Re: Dna samples of world leaders
On Wednesday 23 July 2003 02:56, Sarad AV wrote: Yesterdays briefing on the death of saddams sons-the bodies were said to be send for positive identification through dna tests.How are these samples obtained anyway?Royal Saloons,Royal Doctors,Visits to the US during peace times?What more effecient methods are used? Samples from known relatives, I'd guess, along with any other means that comes to hand. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all! -- Rep. Henry Waxman
Re: A 'Funky A.T.M.' Lets You Pay for Purchases Made Online
If the digicash isn't anonymous, it's worthless. I'd argue to the contrary. First, most people have nothing to hide. The folks will want digicash for reasons other than anonymity, as argued You are misusing the term cash. What you are describing are essentially internet debit cards. While it is attractive to insert word cash into any harebrained net money scheme, exactly because of positive associations with CASH, it is misleading and deceptive. Cash means off-line clearing and anonymous. If it is complicated to understand, open your wallet, take a banknote out of it and ponder what it is for a minute. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
Re: Fisk articles
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: Yeah, I know I can, but I'm so broke I can barely pay attention. Too bad the local library doesn't have a sub to the Independant. 8-( I'm looking for a new job. If I'm lucky, I'll get a real one and can send you some Fisk fix :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Leech politics could be bad for your health
Could your political beliefs determine how long you live? New research from sociologist Dr William Cockerham and colleagues from the University of Alabama in the United States has found that differences in attitudes to looking after your body and your health are predicted by your political allegiances. It seems those who believe the state should take responsibility for most aspects of life also tend to eschew personal responsibility for taking care of themselves. As a result, they are more likely to engage in lifestyles hazardous to their health, including drinking to excess and not exercising. http://thescotsman.co.uk/health.cfm?id=765012003 steve Il dulce far niente The sweetness of doing nothing My unemployment motto
Re: Dna samples of world leaders
On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 11:56 PM, Sarad AV wrote: hi, Yesterdays briefing on the death of saddams sons-the bodies were said to be send for positive identification through dna tests.How are these samples obtained anyway?Royal Saloons,Royal Doctors,Visits to the US during peace times?What more effecient methods are used? Hair samples, dandruff, etc. A bunch of reports over the past several months that the houses and villas of Hussein and his family had been gone over carefully for traces of hair, old shaving razors, skin particles, etc. Even if doctors and such have not been bribed or coerced into providing blood samples, lots of ways to track DNA. All a matter of economics, as usual. --Tim May
Re: Dna samples of world leaders
Bah! Saddam has become the new Eric Goldstien since Osama Bin Ladin is quieter. Perhaps the CIA's voice lab is better at cloning his voice? hence the poor quality audio tapes? I wonder how hard it is to capture a person's phoenems and feed it to a good quality speech synth? I wonder if recording it on a cheap tape with a microphone will remove all traces of it being fake. The hard part will of course be getting the inflections right. Perhaps if you tie a speech recognition system with a speech synth, the recognition system might be able to detect inflection, tone, and rate, and provide hints to the synth? Wouldn't even have to work in real time. Hey, if they were willing to push Hans Blix around until he called the bastards and reported all the pressure to find something and offed David Kelley, why not something like a Saddam Vactor? I'm sure they could even sprinkle the old DNA samples around some shack in the woods of Iran or Saudi Arabia or something, along with some uranium or anthrax samples and aluminu cylinders, as proof that they were harboring him as a prelude to another invasion. Why the fuck not? 50 states isn't enough, and North America's getting too crowded, let's take over the entire Middle East... After that, let's take over France too and make them say EMAIL and eat only McDonalds' cheeseburgers and drink only Budwiser. But that can wait until after we mine all of Liberia's diamonds... hey we can't afford another war just yet, need to make money first... The sky's the limit, just vote for Bush again, and after him Condoleeza Rice can be our first female president with Ashcroft as VP. We can be very politically correct that way. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :25Kliters anthrax, 38K liters botulinum toxin, 500 tons of /|\ \|/ :sarin, mustard and VX gas, mobile bio-weapons labs, nukular /\|/\ --*--:weapons.. Reasons for war on Iraq - GWB 2003-01-28 speech. \/|\/ /|\ :Found to date: 0. Cost of war: $800,000,000,000 USD.\|/ + v + : The look on Sadam's face - priceless! [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Tim May wrote: Hair samples, dandruff, etc. A bunch of reports over the past several months that the houses and villas of Hussein and his family had been gone over carefully for traces of hair, old shaving razors, skin particles, etc. Even if doctors and such have not been bribed or coerced into providing blood samples, lots of ways to track DNA. All a matter of economics, as usual. --Tim May
Re: Dna samples of world leaders
At 11:56 PM 7/22/03 -0700, Sarad AV wrote: Yesterdays briefing on the death of saddams sons-the bodies were said to be send for positive identification through dna tests.How are these samples obtained anyway?Royal Saloons,Royal Doctors,Visits to the US during peace times?What more effecient methods are used? Sarath. A guy was busted by using DNA from an envelope he licked in response to a sting letter from the police (but not appearing so). A guy was caught because his *son's* DNA was on file. Go dump-diving in places where his trash is dumped. And at his relatives houses. Befriend/employ someone where he/they get their bloodwork done. Cleaning people who dust where he sits. His barber. His launderer. Wonder how they got their dentalcharts. They'll have to show us the beef if they want to be believed. Of course, Bush and Rummy holding their heads on sticks will have to be edited from US markets... The first rule of missile fighting: the one who brings the full-auto rifle loses.
