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On 4/20/19 9:49 PM, Punk wrote: > On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 17:43:17 -0500 > "\\0xDynamite" wrote: > [...] >> free-riders of the commune who weren't pulling their fair share of >> work, etc. > > FREE RIDERS! GASP!! In any social matrix, everybody contributes something, if only consistent honesty, reliability and concern for others. Except those who can't manage even that - and yeah I seen a few, fortunately just a few, here and there on my travels. From that all else follows, with regard to On vs. Off The Bus issues: The rider's own choice, take it or leave it. :o) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: My second Facebook thoughtcrime in two weeks!
Using the tools of the State against the State is the only way to make progress. The disconnected utopia was tried in the 60s and in the end they couldn't get away from the same things the State was addressing: crime within their ranks and the need to punish, the sick and elderly, free-riders of the commune who weren't pulling their fair share of work, etc. Marcos On 4/20/19, Steve Kinney wrote: > > > On 4/20/19 3:01 PM, Punk wrote: > > [...] > >>> I got a Facebook account for maybe seven or eight years ago. Since then >>> I have used it to find and hook up with local activist orgs; get >>> feedback on propaganda materials (handbills, flyers, etc.) in production >>> and distribute the finished products to people who used them IRL; do >>> volunteer intelligence work for activist orgs; picked up a few paying >>> gigs; and I managed to seriously blow about a dozen minds that I know >>> of. On the whole, The Facebook has served /my/ purposes adequately; the >>> question of whether that's "good" depends who you ask. >> >> >> I too had an account in a previous life and used it to do some of the >> things you mention. But as time went on the costs of using an NSA weapon >> designed to attack us outweighted any perceived benefit. >> >> For instance, it should be kinda self-evident that what you see inside >> facebook and which people you get to 'meet' is (heavily) manipulated. > > No question: The Facebook presents as a 'computer dating service' of > sorts, profiling users' interests and personalities and pulling users > into echo chambers populated by "their own kind." To a lesser extent > The Facebook also exposes users to "opposite" personalities and > messages, to encourage conflict and polarization - because that drives > user engagement and, in the long run, promotes our rulers' "divide the > conquered" agenda. > > The Facebook primarily works to find users' existing biases and magnify > them; their business model includes "changing minds" with regard to > consumer purchasing preferences and frequency. In the sphere of > political ideology, The Facebook spots, classifies and reinforces the > users' already established patterns, enhancing their predictable > responses to targeted political propaganda. > >> Then you have rampant censorship at the hands of the asshole users >> themselves. So the vast majority of groups are heavily censored and just >> echo chambers. > > Yup. However, those echo chambers do have their potential uses: One > must always preach to the choir, else how will they get on the same page > and work together effectively at show time? > > As an example, The Facebook has enabled me to distribute hundreds of > copies of this package of documents to receptive readers: > > http://web.archive.org/web/20190110192354/http://pilobilus.net/strategic_conflict_docs_intro.html > > > I think that alone makes screwing around with The Facebook a net win. > >> Then you're running tons of javascript malware, including a keylogger. >> Because of course the whole point of facebook is to automatically spy on >> you with milliseconds resolution. > > Javascript? Optional. Replace the www in any Facebook address with m, > for the legacy mobile version. I learned this exists when searching for > a convenient way to download videos posted directly on The Facebook - in > the mobile version, just right-click and save-as. Since then, mobile > has become my default mode. > > The "fancy" version of The Facebook requires JS from facebook.com and > fbcdn.com ["facebook content distribution network"]. Block Javascript > from all other sites while on the facebook.com domain and the thing > works faster and better, without 3rd party user tracking. NoScript does > the deed quite conveniently. AdBlock plasters over some of the cracks > that may be left. > > Another tracking feature: Links to posted URLs displayed in The > Facebook do not point to the targets advertised, but to The Facebook > itself, with PHP arguments appended; when clicked on, these links result > in a fast redirect to the target site, with a Facebook tracking code > appended, again as a PHP string. As far as I know, nobody has made a > browser plugin to automagically sanitize this process; but the real link > does appear in the on-page Facebook link; users can extract the real > link, to kill that component of Facebook user tracking. > > The Facebook's pages load a keylogger? I would like to hear more about > that; so far I have seen no evidence of one. > >> It should also be self-evident that nobody is ever going to be able to >> use a NSA-govcorp bulletin board to attack NSA-govcorp in any meaningful >> way. While you managed to inform a dozen people about the real nature of >> the society they live in, govcorp used facebook to disinform and >> manipulate 12 million people (or some such ratio between benefits and harm >> caused). > > That strikes me as a case of "making the perfect the enemy of the good." >
Re: My second Facebook thoughtcrime in two weeks!
