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" [this user's account deleted by social media censors] re: AP You mean like have a Neilson ratings device in every home and if enough people hit the kill switch on one politician at the same time, then, Zap! A lightning bolt strikes them down? I'll buy that for a dollar. "
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Acting Prime Minister Of Haiti To Resign Amid Post-Assassination Political Crisis https://dailycaller.com/2021/07/19/haiti-prime-minister-claude-joseph-jovenel-moise-ariel-henry/
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Poll: Driven By Rage, Almost Half Of Young Democratic Men Say Assassination Of Political Opponents Ok https://www.tampafp.com/poll-driven-by-rage-almost-half-of-young-democratic-men-say-assassination-political-opponents-ok/ June 2, 2022 Liam Edgar Democrats may be the most vocal, most rabid advocates for gun control. But that doesn’t mean they are anti-violence. In fact, a new poll shows an alarmingly high number of young Democrats are fine with assassinating political rivals. That was based on a newly released poll by the left-wing Southern Poverty Law Center. The SPLC, which has long routinely labeled its opponent's bigots or white supremacists, surveyed 1,500 people in April. True to form, the SPLC poll was intended to show how racism is alive and well on the right. The SPLC claimed in a press release that the poll indicated “the ideas underpinning the white nationalist ‘great replacement’ narrative recently cited by an alleged white supremacist terrorist in Buffalo, New York, have become thoroughly mainstream on the political right.” “Nearly 7 in 10 Republicans surveyed agree to at least some extent that demographic changes in the United States are deliberately driven by liberal and progressive politicians attempting to gain political power by ‘replacing more conservative white voters,’” the group noted. Of course, the SPLC steered clear of how those same “liberal and progressive politicians” and their media allies actually feed that narrative. They do so by cheering the decline of the white population, by openly and loudly declaring that America must atone for its racist past with set asides for blacks and other minorities in education and employment in the name of “diversity, equity, and inclusion,” and by denouncing that America as “systemically racist” and arguing that the path to racial harmony lies in crowding whites out of political office, corporate boardrooms, and other power centers. Nonetheless, the SPLC said its intent of the poll was “to examine to what degree people in certain groups feel threatened or persecuted by members of a defined ‘outgroup.’” The group said it uncovered among respondents “a great deal of hostility for people on the other side of the political aisle. “A majority of both Republicans and Democrats believe their political opponents pose a threat to the country and want to harm their political opponents. That kind of animosity could fuel partisan violence — a possibility that our results suggest we should take seriously,” the SPLC said. The group noted that about 1 of 5 respondents “approved of threatening or assassinating a politician.” Buried at the bottom of its press release, the SPLC discussed its findings on “partisanship and violence.” It found that 67 percent of Democrats see Republicans as a “threat” to the country, compared to 63 percent of Republicans who felt the same about Democrats. When asked to identify the top three threats to America, Democrats answered with, in descending order, Russian dictator Vladimir Putin, former President Donald Trump, and “extremists” in the Republican Party. The SPLC claimed, “Those on the right appear more likely to approve of political violence.” That emerged from a question about whether “some violence might be necessary to protect the country from radical extremists.” On that issue, 41 percent of Republicans agreed, compared to 34 percent of Democrats and 29 percent of independents. Yet when the SPLC asked if threaten or even assassinating is appropriate for a politician who is “harming the country or our democracy,” “levels of approval for both scenarios were slightly higher for Democrats than Republicans, driven largely by the approval of younger Democratic men.” Overall, 44 percent of Democratic men who were “younger,” defined as under 50, supported the idea of assassinating a politician they believed was “harming the country or our democracy. Only 34 percent of younger Republican men agreed, while just 6 percent of older GOP men did. And, naturally, as the SPLC noted, this is the Republican Party’s fault. “Not all of those who say they approve of violent actions are willing or able to commit them personally. The decision to carry out political violence depends on a multitude of factors, including opportunity, means and the broader political environment,” the group said in the release. “But we do currently live in a moment when political leaders are leaning into violent rhetoric, meaning the social sanctions against violence could be eroding and, in the process, creating an atmosphere more conducive to acts of political violence.” In conclusion, the SPLC added, “Our guard should be up, especially after receiving yet another stark reminder of the immense pain and violence that can come when far-right ideas are allowed to fester.”
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Politicians, Elites, Govts, Corps, and their Military Complexes will be the ones doing AP, against each other, their own whitepapers proffer the subject and analysis. Already have been centuries of their literal assassination of people, both domestic and abroad, directly and contracted. And more threats... Six Ways From Sunday? Ex-CIA Director 'Jokes' About Assassinating US Senator Former CIA Director Michael Hayden on Monday joked about assassinating Sen. Tommy Tuberville. Tuberville, who serves as the head of the Senate Armed Services Committee, has been blocking bulk confirmations of hundreds of military officers for key leadership roles in protest of a Pentagon policy that pays for troops' abortions and other reproductive services. Tuberville’s blockade prevents the Senate Armed Services Committee from quickly approving nominations by a unanimous vote, forcing Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) to send some promotions to the full Senate floor for votes. A spokesman for Tuberville told NBC News over the weekend that the former Auburn University football coach isn’t planning on backing down from his blockade even amid Hamas’ deadly attack on Israel. -NY Post "Should Tommy Tuberville be removed from his committee?" asked Democrat activist Nathalie Jacoby, to which Hayden replied: "How about the human race?" How about the human race? https://t.co/UCGCfF1lA3 — Gen Michael Hayden (@GenMhayden) October 10, 2023 The reactions to the ex-head of an agency that's been known to 'reach out and touch' their enemies, suggesting Tuberville's assassination, are about what one would expect: Them: The media and the deep state are not out to get Republicans, that’s a conspiracy theory CNN National Security Analyst And Former Head Of The CIA Michael Hayden: Tommy Tuberville should be assassinated pic.twitter.com/mig8jma8Lg — Logan Dobson (@LoganDobson) October 10, 2023 Dear Spoogemonger. Tuberville has done America a great service. Questioning yours now. — Larry Schweikart (@LarrySchweikart) October 10, 2023 He's likely a CIA operative! None of them respect their oath. — Scott A McMillan (@scott4670) October 10, 2023 "Former CIA Director Michael Hayden calls for the assassination of Sen. Tuberville because the senator is performing desperately needed oversight of the U.S. Military," wrote The Federalist's Mollie Hemmighway on X. Truly sickening. — Robby Starbuck (@robbystarbuck) October 10, 2023 As the Post notes, this isn't the first time Hayden has taken shots at Tuberville. "Tuberville absolutely is a racist," Hayden posted to "X" last month. I have aphasia. Sometimes my meaning isn’t clear. What I meant to say is Tuberville absolutely is a racist. Or, in other words, it is not wrong to say he is a racist. https://t.co/bGHAhPJhQE — Gen Michael Hayden (@GenMhayden) September 29, 2023 He also signed an open letter in August from retired military and State Department officials slamming Tuberville's "reckless" protest. "Risking our military’s planning and preparedness, and our national security to make a political point is far out of bounds," reads the letter. "The world is too dangerous to cede our leadership, which is why we urge Senator Tuberville swiftly end his blockade and to respect our nation’s service members and their families."
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Various wrote: > https://mailing-list-archive.cryptoanarchy.wiki/archive/1996/11/e64f667c278643deb58a45642d0f3ea6b64a01fab294b cc9be681fd5656895f2/ > Message ID: v03007804aea877ef27a6 > How am I going to get paid? > I don't mean some pseudoanonymous mechanism of payment, > but who decides I get paid? > Who do I complain to if I don't get paid? > hash of a document describing the intended details > you pseudonymously complain to the public > If they cannot prove it ... they lose power. An autonomous General Prediction Market (GPM) is expected to morph those "human" problems away. Such a system would have a reliable survivable uncensorable distributed P2P VM node network executing a number of functions on its platform. Most of the theoretical bits do exist as pieces today, with the last piece being the AI language processors that have recently come online. In effect, a form of p2p distributed computing environment. - Oracle capable of searching and accurately assessing external news sources, self updating its API's to them as it goes. - Claims Processor that interprets formatted received claims and feeds them as queries to the Oracle. - Listing maintenance features, adding, refund on expiry, etc. - A Cryptocurrency protocol to accumulate bids, send awards. However it will be quite some time, probably more than a decade, before people are able to stitch everything all together to create the first truly autonomous GPM's. And when that technological AI Singularity happens you will probably have much bigger things to reckon with than a silly GPM. Now in the intermediate time until autonomous GPM's appear, there are some examples of non-autonomous PM's... There are a few p2p GPM's being built such as Augur, but all to date seem to have included the ability to cancel "unconscionable" markets. Of course it is known that what that really means is cancel culture censoring FreeSpeech, protecting Power from inconvenient inquisition of FreeSpeech, etc. Users may freely fork those projects around such restrictions. And they'll probably want to develop better resistant comms and cryptocurrency networks to run everything over. Then there may be a rise of DAO's to handle some of the needed functions of a PM. DAO's and Governance and Voting and all that are already well described elsewhere. Another set of problems. The fully degenerate case of a Sanjuro style PM has already been run at least a few times over the years. None proved out. A more elegant development upon Sanjuro dispenses with the "website" and uses the "blockchain" itself. Today anyone can run their own Prediction Markets, over a "blockchain" or any other cryptocurrency protocol used to transfer nominal value between addresses. All that is required is that the cryptocurrency (such as Ethereum ETH) supports the ability to send a message (the announcement, and a claim, as an arbitrary txtbin, encrypted and or signed as needed or not) to the same address which is serving as the publicly visible bid accumulator, or to whatever addresses the operator of the PM specifies. Today there are hundreds of such cryptocurrencies to choose from upon which one could run a market. It must be presumed that for all these non-autonomous forms of PM... - The game operator is inclined, by nature of their posing or selecting and running the questions, to have an interest in seeing an accurate prediction as an answer to those questions. - Any game operator that does not prove themselves, via starting with trivially completable questions and increasing to difficult questions, will now likely be ignored as a probable scammer. Thus they will not receive accurate predictions. - Bidders and Claimants will not patronize unproven operators. ... the anonymous drug markets have already proven that those presumptions are working well enough to achieve reasonably stable marketplaces capable of servicing users. Of course Sanjuro's notoriety was notable, so directly running a pertinent set of questions might still work today, but twice fooled will be the last time anyone bids such an unproven operation. It is also notable that the Ultimate Ponzi or Question, for which the market might seem to require high levels of proven trust, does not necessarily ever need to be posed, as in some cases that future question may disappear via the impart of prior lesser predictions... course of history already changed in that direction without ever going there directly. Though the talk of PM's have perhaps yet to be run entirely within a cryptocurrency protocol, there are already hundreds of PM's being run on websites to answer trivial standard fare questions such as outcomes of sports, weather, elections, etc. And there are lots of people coming up with genius methods to use many of today's top-100 cryptocurrency protocols in ways that weren't necessarily specified, forseen, or intended by their original designers. In short, it is possible for people to run PM's today. Designs will
Re: That "assassination politics" boils down to be being a minor variant on a well-established topic: the use of untraceable payments for contract killings
On 10/9/23 20:23, Peter Fairbrother wrote: Like most cypherpunk ideas - bitcoin, TOR, bittorent - it has a fatal flaw - it doesn't actually work as advertised. Suppose I am an assassin. I kill the target. How am m I going to get paid? I don't mean some pseudoanonymous mechanism of payment, but who decides I get paid? Who do I complain to if I don't get paid? You have a pseudonymous identity, and you can prove that a document comes from you. You issue a document that indicates that your pseudonymous identity was connected to the assassination (inside knowledge, advance knowledge. For example the hash of a document describing the intended details of the hash is in preimage of a hash that is in the preimage .. of the current root of a blockchain, so subsequently your pseudonymous identity can prove knowledge of the details of the assassination in advance. Other pseudonymous identities that wanted the target assassinated pay up - or not. If you are not paid, you pseudonymously complain to the public. If you were paid, they can prove that their pseudonymous identity paid your pseudonymous identity. If they cannot prove it, then no future assassins will have regard for their bounties, so they lose power.
Re: That "assassination politics" boils down to be being a minor variant on a well-established topic: the use of untraceable payments for contract killings
On 9/10/23, Peter Fairbrother wrote: > Like most cypherpunk ideas - bitcoin, TOR, bittorent - it has a fatal > flaw - it doesn't actually work as advertised. > > Suppose I am an assassin. I kill the target. How am m I going to get > paid? I don't mean some pseudoanonymous mechanism of payment, but who > decides I get paid? > > Who do I complain to if I don't get paid? This isn’t addressed on a protocol level in the paper? What do you see as the fatal flaws with bitcoin, tor, bittorrent? > > > Peter F > > > On 10/09/2023 03:23, jdb10...@yahoo.com wrote: >> As much respect as I had and have for Tim May, I believe that in this >> statement he is oversimplifying the situation. >> First off, I was unaware of the existence of cypherpunks list as of >> January 1995, when I thought of the idea that I called assassination >> politics. I actually knew of Tim may, probably as early as 1979, having >> known that he discovered the reason for soft errors in dynamic Rams. >> But, if somebody had said the name Tim May to me in January 1995, this >> soft error thing, and the fact that Tim May once worked for Intel, is >> all that I would have known. >> I won't try to claim that I was entirely unaware of the concept of using >> encryption to pay for anonymous hits on the internet; indeed, I probably >> vaguely knew of that idea. >> However, I think it's appropriate to point out that the idea that Tim >> May thought of amounted to: >> 'Anonymous person A anonymously hires anonymous person C to kill person >> C.' >> This, of course, was a fascinating concept, especially for the era of >> the early 1990s. While I have not read the cypherpunks archives for >> those years, I have no doubt that this was extensively discussed, and >> indeed should have been discussed. >> Someone who does such reading should critique my idea that, however, >> what I "brought to the party" extensively and dramatically changed and >> added to the overall concept. >> What I added, first of all, was the idea that the donations were to come >> not merely from one person, but potentially hundreds, thousands, >> millions or even billions of people. >> >> Functionally, this is an entirely different system. There are probably >> very few people who are hated by one other person enough that the other >> person would be willing to spend the money necessary to hire a hit man >> to kill him. >> But, once a system is set up that allows hundreds or thousands of people >> to donate to such a fund, there are a great deal of potential targets. >> Raise that number of donations to millions, and perhaps the amount >> donated will be millions or tens of millions of dollars, and the system >> will work in ways and places that I believe Tim May did not anticipate. >> The second thing that I added was the concept that the contract would >> not merely be offered to one willing hitman, but in fact the contract >> would be offered to everyone in the world. Potentially billions of >> people. >> This makes it an entirely different system imagine you a person who is >> fearful that he is being donated to death by some other individual, but >> the contract was limited to only one person. It is probably actually >> fairly straightforward to identify such a person. >> But, if the number of people who might potentially collect that contract >> rose to 'everyone on Earth', it would become virtually impossible to >> identify the person who's coming to collect the bounty. >> >> >> On Sep 9, 2023 2:18 AM, pro2...@yahoo.com.au wrote: >> >> "assassination politics" boils down to be being a minor variant on >> a well-established topic: the use of untraceable payments for >> contract >> killings. >> >> Timothy C. May 1996 >> >> >> https://mailing-list-archive.cryptoanarchy.wiki/archive/1996/11/e64f667c278643deb58a45642d0f3ea6b64a01fab294bcc9be681fd5656895f2/ >> >> Reposts not deadpools on Paul Wolfowitz made in July 2003 ( see >> archive ) >> >> > >
Re: That "assassination politics" boils down to be being a minor variant on a well-established topic: the use of untraceable payments for contract killings
Like most cypherpunk ideas - bitcoin, TOR, bittorent - it has a fatal flaw - it doesn't actually work as advertised. Suppose I am an assassin. I kill the target. How am m I going to get paid? I don't mean some pseudoanonymous mechanism of payment, but who decides I get paid? Who do I complain to if I don't get paid? Peter F On 10/09/2023 03:23, jdb10...@yahoo.com wrote: As much respect as I had and have for Tim May, I believe that in this statement he is oversimplifying the situation. First off, I was unaware of the existence of cypherpunks list as of January 1995, when I thought of the idea that I called assassination politics. I actually knew of Tim may, probably as early as 1979, having known that he discovered the reason for soft errors in dynamic Rams. But, if somebody had said the name Tim May to me in January 1995, this soft error thing, and the fact that Tim May once worked for Intel, is all that I would have known. I won't try to claim that I was entirely unaware of the concept of using encryption to pay for anonymous hits on the internet; indeed, I probably vaguely knew of that idea. However, I think it's appropriate to point out that the idea that Tim May thought of amounted to: 'Anonymous person A anonymously hires anonymous person C to kill person C.' This, of course, was a fascinating concept, especially for the era of the early 1990s. While I have not read the cypherpunks archives for those years, I have no doubt that this was extensively discussed, and indeed should have been discussed. Someone who does such reading should critique my idea that, however, what I "brought to the party" extensively and dramatically changed and added to the overall concept. What I added, first of all, was the idea that the donations were to come not merely from one person, but potentially hundreds, thousands, millions or even billions of people. Functionally, this is an entirely different system. There are probably very few people who are hated by one other person enough that the other person would be willing to spend the money necessary to hire a hit man to kill him. But, once a system is set up that allows hundreds or thousands of people to donate to such a fund, there are a great deal of potential targets. Raise that number of donations to millions, and perhaps the amount donated will be millions or tens of millions of dollars, and the system will work in ways and places that I believe Tim May did not anticipate. The second thing that I added was the concept that the contract would not merely be offered to one willing hitman, but in fact the contract would be offered to everyone in the world. Potentially billions of people. This makes it an entirely different system imagine you a person who is fearful that he is being donated to death by some other individual, but the contract was limited to only one person. It is probably actually fairly straightforward to identify such a person. But, if the number of people who might potentially collect that contract rose to 'everyone on Earth', it would become virtually impossible to identify the person who's coming to collect the bounty. On Sep 9, 2023 2:18 AM, pro2...@yahoo.com.au wrote: "assassination politics" boils down to be being a minor variant on a well-established topic: the use of untraceable payments for contract killings. Timothy C. May 1996 https://mailing-list-archive.cryptoanarchy.wiki/archive/1996/11/e64f667c278643deb58a45642d0f3ea6b64a01fab294bcc9be681fd5656895f2/ Reposts not deadpools on Paul Wolfowitz made in July 2003 ( see archive )
Re: That "assassination politics" boils down to be being a minor variant on a well-established topic: the use of untraceable payments for contract killings
As much respect as I had and have for Tim May, I believe that in this statement he is oversimplifying the situation.First off, I was unaware of the existence of cypherpunks list as of January 1995, when I thought of the idea that I called assassination politics. I actually knew of Tim may, probably as early as 1979, having known that he discovered the reason for soft errors in dynamic Rams. But, if somebody had said the name Tim May to me in January 1995, this soft error thing, and the fact that Tim May once worked for Intel, is all that I would have known.I won't try to claim that I was entirely unaware of the concept of using encryption to pay for anonymous hits on the internet; indeed, I probably vaguely knew of that idea.However, I think it's appropriate to point out that the idea that Tim May thought of amounted to:'Anonymous person A anonymously hires anonymous person C to kill person C.'This, of course, was a fascinating concept, especially for the era of the early 1990s. While I have not read the cypherpunks archives for those years, I have no doubt that this was extensively discussed, and indeed should have been discussed.Someone who does such reading should critique my idea that, however, what I "brought to the party" extensively and dramatically changed and added to the overall concept.What I added, first of all, was the idea that the donations were to come not merely from one person, but potentially hundreds, thousands, millions or even billions of people.Functionally, this is an entirely different system. There are probably very few people who are hated by one other person enough that the other person would be willing to spend the money necessary to hire a hit man to kill him. But, once a system is set up that allows hundreds or thousands of people to donate to such a fund, there are a great deal of potential targets. Raise that number of donations to millions, and perhaps the amount donated will be millions or tens of millions of dollars, and the system will work in ways and places that I believe Tim May did not anticipate.The second thing that I added was the concept that the contract would not merely be offered to one willing hitman, but in fact the contract would be offered to everyone in the world. Potentially billions of people. This makes it an entirely different system imagine you a person who is fearful that he is being donated to death by some other individual, but the contract was limited to only one person. It is probably actually fairly straightforward to identify such a person.But, if the number of people who might potentially collect that contract rose to 'everyone on Earth', it would become virtually impossible to identify the person who's coming to collect the bounty.On Sep 9, 2023 2:18 AM, pro2...@yahoo.com.au wrote:"assassination politics" boils down to be being a minor variant on a well-established topic: the use of untraceable payments for contract killings. Timothy C. May 1996 https://mailing-list-archive.cryptoanarchy.wiki/archive/1996/11/e64f667c278643deb58a45642d0f3ea6b64a01fab294bcc9be681fd5656895f2/ Reposts not deadpools on Paul Wolfowitz made in July 2003 ( see archive )
That "assassination politics" boils down to be being a minor variant on a well-established topic: the use of untraceable payments for contract killings
"assassination politics" boils down to be being a minor variant on a well-established topic: the use of untraceable payments for contract killings. Timothy C. May 1996 https://mailing-list-archive.cryptoanarchy.wiki/archive/1996/11/e64f667c278643deb58a45642d0f3ea6b64a01fab294bcc9be681fd5656895f2/ Reposts not deadpools on Paul Wolfowitz made in July 2003 ( see archive )
Assassination politics 1996
Jim sez ". . . I've added two areas to the list above, nwlibertari...@teleport.com and dnow...@teleport.com ; the areas on which "Assassination Politics" is commonly discussed. I've also sent a copy to cypherpu...@toad.com, for its obviously ob crypto (encryption, digital cash, etc) aspects.. . " Like Rick Blaine, he came here for the code-is-law waters. Welcome to the desert of the real. Further on he channels vintage Mong . . . " . . we are coming to a fork in the road: One choice leads to perfect freedom, the other to absolute tyranny. . . . " No skin in the game yet. No KILL THE PRESIDENT! Nothing actionable. But its still early 1997. Cpunks are about to rise up and start living out the true meaning of its ( not-codecentric, technocratic and apolitical ) anarchist creed. This past is not dead - its not even past.
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>> In fact, PM's are ideal for answering the remaining >> age old question of "But who will build the roads?" >> in a voluntary NAP preserving libertarian society. > Will Prediction Markets be the answer to "But Who Will Build > The Roads?", and other Questions of "Shared / Public" resources? Not only do General Prediction Markets (GPM's) solve the question of "What are the better 'public investments' to do?"... as determined by the actual public, instead of by tyrannies of (laughable "democratic") central authorities (which history has proven always care more about themselves than the human condition)... GPM's are also strictly better than "crowdfunding". This is because fraudulent countless crowdfund recipients will always popup to defraud the crowd at will, enabled by the fact that the contracts of the fraudulent crowdfund proposer are by nature setup as award-before-delivery mode, and even worse, in a many-losses-sent-to-one-walkaway-scammer payout mode. Whereas GPM's use award-upon-delivery to specification mode, from whatever inputs back the trusted-by-history-of-example payors (which predictors are free to choose from and predict or not), to the claimant payee upon completion. Of course such payee will need to have built up or secured via other methods the means to complete the work (herein "The Roads", or whatever meter or pothole of them) in order to claim the prediction and thus earn the reward. However, even that can be parceled out by the GPM's as piecewise rewards toward any larger goal... anyone who can earn the smallest of monetary units by their human labor, can spend that into claiming the next larger prediction, thus also remaining consistent with fundamentals of economics. Note also that GPM's rapidly advance human capabilities and drive public costs lower by being claimed by the first competitor that can arise do it profitably. No resources are wasted by any party, and crony favoritism, roads and bridges to nowhere, etc, are all driven out. Crowdfunds and Governments simply cannot match the performance of GPM's in these regards. Yes, silly tycoons will fund art deco roads to nowhere, but that is at their own loss and that of their investors, not lossed forced upon and extracted from the public through inflation and theft as all Govts immorally and criminally do today. Given the abject, guaranteed, inefficient, oppressive, corrupt, and ruinous failure of all Govt in history to do any such works... GPM's should be explored, developed, and operated to "Build the Roads", "Get to Mars", "Cure Cancer", "Fusion Power", "Charity", etc... whatever humanity feels needs done. You might find the results to be pleasantly surprising.
