[talking to automated dialogue when confused and upset] was Re: Leaks: WhistleBlowerAid.org - Safe Whistleblowing Workshop Livestream

[Karl Semich]

>
> If anything the question is why is this list choke full of US govt
> agents like barrett, quinn, 'coderman', 'grarpamp', etc.
>
>
> Why do you think this list is full of US govt agents Karl?
>

To kill off hackers, because governments don't understand what hackers do,
and fear they could lose order.

The tone of this message is meant for the unpleasant email I received, not
the caring human being whose handle is attached to it.

>

Re: Leaks: WhistleBlowerAid.org - Safe Whistleblowing Workshop Livestream

[Karl Semich]

Meant to send this privately.  No worries it wasn't.

On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, 4:19 PM Karl Semich <0xl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, 12:09 PM David Barrett 
> wrote:
>
>> Kind of related to this, but for corporate rather than political
>> purposes: https://www.protocol.com/expensify-ceo-silenced-no-mor
>> e
>>
>
> That's a great thing, David.  Thank you.  Not sure why you're on this
> kinda-messed-up list, maybe for the tidbits that fall out sometimes.
>
> It does read to me like the article leaves out two things that are pretty
> important:
> - confirmation or a date that the nda's are actually amended
> - letting people disclose illegal acts done in the name of the business,
> as well as between people in the workplace
>
> Not meaning to argue anything, just relating how it read to me.
>
> Apologies for below cruft; on mobile.
>
> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, 5:22 AM grarpamp  wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/1/21, stef  wrote:
>>> > wasn't intelexit an art project by the berlin peng! collective?
>>>
>>> Yes, and also by Schneier and Drake, but it's not purely art
>>> since they do take intake, even if it only ends up in a referral.
>>>
>>> There was also OpenLeaks by ?Dan D-Berg?, which is long dead.
>>> DDoSecrets.
>>> Cryptome.
>>> And a few other uniques.
>>>
>>> Plus all the news media digging for scraps
>>> ever since WL went inactive while still sitting
>>> on old, and intaking new, docs.
>>>
>>> Almost no services mentioned in this entire thread have
>>> or will ever publish currently active TOP-SECRET/SCI
>>> unredacted for its full impact.
>>>
>>> And the choice of where to go, from self-publishing into
>>> the darknet, up through formal GovCorp whistleblowing
>>> channels, is certainly not easy.
>>>
>>> That's another reason GovCorp wants to keep WL on ice
>>> in limbo forever... no resolution = a FUD environment
>>> keeping new leakers mentally trapped inside it.
>>>
>>> There's a path out of that trap...
>>>
>>> If what you see is wrong, there's really no option
>>> but to do the right thing.
>>>
>>

Re: Leaks: WhistleBlowerAid.org - Safe Whistleblowing Workshop Livestream

[Karl Semich]

On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, 12:09 PM David Barrett  wrote:

> Kind of related to this, but for corporate rather than political purposes:
> https://www.protocol.com/expensify-ceo-silenced-no-mor
> e
>

That's a great thing, David.  Thank you.  Not sure why you're on this
kinda-messed-up list, maybe for the tidbits that fall out sometimes.

It does read to me like the article leaves out two things that are pretty
important:
- confirmation or a date that the nda's are actually amended
- letting people disclose illegal acts done in the name of the business, as
well as between people in the workplace

Not meaning to argue anything, just relating how it read to me.

Apologies for below cruft; on mobile.

On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, 5:22 AM grarpamp  wrote:
>
>> On 8/1/21, stef  wrote:
>> > wasn't intelexit an art project by the berlin peng! collective?
>>
>> Yes, and also by Schneier and Drake, but it's not purely art
>> since they do take intake, even if it only ends up in a referral.
>>
>> There was also OpenLeaks by ?Dan D-Berg?, which is long dead.
>> DDoSecrets.
>> Cryptome.
>> And a few other uniques.
>>
>> Plus all the news media digging for scraps
>> ever since WL went inactive while still sitting
>> on old, and intaking new, docs.
>>
>> Almost no services mentioned in this entire thread have
>> or will ever publish currently active TOP-SECRET/SCI
>> unredacted for its full impact.
>>
>> And the choice of where to go, from self-publishing into
>> the darknet, up through formal GovCorp whistleblowing
>> channels, is certainly not easy.
>>
>> That's another reason GovCorp wants to keep WL on ice
>> in limbo forever... no resolution = a FUD environment
>> keeping new leakers mentally trapped inside it.
>>
>> There's a path out of that trap...
>>
>> If what you see is wrong, there's really no option
>> but to do the right thing.
>>
>

Re: Leaks: WhistleBlowerAid.org - Safe Whistleblowing Workshop Livestream

[grarpamp]

> John-Young collaboration.

JYA-Cryptome should consider publishing
a complete bibliography of all its interviews,
and then collating and publishing all the videos
and/or links to them on the Cryptome site,
since the Internet is rapidly disappearing them
from its collective memory.