On 4/20/19 3:01 PM, Punk wrote: [...] >> I got a Facebook account for maybe seven or eight years ago. Since then >> I have used it to find and hook up with local activist orgs; get >> feedback on propaganda materials (handbills, flyers, etc.) in production >> and distribute the finished products to people who used them IRL; do >> volunteer intelligence work for activist orgs; picked up a few paying >> gigs; and I managed to seriously blow about a dozen minds that I know >> of. On the whole, The Facebook has served /my/ purposes adequately; the >> question of whether that's "good" depends who you ask. > > > I too had an account in a previous life and used it to do some of the > things you mention. But as time went on the costs of using an NSA weapon > designed to attack us outweighted any perceived benefit. > > For instance, it should be kinda self-evident that what you see inside > facebook and which people you get to 'meet' is (heavily) manipulated. No question: The Facebook presents as a 'computer dating service' of sorts, profiling users' interests and personalities and pulling users into echo chambers populated by "their own kind." To a lesser extent The Facebook also exposes users to "opposite" personalities and messages, to encourage conflict and polarization - because that drives user engagement and, in the long run, promotes our rulers' "divide the conquered" agenda. The Facebook primarily works to find users' existing biases and magnify them; their business model includes "changing minds" with regard to consumer purchasing preferences and frequency. In the sphere of political ideology, The Facebook spots, classifies and reinforces the users' already established patterns, enhancing their predictable responses to targeted political propaganda. > Then you have rampant censorship at the hands of the asshole users > themselves. So the vast majority of groups are heavily censored and just echo > chambers. Yup. However, those echo chambers do have their potential uses: One must always preach to the choir, else how will they get on the same page and work together effectively at show time? As an example, The Facebook has enabled me to distribute hundreds of copies of this package of documents to receptive readers: http://web.archive.org/web/20190110192354/http://pilobilus.net/strategic_conflict_docs_intro.html I think that alone makes screwing around with The Facebook a net win. > Then you're running tons of javascript malware, including a keylogger. > Because of course the whole point of facebook is to automatically spy on you > with milliseconds resolution. Javascript? Optional. Replace the www in any Facebook address with m, for the legacy mobile version. I learned this exists when searching for a convenient way to download videos posted directly on The Facebook - in the mobile version, just right-click and save-as. Since then, mobile has become my default mode. The "fancy" version of The Facebook requires JS from facebook.com and fbcdn.com ["facebook content distribution network"]. Block Javascript from all other sites while on the facebook.com domain and the thing works faster and better, without 3rd party user tracking. NoScript does the deed quite conveniently. AdBlock plasters over some of the cracks that may be left. Another tracking feature: Links to posted URLs displayed in The Facebook do not point to the targets advertised, but to The Facebook itself, with PHP arguments appended; when clicked on, these links result in a fast redirect to the target site, with a Facebook tracking code appended, again as a PHP string. As far as I know, nobody has made a browser plugin to automagically sanitize this process; but the real link does appear in the on-page Facebook link; users can extract the real link, to kill that component of Facebook user tracking. The Facebook's pages load a keylogger? I would like to hear more about that; so far I have seen no evidence of one. > It should also be self-evident that nobody is ever going to be able to > use a NSA-govcorp bulletin board to attack NSA-govcorp in any meaningful way. > While you managed to inform a dozen people about the real nature of the > society they live in, govcorp used facebook to disinform and manipulate 12 > million people (or some such ratio between benefits and harm caused). That strikes me as a case of "making the perfect the enemy of the good." All the better State sponsored dissident groups do that, both to assert their acolytes' moral superiority and to discourage anyone from doing anything that might have unwanted real world political impacts. As I said before, "It's a piss poor pitiful anarchist who's too stinkin' good to use the State's resources against the interests of the State." I would stack up the long term social and political impact of the dozen or so minds The Facebook may have helped me ruin forever up against any 12,000 or so Normal
Re: My second Facebook thoughtcrime in two weeks!
> inform and manipulate 12 million people There is a time cost profit tradeoff using those BBS, and you're dealing with mass of ignorant, thus can only convert a few, that's certainly valuable. Just don't forget to deploy your own propaganda bots NLP "talking" to the masses and linking them out to better resources. Adversaries do it because it's practically free. So should you.
Re: My second Facebook thoughtcrime in two weeks!
