As far as I know,  one of the main selling points
of the LN is that it uses...bitcoins. So it's impossible to
open a channel/make a payment except by starting with an on
chain transaction. In other words, LN transactions are backed
1:1 with real bitcoins. 



> 
> On Jan 7, 2018 6:24 PM, "juan"  wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 17:38:02 -0800
> > Steven Schear  wrote:
> >
> > > Off-chain, once solid tech that isn't a
> > > backdoor for CBs and WS (as LN appears to be), should easily
> > > compete with VISA.
> >
> >
> > how is lightning network a backdoor for central banks?
> >
> >
> >

Re: 2018 Clusterfuck Forecast

[juan]

On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 01:57:02 +
"\\0xDynamite"  wrote:

> Yes, sorry.  I MEANT physical to mean precious metal or other
> impossible to reproduce material, not mere paper.


even physical government paper is better than cryptocurrencies
in a few ways. 




> 
> On 1/8/18, jam...@echeque.com  wrote:
> > On 1/8/2018 11:12 AM, \0xDynamite wrote:
> >> Totally HORRIBLE idea.  The idea of using a information code in
> >> place of a physical currency is the WORST idea ever.
> >
> > Surely the greenback was always an information code, and never
> > physical.
> >
> >

Re: 2018 Clusterfuck Forecast

[juan]

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 17:38:02 -0800
Steven Schear  wrote:

> Off-chain, once solid tech that isn't a
> backdoor for CBs and WS (as LN appears to be), should easily compete
> with VISA.


how is lightning network a backdoor for central banks? 

Re: Anarchocrapitalism, "libertardianism", et al.

[jamesd]

On Sun, Jan 07, 2018 at 06:16:02PM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote:

In consequence, if you unloaded a house after 2005 November, you
were necessarily unloading it onto someone who was a beneficiary of
an affirmative action mortgage.


On 1/7/2018 7:21 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

And since the game is rigged, the actual beneficiaries were mostly
the banks (they were bailed out after all), and those who sold their
houses and so cashed in on the general Investment Theatre, and "the
tax payer" foot the bill for those got in on the scam.  But the banks
were the most significant beneficiaries - they always are.


Lot of banks went bust, and were bailed out.  But in many cases, for 
example the biggest and villainous of them all, Countrywide, those 
running the bank lost their jobs, and their shareholders lost their 
investment.  https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Countrywide+mozilla&ia=web


Indymac bank (which held most of the Countrywide assets) was seized by 
the regulators.  Countrywide financial was sold to Bank of America 
Homeloans for four billion, which represented a huge loss to Countrywide 
shareholders, though not a total wipeout.


Meanwhile a whole lot of brown people and single women got to live in 
nice houses free for quite a while.


Yes, what was intended as a big handout to blacks, browns and single 
women, largely wound up in the pockets of white folk, myself among them, 
as such handouts tend to do.   But it was still a big handout to blacks, 
browns, and single women.

Re: 2018 Clusterfuck Forecast

[\0xDynamite]

Yes, sorry.  I MEANT physical to mean precious metal or other
impossible to reproduce material, not mere paper.

On 1/8/18, jam...@echeque.com  wrote:
> On 1/8/2018 11:12 AM, \0xDynamite wrote:
>> Totally HORRIBLE idea.  The idea of using a information code in place
>> of a physical currency is the WORST idea ever.
>
> Surely the greenback was always an information code, and never physical.
>
>

Re: 2018 Clusterfuck Forecast

[jamesd]

On 1/8/2018 11:12 AM, \0xDynamite wrote:

Totally HORRIBLE idea.  The idea of using a information code in place
of a physical currency is the WORST idea ever.


Surely the greenback was always an information code, and never physical.

Re: Personal attacks etc (was Re: USA: National Security Strategy...)

[Steve Kinney]