The internet would surely also welcome a new
interview to reflect time since the start, and a
complete release of entire Cryptome archive
into something like Bittorrent and IPFS.

Cypherpunks to assist as desired.

Re: Leaks: WhistleBlowerAid.org - Safe Whistleblowing Workshop Livestream

[professor rat]

TIME is running out for the WL Dead-enders. 

 If they can't link it to the 2016 POTUS election result then nothing its done 
has ever been more consequential than Project Veritas. 

Or the Alex-Jones-John-Young collaboration. 

Glen ' Gramps ' Greenwald. 

All noise - no signal.





 On Monday, 2 August 2021, 02:09:52 am AEST, David Barrett 
 wrote:

Kind of related to this, but for corporate rather than political purposes: 
https://www.protocol.com/expensify-ceo-silenced-no-more 

Re: Leaks: WhistleBlowerAid.org - Safe Whistleblowing Workshop Livestream

[David Barrett]

Kind of related to this, but for corporate rather than political purposes:
https://www.protocol.com/expensify-ceo-silenced-no-more

On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, 5:22 AM grarpamp  wrote:

> On 8/1/21, stef  wrote:
> > wasn't intelexit an art project by the berlin peng! collective?
>
> Yes, and also by Schneier and Drake, but it's not purely art
> since they do take intake, even if it only ends up in a referral.
>
> There was also OpenLeaks by ?Dan D-Berg?, which is long dead.
> DDoSecrets.
> Cryptome.
> And a few other uniques.
>
> Plus all the news media digging for scraps
> ever since WL went inactive while still sitting
> on old, and intaking new, docs.
>
> Almost no services mentioned in this entire thread have
> or will ever publish currently active TOP-SECRET/SCI
> unredacted for its full impact.
>
> And the choice of where to go, from self-publishing into
> the darknet, up through formal GovCorp whistleblowing
> channels, is certainly not easy.
>
> That's another reason GovCorp wants to keep WL on ice
> in limbo forever... no resolution = a FUD environment
> keeping new leakers mentally trapped inside it.
>
> There's a path out of that trap...
>
> If what you see is wrong, there's really no option
> but to do the right thing.
>

Re: Leaks: WhistleBlowerAid.org - Safe Whistleblowing Workshop Livestream

[grarpamp]

On 8/1/21, stef  wrote:
> wasn't intelexit an art project by the berlin peng! collective?

Yes, and also by Schneier and Drake, but it's not purely art
since they do take intake, even if it only ends up in a referral.

There was also OpenLeaks by ?Dan D-Berg?, which is long dead.
DDoSecrets.
Cryptome.
And a few other uniques.

Plus all the news media digging for scraps
ever since WL went inactive while still sitting
on old, and intaking new, docs.

Almost no services mentioned in this entire thread have
or will ever publish currently active TOP-SECRET/SCI
unredacted for its full impact.

And the choice of where to go, from self-publishing into
the darknet, up through formal GovCorp whistleblowing
channels, is certainly not easy.

That's another reason GovCorp wants to keep WL on ice
in limbo forever... no resolution = a FUD environment
keeping new leakers mentally trapped inside it.

There's a path out of that trap...

If what you see is wrong, there's really no option
but to do the right thing.

Re: Leaks: WhistleBlowerAid.org - Safe Whistleblowing Workshop Livestream

[stef]

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 08:12:33PM -0400, Karl Semich wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 7:00 AM grarpamp  wrote:
> 
> intelexit.org aids people in leaving national security and includes
> whistleblowing

wasn't intelexit an art project by the berlin peng! collective?

Re: Leaks: WhistleBlowerAid.org - Safe Whistleblowing Workshop Livestream

[Karl Semich]

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 7:00 AM grarpamp  wrote:

> On 7/27/21, Karl  wrote:
> > This is going on right now at https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LV0FjpKcCBQ
> .
> >
> > Whistleblowing is lawful and can be safe with the aid of a lawyer.
>
> https://whistlebloweraid.org/
>
> Nothing of note seems to have changed as
> a result of the case and people that that
> organization advertises as their model case.
> In part because the whole case got censored
> scrubbed pasted over non-disclosured blacked
> out secreted away and thus bored the media
> and public to death.
>
> Has that always been the situation [or not] with such
> official channels and cases... will it continue to be [or not]?
> You decide.
>
> "Safe" does not necessarily imply effective.
> Activism always entails risk.
>
> See similar: https://intelexit.org/


intelexit.org aids people in leaving national security and includes
whistleblowing

I think this is Raddack's (lawyer of us gov whistleblowers including
Snowden and Hale) organization: https://whisper.exposefacts.org/

I once encountered a whistleblowing organization about a specific suspect
corporation, that was actually a honeypot.  That doesn't seem likely true
of exposefacts.org given their high profile cases.