Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[Razer]

On 02/14/2017 05:55 PM, James A. Donald practiced a classic Nazi strategy:

>
> ...if they had refrained from drinking the payments the settlers gave
> them for their land, and if they had refrained from going to war after
> drinking up their payments, there would be a lot more of them around.
>

Blaming the victims of Genocide for the genocide.

Rr

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[James A. Donald]

On 02/14/2017 02:13 PM, James A. Donald wrote:

In fact even the real original Nazis did not openly deny anyone's
right to exist.  Their original plan was to deport the Jews to
anywhere that would take them,


On 2/15/2017 10:55 AM, Razer wrote:

Ask the Cherokee if sitting them in the middle of a stinking desert
didn't qualify as "deny anyone's right to exist..."


The Cherokee are still around, and if they had refrained from drinking 
the payments the settlers gave them for their land, and if they had 
refrained from going to war after drinking up their payments, there 
would be a lot more of them around.

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[Razer]

On 02/14/2017 02:13 PM, James A. Donald wrote:

> In fact even the real original Nazis did not openly deny anyone's
> right to exist.  Their original plan was to deport the Jews to
> anywhere that would take them,


Ask the Cherokee if sitting them in the middle of a stinking desert
didn't qualify as "deny anyone's right to exist..." after 90% decimation
(or so).

You REALLY need to look up the definition... The "Webster Definition"...
of Genocide.

I know you won't. Nazis and Fascists rely on #FakeFacts they stick to
until one other person, out of some existential desperation (the 'other'
is taking my something-or-other usually works), believes it then there's
two spewing verbal pus.

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[James A. Donald]

On 2017-02-14 14:02, James A. Donald wrote:

And you get to decide that anyone who wears a red hat or a red tie or
who disagrees with you on any question, or fails to treat you with the
respect you believe you deserve, despite all objective indications
that you deserve no respect whatsoever, is denying your right to
exist.


On 2/15/2017 8:20 AM, Razer wrote:

You have a reading comprehension problem


Yellow Hat originally wore a red Trump hat.  He was wearing a yellow hat 
at the time he was sucker punched and then beaten up because antifa took 
his red hat earlier.


Apart from being pro trump and pro second amendment, his views seem to 
be standard progressive views.


By all means continue your violent physical attacks on the Second 
Amendment crowd, the supporters of concealed carry.

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[James A. Donald]

James A. Donald wrote:

You claim the right to physically attack anyone, and not be physically
attacked in turn.


On 2/15/2017 6:24 AM, Razer wrote:

I claim the right to preemptively 'redact' anyone who believes, because
of a trait I or anyone else have zero control over... Ethnicity,
religious I was born into, national origin, etc, that I have no right to
exist. Absolutely.


In fact even the real original Nazis did not openly deny anyone's right 
to exist.  Their original plan was to deport the Jews to anywhere that 
would take them, in particular and especially Israel, and they created a 
large bureaucracy to interface with other countries bureaucracies to 
grease the tracks and persuade other countries to take them.  But other 
countries aggressively obstructed this program of deportation.


When, due to socialism, they found they did not have enough food to go 
around they furtively and secretively decided to exterminate the Jews - 
a decision that bears a striking resemblance to the much larger 
democides committed by communists, such as yourself.


Had the Nazis won, then they would be the high status academic  and 
official media sources that Wikipedia deems reliable, and you would read 
in all the history books and in Wikipedia that no Holocaust took place, 
and the Jews were in fact all deported except for a few trouble making 
terrorists who got shot.  Also, no mention of any food shortage. 
National Socialism would supposedly be a complete economic success, much 
as North American GDP continues to supposedly rise even though the 
average male salary and median male salary buys substantially fewer cars 
and substantially fewer loafs of bread than it did in 1972, not to 
mention enormously less of the years in college required to get a decent 
job, even though a normal person used to be able to get a doctor to call 
when his child was sick and today he cannot.

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 02:20:54PM -0800, Razer wrote:
> On 2017-02-14 14:02, James A. Donald wrote:
> >On 02/14/2017 11:57 AM, James A. Donald wrote:
> >>>You claim the right to physically attack anyone, and not be physically
> >>>attacked in turn.
> >
> >On 2/15/2017 6:24 AM, Razer wrote:
> >>I claim the right to preemptively 'redact' anyone who believes, because
> >>of a trait I or anyone else have zero control over... Ethnicity,
> >>religious I was born into, national origin, etc, that I have no right to
> >>exist. Absolutely.
> >
> >
> >And you get to decide that anyone who wears a red hat or a red tie or
> >who disagrees with you on any question, or fails to treat you with the
> >respect you believe you deserve, despite all objective indications
> >that you deserve no respect whatsoever, is denying your right to
> >exist.
> 
> You have a reading comprehension problem

You have an aggression / anger problem, and no, James' characterisation
is both accurate AND decorous.