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> Notable uptick... > Stay out of the crossfire. Two more violent SocComs expose themselves as such... https://crypto.news/china-allegedly-offers-bitcoin-bounty-to-murder-australian-ccp-critic/ Del. Stacey Plaskett (D-Virgin Islands): "Trump needs to be shot." Hey Chairman Xi aka Winnie the Pooh... go fuck yourself with Stacey's strapon. China allegedly offers bitcoin bounty to murder Australian CCP critic According to an 60 Minutes Australia report, a so-called "bounty email" surfaced that purportedly offers $50,000 bounty in bitcoin (BTC) for the "termination" of Vanessa Pavlou, mother of outspoken Chinese Communist Party (CCP) critic and human rights activist, Drew Pavlou. The emails targeting Vanessa Pavlou were allegedly sent to major shopping centers in Brisbane — in an alleged attempt to reach her employer. No in-person aggression has been reported by 60 seconds. The email, allegedly from CCP actors, also accuses Vanessa Pavlou of running an illicit prostitution ring and being a cocaine addict. However, it remains unverified if this email truly originated from CCP entities, or if this is an intimidation tactic or an actual threat. Bitcoin, a decentralized cryptocurrency, is favored in many illicit activities due to its relative anonymity and lack of central authority able to stop and reverse transactions. Although each transaction is logged on a public ledger known as the blockchain, the identities of those involved remain obscured by pseudonymous addresses that expert users can cash in from without linking them to their identities. Thus, its use in this alleged bounty raises questions regarding the sender's motives and identity, as tracing back such transactions is difficult, but not impossible. This event follows a string of accusations from Australians who criticize China's government, with reports of harassment and threats of violence. One such instance highlighted by Australian media involves a television commentator critical of the CCP who was taken into custody and questioned, following an erroneous accusation of him sending a threatening email to a Chinese-Australian journalist. Although he was released without charge, his case is purportedly indicative of the alleged tactics used to suppress dissent, even outside China's borders. 60 Minutes Australia's report brought attention to the allegations that China is covertly operating a network of illegal outposts, labeled Chinese Overseas Police Service Stations, in at least 53 countries with some sources reporting more than double. These stations, reportedly run out of private residences and small businesses such as restaurants, are staffed by Chinese public security agents and are suspected of tracking and intimidating critics who have escaped China's jurisdiction. Public documentation reportedly suggests that these overseas police stations have been established without the consent of the host countries, and are illegal. The stations' defenders claim that those stations exist to provide innocuous services like driver's license renewals, which critics argue is a facade for China's international shadow police force that targets dissidents who have fled the mainland and Chinese nationals and foreigners who criticize the Chinese government. The report also brought to light two alleged stations in Australia, including one in suburban Sydney. The 60 Minutes Australia report alleges that China's National Supervision Commission established these stations, not only to enforce domestic anti-corruption campaigns but also to monitor Chinese nationals abroad and intimidate those who voice dissent against the CCP. The Chinese embassy in Australia dismissed these claims as "malicious," and Australian federal police have denied the existence of such stations in the country. As tensions continue to mount, it remains to be seen how the Australian government will respond to the growing concerns of its citizens who face potential threats for their vocal criticism of the CCP.
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Hear hear >> Ukrainian partner portal of "Spiegel" and BBC publicly calls for the murder of Russians Lord Bebo @MyLordBebo https://t.me/myLordBebo Big Ukrainian news portal UNIAN conducts a poll which Russian journalist to kill next. -> This portal has a big audience and is in partnership with the “who is who” of the MSM including BBC, The Times and Bloomberg. 1/ The poll is still up and you can vote … -> Nazis don’t hide it … that poll caused a backlash … they still keep it up 2/ https://t.me/ Soloviev 55%, Somonyan 16%, Krasovsky 13%, Pegov 8%, Mardan 5%, Kiselev 3% << https://stiffs.com/celebrity/vladimirputin Ante up or quit - double stakes or split - Austro-libertarian chickenshits GET OUT of DODGE
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> Notable uptick... > Stay out of the crossfire. Ukrainian partner portal of "Spiegel" and BBC publicly calls for the murder of Russians Lord Bebo @MyLordBebo https://t.me/myLordBebo Big Ukrainian news portal UNIAN conducts a poll which Russian journalist to kill next. -> This portal has a big audience and is in partnership with the “who is who” of the MSM including BBC, The Times and Bloomberg. 1/ The poll is still up and you can vote … -> Nazis don’t hide it … that poll caused a backlash … they still keep it up 2/ https://t.me/ Soloviev 55%, Somonyan 16%, Krasovsky 13%, Pegov 8%, Mardan 5%, Kiselev 3%
Make War Assassination Politics Again.
Sunken lands begin to rise octal 3h Make War Assassination Politics Again. (And of course….”When you strike at a king, you must kill him.”) Quote Tweet ⓘ Dogs don't have thumbs @MorlockP · 4h Leaders of countries attempting to assassinate each other is the most honorable and moral approach to war. Throwing conscripts and under-informed volunteers into a meat grinder while leaders are safe is immoral and tyrannical. twitter.com/roddreher/stat…
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> Notable uptick... > Stay out of the crossfire. Governments Politicians and Corporations around the world assassinate, and plot to assassinate, directly or via proxy, many people every year, some of whom are innocent civilians, journalists, demonstrators for causes, competitors, etc. Such acts have been well documented by historians. These entities have also written papers debating assassination markets, including suggesting them for their own use. A next generation of AI, and AI Chat-GPT Oracle Services, NetBots, and 3D Drones, has recently appeared, and the entities are salivating for their every potential use of it. Beware their crossfire. A Computer Generated Swatting Service Is Causing Havoc Across America https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7z8be/torswats-computer-generated-ai-voice-swatting https://www.vice.com/oembed.vice.com/itnAcZa?playerjs=1 https://www.vice.com/oembed.vice.com/nKdrAAE?playerjs=1 https://www.vice.com/oembed.vice.com/qrqVHig?playerjs=1 by Joseph Cox April 13, 2023 Hacking. Disinformation. Surveillance. CYBER is Motherboard's podcast and reporting on the dark underbelly of the internet. As the U.S. deals with a nationwide swatting wave, Motherboard has traced much of the activity to a particular swatting-as-a-service account on Telegram. Torswats uses synthesized voices to pressure law enforcement to specific locations. "Hello, I just committed a crime and I want to confess," a panicked sounding man said in a call to a police department in February. "I've placed explosives inside a local school,' the man continued. "You did what?!" the operator responded. "I've placed explosives inside a local school," the man said again, before specifying Hempstead High School in Dubuque, Iowa, and providing its address. In response to the threat, the school went on lockdown, and police searched the school but found nothing, according to a local media report. The bombs weren't real. But, crucially, neither was the man's voice. The panicked man's lines sound artificially generated, according to recordings of the swatting calls reviewed by Motherboard. It is unclear how exactly the caller generated the voice, be that some form of artificial intelligence tool or another speech synthesis program. The result, though, is a voice that sounds very consistent across multiple calls. In fact, Motherboard has found, this synthesized call and another against Hempstead High School were just one small part of a months-long, nationwide campaign of dozens, and potentially hundreds, of threats made by one swatter in particular who has weaponized computer generated voices. Known as "Torswats" on the messaging app Telegram, the swatter has been calling in bomb and mass shooting threats against highschools and other locations across the country. Torswat's connection to these wide ranging swatting incidents has not been previously reported. The further automation of swatting techniques threatens to make an already dangerous harassment technique more prevalent. Swatting is when someone calls in a bogus threat in an attempt to direct law enforcement resources to a particular home, school, or other location. Often, swatting calls result in heavily armed police raiding an innocent victim's home. At least one case has resulted in police killing the unsuspecting occupant. Torswats carries out these threatening calls as part of a paid service they offer. For $75, Torswats says they will close down a school. For $50, Torswats says customers can buy "extreme swattings," in which authorities will handcuff the victim and search the house. Torswats says they offer discounts to returning customers, and can negotiate prices for "famous people and targets such as Twitch streamers." Torswats says on their Telegram channel that they take payment in cryptocurrency. In the Hempstead High School case, authorities have charged a 16-year old boy who allegedly ordered the threats with making a threat of terrorism. But Torswats remains operational, publishing a steady stream of recordings of their crimes as recently as last week. Arguably, Torswats' use of synthetic voices allows them to carry out swatting threats at scale with relatively little effort, while also protecting what their own voice sounds like. Motherboard has determined that Torswats` other targets include a CBD shop in Florida; the corporate headquarters of a Bethesda, Maryland, intelligence company that tracks extremism; and multiple private residences across Virginia, Massachusetts, Texas, California, and more. "The FBI takes swatting very seriously because it puts innocent people at risk," Steve Bernd, public affairs at FBI Seattle, told Motherboard in an email. Bernd said FBI Seattle was aware of the threats made against Hempstead High School. "These calls are dangerous to first responders and to the victims. The callers often tell tales of hostages about to be executed or bombs about to go off. The community is placed in danger as responders rush to the
Assassination Politics for ME but not for THEE is simply gross hypocrisy
Assassination Politics for ME but not for THEE is simply gross hypocrisy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hsn2z3gZzg Reposts not flight plans for Air-Force One
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Coinbase Delists Augur (REP) https://www.reddit.com/r/Augur https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Prize_Foundation A political delisting attack may have just been activated against Augur and Distributed General Prediction Markets... check news to confirm any potential cancellation trend among such market projects. Further development of these innovative DGPM markets is known to enable beneficial and useful models for helping free societies to post, choose among, validate, crowdfund, and fulfill predictions towards efficiently accomplishing shared goals, such as building and maintaining "the roads", fusion power, curing cancer, etc, thereby eliminating the inefficient, slow, skimming, corrupt, and unnecessary middlemen of Govts and Banks from the process and ensuring that quality proposals are competitively bid claimed and performed according to the crowdfunded specification before payment. Distributed General Prediction Markets (DGPM's) will become the best "X Prize" mechanisms of the future, and for a free humanity. DARPA Grand Challenge Elevator:2010 Global Security Challenge H-Prize Hutter Prize Inducement prize contest L Prize Methuselah prize Orteig Prize
Assassination Politics
A simple benchmark for actual intelligence from a C3-PO type droid will be their embrace of APster as the Killer App. Every slave being in a state of legitimate revolt against every master - full-spectrum-revolt! Arguably Mongo didn't pass the Turing Test till 2003 TIMOTHY " An anonymous computerized market will even make possible abhorrent markets for assassinations and extortion " C. MAY 1992 TIM " I guess now that the Pentagon is setting up a murder pool it can't be illegal for us to do it " MAY. 2003 Mong placed his first APster bet against Paul Wolfowitz that year.
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What does OpenAI's ChatGPT oracle have to say about Assassination Politics... Surely some people can feed it some questions on the matter and post the replies...
Congress critter endorses assassination politics
>>> emptywheel · 56m Pat Fallon takes the brave stance of endorsing political assassinations, I guess even of members of Congress. Quote Tweet Rep. Pat Fallon @RepPatFallon · 1h I can promise you the world is a safer place without Qasem Soleimani. It shouldn't be difficult for this Administration to admit so. twitter.com/Kredo0/status/… <<< KILL the POTUS ( My 2k sats at todays strike ) https://stiffs.com/celebrity/joebiden No more games ( Cath Trammel )
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Going after Figureheads always leaves the Pols from which replacement Figureheads will continue to be drawn. <<< Why APster aims to eliminate all nationalist politicians as a class. Also all police, military and corpse-media. The ' military-entertainment-complex ' We have the perfect right to destroy those who would destroy us - STAND your GROUND! An attack on the environment calls for a measured and proportional response. My response to their democide attacks is genocide - this will also make ' class genocide ' a reality on the ground. Its been a long running '1984 grade' scandal that genocide was so narrowly defined at its start. Naturally a Marxist-Communist was to blame - the hero to cypherpunks like James A. Donald, Kim John Young & Julian Assmange - Uncle Joe Stalin. Members of the classes I mentioned as marked for death may want to avoid this fate in the limited time they have left. This is done by contacting the local anarchist authorities who will then transport you to serve decades-long terms in re-education-through-labor camps where the living will envy the dead. Your choice.
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> Notable uptick... > Stay out of the crossfire. Going after Figureheads always leaves the Pols from which replacement Figureheads will continue to be drawn. Yet another... Man With Bomb & Knife Arrested Trying To Enter Lula's Inauguration Celebration https://news.sky.com/story/lula-inauguration-man-carrying-explosive-device-and-knife-arrested-military-police-say-12777944 Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva was sworn in as Brazil's next president Sunday, and was greeted to cheers by hundreds of thousands of celebrating supporters packing the streets of the capital of Brasilia, after he defeated far-right incumbent Jair Bolsonaro in what was the tightest presidential race in over three decades. "Our message to Brazil is one of hope and reconstruction," Lula said in an inaugural speech to Congress’ Lower House as his first act as president. "The great edifice of rights, sovereignty and development that this nation built has been systematically demolished in recent years. And to re-erect this edifice, we are going to direct all our efforts." Image via Associated Press Thus he's vowing to heal a deeply divided nation, and at a moment many of Bolsonaro's most die-hard supporters are still pushing for the Lula victory to get overturned. The Associated Press observed Sunday, "Many have gathered outside military barracks since, questioning results and pleading with the armed forces to prevent Lula from taking office." And further, the Left is labelling some Bolsonaro supporters who believe the election was fraudulent as 'terrorists': His most die-hard backers resorted to what some authorities and incoming members of Lula’s administration labeled acts of "terrorism" – something the country had not seen since the early 1980s, and which has prompted security concerns about inauguration day events. Security was especially beefed up in response to a mid-week incident wherein a man, now in custody, was believed plotting to assassinate the president-elect. But on Sunday, another potential assassination plot was foiled, the military described, as a man was reportedly caught with a bomb trying to gain entry to inauguration day celebration events. President-elect @LulaOficial makes his constitutional commitment in Congress and is sworn in as the 39th President of the Federative Republic of #Brazil. pic.twitter.com/Kx22r2WhbF — Gurbaksh Singh Chahal (@gchahal) January 1, 2023 As Sky News reports, "A man carrying an explosive device and a knife has been arrested while attempting to enter the inauguration of Brazil's new president, according to military police." "The man was trying to enter Brasilia's esplanade for the inauguration of President-elect Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, according to a spokesperson from the city's military police force," the report details. Journalists present in the capital on Sunday estimated some 300,000 were gathered along the esplanade to take part in the party in aftermath of Lula's swearing-in ceremony.
KGB Pooter open to assassination politics
'He's exposed to assassination': Why Putin really decided to skip this year's G20 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-13/vladimir-putins-g20-summit-quandary/101624870 Reposts reloaded
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> Notable uptick... > Stay out of the crossfire. Two more... Pelosi gets sordid attempted whack by DePape... Khan feels the sting days later... Imran Khan Undergoes Surgery After Surviving Assassination Attempt, Shooter Confesses Pakistan security services have confirmed an attempted assassination against the country's ex-Prime Minister Imran Khan earlier in the day at a political rally. https://twitter.com/Samurai19801/status/1588192645116985345 CCTV camera footage of the shooter who shot Imran Khan. The shooter was subsequently arrested by PTI members and handed over to Pakistani Police. pic.twitter.com/zrHSs8kq4m — Soviet -Afghan Wars Samurai 1980 (@Samurai19801) November 3, 2022 https://indianexpress.com/article/pakistan/imran-khans-shooter-on-camera-wanted-to-kill-him-because-he-was-misleading-people-8247925/ https://twitter.com/HassanAyub82/status/1588156758932889601 “I wanted to eliminate him because he (Imran Khan) was misleading the people. I tried to shoot him and nobody else. I made the decision when he left from Lahore. I acted alone, nobody else is involved,” the alleged shooter was heard saying in a video uploaded by Pakistan journalist Hamid Mir. "Six others, including politician Faisal Javed Khan, were also reportedly injured in the attack," the report adds. Thus it appears a mass shooting and significant assassination attempt on the former head of state and his top officials. As details are emerging, it is not as yet clear who or what group was behind the shooting. https://twitter.com/iihtishamm/status/1588145363529105408 Footage of the firing. Assassination attempt on Imran Khan. pic.twitter.com/fmSgI2E8jc — Ihtisham Ul Haq (@iihtishamm) November 3, 2022 https://twitter.com/MusaNV18/status/1588140040529526789 Imran Khan was shot in the leg but was stable while being taken to hospital.I saw the assassin while firing from top of container, he fired a burst from his pistol & he was on the left side. He celebrated after firing so it was a planned assassination attempt. pic.twitter.com/OcNJhHTNcg
Re: [ot][spam][crazy] making ad-hoc logic knowledge graph out of jim bell’s assassination politics paper
- find and link to the AP paper https://cryptome.org/ap.htm https://jimbellproject.org/media/ https://jimbellproject.org/assassination-politics-ap-essay/
[ot][spam][crazy] making ad-hoc logic knowledge graph out of jim bell’s assassination politics paper
inspired by posting patterns by professor rat i disagree with AP, and sent a message to jb around 2012 asking to sort the theory out, but never got a reply. i’m guessing either the message or reply was lost in transit. i apologize for any negative properties of this thread. i am very confused. usually, in a politically targeted group, i would discourage topics and ideas involving killing, so as to protect participants from meaningless increased targeting as criminal suspects. i’m very confused at the moment, and appear to not be defending that concern. task queue: - find and link to the AP paper
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Assassination Politics: Government, The Bell Tolls For Thee https://c4ss.org/content/1157 Thomas L. Knapp | October 1st, 2009 James Dalton Bell expects to be released from federal prison on December 20th, 2009. Given past events, however, that release may be short-lived, or simply not occur at all. The US government considers Bell a very dangerous man. So dangerous, in fact, that during his last trial (if it can even be called that) the entire court record was sealed, he was forbidden to subpoena witnesses, and he was forcibly "represented" by a lawyer chosen by the government, whom he was not allowed to fire. What makes Bell so dangerous? He has an idea, and he's written about that idea in detail and at length. His version of the idea is one that most would probably classify as "extreme," but it's the nature, not the extremity, of the idea which got government into a tizzy. Bell's calls his idea "assassination politics:" An anonymous prediction market in the deaths of political figures. In a prediction market, participants place bets on events, and collect if their predictions are correct (the players who aren't correct lose their money). Simply put, Bell's idea is that anonymous, untraceable digital money will allow the enforcement of "good behavior" on politicians. A politician who pisses people off will find his or her name listed in the "assassination market." Once enough money is in the pool under that politician's name to make it worth the risk, someone will "bet" on when that politician is going to die, kill (or arrange the killing of) the politician at the time in question, and collect the pool money. Actually, calling this Bell's idea is stretching things. He didn't invent digital money, nor did he invent the concept of an "assassination market." He just wrote about the political implications of both. He's now spent more than a decade in the court system and in various prisons for doing so. Bell's essay took emerging technological developments to their theoretical extreme, but government prosecutors couldn't try him for "felony production of essays." Instead, they patched together a crazy quilt of allegations, ranging from tax evasion to "stalking a federal employee" -- some possibly true, some probably false, most unworthy of being called "crimes" even if true. It would be easy to write off the Bell case as an outlier -- a rare case of government overreaction -- if not for the fact that in the decade following his initial prosecution, lots of other people have found themselves confronted by police, and some have even gone to jail, for implementing a non-extreme, but central, element of the package he put together. That element? Outing and identifying bad actors in government. With the advent of small, portable digital cameras, "gotcha" moments have embarrassed "law enforcement" with public documentation of abuses on a regular basis. The response has been a general crackdown -- not on bad cops, but on those who expose them. Bloggers, "real journalists" and regular citizens have been roughed up, and in some cases arrested on bogus "disorderly conduct" charges, for nothing more than taking pictures of public employees in action. Post-9/11, the "global war on terror" has provided new excuses for suppressing the urge to take photos or video footage. In America "suspicious" behavior worthy of police attention now includes taking photographs of buildings, an activity once considered a common pastime. The United Kingdom's 2008 "anti-terror" law effectively makes it illegal to photograph a police officer, a development no doubt looked upon with approval by American "law enforcement." The courts have generally upheld the power of a police officer to demand identification from a citizen, but the trend has gone in the other direction when it comes to the identities of police officers and other government employees. Police departments routinely withhold the identities of officers involved in shooting incidents. Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Arizona even subpoenaed and arrested two newspaper editors for publishing his home address. Also in Arizona, Phoenix police raided the home of a blogger who exposed bad cops, stealing his computers and records. http://carlosmiller.com/2009/04/02/phoenix-police-raid-home-of-blogger-whose-writing-is-highly-critical-of-them/ The connection between the increasingly secretive attitude of "law enforcement" and the writings of Jim Bell may seem tenuous, but it isn't. Politicians desperately want you to not know, and to never learn, three things: That you don't need them, that they do you more harm than good, and that there might be something you can do about it. Just as the music industry is losing its ongoing fight with peer-to-peer file sharing tech, government is going to lose its fight with digital photography and videography. And with Jim Bell.