On 01/07/2018 07:24 PM, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
> 
>> > On 1/5/2018 3:49 AM, Marina Brown wrote:
>> > > The phenomenon i am talking about are "libertarians" who > > don't
>> care about personal liberty, freedom to travel, > > and other stuff
>> most of us on this list hold dear.
> 
>> On 01/04/2018 04:01 PM, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
>> > You don't seem terribly keen on the right of a white woman > to
>> stroll along the San Francisco dock with her father > without being
>> capriciously and whimsically murdered
>> > for being white.
>> >
>> > I see a whole lot of Silicon Valley's best people fleeing > the Bay
>> Area because of political repression and tribal violence.  > Is this
>> not a restriction on personal liberty
>> > and freedom of travel?
>> >
>> > Silicon Valley, like East Germany before the communists built  > >
>> the Berlin wall, is suffering massive loss of its best people
>> > wall, is suffering massive loss of its best people >  - for much the
>> same reasons
> On 1/8/2018 7:04 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:
>> Whining, whimpering, sniveling cowards are gonna whine, whimper and
>> snivel regardless:  Because I Feared For My Life is their license to
>> kill niggers and other Inferior Others 
> 
> If black people were being unreasonably killed by white people, or in
> the past used to be unreasonably killed by white people, you would have
> better poster boys than Trayvon Martin and Emmett Till.
> 
> And if women could do science, you would have better poster girls the
> Marie Curie.
> 
> And if white frat boys were raping coeds, you would have better poster
> girls than Jackie Coakley and Crystal Mangum.

Don't need "poster boys" and grrlz when we got folks who happily
volunteer to make racists look like exactly what they are:  Net total
losers.  As in, weak minded "born inferior" individuals.  Some of them
may have IQ scores in the triple digits, but the motivational basis of
their personalities remains infantile.  There's no fixing that.

I <3 the way 2017's big recruitment push by the alt-Reich ended in
ignominious defeat:  Your team folded up like a house of cards, due in
large part to the shallow, neurotic basis of your leadership cadres'
organizational thinking and methods.  It doesn't help that so many of
them present as natural born poster children for the "white trash"
stereotype.

After Charlottesville, spontaneous public turnouts against publicly
announced NeoNazi / KKK events outnumbered organized "Antifa" formation
turnouts by about 100 to 1.  Whine, whimper and snivel all you want:  No
matter how brave vs. arrogant a face you put on it, losers are losers
and a continued commitment to failure impresses nobody but your fellow
dead enders.

:o)








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Re: 2018 Clusterfuck Forecast

[Steven Schear]

Bitcoin Cash's 8 MBPS blocks offers has on-chain chain scaling sufficient
to enable substantial growth. 64 MB  blocks could handle as many txs/sec as
PayPal. Off-chain, once solid tech that isn't a backdoor for CBs and WS (as
LN appears to be), should easily compete with VISA.

On Jan 7, 2018 4:11 PM,  wrote:

> On 1/8/2018 8:48 AM, Steven Schear wrote:
>
>> In the medium-sized to long-term I've written off all crypto that serve
>> no useful function except, perhaps, as "digital gold" for asset safety.
>> Comparing BTC to national monies, how many would use a currency whose fee
>> "friction" made it impractical to use except as a replacement for Wire
>> transfers?
>>
>
>
> The intolerable fees reflect scaling limits.  If scaling not fixed,
> bitcoin will die.  If scaling fixed, bitcoin will likely replace national
> currencies.
>

Re: 2018 Clusterfuck Forecast

[\0xDynamite]

> In the medium-sized to long-term I've written off all crypto that serve no
> useful function except, perhaps, as "digital gold" for asset safety.

Totally HORRIBLE idea.  The idea of using a information code in place
of a physical currency is the WORST idea ever.

Marxos

Re: Personal attacks etc (was Re: USA: National Security Strategy...)

[jamesd]

> On 1/5/2018 3:49 AM, Marina Brown wrote:
> > The phenomenon i am talking about are "libertarians" who 
> > don't care about personal liberty, freedom to travel, 
> > and other stuff most of us on this list hold dear.


> On 01/04/2018 04:01 PM, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
> You don't seem terribly keen on the right of a white woman 
> to stroll along the San Francisco dock with her father 
> without being capriciously and whimsically murdered

> for being white.
>
> I see a whole lot of Silicon Valley's best people fleeing 
> the Bay Area because of political repression and tribal violence.  
> Is this not a restriction on personal liberty

> and freedom of travel?
>
> Silicon Valley, like East Germany before the communists built  > > the Berlin 
wall, is suffering massive loss of its best people
> wall, is suffering massive loss of its best people 
>  - for much the same reasons

On 1/8/2018 7:04 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:

Whining, whimpering, sniveling cowards are gonna whine, whimper and
snivel regardless:  Because I Feared For My Life is their license to
kill niggers and other Inferior Others 


If black people were being unreasonably killed by white people, or in 
the past used to be unreasonably killed by white people, you would have 
better poster boys than Trayvon Martin and Emmett Till.


And if women could do science, you would have better poster girls the 
Marie Curie.


And if white frat boys were raping coeds, you would have better poster 
girls than Jackie Coakley and Crystal Mangum.