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[Razer]

On 2017-02-14 14:02, James A. Donald wrote:

On 02/14/2017 11:57 AM, James A. Donald wrote:
You claim the right to physically attack anyone, and not be 
physically

attacked in turn.


On 2/15/2017 6:24 AM, Razer wrote:
I claim the right to preemptively 'redact' anyone who believes, 
because

of a trait I or anyone else have zero control over... Ethnicity,
religious I was born into, national origin, etc, that I have no right 
to

exist. Absolutely.



And you get to decide that anyone who wears a red hat or a red tie or
who disagrees with you on any question, or fails to treat you with the
respect you believe you deserve, despite all objective indications
that you deserve no respect whatsoever, is denying your right to
exist.


You have a reading comprehension problem

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[James A. Donald]

On 02/14/2017 11:57 AM, James A. Donald wrote:

You claim the right to physically attack anyone, and not be physically
attacked in turn.


On 2/15/2017 6:24 AM, Razer wrote:

I claim the right to preemptively 'redact' anyone who believes, because
of a trait I or anyone else have zero control over... Ethnicity,
religious I was born into, national origin, etc, that I have no right to
exist. Absolutely.



And you get to decide that anyone who wears a red hat or a red tie or 
who disagrees with you on any question, or fails to treat you with the 
respect you believe you deserve, despite all objective indications that 
you deserve no respect whatsoever, is denying your right to exist.

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[Razer]

On 02/14/2017 11:57 AM, James A. Donald wrote:
> You claim the right to physically attack anyone, and not be physically
> attacked in turn.

I claim the right to preemptively 'redact' anyone who believes, because
of a trait I or anyone else have zero control over... Ethnicity,
religious I was born into, national origin, etc, that I have no right to
exist. Absolutely.

As far as the second part. I take care of my own biz just fine thanks.
I'm always 'ready to rmble'.

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[oshwm]

On 14 February 2017 18:16:03 GMT+00:00, Razer  wrote:
>
>
>On 02/14/2017 10:00 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
>> what do you think a ‘cypher’ is, shill?
>>
>
>It was one of Tim May's interests. What do you think PUNKS means,
>troll?
>
>It means you should get lost if you don't like the way this UNMODERATED
>list reads.
>
>Rr

I can only offer a +1 :)

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[James A. Donald]

On 2/15/2017 1:40 AM, Razer wrote:

From the publisher of Right-Wing Watch.

[My note: If you read this carefully you will note that one of the
endearing traits of Fascism is "Shapeshifting". It really has no fixed
ideology. It morphs to suit whatever society it infests. It relies on
popular opinion of whatever is 'wrong' about a society and utilizes
reactionary behavior to accomplish it's goals. No political ideology is
required. It's parasitic to political ideologies using the (snigger)
"Little Man"(Wilhelm Reich) to make the "Big Man" bigger.]


Fascism has a perfectly clear and fixed ideology.

Rather, the people that you choose to assault (usually starting with a 
sucker punch) have no fixed ideology.  You claim the right to physically 
attack anyone, and not be physically attacked in turn.

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[Joshua Case]

> I was writing code before there was any money in it, or 'gits' etc. I do 
> other things now. Fuck off.

Take your half baked political noise back to reddit or whatever. This list is 
not your fucking personal Pinterest for political marketing.  It had a topic 
and a purpose, and it was better before you started posting. Which I remember 
clearly.

Regardless of what you read back then when you decided to start dumping here, 
Tim May is not the topic of this list, nor is it his idea to use code and 
cryptography as a means of breaking a community's reliance on systems where the 
whole's  integrity relies on the good nature of human agency.  People are 
irrational. Cryptography can help defend against irrational actors. But it's 
hard. Hard to learn math, hard to get feel compelled to give back to a society 
that treats you like shit  inadvertently yet by design. I used to read things 
that helped me do the hard stuff here. You break that resource for me, call me 
semen, stupid, troll, then tell me the nature of this list? This list which I 
watched you join? And now it's just Rayzr, spitting his "series of shock 
slogans and mindless token tantrums" - and I should fuck off? 

I doubt it. This is why we can't have nice things. 

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[juan]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2017 13:56:17 -0500
Joshua Case  wrote:

> Cypherpunks write code. 

this is a list about crypto anarchy, not a list about 'coding'

Also, since this is a list about crypto ANARCHY, then people
not intereted in anarchy or worse, OPENLY HOSTILE to it, should
go troll somehwere else. That certainly includes the likes of
"Ted Smith" and commie totatilarians like the rayzer. 

