Re: The Zen White Paper

2017-05-11 Thread grarpamp 
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Joshua  wrote:
> Excellent! Get ready to see a flood of Bitcoin emerging in physical form.

If the internet is up, so will be the overlay darknets, wifi, and
wiring closets.
Thus VC's will be movable among peers, mining routes will exist, etc.

> Personally I really like what these folks are doing: https://opendime.com/

They're cool. But... seems to be of actual use you need a CPU+USB+OS
and internet with current blockchain to verify them, as visual tampers are
easily faked, and people go blind at surface mount. And they cost $10
times however many you hold / give. When $100 will already buy said
CPU+USB+OS+internet, and piles of utxo keys.

More work needs done before VC's can run over sneakernet.

Re: The Zen White Paper

2017-05-11 Thread Steven Schear 
Government regulation of cryptocurrencies (and Bitcoin in particular) will
have a similar result to regulatory capture.

A major missing element to thwart this is a well-conceived, widely adopted,
and open technology that offers trust without government. I propose
Open-Transactions.

The other missing leg to the cryptocurrency chair are independently issued
but verifiable and trusted fiat tokens. Once widely adopted exchangers need
not have bank accounts nor operate as licensed corporations.

Warrant Canary creator

On May 11, 2017 1:30 AM, "grarpamp"  wrote:

> The only real gamble is estimating regulation.
> The rest can be routed around through markets, diversify, distributed.
> Regulation in most sane places comes with public notice.
> Even therein, or even as a game, there is money to be had.
> Players know this, and their chips are often leisure money.
> But it is money... $53B of it in the top100 market cap.
> That will not sit quietly when faced with a $0'ing regulation proposition.
>
> Whatever you believe, and whether or not you're in,
> the history to date makes people seem a bit foolish
> to *not* redirect their next pointless discretionary
> purchase worth into it... cable tv, pizza, beer, cigs,
> weed, high brand products, whatever crap. Worst
> case it's another pointless buy down the drain.
> Best case... moon, adoption even.
>

Re: The Zen White Paper

2017-05-11 Thread Joshua 
Excellent! Get ready to see a flood of Bitcoin emerging in physical form. 
Personally I really like what these folks are doing: https://opendime.com/

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 Original Message 
Subject: Re: The Zen White Paper
Local Time: May 11, 2017 5:07 AM
UTC Time: May 11, 2017 9:07 AM
From: grarp...@gmail.com
To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org

Here's a fine series of articles outlining regulation to be routed around...

https://news.bitcoin.com/regulations-chinese-bitcoin-exchanges-expected-june-withdrawals-follow/

Re: The Zen White Paper

2017-05-11 Thread grarpamp 
Here's a fine series of articles outlining regulation to be routed around...

https://news.bitcoin.com/regulations-chinese-bitcoin-exchanges-expected-june-withdrawals-follow/

Re: The Zen White Paper

2017-05-11 Thread grarpamp 
Cryptos be like...
https://i.redd.it/8kihpe54rrwy.jpg

Re: The Zen White Paper

2017-05-11 Thread grarpamp 
The only real gamble is estimating regulation.
The rest can be routed around through markets, diversify, distributed.
Regulation in most sane places comes with public notice.
Even therein, or even as a game, there is money to be had.
Players know this, and their chips are often leisure money.
But it is money... $53B of it in the top100 market cap.
That will not sit quietly when faced with a $0'ing regulation proposition.

Whatever you believe, and whether or not you're in,
the history to date makes people seem a bit foolish
to *not* redirect their next pointless discretionary
purchase worth into it... cable tv, pizza, beer, cigs,
weed, high brand products, whatever crap. Worst
case it's another pointless buy down the drain.
Best case... moon, adoption even.

Re: The Zen White Paper

2017-05-10 Thread Joshua 
True, capitalists are quite interested in the great accumulation of this wealth 
rather than using it as a stateless method to exchange value.

The best solution is to this is to fork this project, fork other projects like 
it too. Retake control of global purchasing power while you're at it. Build 
many more like it and give the capitalists a run for their money. They are a 
resource.

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: The Zen White Paper
Local Time: May 10, 2017 2:42 PM
UTC Time: May 10, 2017 6:42 PM
From: juan@gmail.com
To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org
Joshua <joshua2...@protonmail.ch>

On Wed, 10 May 2017 12:43:48 -0400
Joshua <joshua2...@protonmail.ch> wrote:

> Many have began to realize the supply of
> internet money is endless

yeah, that's the basic 'principle' of all scammers. The suply
of money is endless. And pigs fly.

Re: The Zen White Paper

2017-05-10 Thread juan 
On Wed, 10 May 2017 12:43:48 -0400
Joshua  wrote:

> Many have began to realize the supply of
> internet money is endless 

yeah, that's the basic 'principle' of all scammers. The suply
of money is endless. And pigs fly.

Re: The Zen White Paper

2017-05-10 Thread Razer 


On 05/10/2017 09:43 AM, Joshua wrote:
> is possible to build completely autonomous economic systems

That will be used to do the exactly same things already existing
currency does.

So, as I always suggest. everyone's simply gambling on crypto-currency's
value.

Imho the kind of people who'd be involved in such ventures are cut from
the same block of scum as 'high-frequency traders' and other psychopaths
that made so-called 'fiat currency' values a shambles. And they'll do it
to crypto-currency too.

Greed is it's own kind of reward, hell.

Rr

The Zen White Paper

2017-05-10 Thread Joshua 
The Zen White Paper
https://www.scribd.com/document/347946086/Zen-White-Paper

Currently as Bitcoin argues aspects of self-accumulation and distribution (the 
exact same issues fiat currencies face), other competitors have emerged. Many 
have began to realize the supply of internet money is endless and any project 
designed to capture more ground in the fight for digital self-determination is 
a righteous one.

With the hybridization of cooperative blockchain projects and digital mints it 
is possible to build completely autonomous economic systems. In the near future 
these independent blockchain systems will become interoperable resulting in the 
overall decline of traditional economic systems and non-cooperative blockchain 
systems (such as Bitcoin).

The ultimate success of these systems directly relies on the mutual usage and 
transfer of the token.

Join us as we deprecate the economic institutions of today for a better 
tomorrow.