Re: 2018 Clusterfuck Forecast

[jamesd]

On 1/8/2018 8:48 AM, Steven Schear wrote:
In the medium-sized to long-term I've written off all crypto that serve 
no useful function except, perhaps, as "digital gold" for asset safety. 
Comparing BTC to national monies, how many would use a currency whose 
fee "friction" made it impractical to use except as a replacement for 
Wire transfers?



The intolerable fees reflect scaling limits.  If scaling not fixed, 
bitcoin will die.  If scaling fixed, bitcoin will likely replace 
national currencies.

Fwd: [cryptome] Fire & Fury pdf

[Cecilia Tanaka]

A lovely reading to a lazy Sunday night, hihi...  :)

The archive seems perfect and very interesting, but some people are having
difficulties for downloading the book.  If it's your case and you really
want to read it, just send me a hello in private, please.

Douglas, if someone annoy you because of this book, you can say that *any
guilty is completely and exclusively mine*, OK?  :)

Being sincere, I will probably be dead or already living another
reincarnation before the North-American Justice send me any formal
notification about it.;P

Kisses, kisses, and more kisses!!!  <3

Ceci
--
"Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your
curiosity.  It's your place in the world; it's your life.  Go on and do all
you can with it, and make it the life you want to live."  -  Mae Jemison


-- Forwarded message --
From: "Douglas Rankine"
Date: Jan 7, 2018 18:55
Subject: [cryptome] Fire & Fury pdf
To: "Cryptome Mailing List"


see url: https://cryptome.org/2018/01/Fire-and-Fury.pdf

I found this file somewhere on the internet, I can't think where.  I
wouldn't advocate downloading it myself, as I wouldn't want to be served
with a "Cease and Desist" order, but one can read it, or excerpts from
it online,and I  most certainly wouldn't purchase such tripe from the
likes of Amazon, as I don't want to feed the author's and the subject's
craving for chocolate

Enjoy,

ATB

Dougie

Re: 2018 Clusterfuck Forecast

[Steven Schear]

In the medium-sized to long-term I've written off all crypto that serve no
useful function except, perhaps, as "digital gold" for asset safety.
Comparing BTC to national monies, how many would use a currency whose fee
"friction" made it impractical to use except as a replacement for Wire
transfers?

On Jan 7, 2018 2:40 PM, "g2s"  wrote:

> James Kunstler's cynical forecast includes BTC
>
> "Bitcoin and other cryptos have a superficial appeal as a wealth safe
> haven supposedly out-of-reach of avaricious governments — if you don’t
> consider everything else that’s wrong with it. (Yesterday, Dec 31,
> Australia’s biggest banks froze the accounts of Bitcoin investors.) I think
> the safe haven idea will prove fallacious. Governments are already finding
> ways to interfere, using taxation schemes and shutting down exchanges.
> Bitcoin’s other claims on “moneyness” look bogus as well. It’s too unstable
> to be a medium of exchange, and too difficult to even access when need to
> sell, and you certainly can’t price anything in it as it shoots up and
> crashes every day. Bitcoin went way up because people — or maybe just
> algorithms — saw it going way up, so they hitched a ride. The rush to the
> exits will be brutal. Its final resting place will be zero, but perhaps not
> without a trip or two to nosebleed levels in 2018, especially as other
> markets wobble in the first half of the year. Bitcoin $50-K wouldn’t
> surprise me. But I’m not among the buyers. Enjoy the show...:
>
> In full http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/forecast-2018-go-wrong/
>

2018 Clusterfuck Forecast

[g2s]

James Kunstler's cynical forecast includes BTC
"Bitcoin and other cryptos have a superficial appeal as a wealth safe haven 
supposedly out-of-reach of avaricious governments — if you don’t consider 
everything else that’s wrong with it. (Yesterday, Dec 31, Australia’s biggest 
banks froze the accounts of Bitcoin investors.) I think the safe haven idea 
will prove fallacious. Governments are already finding ways to interfere, using 
taxation schemes and shutting down exchanges. Bitcoin’s other claims on 
“moneyness” look bogus as well. It’s too unstable to be a medium of exchange, 
and too difficult to even access when need to sell, and you certainly can’t 
price anything in it as it shoots up and crashes every day. Bitcoin went way up 
because people — or maybe just algorithms — saw it going way up, so they 
hitched a ride. The rush to the exits will be brutal. Its final resting place 
will be zero, but perhaps not without a trip or two to nosebleed levels in 
2018, especially as other markets wobble in the first half of the year. Bitcoin 
$50-K wouldn’t surprise me. But I’m not among the buyers. Enjoy the show...:
In full http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/forecast-2018-go-wrong/

Re: Personal attacks etc (was Re: USA: National Security Strategy...)