Re: Fwd: [IP] Gilmore bounced from plane; and Farber censors Gilmore's email
Kerry Thompson wrote: Dave Howe said: John Kozubik wrote: [snip] There are no obvious grounds for discressionary removal based on wearing a badge (or being married to a habitual badge-wearer) but the banning notice thing looks to be a blanket refusal option written up to look like something else - I don't read this as saying you have to have met the section (a) criteria for them to issue a banning notice, in which case they can refuse you for no reason at all provided they put it in writing. True, but Gilmore clearly refused an order from the Captain despite his view that the order to remove the badge was in breach of some rights that he thought he had. At this point of refusal the presence of a badge becomes secondary, and Gilmore has probably breached a few rules, such as : 7) If you have not obeyed the instructions of our ground staff or a member of the crew of the aircraft relating to safety or security. . The safety or security issue being what? and maybe : 9) If you have behaved in a threatening, abusive, insulting or disorderly way towards a member of our ground staff or a member of the crew of the aircraft. if you could class Gilmore's actions as disorderly. Could you? I think not. . and : 10) If you have deliberately interfered with a member of the crew of the aircraft carrying out their duties. where the duties could have been those of the flight assistant to have the badge removed. Give me a break. I felt sorry for the other 300 people on the plane who had their flight delayed for some guy with a small badge on his chest, and a big chip on his shoulder. Yeah, never stand up for your rights if it might delay you. I'm with you, brother. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff
Re: Fwd: [IP] Gilmore bounced from plane; and Farber censors Gilmore's email
At 09:18 2003-07-23 -0400, Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mean, a 1 inch button, for Christ's sake. They must have had to use a magnifying glass to read the slogan. Actually, that's an interesting point. Let's first of all remember that Gilmore was allowed onto the plane in the first place, so airport security didn't care or notice. And it doesn't seem that onboard Gilmore was causing a ruckus or creating the sense of insecurity. And I'm willing to bet that none of the staff actually felt/believed that the guy was a threat (let's assume they have the right to remove somebody that perceived to be a threat). So clearly this was punitive. Yes, but who was being punished? No don't get me wrong, I would have thought the guy was a little bit of dick for spooking the straights, and I would have been tempted (note the word tempted) to punch that button off of him so we didn't have to turn around. Right, all the passengers were being punished. The captain was the dick. But it sounds like a rehash of the mall incident...had he walked onto the flight with a button that said I support our troops, he wouldn't have been thrown off. Thus everyone has become a kind of thought copbut what they're enforcing is not the collective perceived reality, but what most people believe the collective perceived reality is supposed to be. There're cracks already though, and the fact that NY Times ran that photo on the front page the other day means a lot, actually... Anyone have a deep link to the photo? Looks like this is a good opportunity for a airline DoS attack. Perhaps a organization like the ACLU (or a new group) should actively enlist those who support a expansive view of free speech and fly infrequently (so it won't impact their livelihood should they be put on the CAPPS exclusion list) to don buttons and other benignly expressive (and 1st Amendment legal) apparel, etc. once aboard airline flights. steve Il dulce far niente The sweetness of doing nothing My unemployment motto
Re: kinko spying: criminal caught Scarfing keydata
The real question is whether the FBI's keyloggers caught Jiang's passwords, or whether it was the NSA or Mossad caught the FBI's keyloggers catching Jiang's keylogger catching other passwords. At 01:13 PM 07/23/2003 -0700, Major Variola (ret.) wrote: Kinko's spy case: Risks of renting PCs NEW YORK (AP) -- For more than a year, unbeknownst to people who used Internet terminals at Kinko's stores in New York, Juju Jiang was recording what they typed, paying particular attention to their passwords. Jiang had secretly installed, in at least 14 Kinko's copy shops, software that logs individual keystrokes. He captured more than 450 user names and passwords, and used them to access and open bank accounts online. http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/07/23/cybercafe.security.ap/index.html
kinko spying: criminal caught Scarfing keydata
Kinko's spy case: Risks of renting PCs NEW YORK (AP) -- For more than a year, unbeknownst to people who used Internet terminals at Kinko's stores in New York, Juju Jiang was recording what they typed, paying particular attention to their passwords. Jiang had secretly installed, in at least 14 Kinko's copy shops, software that logs individual keystrokes. He captured more than 450 user names and passwords, and used them to access and open bank accounts online. http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/07/23/cybercafe.security.ap/index.html