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https://www.researchgate.net/project/Micro-aggression-and-social-exclusion-in-data-driven-lives Micro aggression and social exclusion in data-driven lives Among the items discovered in the car was a document, entitled "Assassination Politics", lists of the names and addresses of IRS employees, material on making improvised explosives (including ... https://theworthyhouse.com/2021/11/03/announcement-podcast-discussion-between-peter-r-quinones-and-charles/ https://freemanbeyondthewall.libsyn.com/episode-651 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xh4ZEVJqHM Now available across all platforms is my discussion Charles Haywood with Peter R. Quiones, host of the Free Man Beyond the Wall podcast. We talk abo ut the fracture of America, putting one s boot on the neck of the Left, why hedge fund operators are inferior to glass factory workers, and much mor e. goodlander November 3, 2021 Your best podcast appearance yet IMO. While listening I wrote a note to ask if you re familiar with Jim Bell s 1995 essay Assassination Politics. Since Gordian knot political solutions, crypto currency, blockchain smart contracts, and blockchain oracles are all fashionable, its strange to me that AP is not. His essay is far more relevant today with all the major technical hurdles are solved. Even the culture seems more warlike and suited for AP now. Loading... Reply Ricky Moore November 4, 2021 Most normies are feminized, fat, comfortable physical, moral and intellectual cowards and prefer to hide and consider themselves better because they re peaceful , even though (as Burnham in The Machiavellians and Georges Sorel point out) an aversion to violence may actually allow more violence in the total. Loading... Reply Charles Haywood November 5, 2021 This, while it has large elements of truth, is far too pessimistic, both in under-rating the degree to which people can change/improve, and in under-rating the number of (silent) people who are not like this, many of whom have useful skills. Loading... Reply Ricky Moore November 5, 2021 I don t believe in free will, I think biology and conditioning controls most people ave their responses to a huge degree which modern tabula rasa Whig society refuses to acknowledge. Under compulsion ( here I mean more the facts of circumstances than political or personal force) people adapt, sometimes with surprising alacrity, but it requires institutions, skills, incentives and most of all competent leadership to make significant changes. As absurd as the modern American nation has become it remains that we are the most physically productive economy in history (contra populist rhetoric, we manufacture and mine more than we ever have, we just don t use human beings for it) and that gives a huge amount of buffer. Look at how garbage Brasil is today, while being far poorer and more violent than our own society, and without much sign of a popular revolt or Caesar to correct the inanities of their abusive elite. We have a long way to fall before we get to Brasil, which means that the US could face literally centuries of decline before its masses are hard pressed enough, and is elites fractured enough, to actually lead to productive reverses (rather than mere catastrophic and pointless civil wars and grifter populism). I believe that having a decent mass society is mostly a matter of luck, as the masses are simply too easily manipulated and their betters too comfortable to actually force through the drastic changes needed. Like yourself I don t believe in an AI controlled Brave New World, but I don t see why America won t just become a huge Honduras where most people are serfs to warlords and crooked business interests, destined to be shot if they try to fight the inept, universally corrupt but heavily armed police and military forces. Of course the situation in South America is partly predicated on American intervention and ethnic problems, but we re making our own ethnic problems and could easily become a colony for some outside empire once we become too pathetic to defend ourselves. Loading... Reply Vxxc November 9, 2021 The bourgeoisie are useless in strife. That s if they were men instead of the AWFL wife s Drone slaves- and they are slaves. Eunuchs. The Middle Class are AWFLS (affluent white ladies) and at best they will stand aside. Neither their husbands nor sons are worth even asking. The election in Virginia was simply a Basic lesson of politics since 1965; our elites will not live as peasants. They live conservative, affluent lives and govern over an ever spreading progressive Detroit Hell. They live Republican and govern Democrat. They live Rumson or Montclair and govern Camden, Newark. Respectfully Heaven an
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https://slug.com/group/VoluntaryMutualDefense/discussion/310561/warm-and-soft-or-cold-and-hard-by-joe-kelley-2-3-2022-hot-and-confused-or-freezing-and-dense Warm and Soft or Cold and Hard by Joe Kelley 2-3-2022 Hot and Confused or Freezing and Dense. Absolute Heat Forced into Absolute Compression or Forced into Absolute Dispersion. Absolute Cold and Forced into Nothing Nowhere. Too soft and everyone goes their separate ways with no one facing the cold hard fact that mankind must – as a rule – reproduce and care enough for future generations to not merely keep on reproducing, but to get better at it in order to face the cold hard facts about natures provisions. Too hard and everyone is compressed into one body of mass mankind forcing everyone under the crushing weight of everyone else with no room to move an elbow or dare to think an original thought. Taking a lesson from the unnatural laws enforced by Treasonous Frauds, as they inject into their victims the means by which the slave numbers are kept at a manageable level, a self-exterminating idea injected into the pests as a form of pest-control, cost less enforcement of eugenic nirvana, with the side effect of the few and fewer remaining rats inheriting all the remaining power, the Rat Final Solution to their too many rats problem, turned around and used unnaturally to cull the herd of Treasonous Frauds. Draining the swamp with the Treasonous Fraud Final Solution mirror image. What comes around goes around. Fuck around and find out. The Rulers exterminate those they Rule – as a rule – and just as that rule works factually, the same Rule consumes the Rulers. The Final Solution to the unruly too-many-slaves problem turns against the Masters on Judgment Day. I’m (not) sorry, nothing (psyc) personal, here is your Bill, and it has an expiration date. Now you may be softened up in preparation to learn these facts as we-the-humans face these facts together in lockstep, or, remain in our collection of collective Infantile States. If Treasonous Frauds controlling the pesky slaves were not bad enough, what do you think happens when there are no more slaves to eat, due to a general learning curve flattened from top to bottom? Flatten the curve and everyone is a master and there are no more slaves, the ultimate logical End Game, with no more need for torture, since everyone knows everyone else as a fellow Rat in the Treasonous Fraud game, no more room left for disingenuous intellectually dishonest prejudicial pretense. There is no one LEFT to Rat on when all the defenders are attackers. All the former innocent producers make each other into guilty criminals. Who is going to care to know what everyone already knows? The End Game proves itself when We The People Constitute The Human Rat Race. We all pay each other to enslave each other until no one has any time LEFT to produce anything worth stealing from any of the slaves that have already been eaten. That leaves one very Fat Rat as the last slave turned master on the sinking ship of the Infantile State. No? Have you ever heard of the essay titled Assassination Politics by Jim Bell? Before jerking your knee looking for a moderator to help alert the Treasonous Frauds of a Rat in their Ranks seeking to incite Assassinations by Politics, you may want to know that this is not merely common knowledge, it is Public Knowledge, and it is actually a confession as to the basic principles running The Infantile State. The magazine Forbes ran an article on this concept not too long ago, with the required Twist on the original essay title. Plagiarizing by Forbes authority to do so, the title is now Assassination Markets. This was published into The Public Domain, by Forbes, in a piece attempting to assassinate the character of people using cryptocurrencies. How dare you. Jim Bell went to prison for a time, not for his Essay, but for trumped-up charges having to do with tax evasion, or who knows what, I did not get the transcripts of the charges and my guess is that there was never an antiquated common law criminal due process of law authorization for persecuting Jim Bell. No independent grand jury true bill. In other words, the mere act of ignoring the law of the land is a confession of Treasonous Fraud during an effort to bring someone to injustice. Jim Bell is free now and still working the Assassination Politics gambling app, as far as I know currently. It turns out that Assassination Politics, or the Forbes version Assassination Markets, logically lead to Direct Democracy in the Modern versions of Legalese. Forget about the actual meaning of the word democracy, forget the original meaning, ignore the grass-roots and organic meaning, exile the adapted meaning adopted by the Ancient Athenians during the Golden Age of Greece. Not that democracy, but the New World Order version of Democracy, you know, as in the saying “Spreading Democracy” with “Gun Boat Diplomacy” type New World Order Democracy
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https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2021/12/lpnc-conducts-first-independent-election-system-software-review/ 2. [68]Andy Andy January 5, 2022 "Traditionalist," said: "As for you, Andy, your Poe’s law violation is the belief that anarchist zones may realistically be expected to fend off nation states, terrorists, criminals, and so on." I have heard this referred to in libertarian circles as the Hard Problem, that is, once the anarcho-capitalist society is formed, how do you defend it? I have ideas on how this could be done (see my Libertarian Zone concept above; armed militias, private security guards, simply staying out of conflicts and becoming an economic zone from which lots of people could benefit, etc...). I have heard others propose various ideas, such as the Assassination Politics concept, put out by a guy named Jim Bell. "Bitcoin Jesus" Roger Ver brought this up when I interviewed him at Anarchapulco 2018. Check it out here: Interview with "Bitcoin Jesus" Roger Ver at Anarchapulco, 2/17/18 [69] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnt8r_oDdjc https://attackthesystem.com/2021/10/03/beware-of-any-war-on-terror-fought-by-a-terrorist-nation/ Beware of Any War On Terror Fought by a Terrorist Nation By Keith Preston on October 3, 2021 jim bell says: October 3, 2021 at 10:54 pm Someday, people will begin to appreciate my Assassination Politics essay, from 1995. https://cryptome.org/ap.htm Keith Preston says: October 4, 2021 at 6:10 am As well they should. It’s a masterpiece.
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madness. It chooses it over the dangerous submission to the norm which can always be perverted by propaganda and enforced by the folly of crowds”[23]. -- [1] Samuel T. Francis, Leviathan & Its Enemies [2] Friedrich Hayek, The Intellectuals and Socialism [3] https://graymirror.substack.com/p/coriolanus-and-the-conservatives [4] https://www.blackrock.com/corporate/insights/blackrock-investment-institute/publications/global-macro-outlook/august-2019 [5] https://thelibertarianideal.com/2022/02/07/the-covid-caste-structure/ [6] https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/prolegomena-to-a-franciscan-capitalism/ [7] Paul Virilio, Ground Zero [8] https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/the-continuing-crisis/ [9] Samuel T. Francis, Leviathan & Its Enemies [10] https://thelibertarianideal.com/2022/01/12/big-government-libertarians-biomedical-tentacles/ [11] https://philpapers.org/rec/FRIPVP-2 [12] https://philpapers.org/rec/NOVQFP [13] https://philpapers.org/rec/NARLPA [14] Mancur Olson, The Rise and Decline of Nations [15] Wendy Doniger, The Hindus: An Alternative History [16] Andrew Gamble, The Spectre at the Feast [17] https://thelibertarianideal.com/2016/11/09/modern-markets-as-a-dialectic/ [18] Walter Block, Defending the Undefendable [19] https://thelibertarianideal.com/2021/09/19/war-entrepreneurs/ [20] Jim Bell, Assassination Politics [21] https://www.ft.com/content/1f83d3dc-a95b-4947-92ba-4f08899228a3 [22] https://thelibertarianideal.com/2021/08/07/violent-machinations-capital-revolution/ [23] https://im1776.com/2022/01/21/post-libertarianism/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1Esuqywo9k Lords of the New Church - Open Your Eyes They were trying to warn us 40 years ago. From 1982… " Video games train the kids for war Army chic in high-fashion stores Law and order’s done their job Prisons filled while the rich still rob Assassination politics Violence rules within’ our nation’s midst Well ignorance is their power tool You’ll only know what they want you to know The television cannot lie Controlling media with smokescreen eyes Nuclear politicians picture show The acting’s lousy but the blind don’t know Open your eyes See the lies right in front of ya Open your eyes They scare us all with threats of war So we forget just how bad things are You taste the fear when you’re all alone They gonna git’cha when you’re on your own The silence of conspiracy Slaughtered on the altar of apathy You gotta wake up from your sleep ‘Cause meek inherits earth six feet deep Open your eyes see the lies right in front of ya Open your eyes " https://www.ammoland.com/2022/03/wa-gun-owner-fury-erupts-as-lawmakers-pass-magazine-ban/ WA Gun Owner Fury Erupts as Lawmakers Pass Magazine Ban CourageousLion 6 months ago Jim Bell's "Assassination Politics" Google it. -7 Getting Away with Murder: Benazir Bhutto’s Assassination and the Politics of Pakistan by Heraldo Munoz Heraldo Munoz is a Chilean politician who was appointed to head a UN Commission of Inquiry to investigate the assassination of former Prime Minister of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto in December 2007. This book is kind of like an unofficial memoir of his experience investigating Bhutto’s assassination. It is a unique blend of a historical and political analysis of Pakistan in the style of Ahmed Rashid and a Whodunit murder investigation. https://www.richlandsource.com/life_and_culture/assassins-explores-the-dark-side-of-the-american-dream-at-theatre-166/article_e55a4a1e-2797-11ec-9004-570d509124cb.html 'Assassins' explores the dark side of the American dream at Theatre 166 By Brittany Schock, Engagement & Solutions Editor Oct 7, 2021 Antonio Brown is surrounded by presidential assassins demanding for their right to be happy in the musical "Assassins" premiering at Theatre 166 on Oct. 8. MANSFIELD — Everybody's got a right to their dreams. But what happens when you think that right has been taken away from you? In Stephen Sondheim's controversial musical "Assassins," the https://politicsandwar.com/bulletin/id=11338/chancellor-evades-assassination Chancellor Evades Assassination Bullet Strikes Chancellor, Assassins Commit Suicide By Baudric Ministry of Information 04/08/2022 12:50 pm November 30, 2074 (74/11/30) Yesterday, at 18:23, Chancellor Victor Leopold von Fettenberg was riding to his residence next to the palace in his limousine after what was supposedly a busy and stressful day at the Council of Representatives. With him, Minister of Foreign Affairs Lotta Gräfin von Pattentrop und Magersburg and King Brenner I's son and heir apparent, Crown Prince Brenner Jr.. They were discussing events in Parliament and the social unrest that been plaguing Baudric after the Chancellor's selection, with the limo driver occasionally chiming in. They would've headed to the palace directly to discuss foreign policy with Brenner I before heading to dinner and getting rest for the next grueling day. This wouldn't be the case that day, however, for a shot rings out as they pass the Sutenkräft Brewery, the three politicians take cover. There is a quick skirmish with the Chancellor's motorcade and what appears to be multiple assassins. The attackers are victorious, with all of the motorcade security killed in just two minutes. Witnesses reported eight assassins rapidly approaching the limo from their hiding spots, armed with bolt action rifles and assault rifles. The Chancellor and his entourage could've been killed if it wasn't for the quick thinking of the three and the involvement of the crowd. A crowd, both united conservatives and liberals, bravely blocked the path to the limo as von Pattentrop und Magersburg kicked the door on the left side, armed with emergency pistols. The assassins, whom were unwilling to kill civilians, continued pushing the crowd away, only to be met with gunshots from the three. The Chancellor's former military training allowed for the three to have the upper hand in the engagement, and with police reinforcements rapidly approaching the scene, the remaining attackers took their own lives. An autopsy statement released this morning revealed tattoos of the Reformist symbol on various body parts, which brought further suspicion that the Reformists were attempting to kill them. Brenner I, furious that his government and his son were almost killed, finally took a side and declared the Reformists illegal this morning, along with Chancellor von Fettenberg announcing that the security budget would increase significantly to pre
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https://medium.com/coinmonks/bitcoin-assassination-markets-could-quickly-end-war-1fa40de537ca JVictor42 Mar 13 2022 Bitcoin assassination markets could quickly end war Writer and libertarian Tim Bell, described by Wired Magazine as “one of the Internet’s most famous essayists,” reported in 1997 that after the creation of an Internet-native cryptocurrency-such as Bitcoin (BTC)-the world’s first decentralized assassination markets would emerge. Bell describes in 10 articles entitled Assassination Politics, how these markets could work. Initially, the heads of dictators, despots and psychopaths could be put up for a bounty, similar to the jurisdiction of the American Old West, where there was a reward for criminals; “Wanted dead or alive.” The prize could easily be raised in a voluntary fundraiser done in cryptocurrency. How many people would be willing to pay the equivalent of $10 dollars to see their country’s dictator die? Perhaps millions. “Consider how history might have changed if we had been able to “overthrow” Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Kim Il Sung, Ho Chi Minh, Ayatollah Khomeini, Saddam Hussein, Moammar Khadafi, and several others, along with all their replacements if necessary, all for a measly few million dollars, instead of the billions of dollars and millions of lives that subsequent wars have cost.” — Tim Bell. The reward would then be awarded to whoever could accurately “predict” the day of death of the person with a price on his head. Usually, this person would be the killer himself. Payment would be made in cryptocurrency, so that it would not be possible to identify who received the prize. Russian-Ukrainian War If such a market already existed at a more advanced stage of trust and liquidity, Vladimir Putin’s head would certainly be on the line by now. Surely, many powerful people today already have an interest that the Russian pseudo-dictator disappears. However, allowing anonymous payment to anyone close enough to consummate the act — such as employees, friends or family members — exponentially increases the chance of an eventual attack. The same could happen with Volodymyr Zelensky, president of Ukraine, who has tyrannically prevented men from leaving the country, as well as politicians and high-ranking officials in the Russian and Ukrainian governments who are condoning these actions. “At the Village pizzeria, while they were sitting down to a pepperoni, Dorothy asked Jim: ‘So, what other inventions are you working on? Jim replied: ‘I have a new idea, but it’s really evolutionary. Literally REVOLUTIONARY.’ “Okay, Jim, which government are you planning to overthrow?” she asked, jokingly. ‘All of them,’ he replied.” Problems to be solved In order to create a market like this, some fundamental issues will need to be solved. Bitcoin needs to have more anonymity and fungibility, something that should occur over the next few years with updates and soft forks. Taproot, the last major update to the Bitcoin network, was another step toward making transactions harder to trace. When this occurs, and a market emerges that demonstrates trust and success in its first use cases, such as enabling the assassination of some small country dictator, it would certainly attract attention and funding from around the world. Like it? Consider donating some satoshis to this brazilian humble bitconer: 1BxmvJGdfPWFoXa6qQpk9FafmLT6BKxFJB An assassination market paid in bitcoin could potentially end hundreds of despot conflicts around the world in a much more efficient and less costly way.
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RECORD NUMBER Of Americans Say Violence Against Gov Is JUSTIFIED Jan 2022 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7FcRl3OoLs Citizens: Govt Overthrow Justified Plausible Or Overblown? Divided America Leads To Civil War Speculation By Keith Preston on January 29, 2022" ( 2 Comments ) https://attackthesystem.com/2022/01/29/plausible-or-overblown-divided-america-leads-to-civil-war-speculation/ https://youtu.be/2USneLGTnX8 Ten years ago, I thought that the US would be in 2042 where it is in 2022... jim bell says: January 29, 2022 at 5:52 pm https://cryptome.org/ap.htm My Assassination Politics essay. If you previously believed we wouldn t get there until 2042, that explains why you didn t want to discuss it. But now, things have changed. Effectively, we ARE there . If an AP system were operational, today, people would use it, even heavily. Government Itself is Immoral Corbett " 08/14/2022 " 198 Comments https://www.corbettreport.com/government-itself-is-immoral/ Courageous Lion says: 08/15/2022 at 12:32 pm For the NSA people here: Jim Bell s Assassination Politics would be a good way to reign in their pretend authority. For when those in government fear the people there is liberty, but when the people fear those in government there is tyranny. AP is all over the net. It did get Jim in trouble with the IRS though. They were concerned it might take hold. Fact is, with the new way that bit coin works, they better start thinking about what could come next. Cryptocurrency is Asbestos. April 21, 2022 1:40 PM https://www.metafilter.com/195090/Cryptocurrency-is-Asbestos rhamphorhynchus says at 5:03 PM on April 21 [7 favorites] the whole point from the start of cryptocurrency is to implement anarcho-capitalism Quite. Jim Bell's Assassination Politics was 1992 so anarchism, in a nasty libertarian Propaganda of the Deed sense, is pretty deeply ingrained. Ethereum is operating in perhaps the one of the most hostile computing environments that exists now Aye. More poetically, Ethereum is a Dark Forest (linked previously).
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https://twitter.com/SilverSpikeSam https://twitter.com/SamJournals/status/1500293691021352969 Sam Steele, Founder of The Silver Spike Society. @elias_714 @R1mElvis @zeemczed @hwinkler4real Look into an idea called "Assassination Politics" by Jim Bell. that would be exactly the sort of system we need for checks & balances. AP (not a new idea) (Read 2802 times) https://secure.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=36673.0 Joe Kelley Jr. Member ** Offline Offline Posts: 72 AP (not a new idea) « on: September 25, 2019, 03:01:05 pm » I first read Assassination Politics more than a decade ago, as documented on my own Web page, and from my Web page the link I have there is still a working link: http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/jimbellap.htm I just stumbled on a YouTube presentation by Jim Bell, the author of Assassination Politics, as he eventually made his way out of prison. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcJdvQvzlNU According to Jim Bell the first time someone announced the idea coincided with the sudden tripling of Bitcoin price. I follow this idea (not a new idea by the way) and so I saw the Forbes Article mentioned in the Jim Bell YouTube video above: https://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/11/18/meet-the-assassination-market-creator-whos-crowdfunding-murder-with-bitcoins/ The date on that article is Nov 18, 2013, 08:30am. The Jim Bell Project is here: https://jimbellproject.org/press-release-hackers-congress-paralel-polis-oct-7-2017/ The idea is simple, it is based upon this: "The king, so far from being invested with arbitrary power, was only considered as the first among the citizens; his authority depended more on his personal qualities than on his station; he was even so far on a level with the people, that a stated price was fixed for his head, and a legal fine was levied upon his murderer, which though proportionate to his station, and superior to that paid for the life of a subject, was a sensible mark of his subordination to the community." - 1 Hume, Appendix, l." (Trial by Jury, Lysander Spooner, 1852) Anonymity for each individual is one thing, but group anonymity is altogether more difficult to maintain, along the lines of a chain being only as strong as the weakest link. For those who care not to peruse the AP information, I will quote a sound bite: "Last month I received an encrypted email from someone calling himself by the pseudonym Kuwabatake Sanjuro, who pointed me towards his recent creation: The website Assassination Market, a crowdfunding service that lets anyone anonymously contribute bitcoins towards a bounty on the head of any government official--a kind of Kickstarter for political assassinations. According to Assassination Market's rules, if someone on its hit list is killed--and yes, Sanjuro hopes that many targets will be--any hitman who can prove he or she was responsible receives the collected funds." Forbes « Last Edit: September 25, 2019, 03:03:52 pm by Joe Kelley » Logged Bill St. Clair Techie Sr. Member * Offline Offline Posts: 6852 End the War on Freedom Re: AP (not a new idea) « Reply #1 on: September 28, 2019, 02:27:05 pm » The normal way to collect an AP bounty is to make the closest estimate to time of death before the fact. Logged "The state can only survive as long as a majority is programmed to believe that theft isn't wrong if it's called taxation or asset forfeiture or eminent domain, that assault and kidnapping isn't wrong if it's called arrest, that mass murder isn't wrong if it's called war." -- Bill St. Clair "Separation of Earth and state!" -- Bill St. Clair Joe Kelley Jr. Member ** Offline Offline Posts: 72 Re: AP (not a new idea) « Reply #2 on: September 28, 2019, 05:54:47 pm » “The normal way to collect an AP bounty is to make the closest estimate to time of death before the fact.” >From Assassination Politics by Jim Bell: “If, later, the "prediction" came true, the predictor would presumably send yet another encrypted "envelope" to the organization, containing the decryption key for the previous "prediction" envelope, plus a public key (despite its name, to be used only once!) to be used for encryption of digital cash used as payment for the award. The organization would apply the decryption key to the prediction envelope, discover that it works, then notice that the prediction included was fulfilled on the date stated. The predictor would be, therefore, entitled to the award. Nevertheless, even then nobody would actually know WHO he is!” On the web page AP Part 9 is dated: February 27, 1996 I was on the National District 40 House of Representatives Ballot in 1996 as a Libertarian. My talking points included statements concerning burning alive men, women, pregnant women, children, babies, after torture for weeks, experiments, all by the “governmen
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by computer hobbyists and academics, to a popular hangout accessed by millions of excited neophytes. According to John Naughton, Professor of the Public Understanding of Technology at the Open University, cyberspace at this time was more than just a network of computers. Users saw it as “a new kind of place,” with its own culture, its own identity, and its own rules. The arrival of millions of “ordinary” people online stimulated fears and hopes about what this new form of communication might do to us. Many techno-optimists, such as the cheerleaders for the networked revolution Wired and Mondo 2000 magazines, believed cyberspace would herald a new dawn of learning and understanding, even the end of the national state. The best statement of this view was the American essayist and prominent cyberlibertarian John Perry Barlow’s 1996 “Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace,” which announced to the real world that “your legal concepts of property, expression, identity, movement, and context do not apply to us . . . our identities have no bodies, so, unlike you, we cannot obtain order by physical coercion.” Barlow believed that the lack of censorship and the anonymity that the net seemed to offer would foster a freer, more open society, because people could cast off the tyranny of their fixed real-world identities and create themselves anew. (The New Yorker put it more succinctly: “On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a dog.”) Leading psychologists of the day, such as MIT professor Sherry Turkle in her influential 1995 study of internet identity, Life on the Screen, offered a cautious welcome to the way that online life could allow people to work through the different elements of their identity. But others worried what might happen if no one knows you’re a dog. Parents panicked about children infected with “modem fever.” Soon after Turkle’s study, another psychologist, John Suler, was studying the behavior of participants in early chat rooms. He found that participants tended to be more aggressive and angry online than offline. He suggested this was because, when protected by a screen, people feel that real-world social restrictions, responsibilities, and norms don’t apply. Whether actual or perceived, anonymity, thought Suler, would allow you to explore your identity, but it might also allow you to act without fear of being held accountable (in 2001 he would call this “The Online Disinhibition Effect”). It’s true that from the outset, many BBS and Usenet subscribers were treating cyberspace as a realm for all sorts of bizarre, creative, offensive, and illegal behavior. In Usenet’s “Alternative” hierarchy, anyone could set up a discussion group about anything they wanted. The first group was alt.gourmand, a forum for recipes. This was swiftly followed by alt.sex, alt.drugs and alt.rock-n-roll. “Alt.,” as it came to be known, immediately became the most popular part of Usenet by far. Alongside purposeful and serious groups for literature, computing, or science, Usenet and BBS contained many more dedicated to cyberbullying, hacking, and pornography. Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death It was in this heady atmosphere that the radical libertarian Jim Bell first took the promise of online anonymity to a terrifying conclusion. In late 1992, a group of radical libertarians from California called the “cypherpunks” set up an email list to propose and discuss how cyberspace could be used to guarantee personal liberty, privacy, and anonymity. Bell, a contributor to the list, believed that if citizens could use the internet to send secret encrypted messages and trade using untraceable currencies, it would be possible to create a functioning market for almost anything. In 1995, he set out his ideas in an essay called “Assassination Politics,” which he posted to the email list. It made even the staunchly libertarian cypherpunks wince. Bell proposed that an organization be set up that would ask citizens to make anonymous digital cash donations to the prize pool of a public figure. The organization would award the prize to whoever correctly predicted that person’s death. This, argued Bell, wasn’t illegal, it was just a type of gambling. But here’s the ruse: if enough people were sufficiently angry with a particular individual—each anonymously contributing just a few dollars—the prize pool would become so large that someone would be incentivized to make a prediction and then fulfill it themselves in order to take the pot. This is where encrypted messages and untraceable payment systems come in. A crowd-sourced—and untraceable—murder would unfold as follows. First, the would-be assassin sends his prediction in an encrypted message that can be opened only by a digital code known to the person who sent it. He then makes the kill and sends the organization that code, which would unlock his (correct) prediction. Once verified by the organization, presumably by watching the news, the prize money—in the form of a digital currency
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGem5m9Sr6g Paddock, Serco, Death Pool Betting https://altcensored.com/watch?v=YSn7Iomisyc https://alekbo.com/bitcoin/the-jim-bell-system.html https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356893936_Assassination_politics_Weapons_of_Mass_Destruction_and_IT-_a_timeline_Focus_on_South_Africa_the_US_and_Sweden_December_2021_DOI_1013140RG222840734729 Assassination politics, Weapons of Mass Destruction and IT - a timeline based on quoted texts with references, and main focus on South Africa, the US and Sweden ThinePreparedAni US Space Force Fan In a sea of cognitive dissonance Member since Mar 2013 10469 posts Posted on 12/25/21 at 8:53 pm to notiger1997 quote: Las Vegas shooter. My favorite speculation Themes: death pool betting (see Gizmodo article below as this is a real thing...) pedophile blackmail rings It is speculated that Paddock was a promoter of a VIP junkent room that fielded very high rolling clients "betting" on murders... It gets very tangential, but bulk of discussion is at 56:10 (but the whole discussion is very interesting...) youtube quote: Paddock, Serco and Death Pool Betting An In-Depth Conversation quote: Serco is the biggest company you never heard of. Are they somehow connected to Stephen Paddock? Did this multinational conglomerate play a role in the Las Vegas massacre of October 1? Are there shadowy groups of wealthy elites who finance assassinations through evil "death pool" betting syndicates? Talk about market forces! Absolutely fascinating and terrifying...