[Steve Kinney]

On 01/04/2018 04:01 PM, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
> On 1/5/2018 3:49 AM, Marina Brown wrote:
>> The phenomenon i am talking about are "libertarians" who don't care
>> about personal liberty, freedom to travel, and other stuff most of us
>> on this list hold dear.
> 
> You don't seem terribly keen on the right of a white woman to stroll
> along the San Francisco dock with her father without being capriciously
> and whimsically murdered for being white.
> 
> I see a whole lot of Silicon Valley's best people fleeing the Bay Area
> because of political repression and tribal violence.  Is this not a
> restriction on personal liberty and freedom of travel?
> 
> Silicon Valley, like East Germany before the communists built the Berlin
> wall, is suffering massive loss of its best people - for much the same

Whining, whimpering, sniveling cowards are gonna whine, whimper and
snivel regardless:  Because I Feared For My Life is their license to
kill niggers and other Inferior Others (or hire it done via municipal
police forces) "on a whim."  They /cultivate/ fear and contempt for
their imagined racial inferiors, because every person who gets stomped
down for not being "white like me" is one less economic and social
competitor.

There's nothing wrong with folks like "jamesd" that adult supervision
from alert neighbors - and arming their potential victims just in case -
can't keep under control.  The whining, whimpering, sniveling
"professional victims" never use violence under circumstances where
there is a chance that they will face effective resistance, or
retaliation in kind.  They want helpless victims only.











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Re: [OT] [coderman] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

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On 01/07/2018 03:37 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> I do hope coderman is doing pretty good, feeling awesome, and
> simply left his Gmail account forever, but...  well...  I don't
> know if he is still alive or not, and I am feeling more stupid than
> usual for never telling him before how much I liked his messages...
> :'(
> 
> PS - OT:  - Thanks for all the lovely private and public messages
> giving me support, smiles, hugs, and good vibes.  I will answer
> with a huge delay for personal reasons, but I will *not* leave this
> list because I do have exactly the same right of being here than
> all the nazi scum. And if someone is annoyed about my "bunny"
> messages only, please, learn how to create filters.  It's very
> simple, easier and more efficient than having a hysterical public
> crisis.  Aff, hypocrisy is always so nasty and disgusting...  :((
> 
> 

You are so much fun ! Glad you are not leaving.

Wish the nazi scum would leave or eat something
that disagrees with them.

- -- Marina


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> -- Forwarded message -- From: Cecilia Tanaka
> mailto:cecilia.tan...@gmail.com>> To:
> coderman mailto:coder...@gmail.com>> Cc: Bcc:
>  Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 18:01:10 -0200 Subject: Hi, how are you?
> Still alive, please? Hi, coderman!  Hope you are still alive, doing
> good and feeling happy!  <3
> 
> I think you don't know me, but I used to love your messages on 
> CypherPunks discussion list.  Please, if possible, could you
> return to it?
> 
> I never wrote to you before because you would probably hate my 
> messages on the CP list and would think I do not deserve any 
> answer.  Well, I am a stupid girl, I admit, but I am sincerely 
> worried about your silence and your health.
> 
> A lot of people that I love, like, appreciate  (different grades
> of love and friendship)  is dying and it hurts me a lot.  I hope
> you are still alive and happy, please.
> 
> Take care and be well, please.  And if you need something I can 
> help, please, tell me.  Thank you for your old messages and sorry 
> for disturbing you.  <3
> 
> Ceci -- "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your
> creativity, or your curiosity.  It's your place in the world; it's
> your life.  Go on and do all you can with it, and make it the life
> you want to live."  -  Mae Jemison
> 
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[OT] [coderman] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

[Cecilia Tanaka]

I do hope coderman is doing pretty good, feeling awesome, and simply left
his Gmail account forever, but...  well...  I don't know if he is still
alive or not, and I am feeling more stupid than usual for never telling him
before how much I liked his messages...  :'(

PS - OT:  - Thanks for all the lovely private and public messages giving me
support, smiles, hugs, and good vibes.  I will answer with a huge delay for
personal reasons, but I will *not* leave this list because I do have
exactly the same right of being here than all the nazi scum.  And if
someone is annoyed about my "bunny" messages only, please, learn how to
create filters.  It's very simple, easier and more efficient than having a
hysterical public crisis.  Aff, hypocrisy is always so nasty and
disgusting...  :((


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-- Forwarded message --
From: Cecilia Tanaka 
To: coderman 
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 18:01:10 -0200
Subject: Hi, how are you? Still alive, please?
Hi, coderman!  Hope you are still alive, doing good and feeling happy!  <3

I think you don't know me, but I used to love your messages on CypherPunks
discussion list.  Please, if possible, could you return to it?

