Re: All quiet on the western front

2003-07-02 Thread Anonymous
Hi, Tim,

I'm glad that you have a bout of lucidity.

The government essentially won the crypto battle, marginalizing crypto
proponents, quietly getting media and corporations under control when
crypto is concerned, and generally rising the stakes. Those of you who
have access to corporate product development documents that relate to
communications know what I am talking about. CALEA etcl. It's there,
it's real and I think that about 5-10% of development resources are
taken by it.

Most cypherpunks were relatively highly paid engineers with
comfortable lives and some time on their hands, so while crypto was
fashionable it was cool to hang out at meetings and have pipe dreams
about taking on the state. Even then, scum like del Torto started to
bank ahead and sell to the freedom fighters and good cops.

But then it got much worse. After the WTC theater, being present at
essentially anti-state meetings was not considered totally benign. And
also the salaries were gone, so this beer and TV Saturday alternative
suddenly stopped being alternative at all.

So we're back to the fact that highly paid engineers in crypto field
are really not automatically revolutionaries. On the contrary.

There are very few in the general population that are cut to be true
dissenters and act upon it. Now this age brings in the additional
requirement: they have to also be decent engineers. As a result, there
are very few left.



Re: Destroying government computers

2003-06-19 Thread privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
We must not wait while dangers gather. They are either with us 
on computer security, or they are with the terrorists. We know 
they have these weapons for mass communications destruction and 
disruption and they have used them before. Preemptive actions 
are insufficient. Preventive actions are a right of self-
defense. Isn't that the current world view legitimized by the US 
government? We don't sit still when a would-be attacker moves 
toward the cockpit, and there is no need to sit still waiting 
for our BIOS to be overwritten with nulls. Taking away offensive 
capabilities when potential attackers enter the concourse or 
trespass upon the chattel of our computers seems only reasonable 
and fully supportive of national security and public policy. 
Since we can't know whether it is our friends and heroic 
protectors, or terrorists, who are trying to destroy our 
communications, kill all the dangerous, evil machines that 
connect and let God sort them out.

On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:07:49 -0400, you wrote:

 The chairman of the Senate Judiciary  Committee said yesterday he favors developing 
 new technology to remotely  destroy the computers of people who illegally download 
 music from the Internet.

 Well, even if they COULD develope such a technology, wouldn't it only work for about 
 a day or two before a patch was made to block it? Sounds awfully Dilbert-like. 
 Methinks Mr Hatch is not a very bright man.

 If Orrin Hatch proposes such a thing, we can propose technologies which
 identify those from .gov or .mil or other Congress/Gov't. domains and  send lethal 
 viruses and suchlike back to them to destroy their machines  if they illegally 
 connect to our machines.

 Why wait? And of course, such an act would be our patriotic duty, because if we 
 didn't, then The Terrorists certainly would when we were least prepared for it.

 -TD



 From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Destroying government computers
 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:16:57 -0700

 http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/wed/business/ news_1b18hatch.html
 
  June 18, 2003, WASHINGTON - The chairman of the Senate Judiciary
 Committee
  said yesterday he favors developing new technology to remotely  destroy the
  computers of people who illegally download music from the Internet.
 
  If that's the only way, then I'm all for destroying their machines.  If
 you
  have a few hundred thousand of those, I think people would realize  the
  seriousness of their actions, he said.


 If Orrin Hatch proposes such a thing, we can propose technologies which
 identify those from .gov or .mil or other Congress/Gov't. domains and  send lethal 
 viruses and suchlike back to them to destroy their machines  if they illegally 
 connect to our machines.

 (A simple warning that government stooges, lawyers, judges, clerks, and
 any GS-xx employees are not allowed to connect should suffice. After  that, if they 
 connect, fuck their machines dead.)


 --Tim May
 Ben Franklin warned us that those who would trade liberty for a little
 bit of temporary security deserve neither. This is the path we are now
 racing down, with American flags fluttering.-- Tim May, on events
 following 9/11/2001

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Re: Destroying computers

2003-06-19 Thread privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:41:52 -0700, you wrote:

 At 01:07 AM 6/19/03 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote:
  Methinks Mr Hatch is not a very bright man.

 A Southern senator.  Need I say more?

Yes, a little more. Do you mean southern Utah?

Hey, any stereotype in a storm, eh?