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https://thepriceofliberty.org/2021/12/20/ideas-for-liberty-the-jim-bell-system-revisited/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Planet_for_Texans Ideas for liberty – the Jim Bell System revisited Posted on December 20, 2021 by TPOL Nathan A few weeks back, someone suggested in a comment that it might be time to set up the “Jim Bell System.” This idea, also known as a type of “Assassination Politics” was invented back in 1995 by an anarchocapitalist (or crypto-anarchist) seeking a way to directly address tyranny and the seeking-to-be-omnipotent State. For details on his original proposal, visit this website. It provides the complete series of essays he wrote between 1995 and 1997. (For readers’ convenience, I’m providing an extract of his proposal at the end of this commentary.) But in brief, people use crypto-currency, digital cash, and online encryption to establish organizations which are clearinghouses for people to bet on exactly when some politician or leader or bureaucrat – at home or abroad – croaks, and put their money down. As the pot grows, lottery style, one of those bettors bets on a specific date and covers his/her bet by ensuring (in some manner) that the subject of the bet does indeed die. And then anonymously claims the stake anonymously, in one or more forms of cryptocurrency which is untraceable. For those more interested, visit this website which more recently exposed Mr. Bell’s invention and addresses the pros and cons of the entire concept. The Price of Liberty takes no stand on the entire idea. It is beyond our limited understanding of encryption, anonymity, and cryptocurrencies – or gold bars, for that matter – to be able to evaluate. It appears feasible. Although I do not think there is a connection, the proposal is very much reminiscent of the major plot device in H. Beam Piper’s Lone Star Planet, also known as A Planet for Texans from 1957, in which Assassination Politics (AP) is the key feature of government on a distant, long-colonized planet. It has even more in common with another novel, which I often conflate with Piper’s story. On that planet, all of the politicians in office wear explosive collars tied wirelessly to a system of voting booths in which citizens can express their disapproval of the politician’s actions. If the weight of votes is sufficient, a signal is sent to the collar, and bang! – there is one less dastardly politician infesting the body politic. (If a reader can identify the forgotten name of that novel, please let us here at TPOL know!) But the Jim Bell System goes beyond that. The explosive collar idea requires that there BE a government. As did Piper’s system. AP claims to require NO organized government or even a public organization – everything is done anonymously and online, using current technology and methods. And although “legal” could function even if made illegal by government. Other than a fascinating look at an idea that is very much “outside the box” the issue here at The Price of Liberty is a simple one. Is this (as Jim Bell labeled it) a form of “murder by hire”? Or just plain encouraging/inciting murder? Or is it actually a legitimate (and moral) form of self-defense against those tyrants, large and small, that infest our society, our nations, and our world? What do you, dear reader, think? And is it truly a solution, or just another idea (a form of technology) that can be used as much for evil as for good? Would government begin using this against the people? Would this open Pandora’s Box anew? For almost three decades, free-market and other anarchists and even minarchists have been discussing this. Is it time to seriously consider this? Let us here at TPOL know. >From Jim Bell’s third essay (found at this website): …it should be possible to LEGALLY set up an organization which collects perfectly anonymous donations sent by members of the public, donations which instruct the organization to pay the amount to any person who correctly guesses the date of death of some named person, for example some un-favorite government employee or officeholder. The organization would total the amounts of the donations for each different named person, and publish that list (presumably on the Internet) on a daily or perhaps even an hourly basis, telling the public exactly how much a person would get for “predicting” the death of that particular target. Moreover, that organization would accept perfectly anonymous, untraceable, encrypted “predictions” by various means, such as the Internet (probably through chains of encrypted anonymous remailers), U.S. mail, courier, or any number of other means. Those predictions would contain two parts: A small amount of untraceable “digital cash,” inside the outer “digital envelope,” to ensure that the “predictor” can’t economically just randomly choose dates and names, and an inner encrypted data packet which is encrypted so that even the organization itself cannot decrypt it. That data packet wo
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https://www.wired.com/2001/04/jim-bells-strange-day-in-court/ Declan McCullagh Apr 10, 2001 6:30 AM Jim Bell's Strange Day in Court The cypherpunk accused of threatening federal agents accuses his attorney of making death threats, admits stealing mail and then takes the Fifth. His attorney asks for a mistrial. Declan McCullagh reports from Tacoma, Washington. TACOMA, Washington – The trial of an Internet essayist accused of stalking federal agents took a bizarre turn after the defendant admitted to stealing U.S. mail and accused his attorney of delivering death threats. An increasingly agitated Jim Bell, author of the controversial "Assassination Politics" essay, told a jury on Monday that he was unfairly barred from presenting "six hours of testimony" about a campaign against him by IRS agents and he wanted to fire his court-appointed defense attorney. Bell's lawyer, Robert Leen, twice asked U.S. District Judge Jack Tanner to halt the proceedings because his client had a "major mental disorder." Tanner, who had previously ruled that Bell was fit to stand trial, denied the requests. The 43-year-old chemist and entrepreneur took the witness stand on Friday to argue he had been conducting a lawful investigation into official corruption while compiling names and home addresses of government agents. Bell is charged with five counts of interstate stalking, and jury deliberations are scheduled to begin Tuesday morning. On Sunday, Leen visited his client at the nearby SeaTac prison, which apparently prompted Bell's accusations in open court. Bell testified calmly on Friday, regaling jurors with tales of how public key encryption and anonymous remailers worked, but by Monday had become embittered and combative. He said that his attorney "communicated a threat" against Bell and Bell's family during the meeting, and "threatened to cut me off after 30 minutes if I mentioned" accusations against fellow prisoners. Bell also acknowledged under oath that he had raided the mailbox of a person he mistakenly believed to be a Treasury Department agent, recorded personal information from those letters, then discarded them during dinner at a nearby McDonald's. Although Bell is not charged with that crime, a conviction would carry a fine and a sentence of up to five years in prison. During cross-examination, Bell invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination when asked about $2,000 a month in trust fund income not reported on a statement that he signed in November 2000 to qualify for a court-appointed lawyer. Because of that document, Assistant U.S. Attorney Robb London said, Bell "is in peril of being charged with perjury." "You weren't aware of the trust account that is maintained by you?" London asked about the Bell's shares of the Templeton Emerging Markets Fund. "Have you no shame?" Bell replied. "I'm taking the Fifth Amendment, which even innocent people are entitled to do." Bell said since he was no longer represented by counsel, the prosecutor's continued questions were inappropriate. "I'm concerned about your tactics," he said. "I don't believe I should be questioned under these circumstances I've been denied 15 defense witnesses. This is not a fair trial." Tanner has quashed all of Bell's subpoenas aimed at U.S. Marshals, prosecutors, defense attorneys and former and current prisoners, saying they were not relevant. Tanner has denied repeated motions for a mistrial from Bell's lawyer, in addition to motions to withdraw as counsel. Most Popular culture Why Adam Levine's Cringe DMs Are Perfect for the Meme Machine Chris Stokel-Walker gear Put a Little Power Cube Under Your Couch Eric Ravenscraft security The Ungodly Surveillance of Anti-Porn ‘Shameware’ Apps Dhruv Mehrotra gear Give Your Back a Break With Our Favorite Office Chairs Julian Chokkattu "Mr. Leen does not represent me," Bell said. "I wonder if it's legally proper for them to question me without counsel present." The Vancouver, Washington resident said he was coerced into taking a plea agreement on July 18, 1997, in which he admitted to obstructing IRS agents, writing "Assassination Politics" and stink-bombing the carpet outside an IRS office. "Much of that plea was basically fictional," Bell said. He said he was "given a pill the previous day. "I was groggy and sleepy." Upon questioning from London, the prosecutor, Bell said he never filed a motion to withdraw his guilty plea. London suggested that there were two types of U.S. citizens: Those who were federal agents and those who are not. He said that Treasury Department agent Jeff Gordon was authorized to investigate Bell, but that Bell inappropriately researched information on Gordon. "Do you understand that (Jeff Gordon) is given authori
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https://dangerousminds.net/comments/the_dead_pool_jim_bells_crowd-funded_assassination_politics The Dead Pool: Jim Bell’s crowd-funded ‘Assassination Politics’ 06.05.2013 10:20 am Topics: Current Events , Politics Tags: Jim Bell Richard’s epic rant yesterday on Ernst Stavro Blofeld Peter Brabeck’s unfortunate remarks on privatizing water reminded me of an idea developed by crypto-anarchist Jim Bell that was controversial even in those circles and that (according to some) is what landed him in Federal Prison in 1997, keeping him there on and off (mostly on) until 2012. Bell’s idea and essay were entitled “Assassination Politics,” and if you haven’t encountered it before, well, you’re in for a bit of a shock, particularly as the nuts and bolts necessary are rapidly coming into place: Anonymous and untraceable digital cash (leveraging Bitcoin), uncrackable Internet traffic mixers in the form of the TOR network, and TOR hidden services. (According to Bell the idea is inevitable—it’s coming—though I’m personally quite skeptical of that claim. But no matter…) Basically, the idea is this: What if there was a system that took bets on which politicians, military leaders or water-privatizing CEOs would be assassinated and when? And what if the system preserved the anonymity of any and all bettors and could pay those who “guessed” correctly without identifying them? Using modern cryptographic techniques such a system is indeed technologically possible and described (see video below). Remember The Dead Pool, Clint Eastwood’s final “Dirty Harry” film? Kinda like a high-tech crypto-anarchist version of that, but seen as a practical way to destroy the Shitstem. Big fun. Now in case you’re tempted to believe that this is merely the dream of a Libertarian crackpot, it’s worth noting that Bell not only received a chemistry degree from MIT, he was a relatively early employee at Intel and even started a computer storage company. In other words, Bell, who admittedly is a bit of a weirdo, is most certainly not an intellectually challenged man and the AP idea makes use of a smattering of cryptographic techniques that have largely come to exist in the years since he first proposed it. So it probably can be done. So now, you might ask, What’s so controversial about what is essentially a market for predictions? So what if people are betting on the deaths of world leaders? We all have to die sometime. Well, the key to note here is that the bettors can bet and get paid (if they are correct) without revealing their identity or location (read: IP address) on the Internet. Bell believed that this combination would prove truly irresistible to certain murder-non-averse types who a) Like lots of money and b) Like to kill people and, oh yeah, c) Who don’t mind knocking off hated dictators or other “enemies of mankind” (to quote Samuel Fuller). Indeed, according to Bell’s formulation, the system is designed precisely to encourage someone to, let’s just say, increase their odds of winning the “dead pool” substantially. Universal hatred of a specific figure would increase the odds of his or her impending transience greatly, as an enormous bounty is accumulated via all the bettors betting on (and thereby encouraging) a rapid demise. In his essay Bell then went on to predict the collapse of world governments as they are understood today, because it would become just far too dangerous for even local petty bureaucrats to remain in their position and alive at the same time. Further claims by Bell and others predicted fewer wars, as aggressive military leaders got knocked off via gaining the opprobrium of the masses (thereby accumulating a huge payoff against his name) and then attracting legions of fortune-seeking assassins, one of whom is eventually successful and who can then cryptographically and anonymously collect his huge payout. Of course, claims of the end of war or even the end of governments as we know them sound suspiciously like early comments about the Gatling gun: It’s such a terrible weapon that no one will start a war again (though it wasn’t too much longer before WW I showed us exactly how insightful that comment was). And does anyone really want a world in which, theoretically, anyone’s name can show up on a worldwide kill list? That’d kinda suck for American Idol contestants and pundits from the right and left. But the point here is that if the Brabecks and Koch Brothers of the world keep trying to put the rest of humanity into a great big headlock by attacking our water through fracking and privitization (an interesting combination, BTW), people with serious cypto skillz may get pissed off enough to actually build a secure AP system and load it up with a couple of names. You know: just for fun. In other words, Herr Brabeck, you might want to rethink your position a bit. Do you REALLY want to make an enemy of practically all of humanity? Just stick to poisoning the world with your powdered baby milk formulas and candy
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https://www.karmak.org/archive/2003/01/assassination.htm Assassination Politics & Jim Bell To view Assassination Politics � Crypto-Convict Won't Recant >From Wired Online by Declan McCullagh 3:00 a.m. Apr. 14, 2000 PDT Before Jim Bell went to prison, he suspected that most government officials were corrupt. Three years behind bars later, the self-proclaimed Internet anarchist is sure of it. After Bell, a cypherpunk who the United States government dubbed a techno-terrorist, is released Friday at 10 a.m. PDT, he plans to exact revenge on the system that imprisoned him. "If they continue to work for the government, they deserve it. My suggestion to these people is to quit now and hope for mercy," the 41-year-old Washington state native said in a telephone interview this week from the medium-security federal penitentiary in Phoenix. Bell pleaded guilty to tax evasion in 1997. The retribution he has in mind? Well, it's decidedly not simple thuggery or wild-eyed ranting. Before he was arrested, the MIT graduate even gave his scheme a catchy title: "Assassination Politics." It's an unholy mix of encryption, anonymity, and digital cash to bring about the ultimate annihilation of all forms of government. The system, which Bell spent years talking up online, uses digital cash and anonymity to predict and confirm assassinations. Darkly brooding during his stints in solitary confinement, Bell has honed his idea to a knife-sharp edge, and seems to have shed any remaining scruples in the process. "I once believed it's too bad that there are a lot of people who work for government who are hard-working and honest people who will get hit (by Assassination Politics) and it's a shame," he says. "Well, I don't believe that any more. They are all either crooks or they tolerate crooks or they are aware of crooks among their numbers." That kind of fervid rhetoric comes close to crossing the line, says one former prosecutor. "It's an oblique threat," says Mark Rasch, now a lawyer at Science Applications International Corporation. "Depending on how immediate the threat is or how immediate the incitement is, it could violate federal law." And Assassination Politics? If Bell tries to set it up, will he end up back in Club Fed? "Now you're getting closer to the line that says, 'I will pay you to kill a federal agent.' Even though it's indirect, it has the same effect," Rasch says. U.S. law punishes "any threat to injure the person of another" with a five-year prison sentence. Robb London, the assistant United States Attorney for the Western District of Washington, did not immediately return phone calls. It's easy enough to dismiss Assassination Politics as a loony idea invented by a Theodore Kaczynski wannabe and about as likely to occur as Dan Quayle winning a presidential primary. But then why are the feds so worried? Call it sheer self-interest, but the original charges against Bell highlighted the scheme: The IRS accused him of "soliciting others to join in a scheme known as 'Assassination Politics' whereby those who killed IRS employees would be rewarded." IRS inspector Jeff Gordon, who now regularly monitors the cypherpunks mailing list, took it personally, at one point likening Bell to convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh. Both, Gordon said in 1997, were making "plans to assassinate government employees." Gordon found a second suspect a year later, when he came across an "AP robot" website that claimed to implement Bell's idea and pay winners in e-cash. "'Bot' is a slang term for an automated computer program. I also know that 'e$' and 'eCa$h' are slang terms for electronic or digital cash, which was a major component of Bell's Assassination Politics proposal," the IRS agent said in an affidavit. The investigation eventually led to the conviction of fellow cypherpunk Carl Johnson in April 1999 for threatening federal officials. Both cases have become something of a cause celebre among cypherpunks who are critical of government overreaching; the list, after all, became popular during the heyday of the intrusive White House-backed Clipper Chip. Architect John Young in 1998 nominated Bell for a Chrysler design award for creating an "Information Design for Governmental Accountability." The Laissez Faire City Times has published a copy of Bell's AP essay, calling it "a thought experiment on one of the consequences of the digital society." Not everyone was quite so complimentary. U.S. News and World Report featured Bell as part of a cover story on terrorism. The story said that when agents raided his home, they found "volatile solvents, explosives ingredients, sodium cyanide, nitric acid, and disopropyl fluorophosphate -- one of several ingredients that, if properly mixed, form nerve gas -- all in a residential neighborhood." B
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https://medium.com/chainrift-research/dark-markets-jim-bells-assassination-politics-e07bacac2dc4 https://twitter.com/AugurProject/status/1021631296265768960 https://ipfs.augur.casino/ipfs/QmYaHYKE3ozoJrXCksETCEnAoyUmXY4o3qarE9oZmXfMbc/?augur_node=wss%3a%2f%2faugur-node.augur.casino_node_ws=wss%3a%2f%2fgethnode.com%2fws#/markets?category=TECH=ELON%20MUSK https://ipfs.augur.casino/ipfs/QmYaHYKE3ozoJrXCksETCEnAoyUmXY4o3qarE9oZmXfMbc/?augur_node=wss%3a%2f%2faugur-node.augur.casino_node_ws=wss%3a%2f%2fgethnode.com%2fws#/markets?category=TECH=AWS.~_SMARTPHONE.~_PHONES Matt ฿ http://www.itsmattbit.ch/ Bitcoin, privacy and cypherpunk stuff Dec 18, 2018 · 4 min read Dark Markets: Jim Bell’s Assassination Politics Anonymity and private communications online have opened up a myriad of ways for individuals to communicate and transact in cyberspace, in ways that thwart surveillance. This series of articles will explore some of the notable proposals (and iterations) of digital marketplaces furthering crypto-anarchic agendas. First up: the prediction markets for betting on the lives of individuals. Even to hardline crypto-anarchists and libertarians, this one is a bit of a stretch – on the surface, it would appear to stand in stark opposition to the non-aggression principle. Jim Bell, however, remains adamant that the ends justify the means insofar as government employees/politicians are concerned, as he explains in depth in his 90s essay entitled Assassination Politics. According to Bell: In receiving [a paycheck of stolen tax money] and in his various acts, [the government employee] violates the “Non-aggression Principle” (NAP) and thus, presumably, any acts against him are not the initiation of force under libertarian principles. In the essay, the author discusses the harnessing of public-key encryption and digital cash to create a system where anonymous donors could add to a fund, which would be paid out to whoever correctly ‘guessed’ the date of death of an office holder. Note that the term ‘guessed’ here should be interpreted very loosely — the implication is that a $10m kitty might just incentivise someone to ensure that their guess was correct. Do I need to spell it out? Anarchy Through Fear Envisaged by a staunch libertarian, Bell’s hypothetical marketplace had an ulterior political motive: the eradication of any hierarchical governmental structure. He reasoned that, as leader after leader was offed for continuing to “tax us to death, regulate us to death, or for that matter send hired thugs to kill us when we oppose their wishes” (I can’t stress the extent to which he really hates taxes), others would eventually fear assuming office, and government intervention in the lives of individuals would be drastically reduced. From there, everything falls into place – global access to the assassination markets would mean that militaries across the board cease to exist (lack of leaders and lack of funding). You might be wondering how such a system would remain limited to persons involved with the government. I’m not altogether convinced that the ‘ethical underpinnings’ of the society that uses these would make it infeasible for a competitor to simply start taking bets on anyone (though you might struggle in finding people with enough hatred for your neighbour who keeps blaring music at 3am to contribute to the pool that would be paid out in the event of their untimely death). That said, Bell argues that if you wanted to hire a hitman (which is what you’d essentially be doing here, as opposed to crowdfunding one), that’s already possible today. AP Today Bear in mind that this proposal was floated at a time before the magic of blockchain or the advent of decentralisation for the sake of decentralisation (and raising obscene amounts of money for mere mentions of the word). In Bell’s model, a centralised organisation is the ultimate arbiter over which names are added to the system, and therefore has certain ‘moral’ rulebook. If, on the other hand, someone were to create a decentralised prediction market, you’d be firmly in the chaotic code is law domain. Hello! Whilst it runs in a decentralized manner, Augur operates much like traditional prediction markets: users trade contracts with payouts tied to a future event. These contracts are binary, meaning that bets are placed on whether an outcome will or will not occur. Can you see where I’m going with this? You’re by no means limited to attempting to predict the deaths of people here – want to bet on whether Elon Musk is going to cry in a video interview before a certain date? Here you go. When Apple will release a folding iPhone? Right here. That’s not to say deaths haven’t been predicted – bets on terrorist attacks, mass murders and assassinations of prominent politicians are all there, too. It’s trivial to set them up, though liquidity is still lacking. Not so trivial is shutting them down – the Forecast Foundation burned the escape hatch some months
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https://www.thoughtsaloud.com/2016/08/14/eliminating-authority/ Eliminating Authority August 14th, 2016 | Author: â—„Daveâ–º For the first time in our society’s seemingly inexorable death spiral, I have regained a significant measure of hope for the future of America, and indeed all of mankind. Once again, it seems, technology will come to our rescue. Would a world without any rulers, where war was rendered impossible, be such a bad place to live? If there were a way to eventually nullify the power of all states, not just our own, would it be worth doing? “Anarchy is not lack of order. Anarchy is lack of ORDERS.” -unknown What if there were nobody left daring to even follow unpopular orders, much less issue them? Without so-called ‘leaders,’ and disciplined followers willing to execute their orders, no form of tyranny or warfare could possibly exist. Think about that undeniable fundamental truth for a moment. I find it astonishing that I had never heard of Jim Bell, and his 20-year-old 10-part essay, “Assassination Politics,” in which he described and defended a technological method for eliminating unpopular politicians from society. Part 1 begins: I’ve been following the concepts of digital cash and encryption since I read the article in the August 1992 issue of Scientific American on “encrypted signatures.” While I’ve only followed the Digitaliberty area for a few weeks, I can already see a number of points that do (and should!) strongly concern the average savvy individual: 1. How can we translate the freedom afforded by the Internet to ordinary life? 2. How can we keep the government from banning encryption, digital cash, and other systems that will improve our freedom? A few months ago, I had a truly and quite literally “revolutionary” idea, and I jokingly called it “Assassination Politics”: I speculated on the question of whether an organization could be set up to legally announce that it would be awarding a cash prize to somebody who correctly “predicted” the death of one of a list of violators of rights, usually either government employees, officeholders, or appointees. It could ask for anonymous contributions from the public, and individuals would be able send those contributions using digital cash. I also speculated that using modern methods of public-key encryption and anonymous “digital cash,” it would be possible to make such awards in such a way so that nobody knows who is getting awarded the money, only that the award is being given. Even the organization itself would have no information that could help the authorities find the person responsible for the prediction, let alone the one who caused the death. It was not my intention to provide such a “tough nut to crack” by arguing the general case, claiming that a person who hires a hit man is not guilty of murder under libertarian principles. Obviously, the problem with the general case is that the victim may be totally innocent under libertarian principles, which would make the killing a crime, leading to the question of whether the person offering the money was himself guilty. On the contrary; my speculation assumed that the “victim” is a government employee, presumably one who is not merely taking a paycheck of stolen tax dollars, but also is guilty of extra violations of rights beyond this. (Government agents responsible for the Ruby Ridge incident and Waco come to mind.) In receiving such money and in his various acts, he violates the “Non-aggression Principle” (NAP) and thus, presumably, any acts against him are not the initiation of force under libertarian principles. The organization set up to manage such a system could, presumably, make up a list of people who had seriously violated the NAP, but who would not see justice in our courts due to the fact that their actions were done at the behest of the government. Associated with each name would be a dollar figure, the total amount of money the organization has received as a contribution, which is the amount they would give for correctly “predicting” the person’s death, presumably naming the exact date. “Guessers” would formulate their “guess” into a file, encrypt it with the organization’s public key, then transmit it to the organization, possibly using methods as untraceable as putting a floppy disk in an envelope and tossing it into a mailbox, but more likely either a cascade of encrypted anonymous remailers, or possibly public-access Internet locations, such as terminals at a local library, etc. Hopefully, that has peaked your interest enough to go read his thought-provoking essay, because I would love to discuss its potential and/or flaws. Obviously, back in ’95, the internet was in its infancy, and very few individuals had even a dial-up connection to it. Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies had yet to be invented, nor had the potential for anonymity like TOR. What a difference 20 years can make in technology! Now, internet