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[Joshua Case]

Cypherpunks write code. 

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Razer  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 02/14/2017 10:25 AM, Ted Smith wrote:
>> "Cypherpunks write code."
> 
> But that's not all they doand besides (boilerplate)
> 
>> 
>> The trolls infesting this list, typically suggesting it's a coders or 
>> cryptographer's list, seem to have a problem with this list's operation. 
>> Because they aren't crypto-anarchist, they're Cryptofascists who'd like to 
>> shape this list by dunning and other fascist tactics and strategies, into 
>> something more pleasing. To them. If it's any indication I see a lot of 
>> complaints about the lack of 'coders' on the list, from them, and no code 
>> being presented, by them.
> 
> 
> I was writing code before there was any money in it, or 'gits' etc. I do 
> other things now. Fuck off.

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[Ted Smith]

"Cypherpunks write code."

On February 14, 2017 10:13:24 AM PST, Razer  wrote:
>
>
>On 02/14/2017 10:00 AM, some asshole wrote:
>> Well, not anymore.
>>
>
>How about Never? ... Is NEVER good for you?
>
>This NEVER was a coders list. It's a list for people interested in
>cybersecurity and cryptography who COULD BE coders. There are coders
>and
>cipher people who USE this list. The fellow who created the list wasn't
>a coder or cryptographer-for-a-living. He was an ELECTRONICS ENGINEER
>(my 'minor') and his intent when he created this list was fully
>POLITICAL.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_C._May

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[Razer]

On 02/14/2017 10:00 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
> what do you think a ‘cypher’ is, shill?
>

It was one of Tim May's interests. What do you think PUNKS means, troll?

It means you should get lost if you don't like the way this UNMODERATED
list reads.

Rr

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[Razer]

On 02/14/2017 10:00 AM, some asshole wrote:
> Well, not anymore.
>

How about Never? ... Is NEVER good for you?

This NEVER was a coders list. It's a list for people interested in
cybersecurity and cryptography who COULD BE coders. There are coders and
cipher people who USE this list. The fellow who created the list wasn't
a coder or cryptographer-for-a-living. He was an ELECTRONICS ENGINEER
(my 'minor') and his intent when he created this list was fully POLITICAL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_C._May

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[Joshua Case]

what do you think a ‘cypher’ is, shill?


Joshua Case
jwc...@gmail.com 

“International tensions. Mounting international tensions. First there were 
states of precautionary alert, then there were enhanced readiness centers. This 
was followed by maximum arc situational preparedness. We can measure the 
gravity of events by tracing the increasingly abstract nature of the 
terminology. One more level of vagueness and that could be it."

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 12:48 PM, Razer  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 02/14/2017 08:29 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
>> 
>> It’s shit. Write some code, or go the fuck away.
> 
> This isn't a coders list fuck off.

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[Ted Smith]

Well, not anymore.

On February 14, 2017 9:48:47 AM PST, Razer  wrote:
>
>
>On 02/14/2017 08:29 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
>>
>> It’s shit. Write some code, or go the fuck away.
>
>This isn't a coders list fuck off.

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[Razer]

On 02/14/2017 08:29 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
>
> It’s shit. Write some code, or go the fuck away.

This isn't a coders list fuck off.

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[Joshua Case]

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Razer  wrote:
> 
> From the publisher of Right-Wing Watch.
> 



If you are skeptical at efforts to define your own sworn enemy, you cannot say 
you know your enemy. A partisan appealing to the ‘expertise’ and ‘authority’ of 
another partisan who cannot maintain - even in his own mind - the definition of 
fascist. It’s the very definition of logical fallacy. Appeal to authority. Your 
enemy is Eurasia! We’ve always been at war with Eurasia! 

“Fascism” isn’t shapeshifting - the definition is. You invoke frightening 
ghosts to win support with invective you fail to comprehend. Your political 
opponents may be using new tactics, may be deplorable, but you need to call you 
enemy “fascist” otherwise it is difficult to defend the kind of histrionics you 
ask us to accept. You need to invoke death camps to justify your outrage. 
Without them, you’re simply registering a complaint and this drives you crazy - 
you need the ULTIMATE justification. 

The link at the bottom: “Is George Bush a Fascist?” - to which the answer is 
no; he was an asshole, but not a fascist anymore than Obama was or is - it 
directly contradicts the content of your copy/paste.

This shit is as boring as it is shallow. Let’s stop name calling and the faux 
revolutionary shit, seriously - you are beginning to feel like those Heaven’s 
Gate types - living these grown up fairy tails with definite good and evil and 
space men coming to save us, destroy us, entertain us! 

It’s shit. Write some code, or go the fuck away.