I never wrote to you before because you would probably hate my messages on
the CP list and would think I do not deserve any answer.  Well, I am a
stupid girl, I admit, but I am sincerely worried about your silence and
your health.

A lot of people that I love, like, appreciate  (different grades of love
and friendship)  is dying and it hurts me a lot.  I hope you are still
alive and happy, please.

Take care and be well, please.  And if you need something I can help,
please, tell me.  Thank you for your old messages and sorry for disturbing
you.  <3

Ceci
--
"Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your
curiosity.  It's your place in the world; it's your life.  Go on and do all
you can with it, and make it the life you want to live."  -  Mae Jemison

Re: Anarchocrapitalism, "libertardianism", et al.

[juan]

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 07:22:33 +1000
jam...@echeque.com wrote:

> On 1/7/2018 3:12 AM, juan wrote:
> > Didn't you understand a single word of what I explained to
> > you regarding the industrial scale crimes of the 'white race' ?
> 
> You are just fantasizing absurd justifications for white genocide.
> 
> We industrialized the entire world, we raised everyone's standard of 
> living immensely.


industrialized? You are the  retards responsible for the
electronic global surveillance state. How's that for a white
christian achievment?

and do you retard understand what the surveillance state means?
It means that you will get automatically droned because of the
racist garbage you spew. And before being droned all your
'property' will be automatically seized. 

And do you know who owns and controls the electronic
infrastructure to spy on and drone racist retards like you? Are
you able to take a half an educated guess? Why, the
infrastructure to drone retards like you is onwed by the all
white supreme scum eric schmidt (pure aryan nazi) and the
mostly white supreme scum fuckerberg and all the rest of the 
non-black non-brwon supreme ruling 'aristocracy'.

yes, your white race has done a very good job at creating the
most efficient totalitarianism the world will ever see.

> 
> We founded science.

yes, at the salem 'trials'

> 
> The slave trade consisted of us buying blacks who would otherwise
> have been eventually eaten by their black owners.  Colonialism
> consisted of us imposing order on disorder.
> 

Re: Anarchocrapitalism, "libertardianism", et al.

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sun, Jan 07, 2018 at 06:16:02PM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
> After 2005 November, it became very difficult to sell a house
> except to someone who had no assets, because the peak of the market
> was in sight.
> 
> In consequence, if you unloaded a house after 2005 November, you
> were necessarily unloading it onto someone who was a beneficiary of
> an affirmative action mortgage.

And since the game is rigged, the actual beneficiaries were mostly
the banks (they were bailed out after all), and those who sold their
houses and so cashed in on the general Investment Theatre, and "the
tax payer" foot the bill for those got in on the scam.  But the banks
were the most significant beneficiaries - they always are.

I've recently had the thought - when a loan is issued, the banks
somewhere in the system, issue or "print" the money for that loan;
when interest repayments are made, the bank makes a profit;
when capital repayments are made, the original money printed for the
loan, is "unprinted";
And so the question arises - when someone goes bankrupt and does not
repay the loan, that "printed" money may not get unprinted - if not,
then the monetary system is healthier, since more money is available
for other people to repay interest on their loans.

Now when a bank wipes off a bad debt, and "suffers" a "loss" for the
money they "printed", and then they are "bailed out" with more money
borrowed by the government and paid for by the tax payer, is the bank
double dipping, by getting paid for money they printed but did not
"wipe out upon repayment of loan"?

Re: Anarchocrapitalism, "libertardianism", et al.

[jamesd]

After 2005 November, it became very difficult to sell a house except to 
someone who had no assets, because the peak of the market was in sight.


In consequence, if you unloaded a house after 2005 November, you were 
necessarily unloading it onto someone who was a beneficiary of an 
affirmative action mortgage.

Re: Anarchocrapitalism, "libertardianism", et al.

[jamesd]

On 1/7/2018 9:52 AM, juan wrote:

that's right - you white male thieving shit had the intent of
passing the bag to other white males who were more stupid


I know who got the bag.

The taxpayer.

And the reason the taxpayer got the bag is that we, all of us, passed 
the bag to people protected by affirmative action.


And, starting 2005 November, we did so because, when the end came in 
sight, and it came in sight in 2005 November, only people protected by 
affirmative action would accept the bag from us.