On 4/19/19 1:35 AM, Punk wrote: > Well, having a facebook account may be rather a matter of self-hatred =P As long as I don't get prosecuted for self abuse it's all good. > The facebook is like democracy. If it could serve any good purpose, it > would be ilegal. "It's a piss poor pitiful anarchist who's too stinkin' good to use the State's resources against the interests of the State." - Me I got a Facebook account for maybe seven or eight years ago. Since then I have used it to find and hook up with local activist orgs; get feedback on propaganda materials (handbills, flyers, etc.) in production and distribute the finished products to people who used them IRL; do volunteer intelligence work for activist orgs; picked up a few paying gigs; and I managed to seriously blow about a dozen minds that I know of. On the whole, The Facebook has served /my/ purposes adequately; the question of whether that's "good" depends who you ask. :o) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: My second Facebook thoughtcrime in two weeks!
On April 17, 2019 9:11:50 PM PDT, "Shawn K. Quinn" wrote: >On 4/17/19 22:09, Steve Kinney wrote: >> Just got locked out of The Facebook for the second time in two weeks, >> this time thanks to a MegaChurch Xtian bitch I happen to know IRL, >who >> recognized herself "all to clearly" in this post and falsely reported >it >> as a TOS violation: > >It could be the swastikas on the comic book cover, along with the >repeated use of the term "Nazi", were considered "hate speech". I know >is a bit of a stretch, and I too disagree with the decision, but I'm >just saying that is how they think. A few months back I was banned by their AI for a week, for sharing a "Memory" from a few years ago their own Memories AI suggested I re-post where I had used the word 'faggot' like a drag queen in a cat fight might use it. I whined at them and got no reply until a day or two after the ban was over saying, in so many words... "Oops! Technical Glitch" They're gonna let this shit drive CARS! I've been suspended 2x since then for other stupid things, and my twitter account ... 100k tweets, 10 years old, was permanently suspended a couple of months ago for saying, exactly, to a some white supremacist scumbag: "I Heart #WhiteGenocide Fuck off and die.", to illustrate how badly I wanted him to stop @-ing me, Eventually all corporate social media sites will look just like MySpace. Remember MySpace? Still there. No one uses it.. Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail
Re: My second Facebook thoughtcrime in two weeks!
On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 12:42:43AM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote: > > > On 4/18/19 12:11 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > > On 4/17/19 22:09, Steve Kinney wrote: > >> Just got locked out of The Facebook for the second time in two weeks, > >> this time thanks to a MegaChurch Xtian bitch I happen to know IRL, who > >> recognized herself "all to clearly" in this post and falsely reported it > >> as a TOS violation: > > > > It could be the swastikas on the comic book cover, along with the > > repeated use of the term "Nazi", were considered "hate speech". I know > > is a bit of a stretch, and I too disagree with the decision, but I'm > > just saying that is how they think. > > > I would discount the likelihood of a human decision, given that the FU > notice from Facebook arrived three minutes (maybe less) after I pushed > the 'send' button. No time for a complaint to come up through a queue > for human attention - but about right for a "certain person" camping on > The Facebook to see my post, fly into a towering rage, and push a few > well worn buttons. :D > > I do plan to create a few "TOS violating" sock puppet accounts, and use > one to test my ability to censor other users' content on demand. Yes, that thought comes to mind quite a bit these days, so what we're seeing is the training of the populace to to f#ck one another over, through the abuse of power. A non-centralized system can be used in a similar way, but only localised, and through your local authorities, whoever -they- are. Which leads to the though, how to identify snitches in a decentralized p2p "anonymous but not really anonymous" comms platform? Well, CPs already know the answer, and the easy way to do that is automate it - introduce slight variations in the messages you send out, per-contact. Any non-munged report that comes back "to haunt me" identifies the original recipient, any munged report was literally not sent by me and is literally, and legally (and morally) a vicious and slanderous defamation against me which must be denounced in the most black and white terms imaginable. Let us teach the "petty Nazis" a lesson already! ;)
Re: My second Facebook thoughtcrime in two weeks!
On 4/18/19 12:11 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On 4/17/19 22:09, Steve Kinney wrote: >> Just got locked out of The Facebook for the second time in two weeks, >> this time thanks to a MegaChurch Xtian bitch I happen to know IRL, who >> recognized herself "all to clearly" in this post and falsely reported it >> as a TOS violation: > > It could be the swastikas on the comic book cover, along with the > repeated use of the term "Nazi", were considered "hate speech". I know > is a bit of a stretch, and I too disagree with the decision, but I'm > just saying that is how they think. I would discount the likelihood of a human decision, given that the FU notice from Facebook arrived three minutes (maybe less) after I pushed the 'send' button. No time for a complaint to come up through a queue for human attention - but about right for a "certain person" camping on The Facebook to see my post, fly into a towering rage, and push a few well worn buttons. :D I do plan to create a few "TOS violating" sock puppet accounts, and use one to test my ability to censor other users' content on demand. :o) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