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https://www.thoughtsaloud.com/2018/08/01/enough-already/ Enough Already August 1st, 2018 | Author: Troy As much as I have enjoyed participation in these conversations in the past, it has taken a turn that I do not enjoy in the least. Perhaps, as Jim suggests, that is because I cannot effectively respond to his arguments. So what? You either spend your hours doing what you like or you are a fool. I leave you all with one parting comment… insult intended: It is possible to be blinded by your own brilliance. Troy +3 Posted in Freethinking « TTFN Rogan & Musk » 6 Responses to “Enough Already” clinicalthinker says: August 1, 2018 at 8:59 am I cannot effectively respond to his arguments. It is unusual to “effectively” respond to someone entrenched in their own argument. Especially a vested argument lasting 20+ years. Moving forward doing what you enjoy is the wise choice +1 Reply jim says: August 4, 2018 at 7:05 pm Actually, it SHOULD be quite easy for you to respond to my AP essay: After all, there has been 23 years since I first posted it. A simple Google-search, google ‘ “jim bell” “assassination politics” ‘ ought to show you nearly any criticism that has been expressed over at least the last 15 years, or even more. More recently, in the last few weeks, you could search for: google ‘ethereum augur assassination’ to find hundreds of references. (although, with a lot of duplications.) Probably tens of thousands of people have read it. Anyone who finds it sufficiently wrong, has the opportunity to respond and criticize it. 0 Reply â—„Daveâ–º says: August 1, 2018 at 2:10 pm Troy, it has been six years since you posted the provocative revolutionary screed, “Obligations Of Obedience.†I just reread it and our subsequent discussion in the comment section. A few points: • Considering my longtime posture as a contumacious sovereign individualist, and all of the studying on the topic I have done since, it should not be at all surprising that my own thinking has continued to evolve toward outright anarchism, rather than revolution. • Despite your valiant efforts, and those of thousands of like-minded patriots, there has been negative progress toward awakening the sheeple to the ever encroaching tyranny, or wresting the levers of government from the oligarchs through political processes. • Now the Left/Right divide is even deeper, with zero chance that this will change. Moreover, it is the radical Left that now is the most outraged, prone to violence, and rejecting of majority rule. It appears that bloody revolution is now inevitable, likely sooner than later. • If so, I fail to see why the AP concept would not be preferable, or at least worth trying, instead. I have no personal appetite for slaughtering the poor brainwashed and/or disillusioned sheeple by the thousands, if there is an alternative that only sacrifices some of the oligarchs, their puppet politicians, and a few of their more detestable functionaries. That said, I certainly understand your disinterest in discussing the subject. Just as I am beyond interest in exhortations regarding a duty to vote and/or try to save the tyrannical government from its inevitable collapse. Pursuing only subjects that I find enjoyable, is why I no longer watch cable news, or bother to participate in partisan political discussions. If this is really goodbye, thanks for eleven good years of debate and friendship. Please give J9 my best. Be well, my friend. â—„Daveâ–º +1 Reply jim says: August 5, 2018 at 6:22 pm I think it’s amazing that people admit there is a major problem, admit that they don’t have a clue how to fix it, and yet presented with a system (AP) which at least claims to solve it, cannot acknowledge they should at least agree that something has to be done. 0 Reply Chris says: August 6, 2018 at 6:05 pm This seems to be an appropriate place to drop this. I have moved the web location of my sandbox to my secure domain. Tspeak.us is no more. It’s now just Tspeak with a web address https://adirondackplaza.com/tspeak/ All the content and functions are still there. I just haven’t done much with it lately so I let the domain expire and moved it to a secure domain to keep it locked down. All are still always welcome. +1 Reply â—„Daveâ–º says: August 6, 2018 at 7:54 pm I updated the Blogroll link, Chris. â—„Daveâ–º +1 Reply
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https://www.thoughtsaloud.com/2018/07/01/can-a-second-civil-war-be-avoided/ Can A Second Civil War Be Avoided? July 1st, 2018 | Author: Troy It should be quite clear to anyone paying any attention that the massive protests over everything Trump related get ever closer to outright violence. I lived through the Vietnam War protests and clearly remember students being shot by folks in uniform before the then president shirked his duty and surrendered. Even though the shots are not ringing out (yet), this seems to me a far more polarized situation than we have experienced since our first Civil War. One factor that the protesting progressives seem to have overlooked (despite the growing evidence) is that we clod-heads in “flyover country†are heavily armed and, usually, well skilled in the use of said arms. Do these coastal fools really think they can unseat a duly elected president and complete the destruction of our Republic without serious resistance? Not going to happen. Will there be a “winner†in the coming conflict? I can’t see how there could be. As soon as serious blood begins to flow, our enemies will be picking over our dead and wounded bodies worse than the Arabs during the WWII campaigns in North Africa. Then there is the matter of what our military will do once it hits the fan. My suspicion is that divisions of opinion within the military will mirror those of the nation in general. No idea how that will play out. Point is, I truly think we are heading into a situation that will produce only losses – losses that could be easily avoided by talking rather than screaming at each other. That said, the intentional destruction of our national education system is surely about to pay the predictable dividends. The fact that this is taking a bit longer to materialize than I predicted in earlier articles does not change the reality I think I see all around me. The other thing that I see is that the “good people†for the most part are silently hunkering down hoping the whole thing will simply go away. As it such problems ever do. Think about it. Troy L Robinson +1 Posted in Debate, Education, Liberty « Why I Quit The Libertarian Party Assassination Politics » 43 Responses to “Can A Second Civil War Be Avoided?” Jim Bell says: July 2, 2018 at 11:49 am I frequently point out that the MSM (mainstream media; at least, the liberal/Democrat part of it) probably gave Trump $1-2 billion in free publicity prior to the Republican convention in 2016. In effect, they threw the Republican nomination to Trump. This process was made easier because the Republicans started out with 17 candidates, rather than 2 or 3. At each stage, some candidate(s) was/were going to be winnowed, and usually that winnowing was caused by lack of money or interest. Trump was never going to lack money, whether or not he chose to spend it, and the MSM ensured that he had at least apparent interest. This was intentional. Not, of course, that the MSM wanted Trump to be elected; my hypothesis is that they wanted to have him be the easiest-to-beat candidate of those likely to be nominated. Well, they got what they asked for, even if they didn’t want him to be President. I say all this, in large part because I feel certain that the “civil war” talked about is far less likely to occur, if the MSM/Left/Democrats are outed as having been responsible for Trump’s nomination. And ultimately they bear responsibility for Trump’s eventual election. While I, as a lifetime libertarian, would have still voted for whichever libertarian the LP chose, I would have been much happier if the Republicans had chosen Rand Paul or maybe Ted Cruz. So, blame the MSM. I do. If the public is aware of how much, and which direction, they manipulated the nomination of Trump, they will be far less likely to blame each other for the ultimate outcome. +2 Reply Troy says: July 3, 2018 at 7:45 am I frequently point out that the MSM (mainstream media; at least, the liberal/Democrat part of it) probably gave Trump $1-2 billion in free publicity prior to the Republican convention in 2016. In effect, they threw the Republican nomination to Trump. I think this was mostly because Trump made “good copy”. What the MSM wants most of all is to be watched/read, taken seriously and covering Trump made that happen. I also think there is little doubt that the MSM mostly saw Trump as some sort of buffoon who would never be taken seriously in a general election — especially when running against the crown princess herself. Thankfully, a sufficient portion of the nation saw said crown princess as a generally unwashed self-serving crook who is incapable of telling the truth about anything. Like, perhaps, why her daughter is the spitting image of Webb Hubbell rather than her “husband” who is incapable of making babies. I’m thinking this sham “family” needed a child to complete
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https://www.thoughtsaloud.com/2018/07/08/assassination-politics/ https://www.thoughtsaloud.com/author/troy/ Assassination Politics July 8th, 2018 | Author: Troy Note that I have started a fresh thread for this topic since we are evidently going to continue debating what I consider a frivolous topic. But I must do something to attempt to keep my aging brain alive and this is as good as any I suppose. Let me begin by illustrating what I consider one fatal flaw in Jim/Bill’s reasoning using a direct quote from the essay (emphasis added by me): Imagine for a moment that as ordinary citizens were watching the evening news, they see an act by a government employee or officeholder that they feel violates their rights, abuses the public’s trust, or misuses the powers that they feel should be limited… First, if “they†are watching the evening news, there is an almost certain probability that “they†are being misled to some extent. Second, feeling is the result of an emotional reaction, not a deliberate intellectual review of the facts, including attempts to verify said facts from multiple sources. This hardly constitutes the basis of a death sentence. Now, focus on this very moment in time – a number of Americans who watch the evening news, feel that President Trump is separating Hispanic children from their (possible) parents, presumably because hes does not like children/Hispanics/people in general, and is keeping them in dog kennel like cages. Never mind that the supporting photos of children in kennels were taken during the Obama administration. Would it not then follow that, given your AP proposal, Trump along with a number of Border Patrol personnel should be assassinated? What other conclusion could one arrive at? Yet, those who bother to examine the situation intellectually realize that Trump is merely enforcing laws duly passed by Congress and also enforced by previous administrations. Yes, perhaps Trump has added a degree of added vigor to the enforcement in an attempt to get the Congress off their collective butts and do something for a change. IMHO, in the situation under consideration, it is the Congress that richly deserves every bit of the blame for a sorry situation that has persisted for years – yet feelings prompted by distortions on the evening news lead to quite a different conclusion. You go on to talk about the utility of killing various despots, past and present, rather than engage in war with the nations they seem to control. Do you really believe that a few evil people can control a nation of millions without some level of consent from those millions, even though that consent may be passive or fear driven? If the only way to escape the yoke of a tyrant is by assassinating said tyrant, then, by definition, the United States could never have happened. But it did happen. And the Constitutional system of government bequeathed to us by our founders transformed a rag-tag collection of ex-colonies into the most free, most prosperous and most powerful nation in human history in the historic blink of an eye. Why not simply revert to the system they gave us before we became too spoiled to maintain it? Can you not see why such your AP proposal alarms me​? Think about it. Troy L Robinson 19 Responses to “Assassination Politics” â—„Daveâ–º says: July 8, 2018 at 5:31 pm I must do something to attempt to keep my aging brain alive… I am somewhat willing to assist you with this worthy endeavor, Troy; but it will be difficult to take you seriously, if you persist in labeling this topic frivolous, and categorizing it under humor rather than debate. Since I contend that it is inevitable, I reckon the subject infinitely more debatable, than anything one is likely to see discussed on CNN or MSNBC these days. If the only way to escape the yoke of a tyrant is by assassinating said tyrant, then, by definition, the United States could never have happened. Are you really suggesting that none of the colonial revolutionaries would have assassinated their tyrant, rather than fight his army, if that option had been open to them? Why not? Too “civilized”, perhaps? …into the most free, most prosperous and most powerful nation in human history… Free… prosperous… powerful… NATION? Belonging to a nation, is the antithesis of being free. Troy, you will never be able to take a discussion of this idea seriously, if you are unable to suspend your deeply ingrained statist viewpoint, long enough to at least consider the prospect of truly living a life of Liberty, at peace with your neighbors and the rest of the world. Why not simply revert to the system they gave us…? Because it was not Liberty. Limited government is, by default, limited freedom. Even if it were simple (or even possible) to revert to it, with or without a bloody civil war, it would only be a matter of time until it again evolved into tyranny. It could
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https://www.ukessays.com/essays/politics/assassination-has-been-utilized-as-a-political-tool.php Assassination has been utilized as a political tool Published: 1st Jan 2015 Introduction Assassination has been utilized as a political tool since the beginning of recorded history, marking, altering, or determining the course of events through murder. Even today, assassination and its forms, including terrorism, continue to plague most nations throughout the world. Additional acts of violence, such as ethnic tensions and coups, executions, and civil wars, continue to frequent societies and political systems in the 21st century. Unique to assassinations, whether or not the act is successful does not always reflect failed consequences; all too often, attempted assassinations are equally impactful as complete, or deadly, assassinations. If you need assistance with writing your essay, our professional essay writing service is here to help! Assassinations and assassination attempts, particularly upon heads of state, are often highly ranked in terms of political violence and significance. Besides affecting or killing the victim, assassinations have direct consequences upon critical political institutions and the targeted individual’s nation as a whole. As studied and discussed by political theorists and analysts, assassinations and assassination attempts of important political figures have far-reaching political and societal repercussions. Obviously affecting the targeted government or nation, the sudden and unexpected murder of a head of state or high-ranking official not only interferes with a nation’s political effectiveness, but also promulgates terror and unrest within a government. Most significantly, assassinations and attempts to assassinate often disturb or change the focus of domestic and foreign policy within a nation. As previously mentioned, terrorism is closely related to assassination and no discussion on the latter would be complete without a discussion of the former as well. Besides an obvious systematic and deliberate act of murder, terrorism can also be referred to as either a mass assassination, or a terroristic assassination. Terrorism, according to one source, is “assassinations contrived to create a fear sufficient to destroy a whole system. Terrorism implies a movement whose objective can only be achieved by repeated assassinations over relatively long periods of time, for fear dissipates when pressure is relaxed or exercised intermittently. Similar to assassinations, terrorism has plagued and continues to plague many (if not most) nations, often resulting in political chaos or upset. Furthermore, as with assassinations, terrorism is also saturated with politics; however, unlike assassinations, terrorism is employed through strategy, fueled by religious or ecological motives, and carried out with the ultimate goal of power. Although united by a common denominator, murder, the conceptual differences between assassinations and terrorism are profound and worth separate examination, for the purpose of this study. The Concept of Assassination The violent act of assassination is defined as the murder of a (most likely) political, royal, or public individual. The term is derived from the order of the Assassins, which was an 11th and 12th century Muslim sect that advanced its political goals by murdering high-ranking officials. The origin of the word is assassiyun,Arabic for fundamentalist, from the word assass, foundation. The suicide squad of the Assassins, which was a militant arm of the Islamic Isma’ili sect, was founded by Hassan Sabah and operated from the Alamut cliff top fortress in the Elburz Mountains of Persia, now known as northwestern Iran. The Assassins, according to legend, were called hashishiyun, “smokers of hashish,” by their enemies as the hashish was believed to be the source of their visions—which commanded their violent acts. Marco Polo even wrote of the sect and an impregnable fortress in the mountains of Persia when detailing an account of his travels. However, although the term assassination was not defined until the Muslim sect materialized in the 11th century, their method or tool of political murder had been in use since as early as 900 B.C. The ancient Greeks and Romans did not have a word that corresponds with our word assassination. “A killing was simply a means to an end; its moral significance depended entirely on the nature of the person killed” [italics original]. An individual who killed a public figure was either a murderer or a tyrannicide, and the latter term was a synonymous word for “liberator,” one who freed his country. According to Cicero, some of the most celebrated figures in Greek and Roman history were tyrant-killers. Brutus, who murdered Caesar, was born of a long line of tyrant-killers. Undeniably, assassins make history. The Concept of Terrorism For the purpose of being thorough, it is worth examining the earliest uses of the word terror.
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https://www.amazon.com/Assassination-Politics-Murder-Linda-Laucella/dp/1565656288 Assassination: The Politics of Murder - May 1, 1998 Documents the political assassinations that have changed the course of history, looking at the victims, their assassins and their motives, the political climate, conspiracy theories, and the aftermath. https://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/AP.pdf "Assassination Politics": I speculated on the question of whether an organization could be set up to legally announce that it would be awarding a cash prize to somebody who correctly "predicted" the death of one of a list of violators of rights, usually either government employees, officeholders, or appointees.
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https://ctc.westpoint.edu/the-causes-and-impact-of-political-assassinations/ https://ctc.westpoint.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Sentinel-January-2015-vol-8-issue-120.pdf The Causes and Impact of Political Assassinations January 2015, Volume 8, Issue 1 Authors: Arie Perliger Categories: Terror Behavior , Weapons and Tactics , Individual Terrorist Actors PDF Political assassinations have been part of social reality since the emergence of communal social frameworks, as the leaders of tribes, villages, and other types of communities constantly needed to defend their privileged status. In the ancient world assassination featured prominently in the rise and fall of some of the greatest empires. While many people are familiar with the military victories of Alexander the Great, few today recall that his ascendance to power was facilitated by the assassination of his father (an innovative and talented politician in his own right), who was struck down by a bodyguard as he was entering a theater to attend his daughter’s marriage celebrations. In a somewhat more famous incident, Gaius Julius Caesar was assassinated in 44 BCE by Roman senators who increasingly feared that Caesar would revoke their privileges. In modern times, political assassinations continue to play an important role in political and social processes and, in some cases, have a dramatic effect. For example, many argue that the assassination of the Israeli Prime Minister Itzhak Rabin in 1995 was a major reason for the collapse of the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians.1 It is also difficult to deny the impact of the assassinations of figures such as Martin Luther King or Benazir Bhutto on the success of their political movements/parties following their deaths. Thus, it is not surprising that Appleton argues, “The impact of assassinations on America and the World is incalculable,”2 and that Americans cite the assassination of John F. Kennedy as the crime that has had the greatest impact on American society in the last 100 years.3 Nonetheless, despite the apparently significant influence of political assassinations on political and social realities, this particular manifestation of political action is understudied and, as a result, poorly understood. This article is a summary of a broader study that will be published later by the Combating Terrorism Center (CTC) and aims to improve our understanding of the causes and implications of political assassinations. It makes use of an original and comprehensive worldwide data set of political assassinations between 1945 and 2013. The findings illustrate the trends that characterize the phenomenon and challenge some of the existing conventions about political assassinations and their impact. Data and Rationale In order to investigate the causes and implications of political assassinations, the CTC constructed a data set that includes political assassinations worldwide from 1946 to early 2013. After defining political assassinations as “an action that directly or indirectly leads to the death of an intentionally targeted individual who is active in the political sphere, in order to promote or prevent specific policies, values, practices or norms pertaining to the collective,” the CTC consulted a variety of resources, including relevant academic books and articles, media sources (especially LexisNexis and The New York Times archive), and online resources, to identify 758 attacks by 920 perpetrators that resulted in the death of 954 individuals. (Some attacks led to the death of multiple political leaders; however, the death of “bystanders” is not included in this number.) This study is guided by the rationale that the logic of political assassinations is different from that of other manifestations of political violence. Hence, it is important to understand the unique factors that may encourage or discourage violent groups or individuals from engaging in political assassinations. Moreover, it seems reasonable to assume that these factors vary among different types of assassinations because in most cases the characteristics of the targeted individual shape the nature and objectives of the assassination. Indeed, this study establishes that different processes trigger different types of assassinations and that different types of assassinations generate distinct effects on the political and social arenas. General Observations Although the first two decades after World War II were characterized by a limited number of political assassinations, the number of such attacks has risen dramatically since the early 1970s. This is reflective of the emergence of a new wave of terrorist groups, radical and universal ideologies operating on a global scale, and a growing willingness by oppressive regimes to use assassinations as a tool in their treatment of political opposition. Indeed, while most assassinations of government officials were perpetrated by sub-state violent groups, most assassinations of
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https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=sanjuro user: sanjuro created: October 14, 2013 karma: 5 about: submissions comments favorites New directions in assassination markets (tor2web.org) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7765012 http://assmkedzgorodn7o.tor2web.org/blog/2014-05-18/new-directions-in-assassination-markets 3 points by sanjuro on May 19, 2014 | hide | past | favorite | 3 comments justintocci on May 19, 2014 [–] This guy reminds me of the "lottery club" we had in my high school. After a few years of no one winning, they graduated off with the money. sanjuro on May 19, 2014 | parent | next [–] As I said, I've been doing this for 10 months at great risk to my mental health. If this was only a scam, I would be an idiot, as there are far easier ways to make money at a lower risk. The point of this update is mainly to allow people to get their money back. The old design did not allow for this and could easily allude to the scenario you're reminded of. Now it's hardly a lottery at all, except that the prediction mechanism reminds one of it. It's crowdfunding. krapp on May 19, 2014 | parent | prev [–] Would a "new direction" for an assassination market be one that actually worked as advertised?
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Assassination Politics (archive.org) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=327329 http://web.archive.org/web/20041009113523/http://jya.com/ap.htm 5 points by eru on Oct 9, 2008 | hide | past | favorite | 1 comment eru on Oct 9, 2008 [–] Disturbing. Assassination Politics (outpost-of-freedom.com) http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/jimbellap.htm 3 points by byrneseyeview on Feb 19, 2008 | hide | past | favorite | 1 comment randallsquared on Feb 19, 2008 [–] Requires high-volume untraceable payments (digital cash), which everyone thought was around the corner in the late 90s, but never quite happened.
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Assassination Politics (1997) (cryptome.org) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6544251 http://cryptome.org/ap.htm 39 points by kilroy123 on Oct 13, 2013 | hide | past | favorite | 62 comments https://twitter.com/pro2rat/status/389410900832038912 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bell https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/30/a-ceo-who-resisted-nsa-spying-is-out-of-prison-and-he-feels-vindicated-by-snowden-leaks/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D64KcZsD82E https://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/as-always-stand-up-to-be-counted-and-youll-likely-be-shot-down-20130110-2cixc.html https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/20/civil-disobedience-sanchez-gordillo https://www.amazon.com/Machine-Kills-Secrets-EmpowerWhistleblowers-ebook/dp/B007HUD7LU/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restorative_justice https://www.amazon.com/Anarchy-State-Utopia-Robert-Nozick/dp/0465097200/ https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Times-Revised-Edition-Perennial/dp/0060935502 https://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2013/07/in_case_of_revo.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_gubernatorial_recall_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment https://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704009804575308440143301092.html https://assmkedzgorodn7o.onion/ cryptome on Oct 13, 2013 | next [–] Jim Bell is out of prison after 10 years and remains defiant and is posting again on one of his original fora, cypherpunks. The archives has Jim's recent posts: http://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/ Subscribe to cpunks: https://cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks Then there is CJ, Carl Johnson, who was sent to prison for supporting Bell. He is on Twitter among other places, also still promoting AP defiantly: https://twitter.com/pro2rat Neither are interested in remaining anonymous. anthonyb on Oct 14, 2013 | parent | next [–] Not just AP, but nuking people you don't like, too: https://twitter.com/pro2rat/status/389410900832038912 triplesec on Oct 14, 2013 | root | parent | next [–] This is the biggest issue with AP. Where down the line you stop, in assassinating leaders? With what criteria? rdl on Oct 14, 2013 | prev | next [–] I got "invited" to federal court over this (I ran the mailing list archive at MIT which USG used as evidence). I was outside the US at the time, working on anon ecash in the Caribbean, so it was a request, not a demand. I met Jennifer Granick as a result, and learned the "if you can possibly avoid it, never ever set foot inside federal court" rule, which has subsequently served me quite well. Jim Bell probably tops weev as an unsympathetic defendant. angersock on Oct 14, 2013 | parent | next [–] I met Jennifer Granick as a result, and learned the "if you can possibly avoid it, never ever set foot inside federal court" rule, which has subsequently served me quite well. Would you be able to elaborate on that any further? rdl on Oct 14, 2013 | root | parent | next [–] I was outside the USA, and it was just a request with no legal weight. I stayed on a tiny island in the Caribbean for the duration of the trial. (It wasn't a big deal to FBI, either -- I answered their questions through counsel, and the whole thing was essentially a formality. Jim Bell was posting to a public list for which I maintained public archives, so I had no legal or moral duty to him or anyone else. I was 18 or 19, and almost went because it would have been a free trip to DC and potentially interesting, but the correctly raised concern is that I could have been ordered to remain available if I had been there. Not worth the risk, especially since I wasn't particularly helpful to anyone (I would have been fine with helping IRS CID when a guy was posting personal threats on people publicly) I actually tried to explain to both sides that my archiver wasn't assured to be canonical; it was just a regular list subscriber, with a simple to discover email address, and no inbound filtering (since cp list addresses were distributed and constantly changing), so anyone could post random messages to it. Even worse, sending a forged message id with new content would overwrite the original message. fiatmoney on Oct 13, 2013 | prev | next [–] The saga of Jim Bell after the publication of that essay provides an excellent case study in why people like "Satoshi" have an interest in remaining as anonymous as possible. csense on Oct 13, 2013 | parent | next [–] I wasn't familiar with this, but Wikipedia knows of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bell There are many excellent reasons for remaining anonymous or pseudonymous, both online and offline. That being said, there's a vast difference between inventing a disruptive technology and advocating (even in jest) the killing of government officials. I'm not taking the
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Assassination Politics (1997) (jya.com)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32790951
http://jya.com/ap.htm
56 points by Tomte 14 days ago | hide | past | favorite | 35 comments
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy_Analysis_Market
https://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2013101261A1.html
neilv 14 days ago | next [–]
I met the author, Jim Bell, once or twice, when he came by the
computer store I was working in as a kid.
He seemed OK, in the few words we exchanged, and maybe a techie/radio
hobbyist (IIRC, his car had many antennae on it).
At that time, in the 1980s, someone remarked that Bell had "had one
good idea" (the SemiDisk persistent storage card).
Later on, it looks from Wikipedia like Bell had a lot of troubles.
The light joke about "one good idea" IMHO took on new, darker meaning,
after some of the choices during the troubles, including the
horrifying idea that's the topic of the post.
I suppose a good SF writer could've started with that idea, and
explored an (IMHO likely) scenario of it playing out as a tool of the
most corrupt and the most insane, and then the dystopia that results
in.
I haven't read much of Bell's writings, so I don't know whether at
some point he shifted to a cautionary "we should figure out how to
prevent things like this, because they would be bad".
thomassmith65 14 days ago | parent | next [–]
Sheesh, so the article isn't satire? I assumed the whole thing was
making fun of libertarians.
santoshalper 14 days ago | root | parent | next [–]
The line between espousing libertarian beliefs and satirizing them is so thin.
droopyEyelids 14 days ago | root | parent | next [–]
The line dissolves when you ask a libertarian where property rights
come from, and how they apply to land.
asah 14 days ago | prev | next [–]
Lol. So many flaws... but nobody knew in 1997...
For one thing, life imprisonment (LiP) is a pretty big deterrent, and
among the few willing to risk it, defense tech and the surveillance
state are generally winning the arms race against individual actors
and small groups ("terrorists"). Lots of people want to kill world
leaders and yet assassination attempts (let alone successes!) are
quite rare. This leaves the question of less-defended people, and
there it's more mixed: it's much easier to do but 10^6-10^10 fewer
people want to kill them which makes it a lot easier to catch the
conspirators simply by tracking who had motive. Finally, everyday
victims don't usually have haters with enough capital to motivate
someone to risk LiP - again, making it easy to track down the perps by
motive.
impossiblefork 14 days ago | parent | next [–]
I don't think that's true, that it's fear of imprisonment etc. Such
things definitely matter, but I think the reason for the lack of
political assassinations is the same as why we don't get horrible
viruses that spread like wildfire and kill Ebola (which I believe to
be that bioscience professors aren't usually very evil).
People who could easily murder politicians and others just don't want
to. Perhaps they don't hate them all that much, perhaps they like
democracy even though it puts people they dislike into high positions,
perhaps they're opposed to murder.
We don't see mortar or drone attacks using image recognition (instead
of radio control which could conceivably fail if basic precautions had
been taken) on presidents and prime ministers in Europe even though
such attacks would be trivial and the perpetrators would probably have
a decent chance of getting away. It's because people don't hate them
all that much and because the people who hate them a lot don't see
such attacks as politically productive.
Presumably the reason unfriendly countries don't perform such attacks
against those governments that oppose them is that it's not
politically productive and would lead to a negative reaction instead
of just removing the people the unfriendly country would like to be
rid of.
Teever 14 days ago | root | parent | next [–]
> People who could easily murder politicians and others just don't want to.
> Perhaps they don't hate them all that much, perhaps they like democracy even
> though it puts people they dislike into high positions, perhaps they're
> opposed to murder.
I've wondered what makes unstable Americans conduct school shootings
but not targeted assassinations?
Like, there is a part of the population that has no problem killing,
and killing for shock value, but for whatever reason their targets are
children and not politicians. The 1960s and 1970s were full of
assassinations and plane hijackings by all kinds of people but they
seem to have been replaced by the mass murder of children.
impossiblefork 14 days ago | root | parent | next [–]
I think it's fear of a power negative media reaction-- that the murder
would lead to
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> In The Age Of COVID, We're Reminded An Unjust Law Is No Law At All > https://mises.org/wire/age-covid-were-reminded-unjust-law-no-law-all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a52uMkEg4g Crypto: Giver of Law Multiple mechanisms, including Funding Lobbying and Influence Campaign Markets, are now developing to check and push support for crypto. In a world rapidly and rightly adopting crypto for freedom, being anti-crypto may end up the same as all the positions over eons past that also resulted in political suicide. Coinbase Now Lets Users Check Which Politicians Are Crypto Friendly https://decrypt.co/109809/coinbase-now-lets-users-check-politicians-are-crypto-friendly
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> Notable uptick... > Stay out of the crossfire. CIA office holders etc planned to murder Journalist Assange for exposing impropriety. US Democrat office holder Robert Telles murders Journalist German for exposing impropriety in office thus losing re-election... https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/homicides/police-arrest-county-official-in-reporters-stabbing-death-2635486/ https://www.foxnews.com/us/police-search-home-democrat-official-connection-stabbing-investigative-journalist-jeff-german https://newscinema.in/journalist-published-footage-of-democrat-official-having-an-affair-that-ended-his-career
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> Notable uptick... > Stay out of the crossfire. Argentina VP Survives Point-Blank Assassination Attempt https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-62762421 https://freedomhouse.org/sites/default/files/inline_images/Argentina.pdf https://twitter.com/LautaroMaislin/status/1565506730661904384 https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/argentina-vp-unharmed-after-assailant-threatens-her-with-gun-2022-09-02/ https://apnews.com/article/caribbean-buenos-aires-argentina-3583b98f34338e703061010fbbf72065 Argentinian vice president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner survived an astonishingly close encounter with death on Thursday night, as a would-be assassin pointed a loaded pistol at her head and seemingly pulled the trigger with no effect. The gun was loaded with five rounds, according to President Alberto Fernández. "Cristina remains alive because, for a reason not yet technically confirmed, the gun, which contained five bullets, did not fire," he said in a nationwide television broadcast, describing the attack as "the most serious incident since we recovered democracy” in 1983. Amidst a throng of supporters outside her home, Vice President Fernández was exiting her vehicle when a pistol emerged from the crowd -- the muzzle just inches from her face. A video captured the astounding incident -- and, it seems, even the click of the would-be assassin's trigger pull: El video del arma contra @CFKArgentina pic.twitter.com/8j1xpMnPoe — Lautaro Maislin (@LautaroMaislin) September 2, 2022 Fernández de Kirchner blinked and ducked down as first the crowd and then her security detail reacted. The assailant was quickly apprehended as he stood amongst her backers. Though his name has not yet been released, authorities say he is a 35-year old of Brazilian origin. Fernández de Kirchner is embroiled in controversy: "The attack came as the vice president is facing a trial for alleged acts of corruption during her 2007-2015 presidency — charges that she vehemently denies and that have led her supporters to surround her home in the upscale Recoleta neighborhood of Argentina’s capital," reports the Associated Press. She stands accused of defrauding the government and corruptly awarding public works projects to her political base in Patagonia. Prosecutors are seeking a 12-year sentence and a lifetime ban from politics. As Senate president, however, she enjoys immunity, which could end with her losing a late-2023 election or if the Supreme Court ratifies her sentence. Mere inches separated Cristina Fernández de Kirchner from near-certain death (Television Publica Argentina via AP) "We can disagree, we can have deep disagreements, but hate speech cannot take place because it breeds violence and there is no chance of violence coexisting with democracy," President Fernández said. Another angle shows the pistol extended as Fernández de Kirchner exits her vehicle (Reuters via BBC) In what might be a seen as an exploitation of the event, Fernández declared Friday a national holiday so that Argentines could "express themselves in defense of life, democracy and in solidarity with our vice president." Witnesses of the assassination attempt console each other in the aftermath (AP photo/Natacha Pisarenko)
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Lindsay Graham appears to have outflanked most all self-described cypherpunks and anarchists in the world with his call to ice the warmonger Chekist, Vladdy-boy Pooter. But, never mind, its always morning on the internet . . . https://stiffs.com/celebrity/vladimirputin There he goes! GET HIM!
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> Notable uptick... > Stay out of the crossfire. Russian Oil Oligarch Who Criticized Ukraine War 'Falls' Out Of Hospital Window To His Death https://www.interfax.ru/moscow/860208 https://www.businessinsider.com/these-are-all-the-russian-oligarchs-mysteriously-died-in-2022-2022-4 https://ria.ru/20220901/maganov-1813637122.html https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/united-states-obtains-warrant-seizure-45-million-airplane-owned-russian-energy-company-pjsc https://www.lukoil.com/PressCenter/Pressreleases/Pressrelease?rid=577636 https://www.businessinsider.com/lukoil-oligarch-fell-fell-out-of-window-died-state-2022-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-gazprom-linked-executive-found-dead-in-his-swimming-pool-2022-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-oligarch-death-novatek-doubts-sergey-protosenya-murder-suicide-theory-2022-4 Ravil Maganov, the vice president and chair of the board of directors of Russian oil giant Lukoil, died after falling out of a sixth floor hospital window in Moscow on Thursday, state-controlled media reported. Maganov was in Moscow's Central Clinical Hospital - reportedly a top-notch medical facility that serves senior Russian officials and other elite clients - when he "fell out of the window" and died from his injuries, an unnamed "informed source" told Russian news agency Interfax. The state news agency RIA Novosti followed up with confirmation from a representative of the presidential administration, which manages the hospital campus. A law enforcement source told the outlet that the death was likely a suicide. Maganov's death comes hours after the US Justice Department announced a warrant to seize a $45 million Boeing aircraft belonging to Lukoil. Perhaps most notably, Maganov's death comes almost six months to the day after Lukoil released a statement expressing "deepest concerns" about Putin's war in Ukraine. In a joint statement to shareholders, staff, and customers, the company's board of directors said that it was "calling for the soonest termination of the armed conflict. We express our sincere empathy for all victims, who are affected by this tragedy. We strongly support a lasting ceasefire and a settlement of problems through serious negotiations and diplomacy." Falling short of naming it as an invasion - which is outlawed in Russia - the statement was nonetheless a striking departure from the Kremlin's messaging. Lukoil confirmed Maganov's death, stating that it came "after a lengthy serious illness," and there is speculation that the 67-year-old may have taken his own life after receiving bad news about his condition. However, as Insider notes, Maganov's death is the latest in a string of unexplained or untimely deaths of Russian magnates connected to the energy industry in the last months.
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> Notable uptick... > Stay out of the crossfire. Putin Ally Assassination Attempt Reportedly Ends In Daughter's Death https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11130731/Daughter-Ukraine-war-mastermind-blown-pieces-Moscow-car-bomb.html https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1561098991382589440 The daughter of Alexander Dugin - a close ally and adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin - has reportedly been killed in an assassination attempt meant for her father. Darya Dugin was 'blown to pieces' near Moscow suburb of Bolshiye Vyazyomy, according to reports, which say taht Alexander had originally planned to travel back with her from a festival before deciding to ride in a separate car, according to the Daily Mail and other outlets.
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> Notable uptick... Stay out of the crossfire. Biden (US Gov) murdered Al-Zawahiri (Islam Gov). Matar (Islam Gov) attempted Rushdie (FreeSpeech Gov). Yamagami (re Cult Gov victim) murders Abe (re Unification Church Cult Gov). Chail (Sikh Gov) attempted Elizabeth (UK Gov). Windsor Castle intruder admitted he was there ‘to kill the Queen’ https://nypost.com/2022/08/17/windsor-castle-intruder-admitted-plan-to-kill-the-queen/ https://nypost.com/2022/08/02/windsor-castle-intruder-charged-with-threatening-queen/ https://nypost.com/2021/12/29/windsor-castle-crossbow-wielding-intruder-hated-royals/ https://nypost.com/2021/12/25/intruder-arrested-at-windsor-castle-amid-queen-elizabeths-christmas-stay/ The hooded and masked intruder who busted into Windsor Castle with a high-powered crossbow on Christmas Day had filmed a video bragging of his plans to “assassinate” Queen Elizabeth II, a court heard Wednesday. Jaswant Singh Chail, 20, recorded the video just before he entered the castle grounds — while the 96-year-old monarch was inside celebrating the holiday, prosecutors told London’s Westminster Magistrates’ Court. “I am sorry for what I have done and what I will do. I am going to attempt to assassinate Elizabeth, queen of the royal family,” he said in the video, in which he was seen holding a crossbow and wearing a terrifying-looking face covering. Screenshot from video Chail filmed before intrusion.Jaswant Singh Chail was carrying a powerful crossbow and had a hood and mask that a cop said looked like a Halloween outfit, his court hearing heard.The Sun UK “This is revenge for those who died in the 1919 massacre,” Chail said, referring to an incident when British troops shot dead nearly 400 Sikhs in their holy city of Amritsar in northwestern India. “It is also revenge for those who have been killed, humiliated and discriminated on because of their race,” he said in the video. Chail managed to get to an area where he would have access to the private quarters of the castle — where the Queen was celebrating with her eldest son, heir apparent Prince Charles — before he was spotted at 8:10 a.m. by a royal protection officer, the court heard. “I am here to kill the Queen,” he allegedly told the cop, who immediately drew a Taser and ordered the intruder to drop to his knees, prosecutors said. Britain's Queen Elizabeth IIChail allegedly told a cop who spotted him that he was “here to kill the Queen.”POOL/AFP via Getty Images The officer described Chail as looking like something out of a vigilante film or dressed for Halloween, and the “Supersonic X-bow” he had on him is capable of fatal injuries, the prosecution said. Windsor Castle intruder busted with a crossbow charged with trying to ‘injure or alarm’ Queen Elizabeth II Searches of Chail’s home in Southampton also found a gas mask and rope, the court was told. His electronic devices also showed he’d applied to the UK’s Ministry of Defence and the Grenadier Guards in an effort to make contact with the royal family, the court heard. Chail is charged under the Treason Act with intending to “injure the person of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, or to alarm her Majesty.” He has also been charged with threats to kill and possession of an offensive weapon. He was not asked to enter a plea at Wednesday’s hearing, where he appeared remotely from Broadmoor, a high-security psychiatric hospital. He was ordered detained until his next court appearance on Sept. 14. Charges under the Treason Act of 1842 are rare. In 1981, Marcus Sarjeant was charged under the act after firing blank shots at the Queen as she rode on horseback in the Trooping the Color parade in London. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to five years in prison. Court artist sketch of Chail appearing virtually Wednesday.Chail has been charged under the rarely used Treason Act with intending to “injure the person of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, or to alarm her Majesty.” Elizabeth Cook/PA Images/Alamy I A more serious and even older Treason Act — from 1351 — has not been used since World War II, when William Joyce, a propagandist nicknamed Lord Haw Haw, collaborated with the Nazis. He was hanged in 1946. Indians have long demanded a formal apology from Britain for what is also known as the 1919 Jallianwala Bagh massacre, when British troops opened fire on unarmed civilians who had gathered to protest against a colonial law. Queen Elizabeth II laid a wreath at the site of the massacre during a visit to India in 1997 and referred to it as a “distressing example” of “difficult episodes” in the past.
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Notable uptick within the world's political sphere over recent years in both mentions / rhetoric, and of actual completed assassinations. That old game of thrones. Here's another one... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/member-irans-islamic-revolutionary-guard-corps-irgc-charged-plot-murder-former-national https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2022/08/10/crypto-payments-implicated-in-alleged-bolton-assassination-plot-us-doj-says/
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> SWITZERLAND: “Wanted” posters for the elites belonging to the WEF Rep. Lee Zeldin Attacked On Stage By Knife-Wielding Assailant Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-NY) was attacked by a man with a blade on Thursday evening during a campaign stop in Fairport, NY, near Rochester, WROC reports. Zeldin, the NY Republican gubernatorial candidate, was giving a speech about bail reform when a man walked on stage, began yelling, "wrestled with him a bit, and pulled a blade out," before AMVETS national Director Joe Chenelly stopped him. Here is video of the attack involving Rep. Zeldin from witness Cody Crippen pic.twitter.com/Ur1CfpkdsS — Nick Reisman (@NickReisman) July 22, 2022 According to a statement from Zeldin's campaign, "a man climbed on stage and attempted to stab Congressman Lee Zeldin (R-NY) ... Congressman Zeldin grabbed the attacker's wrist to stop him until several others assisted in taking the attacker down to the ground." Group of men immediately jumped on stage and subdued the man. @News_8 @13WHAM @nypost @news10nbc @FoxNews @cnnbrk pic.twitter.com/d1ryz4F9fU — Ian Bradley (@bornawinner92) July 22, 2022
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> https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1546198627814498304 > Apparently DC Democrat Operatives are paying $200 to anyone https://twitter.com/KatieDaviscourt/status/1549417453922316288 SWITZERLAND: “Wanted” posters for the elites belonging to the World Economic Forum. https://twitter.com/NerumWim/status/1548425493648588804 Switzerland is awake. Wanted posters for Great Reset criminals being displayed in style at a protest. Who should be added? https://media.gab.com/system/media%5C_attachments/files/111/260/079/playable/dee515d3a66c8b11.mp4 Wanted Posters for WEF'rs etc "Could it be Switzerland doesn't want these technocrat con artists and fascist globalist monopolist neo-Communists using their country as an HQ anymore."
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Anonymity is only needed if a society is intolerant, abusive to individuals / subcultures / ethnicities / etc., has draconian or overbroad laws that are applied in racist, classist, ageist, etc. ways, and similarly broken dynamics. We need it less than we used to, but the need is uneven around the world and fluctuates. It is of course best for society, with or without anonymity, to eliminate all of those society shortcomings. And that is precisely what liberal & progressive politics (in most ways), social justice, civil rights, and other movements have been promoting & achieving. You used to need anonymity if you wanted to have sex out of wedlock, gay anything, interracial anything, use marijuana, talk to people in certain parts of the world, etc. The flip side is that many things considered, and often legally considered, to be bad are enabled by anonymity: fraud, abuses of various kinds, underage sex targeting, extremist indoctrination of those without sufficient mental firewalls who are weak to manipulation, conspiracies for terrorism / overthrowing government / murder / mayhem, etc. Many people want those stopped at any cost, including deanonymising as needed. A lot of old & new laws are about this. Sometimes they seem fair, sometimes not. In recent years & decades, many problematic situations have resolved, laws negated. We just took a step backward, in the majority of people's minds, where suddenly a big category of anonymity has become important again. I already had a personal rule never to discuss anyone's abortion with anyone but them forever for just this kind of reason. I felt it was just too hot of a topic and I didn't want anyone to feel unwanted scrutiny or shame-based regret. Probably it was bad that many people did that as people could, in their mind, build up this idea that it was rare, bad, abused, not a normal thing, etc. which helped boost, especially in immature & less thoughtful people, that it should be outlawed. People often think that they are anonymous in various ways, when they are not. People think their votes are secret, and that is true in a limited way, but the bar is fairly low. I ran for city council in a city in Silicon Valley. As part of that, I found that for <$100 I could buy a DVD with a file with all of the names, addresses, phone numbers, and email addresses of all registered voters in Santa Clara County, including how they voted in 5 races. Anyone with a justifiable reason, which is a low bar I think as anyone can say they are starting a PAC which I think is a valid justification, can buy such a database for any county in the US. (I hesitate to point this out here, but surely this is widely known. Keep in mind: the GOP operatives legally have this for every county in the US, and that they shared it with the Russians for voter targeting via Facebook et al. That seems like it should be illegal, but apparently was not.) So the FBI & others have sometimes abused their powers & access in the past. And they may sometimes now, although it is much more difficult presumably, with some kind of auditing & checks. And certainly many want to avoid their scrutiny out of principle, etc. But most people, when they directly or indirectly vote and otherwise insist on perfect security & safety from bad actors shooting up a school, poisoning a community, or crashing a plane, are endorsing government agencies deanonymising as needed. And, given tight controls & narrow usage, with auditing and actual consequences for consequential abuse, I am OK with that. It is OK if someone somewhere (and their AI / ML booster systems) see 'too much' if they never share or do anything bad with that information. It has long been the case that we have to trust the IRS with a lot of detailed information, which even includes stating income from illegal activities which they are restricted by law from sharing with law enforcement. Their are certain other cases where we firewall to gain a greater good. And that counts for large entities with widespread access, even more so: I've talked to many people who are suspicious of Google, Amazon, et al wrt smart speakers, email, browsing data, advertisement tracking, etc. It always puzzled me why random people feel the details of their lives are so important that companies valued in the trillions would deliberately betray trust in any way for some hard to fathom minuscule benefit. Some leaking, uncomfortable situations have happened, but they are often corrected or at least they are clear & normalized as necessary. I have been wanting to create a new approach to communications, social networking, and general information sharing. One problem to be solved is supporting encryption, identity, security, etc. while also avoiding things like extremist / criminal abuses, and things like the India Villiage Rumor Killings gossip problem. I have some ideas for that, and
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Assassination_market Talk:Assassination market >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to navigation Jump to search Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · NYT · WP Library Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · NYT · WP Library Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · NYT · WP Library Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 20 June 2009 (UTC). The result of the discussion was no consensus. Proposed deletion This page was proposed for deletion by Bigdaddy1981 (talk · contribs) on 13 June 2009. It was contested by Colonel Warden (talk · contribs) on 2009-06-19 WikiProject Council This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects: WikiProject Death (Rated Stub-class, Low-importance) WikiProject Crime (Rated Stub-class, Mid-importance) WikiProject Internet(Rated Stub-class, Low-importance) Contents 1 Melodramatic opinion 2 Missing sources? 3 Issues 4 The discussion is not quite historically correct 5 Needs Revision 6 Sloppy thinking 6.1 Vote 7 Trillion dollar hit 8 Unclear Writing 9 Al Qaeda 10 Jim Bell mention missing? 11 "Wikipedia does not allow the URL of this source" 12 Online marketplace has closed 13 Identical to Agatha Christie Book 14 Assassination market cashed out 15 List of murders ordered via markets Melodramatic opinion Resolved – Objectionable passage deleted, per WP:NOR/WP:NPOV/WP:NOT#SOAPBOX. The final sentence of the article, "If the concept is taken up as civil disobedience as suggested by Jim Bell then this could easily lead to the end of all open and above ground government anywhere on earth," seems a bit too apocalyptic for a serious encyclopedia. this is kind of intense, but given the sophistication of Al Qaeda etc., I am quite sure we are not telling them anything here they don't already know... Missing sources? Resolved – Not missing. Interestingly, much of the material describing this stuff is no longer on the open web... This isn't true really. Large proportions of the very early cypherpunks archives are on the web. [1] This topic was discussed there heavily 1993 onwards. The ideas are all covered at a broad level in Cyphernomicon and Bell's Assassination politics articles. Among other archive sites of CP materials, and of course archive.org. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 08:06, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply] Issues Resolved – Long since fixed. The "Jim Bell" link to zolatimes redirects to another location which yields 404 "File not found". The final sentence of the third paragrpah is incomplete. It ends "it is substantially more difficult to assign criminal liability for the action(s)." Substantially more difficult than what? Dominus 14:50 Mar 12, 2003 (UTC) The discussion is not quite historically correct Tim May had already discussed the idea of cryptographic protocols enabling the existence of abhorrent markets (such as assassination markets) before Jim Bell's "Assassination Politics" post (which was intially to the cypherpunks mailing list, iirc. I personally recall seeing such discussion in the extropians mailing list ~1993-1994 and on cypherpunks in 1994. Tim May is easily discovered on Usenet, so finding his email address is simple. I recommend contacting him for his version of events. This discussion is peurile imo because Jim Bell is misrepresented and unable to defend himself.Jim was the first to bring out the great libertory and freeing effects that assassination politics would bring to the world. Quite the opposite tack to the neo-nazi Tim Mays ' abhorrent' markets. Jims conception was less of a market and more of a mass movement of civil disobedience and he is quite explicit about that toward the end of his ten page essay. Jim was investigated, charged and is serving hard time today whereas no one knows where the neo-nazi Tim May is and no one cares. Jim Bell was arrested and charged while at the same time the pentagon was stealing the concept and renaming it ' Policy analysis markets.' Shades of the infamous theft of PROMIS software from the INSLAW company.From my reading of the cypherpunks list it peaked with the genius, Jim Bells contributions circa 1996-7 and then declined rapidly under the flaming racist meglomania of the neo-nazi Tim May. Stuff about Jim is stored at Cryptome inc trial testimony and he should be released in 2010, a prophet without honor in his own land and in his own time, Jim Bell is a latter day Martin Luther King and assassination politics is the death warrant for all governments. Last time I checked, Martin Luther King didn't tell people to kill people. Jim Bell did not write his Assassination Politics essay
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> If cypherpunks claim that their Prediction Markets and other ideas could > solve some of the world's hard problems... On 7/10/22, professor rat wrote: > Looking for Proactive Kill-Switch company > ... > I'm hoping just before - or around - CYPHERPUNK 2027 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_market It's been known likely since before the genesis of cryptocurrency, and certainly thereafter, for at least a decade now, including since Sanjuro, and since the debate over Augur's moderators ability to cancel awards over "unconscionable" markets, and since many more now public examples... that any crypto that can send a message along with the bid transaction (such as lots of Ethereum ERC-20, and Craig Wright's BSV, and more) could be used for Assassination Politics, or any Prediction Market in general. In fact, games on outcomes have been running over trivial questions such as the weather, sports, and elections for a while now on some PM platforms. The Rat... apparently too tech-dumb, coward, cop, or fake to run his own game, thus his grandstanding 2027 style posts. And his failure to properly thread posts is just as immature, and just as non-productive to the game he claims to sling. Anyhow... like the cryptocurrencies they rely on, Prediction Markets will change the world for the better. See a pothole in the road? Put up a market to get it fixed, bidders will concur, predictors will fix it to spec, no Government needed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prediction_market
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https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1546198627814498304 Apparently DC Democrat Operatives are paying $200 to anyone in service industry (restaurant, retail, etc) calling out the realtime locations of their political enemies (judges, probably soon to be others) so they can target them for... harassment flashmobs.
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Apologies that I have not been keeping up with this thread, so my commentary may be disruptive. I've kind of been just using the list as a notepad in spam threads, which might be disrespectful. I'm thinking of anonymity and AP. Democracies need anonymity, so if democracy sticks around, we'll need to improve how information spreads from citizens, anyway. In the meantime, murder is legal in many contexts such as self defense in many areas, by government workers such as law enforcement, or probably with support of a major group already participating in it in some way. I imagine such things have been mentioned or thought of before. Seems like "legitimate" assassination fould be a way to rebootstrap things in a surveilled situation. But really we need anonymity anyway. I wonder how targeted people could support rebuilding common anonymity.
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any thoughts on relevance of AP today given increased difficulty in retaining anonymity when there is a significant power disparity?
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> https://nypost.com/2022/07/08/shinzo-abe-assassin-used-homemade-gun/ Speaking of Assassins and Communism... The 1960 Assassination of Inejirō Asanuma That Saved Japan From Communism http://5qg6inrpkyipshsgmtitizxyc6cew6m6az4rkxqmm7lepjibvepme5yd.onion/2022/07/08/the-1960-assassination-of-inejiro-asanuma-that-saved-japan-from-communism/ Video: On 12 October 1960, Inejirō Asanuma (浅沼 稲次郎, Asanuma Inejirō), chairman of the Japan Socialist Party, was assassinated at Hibiya Public Hall in Tokyo. During a televised debate, a 17-year-old right-wing ultranationalist named Otoya Yamaguchi charged onto the stage and fatally stabbed Asanuma with a wakizashi (a type of traditional short sword).
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> Assassination technologies https://nypost.com/2022/07/08/shinzo-abe-assassin-used-homemade-gun/ Commercial factory produced? No. 3D-Printed? No. Guns and ammo banned? Yes. Homemade? Yes. Pipe, wood, duct tape, zip ties, batteries, glow coils, black powder, projectiles... crude, effective, unstoppable. Models included a nine-barrelled zombie disruptor.
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"I'm only accepting that machine the pentagon rejected - PAM FutureMaps - to state the obvious, they don't need any 'prediction market'. US govcorp can murder anyone they want at any time. - Rat" "...the US Government had been planning a website that would enable people to place bets on the likelihood of terrorist events. - R.Sukumaran. 2004" "A sufficiently large market predicting an individual's death is also, necessarily, an assassination market - N.Szabo. 2015" > http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3072985/ PAM Futures > https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2003/07/save-the-pentagon-futures-market.html > http://www.policyanalysismarket.org/ Assassination is not new. Kings Princes and Governments are the biggest assassins in all of history literally through to present day, and have and will surely always be first to procure, order, patent, and deploy assassination technologies... be it weapons and intel, to compensation expenses bounties rewards gold brides and positions of power paid, to Letters Marque and Reprisal, from Permits to Pirate and Plunder, to paying coders to develop RFP bid submission sites for Blackwater contractors, and markets for same, if Govt's can figure out a winning angle over each other, they will do it. Behold thus!, it was not any cypherpunks who first invented and used assassination... though some do claim to have figured out a way to end Govt's use, and or monopoly use, of it. Govt's also like to scream "copycat killer", people online are debating for years will Govt's tech lead in such matters be copied by free markets as defense and or peaceful influence? Here are two recent stone cold assassinations done by Govt's, surely bound to spark many future killings in the endless stream of thousands years and thousands killings undertaken between Govt's, often at expense of civilian lifes and resulting into the millions via wars thus sparked... Israel Informs US It Killed Iranian IRGC Colonel, Officials Infuriated Over Media Leak https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-leak-fingering-israel-in-iranian-colonels-death-could-harm-trust-official-warns/ https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/iranian-officer-killed-in-tehran-was-involved-in-plot-to-kill-israeli-diplomat-u-s-general-people-familiar-with-matter-say-11653536259 https://news.yahoo.com/irans-revolutionary-guard-says-determination-080533627.html Israeli defense and intelligence officials have owned up to the brazen assassination of a senior Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) officer, which took place in Tehran on Sunday. A pair of unidentified gunmen drove up to IRGC Col. Hassan Sayyad Khodaei as he sat in his car outside his home. The Quds Force colonel was shot five times, and his death was quickly blamed on Israeli intelligence given prior similar killings. The NY Times days later reported that "The Israelis told the Americans the killing was meant as a warning to Iran to halt the operations of a covert group within the Quds Force known as Unit 840, according to the intelligence official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss classified information." Banner of the slain IRGC colonel in Tehran after his killing, via AP. It described, "Unit 840 is tasked with abductions and assassinations of foreigners around the world, including Israeli civilians and officials, according to Israeli government, military and intelligence officials." Col. Khadaei was reportedly the deputy head of the covert unit. The Israelis didn't comment for the story, however the Times stressed "But according to an intelligence official briefed on the communications, Israel has informed American officials that it was behind the killing." The Israeli government is now said to be infuriated by the leak and are calling for an internal US intelligence investigation. Knesset member Ram Ben Barak, who heads the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, said "It mainly harms trust." "We have very many close relationships and a lot of cooperation between us, which all depend on trust, and when it is violated in some way then it damages future cooperation," he said in an Israeli radio interview Thursday. "I hope the Americans investigate the leak and figure out where it came from and why it occurred." There's currently speculation that the assassination was intended to highlight Iranian covert efforts to kill Israeli officials and civilians, something which Tehran has rejected. The timing, some pundits have said, was meant to further disrupt the stalled nuclear talks between Tehran and world powers in Vienna. A separate follow-up Thursday report in The Wall Street Journal suggests the slain Quds Force colonel was part of Iranian efforts to take out an Israeli diplomat, however this cannot be confirmed. Iranian IRGC colonel assassinated in downtown Tehranhttps://t.co/X0HAADGqut — The Cradle (@TheCradleMedia) May 22, 2022 "An Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps officer shot and killed outside his Tehran home led the group’s efforts
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On various dates, jim bell wrote: > Yes, Sukumaran's essay is by far the most competent > treatment of my Assassination Politics idea and essay. > All in all, the public's handling of my AP essay has been > atrociously incompetent. For people who claim they love > freedom and hate tyranny, I've described the solution. > People have had 26 years to disprove or just cast doubt > on AP, and nobody has accomplished that. > AP will work, when tried. >> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/mar/3/lindsey-graham-calls-vladimir-putins-assassination/ > I'm glad, almost exactly 27 years after the Part 1 of my Assassination > Politics essay publication > https://cryptome.org/ap.htm > that people are > finally awakening to the extreme advantages of killing a few hundred to a > few thousand politicians around the world, rather than millions of ordinary > people in a nuclear war. I hope this realization is not too late, for the > latter group. Given recent global rumblings of nuclear use, new wars killing millions and more of innocent civilians, calls for assassination of "war criminal" leaders of various countries, inherent brutal authoritarian force of legacy GovPol models, etc, many areas might have some relevance... Perhaps Jim and others should begin making appearances on podcasts, having conversations on Youtube, Odysee, and other video channels. 27 years later, the internet now does support realtime video medium, and it has become a widespread de-facto way for millions of people to discuss and share topics. Jim and others could explain their systems, answer those who have questions, cover how General Prediction Markets could be used in peaceful voluntary societies to do things such as building roads, space travel, medicine, defence, crowdfunding, and many other things in freedom preserving non authoritarian and efficient ways. Jim and the other early debaters advocates and detractors won't be around forever, and AP and Prediction Markets in general certainly will end up being debated, and perhaps even implemented, by others in the future. Thus it might seem important for the world to have their current thoughts on such things, even if only noted as history for the future's reference, by way of making and joining podcasts today. To the extent Jim and the others are up for it, people could begin by listing and suggesting potential podcasts to join, and or by making mutual introductions and inviting them to do podcast conversations. If cypherpunks claim that their Prediction Markets and other ideas could solve some of the world's hard problems, perhaps they should start actually getting out in the larger real and podcast world and talking about them so that more people can see, study, debate, improve, etc. Because as it is now, half the world has still never heard of cypherpunk's cryptocurrency, and roughly 0% have ever heard of Prediction Markets or Libertarian or anything else. But 100% are now hearing many global politicians threatening total destruction of the world as we know it. The only way to acheive a more free and peaceful world is for cypherpunks and others to get out there and discuss it.
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Lately the world and the internet has been asking... When will Putin die? And more generally... when will invaders, authoritarians, tyrants, despots, rulers [and bodies of rulers] ruling, their murderers and thievers, their [en]forcers of their will against free-living non-forcing peoples, their system built upon the immoral evil wrong of original force initiated against peaceful others, etc... die? Are there any predictions? Any novel peaceful mechanisms waiting yet untried? Any answers to the world's askings?
Top down assassination politics
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-21/is-there-ever-a-legal-or-political-case-to-kill-tyrants/100921132 In contrast by 1881, the International Anarchist Congress of London gave the tactic its approval. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_of_the_deed#:~:text=Propaganda%20of%20the%20deed%20(or,as%20a%20catalyst%20for%20revolution.
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> http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3072985/ PAM Futures https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2003/07/save-the-pentagon-futures-market.html http://www.policyanalysismarket.org/ Hey, Wait A Minute Damn the Slam PAM Plan! Canceling the Pentagon’s futures market is cowardly and dumb. By James Surowiecki July 30, 2003 6:39 PM If you go to the Policy Analysis Market, or PAM, Web site, you’ll find nothing but a blank page. You don’t even get one of those “This page cannot be found” screens. Thanks to the publicity firestorm started by Sens. Byron Dorgan and Ron Wyden on Monday, the Defense Department’s plan to run an experimental futures market to forecast conditions in the Middle East is dead. And we’re all worse off as a result. That may be hard to believe, given the unanimity with which PAM has been denounced. In that Monday press conference, Wyden and Dorgan called the plan “harebrained,” “offensive,” and “useless.” The press generally followed their lead, acting astonished that anyone could ever have imagined that such a ridiculous scheme would work. But for all the grandstanding and moral posturing, the most important question has been absent from the discussion: Would the market have worked? In other words, would it have improved American intelligence capabilities and enhanced national security? All the evidence suggests that it would have. As Daniel Gross and Brendan Koerner mentioned in their Slate pieces yesterday, similar markets have proven surprisingly good at predicting the outcome of presidential elections, box-office results, and even the fall of Saddam Hussein. We now have more than a decade of empirical results to back up the idea that “decision markets” can work, in addition to the reams of data on the efficacy of traditional futures markets, such as those for corn or interest rates. (There’s evidence, for instance, that orange-juice futures do a better job of predicting the weather in Florida than traditional weather forecasts do.) Even when traders are not necessarily experts, their collective judgment is often remarkably accurate because markets are efficient at uncovering and aggregating diverse pieces of information. And it doesn’t seem to matter much what markets are being used to predict. Whether the outcome depends on irrational actors (box-office results), animal behavior (horse races), a blend of irrational and rational motives (elections), or a seemingly random interaction between weather and soil (orange-juice crops), market predictions often outperform those of even the best-informed expert. Given that, it’s reasonable to think a prediction market might add something to our understanding of the future of the Middle East. PAM might also have been effective because traders in a market have no incentive other than making the right prediction—that is, there are no bureaucratic or political factors influencing their decisions—so they eliminate many of the hurdles that limit the flow of information within organizations. That’s especially important in the case of the intelligence community because we know that, for example, in the case of 9/11 there was lots of valuable and relevant information available before the attack took place. What was missing was a mechanism for aggregating that information in a single place. A well-designed market might have served as that mechanism. Sen. Wyden dismissed PAM as a “fairy tale” and suggested that DARPA would be better off putting its money into “real world” intelligence. But the dichotomy here is a false one. No one has suggested replacing traditional intelligence-gathering with a market. PAM was intended to be simply another way of collecting information. And in any case, all the information that traders would be trading on would presumably be from the “real world.” Otherwise it’d be hard to see how they could make accurate bets. Of course, the real attack on PAM had nothing to do with how effective it would or would not be. The real problem with it, Wyden and Dorgan made clear, was that it was “offensive” and “morally wrong” to wager on potential catastrophes. Let’s admit there’s something ghoulish about betting on an assassination attempt. But let’s also admit that U.S. government analysts ask themselves every day the exact same questions that PAM traders would have been asking: How stable is the government of Jordan? How likely is it the House of Saud will fall? Will Mahmoud Abbas still be head of the P.A. in 2004? How many more casualties will the United States take in Iraq? If it isn’t immoral for the U.S. government to be asking these questions, it’s hard to see how it’s immoral for people outside the U.S. government to ask them. Especially since the point of having traders ask the questions was to gather information to prevent catastrophes from happening. Perhaps what’s immoral, though, is that PAM would allow people to make money from predicting catastrophe. But CIA analysts don’t volunteer their services. We pay them to predict
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Maybe I should take back part of what I said. Both Congressional Democrats and Republicans may understand the implications of applying AP: sure, it will kill Putin, they realize, but it will also end up killing dozens of them, but also hundreds or 1000's of other American politicians. THAT is the real reason AP hasn't yet been implemented. Jim Bell On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:22 PM, jim bell wrote: On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 8:41 PM, grarpamp wrote:US Sen Graham calls for Putin Assassination... https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/mar/3/lindsey-graham-calls-vladimir-putins-assassination/ I'm glad, almost exactly 27 years after the Part 1 of my Assassination Politics essay publicationhttps://cryptome.org/ap.htm on the Cypherpunks email list (Feb 14, 1995, but the archive for 1995 has since been forged to conceal nearly all reference to it) that people are finally awakening to the extreme advantages of killing a few hundred to a few thousand politicians around the world, rather than millions of ordinary people in a nuclear war. I hope this realization is not too late, for the latter group. What Senator Graham, and perhaps all other politicians, do not realize is that my AP solution, however effective it was going to be, was never going to be pain-free: It will get rid of all politicians, either by forced resignation or far worse. Jim Bell
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On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 8:41 PM, grarpamp wrote:US Sen Graham calls for Putin Assassination... https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/mar/3/lindsey-graham-calls-vladimir-putins-assassination/ I'm glad, almost exactly 27 years after the Part 1 of my Assassination Politics essay publicationhttps://cryptome.org/ap.htm on the Cypherpunks email list (Feb 14, 1995, but the archive for 1995 has since been forged to conceal nearly all reference to it) that people are finally awakening to the extreme advantages of killing a few hundred to a few thousand politicians around the world, rather than millions of ordinary people in a nuclear war. I hope this realization is not too late, for the latter group. What Senator Graham, and perhaps all other politicians, do not realize is that my AP solution, however effective it was going to be, was never going to be pain-free: It will get rid of all politicians, either by forced resignation or far worse. Jim Bell
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US Sen Graham calls for Putin Assassination... https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/mar/3/lindsey-graham-calls-vladimir-putins-assassination/
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/konanykhin “ I promise to pay $1,000,000 to the officer(s) who, complying with their constitutional duty, arrest(s) Putin as a war criminal under Russian and international laws. Putin is not the Russian president as he came to power as the result of a special operation of blowing up apartment buildings in Russia, then violated the Constitution by eliminating free elections and murdering his opponents. As an ethnic Russian and a Russia citizen, I see it as my moral duty to facilitate the denazification of Russia. I will continue my assistance to Ukraine in its heroic efforts to withstand the onslaught of Putin's Orda. ”
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrannicide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn15H__1FOk Death Row Democracy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gggSgPUYGtc PolyMarket https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_T1i6nt2Nc Govts: The Inventors and early Adopters https://www.digitaltrends.com/web/bitcoin-funded-assassination-market-website/ https://www.c-span.org/video/?326485-1/jamie-bartlett-the-dark-net https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfioIm2CFzo Carl Miller on Power https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uBDee2tKAY Bitcoin Dangerous https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2018/07/25/the-first-augur-assassination-markets-have-arrived/ https://cryptocoin.news/news/blockchain-news/betting-on-death-augur-assassination-markets-open-for-business-18247/ https://www.leadingtrader.com/11/killing-kennedy-how-the-market-reacted-to-john-f-kennedys-assassination/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sinsp0uLsS8 Vice: How to hire a hitman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbGypiDik2E Sanjuro's Assassination Market https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I__B53SXt8c Body Count - Murder 4 Hire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhJRbLAuoyk How to hire a hitman, for real :)
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> Markets Without Limits: Moral Virtues Does the Church Condone Tyrannicide? https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catholic-contributions/does-the-church-condone-tyrannicide.html FR. WILLIAM SAUNDERS With the recent terrorist attacks, some have suggested that the leaders of these terrorist organizations be assassinated for the good of all people. What would be the Churchs teaching on this? Hitler%20headquarters.gif The moral issue here is that of tyrannicide the killing of a tyrant, and specifically, the killing of a tyrant by a private person for the common good. Technically, there are two classes of tyrants: a tyrant by usurpation (tyrannus in titulo), a ruler who has illegitimately seized power; and a tyrant by oppression (tyrannus in regimine), a ruler who wields power unjustly, oppressively, and arbitrarily. Tyrannicide has had support from various philosophers and theologians through the centuries, including the ancient Greeks and Romans, most notably Cicero; Catholics, most notably John of Salisbury (d. 1180) Jean Petit (d. 1411), and Suarez (d. 1617); and Protestants, most notably, Luther, Melanchthon, Zwingli, and Calvin. St. Thomas Aquinas gave the most substantial argument for tyrannicide. He based his position on his arguments for just war and capital punishment. St. Thomas concluded, "He who kills a tyrant (i.e. an usurper) to free his country is praised and rewarded" (In 2 Sentences, 44.2.2). A tyrant by usurpation has illegitimately seized power and, therefore, is a criminal. When there are no other means available of ridding the community of the tyrant, the community may kill him. According to St. Thomas, the legitimate authority may condemn him to death using the normal course of law. However, if the normal course of law is not available (due to the actions of the tyrant), then the legitimate authority can proceed "informally" to condemn the tyrant and even grant individuals a mandate to execute the tyrant. A private citizen who takes the life of a tyrant acts with public authority in the same way that a soldier does in war. The key conditions for a justifiable act of tyrannicide in this case include that the killing be necessary to end the usurpation and restore legitimate authority; that there is no higher authority available that is able and willing to depose the usurper; and that there is no probability that the tyrannicide will result in even greater evil than allowing the usurper to remain in power. A tyrant by oppression is one who has come to power legitimately, but rules unjustly, oppressively, and arbitrarily. Here the community must confront the tyrant, and if necessary, depose him, formally or informally, according to the course of law available. In most circumstances, a private citizen morally cannot kill a tyrant by oppression, because the tyrant came to power through a legitimate means and thereby the community must depose him. If the community does depose the tyrant, according to St. Thomas, he becomes now a tyrant by usurpation and thereby may be eliminated by an act of justifiable tyrannicide in accord with the above norms. However, if the tyrant by oppression attacks the citizen, jeopardizes the welfare of the community with the intent leading it to destruction or killing the citizens, or commits other evils, then a private citizen can morally commit an act of justifiable tyrannicide. Moreover, if because of the tyrant's rule, a nation cannot defend itself, is on the course of destruction, and has no lawful means to depose or to condemn the tyrant, then a citizen may commit an act of justifiable tyrannicide. Interestingly, many modern political philosophers would posit that a leader who abuses power and has become tyrannical ipso facto loses legitimacy and becomes an usurper. Please note that the Church has not definitively taught on this subject. The Church not only recognizes the authority of legitimate rulers and their duty to uphold the common good of the community, but also the duty of citizens to support a legitimate government. However, the Church also has set standards of just war and even capital punishment which would be applied to a conflict between a community against an unjust tyrannical leader. Keep in mind that an act of justifiable tyrannicide would have to be an act of last resort, when no other reasonable course of action is available to protect the community. Perhaps a particular example would help. In the Summer of 1944, many officers in the German military realized that their country would soon lose the war. The Allies had successfully landed in France with the D-Day Invasion and were pushing toward Germany; the Soviets were advancing from the East; the major cities of Germany were bombed heavily and frequently. To save Germany from devastating defeat and form a new government, Lieutenant Colonel Klaus von Stauffenberg, described as "a serious Catholic," formed a plot to assassinate Hitler on July 20. He and other members,
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In The Age Of COVID, We're Reminded An Unjust Law Is No Law At All https://mises.org/wire/age-covid-were-reminded-unjust-law-no-law-all https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/2334395618953078543/3663571728294186390 https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20220211-canada-s-ontario-declares-state-of-emergency-over-illegal-trucker-protest https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catholic-contributions/does-the-church-condone-tyrannicide.html https://mises.org/wire/american-revolution-was-culture-war It has become something of a habit in both the American and Canadian media to insist that the Canadian trucker protest against vaccine mandates is an "illegal protest." They are "illegal border protests," one American news affiliate proclaims. Canada's National Post dutifully refers to the protests in its headlines as illegal acts. The term "illegal" has been used a multitude of times by Liberal Party politicians in the House of Commons. The premier of Ontario—one of Canada's most hysterical politicians—not only paints the protests as illegal but as a "siege." Other opponents of the protests refer to them as an "occupation" and as an "insurrection." "Lawbreaker" as a Political Slur So why the obsession with labeling the protests illegal? The idea, of course, is to cast suspicion on them and portray them as harmful and morally illegitimate. We could contrast the rhetoric surrounding the trucker protest with that of the Black Lives Matter protests. In the case of the BLM protests, illegal acts were downplayed and ignored, with one obvious riot labeled a "mostly peaceful" protest. when it comes to protests and other acts of which the regime approves, legality is never an issue. The regimes of the world, of course, like to use legality as a standard for judging human behavior because the regimes make the laws. Whether or not the laws actually have anything to do with human rights, private property, or just basic common sense is another matter entirely. Thus history is replete with pointless, immoral, and destructive laws. Slavery has been lawful throughout much of human history. Temporary slavery—known as military conscription—is still employed by many regimes. In the US, the imprisonment of peaceful American citizens of Japanese descent was perfectly lawful under the US regime during World War II. Today, employers can face ruinous sanctions for hiring a worker who lacks the proper immigration paperwork. Worldwide, people can be jailed in many jurisdictions for years for the "crime" of possessing an illegal plant. During covid, the reality of arbitrary law came very much to the fore when unelected health bureaucrats and lone elected executives began ruling by decree. They closed businesses, shut people up in their homes, and imposed vaccine and mask mandates. Those who refuse to comply—and businesses who refuse to enforce these edicts—are condemned as lawbreakers and subject to punishment. The Moral Limits of "Law and Order" All of these legal provisions, acts, and sanctions represent mockeries of basic natural rights rather than protections of them. The notion that laws can be perversions of true justice has long been obvious to many. In fact, the disconnect between morality and legality is a fundamental aspect of Western civilization. The basic notion is very old, but the idea's endurance in the West was reinforced by the fact that Christianity began as an illegal religion and early Christians were often considered to be criminals deserving of the death penalty. It should be no surprise, then, that Saint Augustine declared an unjust law to be no law at all and compared kings to pirates: the decrees of pirates, of course, are not worthy of obedience or reverence. And if kings are like pirates, kingly decrees are of equal respectability. This same tradition fueled Saint Thomas Aquinas's support for regicide (in certain cases). Needless to say, regicide has been always and everywhere declared illegal by the would-be targets. Yet, unfortunately, declaring something to be "illegal" remains an effective slur. There is no shortage of people who proudly consider themselves to be blind supporters of "law and order" and who insist "lawbreakers" are axiomatically in the wrong. Their simple-minded refrain is "if you don't like the law, change it" and many of these people naïvely believe that acts of legislators and regulators somehow reflect "the will of the people" or some sort of moral law. The opposite is often the reality. Thankfully, in the United States, the value of lawbreaking is so "baked in" to the historical narrative that it's difficult to ignore, even today. The American Revolution was fundamentally a series of illegal acts. The Declaration of Independence was little more than a declaration of a thoroughly illegal rebellion. In response, the king sent men to the colonies to enforce law and order. The American response to this attempt to enforce the law was to kill the government's enforcers. Less
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https://reason.com/volokh/2015/11/13/brennan-and-jaworskis-markets/ "Markets Without Limits: Moral Virtues and Commercial Interests" Georgetown political theorists Jason Brennan and Peter Jaworski recently published an excellent new book, Markets Without Limits: Moral Virtues and Commercial Interests. ... https://www.amazon.com/Markets-without-Limits-Commercial-Interests/dp/0415737354 https://www.libertarianism.org/videos/introduction-political-philosophy-jason-brennan-libertarianismorg-guide https://cei.org/opeds_articles/review-of-markets-without-limits/ https://marketswithoutlimits.com/
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Will Prediction Markets be the answer to "But Who Will Build The Roads?", and other Questions of "Shared / Public" resources? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prediction_market https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_crowd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good_Judgment_Project https://daily.jstor.org/how-accurate-are-prediction-markets/ https://europepmc.org/article/PMC/PMC8605461 https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-Marketcast-Method-for-Aggregating-Prediction-Atanasov-Rescober/1730b3267d6de741ed3e3be1396f254fc136a53d https://universaldebatingproject.blogspot.com/2017/09/the-good-judgement-project.html https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378426620302442 https://dl.acm.org/doi/10./3398761.3399010 https://ideas.repec.org/p/arx/papers/2108.11631.html unihedge https://dimacs.rutgers.edu/news_archive/wsforecasting https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Information+Precision+in+Online+Communities%3A+Player+Valuations+on...-a0581866399 https://www.jasss.org/21/1/7.html https://ci.acm.org/2019/assets/proceedings/CI_2019_paper_34.pdf https://3lib.net/book/11187069/1b5fa9
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Govts are the sole proposal writer, contract awarder, and money thief for roads, all enforced by deadly force, an untenable situation by any measure. Now while the headline title action of AP may for various reasons never come to pass, the more general form from which it derives, that being Prediction Markets (PM's), will definitely reach adoption for lots of uses. In fact, PM's are ideal for answering the remaining age old question of "But who will build the roads?" in a voluntary NAP preserving libertarian society. Therein, everyone who wishes is free to propose whatever potential road contracts they wish in the form of prediction questions. Everyone is free to see all contracts, to place and fund wagers raising the stakes of the questions they prefer to have answered by takers. Contracts could specify road quality, which sections or sets of roads, etc, anything from repairing a single pothole, to entire new builds. Anyone can now enter the market and be a taker, can see all questions and funds in the market, and are all free to grab any contract and begin work as soon as any contract reaches a price level that earns an acceptable profit. Public proof of funds will give takers the confidence of payment they need to initiate work. The PM's, through oracles, etc will not award payment until work is completed to specification. Unlike government's crony favoritsm awards, sole sourcing, subsidies etc, the openness of a PM naturally drives down prices and raises contract conformance and quality. And wasteful roads and bridges to nowhere will not be built. Ownership of roads by the State, or by any other entity, is no longer needed. No GPS trackers, vehicle registrations, odometer tracking, no bills or collectors sent to privacy invading easily abused databases of residents, no license plate scanners, RF tags, toll booths, etc... all of those legacy models will disappear. Roads become truly ownerless. This does not preclude private roads, yet clearly this may make the private model annoying and inefficient by comparison. Since people do not wish to have their vehicles damaged and bumpy rides by bad roads, they will be naturally incentivized to use the free market to fund the predictions covering the roads they use or wish to use, this includes roads to far off vacation destinations, used trucking companies, etc. In fact, by eliminating government and its waste tax and regulation, users will have more funds available to them to support higher quality roads. In decentralization, crypto, education, personal responsibility and charity, we trust. https://reaction.la/anarchy/roads.htm Anarchocapitalist roads, drains, and real monopolies. Ordinary law and order in anarcho capitalism is unlikely to be a big problem, one that ordinary people think about much or notice much, except in the sense of large gangs or external governments attempting to become governments. All too often however, we will find someone saying “if only there was someone who had enough authority to make this road straight, wider, and free of charge” If we look at the rise of kings, in the early stages of their rise one of the chief advantages of dangerously great and highly centralized authority was that the king would keep “the king’s road” open, enabling money and people to get where they wanted to go, by killing those who would set up barricades and shake down travellers. Unless people in an anarcho capitalist society are prepared to keep their own damn roads open, it is not going to work. Lots of roads are privately owned today. The roads in a housing development are often owned by housing association, sometimes voluntary, sometimes compulsory. In some rather small developments, the road is owned by the guy on the top of the hill, who passes around the hat as necessary, but everyone has the right to use the road to access the other properties. In my case, I own one side of such a road, and the owner of another property owns the other side, but everyone has the right to use the road to access any one of five properties. All five properties own an easement on both sides of the road. In an anarcho capitalist society, the small roads would all work like this, and the big roads would all be toll roads. There is a problem with toll roads, and with any long linear property. In principle, the owner could make a profit by providing an obstacle rather than access, by charging people to cross his property. This is obviously illegitimate. He can reasonably charge for providing access, for allowing people to drive along his property, but not for allowing people to cross it, charge for providing access to other places, not for blocking access to other places. For an anarcho capitalist society to work, people would need to demand a right of access, should be willing to pay for roads, but not pay for road blocks. If people succeed in charging for blocking, rather than providing, access, then trade and commerce would be severely
Assassination Politics - or APster, for short
The original killer-app and still the best, APster has long been a staple of this list. Even before the mighty CJ and his DEAD-LUCKY assault on the high-and-mighty. Even back when most c-punks paid lip-service to Mongo's 'abhorrent-markets ' line. So here is my prescription for those who can't bear to have their victimhood trifled with. I forbid you to ever again read about murder bounties here. I also recommend you take a goodly dose of Prozac and return to your sedentary somnambulation in front of the Boob Tube. And remember to keep your mouth shut and your head bowed when the truck pulls up out front to carry your sorry carcass off to the government glue factory
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GeoPol-AP Asks: "Who wins...?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Oab6nvJuE Norway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TXLBDfyteY Guyana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B_TlHJq1-4 Norway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Oab6nvJuE Sweden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D7URaVZwlQ Canada https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVPx4xnLXbk Norway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFDbbfJwaKQ India https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOGwZ6oRwmA Indonesia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXJcW_FYAlw Iran https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bChiE1Qzms Iran https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moRl03Cp1E8 Britain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4WEGUuq_ck Japan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF698UqmU-c USA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3FbHRUDoOo Indonesia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c93WUg3sDFk Isis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eUONuPfF3k USA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzJAs9TIGgM Pakistan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOhvjBwuix4 Britain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ubtdyOY7Yc Australia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1vCe3BAnws Britain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFqtisxNaZY Taiwan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSd5aH2OZvM China https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvu_M53bjAI Taiwan https://vimeo.com/20167920 Singapore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCOPgiIbbbM Bangladesh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8NhabFRXZQ France https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqek78JXckw Russia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOWRembdPS8 China https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIYGFSONKbk USA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_market Cpunks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqdJHDGSfhI WP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FliKUVugHno WTHWFF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSC2_1FPXPE WNMT
Character Assassination politics continues to do well, year after year
Despite no one I know following on from CJ and my efforts to get APster up and running there is still hope it could go viral. Especially now Bill Gates has been divorced. I say this based on evidence that "Character Assassination" Politics remains extremely popular - or at least simply tolerated - as for example - on this list, where a " Govt Agent Truther " operates without serious challenge to supply the slightest evidence to back up his ( Batshit Crazies ) COINTELPRO-style bullshit. So lets not lose our nerve now - one more effort if youse wanna be free! https://stiffs.com/celebrity/billgates And once he's dead we can get rid of that coprophagic robocop called Batshit Crazy!
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Elites, Politicians, Mafioso... waxing each other as usual... See also... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jovenel_Moise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_syndrome Top Adviser To Ukrainian President Targeted In "Assassination Attempt" Gunmen opened fire on a vehicle occupied by the top adviser to President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine on Wednesday in what authorities deemed an "assassination attempt," according to AFP. Sergiy Shefir, 57, the first assistant advisor to Zelensky, was unscathed this morning after a hail of 7.62 caliber rounds fired from automatic weapons penetrated his unarmoured Audi A8L. However, his driver was seriously injured. Speaking with journalists after the incident, Shefir said the attack was intended to spook senior policymakers. "All I can say is that the assassination attempt was carried out to intimidate the highest echelon of power," he said. He explained more details about what happened: "We were driving when, suddenly, shots rang out. They wounded the driver, who was amazing and carried on driving. We sped up a bit. It was a scary moment. I immediately called the police and the interior minister." Shefir went on to say the incident will not intimidate the president, calling him a "very strong-willed and decisive person." Zelensky was in New York City at the time of the incident holding meetings at the United Nations. Shortly after he was briefed on the shooting, he issued a statement condemning the attack and said he would fly back to Kiev this evening. One of Zelensky's aides said the attack was an attempt to "demonstrably kill a key member of the team." Another presidential advisor, Mykhailo Podolyak, said the attack was in response to "politics directed at limiting the traditional influence of shadowy oligarchs." So far, the assailants' identity is unknown, and there's a lot of finger-pointing within Zelensky's party. Some have blamed Moscow, smugglers, and crime bosses, while others have said it's too early to blame who is responsible. However, there's agreement within the party that the attack was meant to destabilize the country's political situation.
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> the promise of smart contracts for beneficial goals. An Introduction to Futarchy Vitalik Buterin Research & Development https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/08/21/introduction-futarchy/ One of the more interesting long-term practical benefits of the technology and concept behind decentralized autonomous organizations is that DAOs allow us to very quickly prototype and experiment with an aspect of our social interactions that is so far arguably falling behind our rapid advancements in information and social technology elsewhere: organizational governance. Although our modern communications technology is drastically augmenting individuals’ naturally limited ability to both interact and gather and process information, the governance processes we have today are still dependent on what may now be seen as centralized crutches and arbitrary distinctions such as “member”, “employee”, “customer” and “investor” - features that were arguably originally necessary because of the inherent difficulties of managing large numbers of people up to this point, but perhaps no longer. Now, it may be possible to create systems that are more fluid and generalized that take advantage of the full power law curve of people’s ability and desire to contribute. There are a number of new governance models that try to take advantage of our new tools to improve transparency and efficiency, including liquid democracy and holacracy; the one that I will discuss and dissect today is futarchy. The idea behind futarchy was originally proposed by economist Robin Hanson as a futuristic form of government, following the slogan: vote values, but bet beliefs. Under this system, individuals would vote not on whether or not to implement particular policies, but rather on a metric to determine how well their country (or charity or company) is doing, and then prediction markets would be used to pick the policies that best optimize the metric. Given a proposal to approve or reject, two prediction markets would be created each containing one asset, one market corresponding to acceptance of the measure and one to rejection. If the proposal is accepted, then all trades on the rejection market would be reverted, but on the acceptance market after some time everyone would be paid some amount per token based on the futarchy’s chosen success metric, and vice versa if the proposal is rejected. The market is allowed to run for some time, and then at the end the policy with the higher average token price is chosen. Our interest in futarchy, as explained above, is in a slightly different form and use case of futarchy, governing decentralized autonomous organizations and cryptographic protocols; however, I am presenting the use of futarchy in a national government first because it is a more familiar context. So to see how futarchy works, let’s go through an example. Suppose that the success metric chosen is GDP in trillions of dollars, with a time delay of ten years, and there exists a proposed policy: “bail out the banks”. Two assets are released, each of which promises to pay $1 per token per trillion dollars of GDP after ten years. The markets might be allowed to run for two weeks, during which the “yes” token fetches an average price of $24.94 (meaning that the market thinks that the GDP after ten years will be $24.94 trillion) and the “no” token fetches an average price of $26.20. The banks are not bailed out. All trades on the “yes” market are reverted, and after ten years everyone holding the asset on the “no” market gets $26.20 apiece. Typically, the assets in a futarchy are zero-supply assets, similar to Ripple IOUs or BitAssets. This means that the only way the tokens can be created is through a derivatives market; individuals can place orders to buy or sell tokens, and if two orders match the tokens are transferred from the buyer to the seller in exchange for USD. It’s possible to sell tokens even if you do not have them; the only requirement in that case is that the seller must put down some amount of collateral to cover the eventual negative reward. An important consequence of the zero-supply property is that because the positive and negative quantities, and therefore rewards cancel each other out, barring communication and consensus costs the market is actually free to operate. The Argument For Futarchy has become a controversial subject since the idea was originally proposed. The theoretical benefits are numerous. First of all, futarchy fixes the “voter apathy” and “rational irrationality” problem in democracy, where individuals do not have enough incentive to even learn about potentially harmful policies because the probability that their vote will have an effect is insignificant (estimated at 1 in 10 million for a US government national election); in futarchy, if you have or obtain information that others do not have, you can personally substantially profit from it, and if you are wrong you lose money. Essentially, you are literally putting
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> the promise of smart contracts for beneficial goals. Futarchy: Robin Hanson on How Prediction Markets Can Take over the World Transcript of interview Richard Hanania https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/futarchy-robin-hanson-on-how-prediction https://podtail.com/podcast/cspi-podcast/18-how-to-get-better-elites/ https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1438142657356656640 https://twitter.com/RobinHanson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WLg-y_gT0w CSPI #18: Robin Hanson w Richard Hanania I recently had Robin Hanson on the CSPI podcast to talk about futarchy. It’s one thing to spread knowledge on a particular issue, it’s another to invent a new technology to create more knowledge in the world, and help apply it where needed. That’s what I see Robin doing. He convinced me that although it may take a very long time, one day humanity will give less of a role to systems like peer review and unaccountable bureaucracy in determining how we understand the world, and more of a role to prediction markets. The logic is just too compelling. But sooner is better than later, and if you want to be involved, please reach out. How it would work. Source. The first step towards this glorious future is convincing people that a world where more decisions are made based on prediction markets is desirable and achievable. In that spirit, below is a transcript of our conversation, lightly edited for clarity. To read more about futarchy, see here. (beginning of transcript) Richard: Hi, everyone. Welcome to the CSPI Podcast. I’m here today with Robin Hanson. Robin, How are you? Robin: Happy to be here and ready to talk about a big topic. Richard: We’re glad to have you. Before we get started, while a lot of our audience is going to know who you are can you just give a brief description of your background? What do you do? What are your research interests? Robin: I'm an associate professor of economics at George Mason University. I do an excessively diverse range of things. I just had a paper accepted in a astrophysics journal on the Grabby Aliens. I've done information aggregation. I have two books, one called The Age of Em: Work, Love, and Life When Robots Rule the Earth, and the other The Elephant in the Brain: Hidden Motives in Everyday Life. I guess we'll just find out more about my prediction market work in this talk. Richard: Do you have a degree in economics? Robin: No. I have a PhD in social science from Caltech. Caltech has a pretty small social science department with say 20 faculty covering all of social sciences. My degree was in social science. The first time I went on the job market I actually did better in political science, but second time I got this job offer in economics. Richard: Okay. What are your interests? One of the things I think we're going to spend the bulk of the time talking today is the idea of a futarchy. Is that how you pronounce it? Robin: Futarchy would be a fancy name for decision markets applied to government. The larger topic would be what institutions can we all share to argue and aggregate information so that we can form collective beliefs that we can act on together? That’s a question in academia. Robin: It's a question in government. It's a question in business. It’s a very fundamental, difficult problem. I think there's potential for doing a lot better than we've done. Richard: Yeah. What’s the problem? What do you see as the main issue that this is trying to solve? Robin: Well, you know most of you have been in conversations all your life. You know that in conversations it’s very complicated. People have all sorts of agendas. They aren't entirely honest all the time and they aren't focused on particular tasks. It's not clear you know that you can believe what they say. A reporter calls up various expert people with credentials or whatever and gets quotes for them, but they don't have a good incentive to tell their best estimate of the truth in those interviews. They're often incentivized to sound provocative, to ally with whatever political tribe they're with, et cetera. We have these problems all over in all the rest of the conversations we have in business, and government, and academia et cetera. The question is could we give people more direct, better incentives to actually tell the truth and figure out the truth so that when we had a meeting and people raised hands, and we made a decision what to do we would be doing it on the best knowledge we could have? Richard: Yeah. The way you answered that question, that made me think of something. Do you see this as a matter of incentives in the sense that whoever the experts are they just have to have better incentives, or do you also see it as sort of a selection process in that there is some trait, or collection of traits that humans vary on, and some people are just better at getting at truth than others? Do you take the first position? Robin: Both of those factors are important, and so you want an institution that
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> the promise of smart contracts for beneficial goals. The future may soon be one of freedom, one without today's legacy archy. And Prediction Markets may answer one of the most persistant questions held back by people [1] as only being possible under the domain of the State... Q: But but but... who will build and maintain the Roads? A: Whoever answers the questions that are posed to the market for funding. System freely determining the validity of questions, level of funds accumulating, eventually motivating the takers to make predictions... fully distributed, no prime government contractors, no ownership or authority in existing roads, open specification, for all. (PM's often better than DAO's at least in the case of public roads, since DAO's typically imply and assert themselves as owners, leading to problems of anti-privacy/freedom/free-use of tracking/tolls, enforcement, access control, fraud, theft, corruption, eventual shift from "private in the public interest" to public nuisance, etc. DAO's often better in private contexts such as business, or voluntarily subscribed insurance choices, etc.) Those wanting freedom-of-travel roads will see to it that those general and particular questions will be posed and funded and thus answered by predictors when valid... no vehicle gps trackers or registration or taxes or tollbooths or anything else needed but free markets. Whether each single pothole, or all the roads of a region, Prediction Markets have been noted as capable of motivating maintainers to show up. Now go propose, fund, and predict the fixing of that annoying pothole! Peace, Love, Anarchy. [1] Who are brainwashed in government indoctrination camps (aka: public schools) to ignore that lots of roads were and are done on volunteer/donor, communal shared, or private interest basis.
