Re: Dna samples of world leaders
Yes, brain fart. :) s/b Emmanuel Goldstein. Doh! Need more coffee... Yup, but you don't have to splice a tape, you can do it all digitally these days, then create a signle low quality audiotape recorded so poorly that your analyst won't be able to acurately say yes or not. The real question is whether or not you can have a speech synth that can put out convincing inflections, pauses, um's ah's, coughs, etc. to the point that it sounds like a human with emotions, not a machine. You can get the samples from existing speeches/addresses and extract just the phonemes. Your speech synth's output shouldn't sound like a bunch of clips of words of course. :) I don't know how many phonemes would be required for a convinging Iraqi leader... For English there's like 30 something... If you get them all at the same tone from the same speech, you're set. If you've ever played with MacOS's speech synth, they have some that are somewhat realistic human voices, but they still speak with out human sounding rythms - rather they sound like a human trying to imitate a computer a la old Star Trek episodes. Add the inflections to get emotion like sounds, and increase the quality of the synth so you don't hear machine artifacts, and you're set. It's not an easy problem, but neither is it impossible. As to DNA: Uh, I was talking about Sadam's palaces - lots of skin flakes, clothes, hairs in combs, etc to be had there. Ok, well that presumes that sufficient samples were collected before the nice palace parties. :) --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :25Kliters anthrax, 38K liters botulinum toxin, 500 tons of /|\ \|/ :sarin, mustard and VX gas, mobile bio-weapons labs, nukular /\|/\ <--*-->:weapons.. Reasons for war on Iraq - GWB 2003-01-28 speech. \/|\/ /|\ :Found to date: 0. Cost of war: $800,000,000,000 USD.\|/ + v + : The look on Sadam's face - priceless! [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Bill Stewart wrote: > At 12:42 PM 07/23/2003 -0400, Sunder wrote: > >Bah! Saddam has become the new Eric Goldstien since Osama Bin Ladin is > >quieter. > > I'm guessing you're mixing up Emmanuel Goldstein, from 1984 > and Eric Corley aka Emmanuel Goldstein, from 2600 ? > It might be hard to splice together a tape that would > fool a forensic expert into thinking the tape was really > an authentic recording by the same person who was speaking on > several other known-to-be-authentic recordings. > It's not at all hard to put together a press release from > an ostensible forensic expert claiming that a tape > is or isn't authentic, or even to find an expert who'll say it. > It's probably not too hard to put together a tape with > the speech you want and a set of claimed-to-be-known-authentic samples > that the expert can compare with the voice on the tape, > if the expert doesn't have good independent samples of his own. > > After all, your objective isn't to fool the experts - > it's to fool the public, or rather to make sure that the public > that you've already fooled continues to stay fooled. > As Bush said, "fool me once, shame on... shame on.. " > > > Besides, to get the DNA samples, they just checked with > Illuminati Headquarters - you thought that when world leaders > sign their employment contracts in blood, it's only for decoration?
Re: Dna samples of world leaders
> Yesterdays briefing on the death of saddams sons-the What is most troubling is that USG assumes (correctly ?) that assassinating relatives of enemies of the state will be welcomed by the public.
Re: Dna samples of world leaders
Right, just because Shrubb-ya and Blair lied to get congress to approve a war on Iraq so he could steal the oil, it doesn't mean that Saddam was a saint and that his human rights violations (read: torture, murder, rape, pillage) could be dismissed, and he didn't deserve to be forced off the throne. The Hussein bunch got what they deserved. Fuck'em. What's disturbing is that "we" put that motherfucker in power, and supplied him with the means to carry out his attrocies against his own people, we fueld the fires of the Iran/Iraq war by feeding both sides with weapons and intel, and so on. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :25Kliters anthrax, 38K liters botulinum toxin, 500 tons of /|\ \|/ :sarin, mustard and VX gas, mobile bio-weapons labs, nukular /\|/\ <--*-->:weapons.. Reasons for war on Iraq - GWB 2003-01-28 speech. \/|\/ /|\ :Found to date: 0. Cost of war: $800,000,000,000 USD.\|/ + v + : The look on Sadam's face - priceless! [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Bill Frantz wrote: > I think the evidence is strong that they were as bad as Sadam. If Sadam > was an "enemy of the state", then they were too. > > I also think that assassinate is the wrong word to use to describe what > happens to someone when an army says, "Come out with your hands up", and > instead they come out shooting.
Re: Dna samples of world leaders
At 1:40 PM -0700 7/23/03, Nomen Nescio wrote: >> Yesterdays briefing on the death of saddams sons-the > >What is most troubling is that USG assumes (correctly ?) that >assassinating relatives of enemies of the state will be welcomed >by the public. I think the evidence is strong that they were as bad as Sadam. If Sadam was an "enemy of the state", then they were too. I also think that assassinate is the wrong word to use to describe what happens to someone when an army says, "Come out with your hands up", and instead they come out shooting. Cheers - Bill - Bill Frantz | "A Jobless Recovery is | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | like a Breadless Sand- | 16345 Englewood Ave. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wich." -- Steve Schear | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA
Re: Dna samples of world leaders
At 11:56 PM 7/22/03 -0700, Sarad AV wrote: >Yesterdays briefing on the death of saddams sons-the >bodies were said to be send for positive >identification through dna tests.How are these samples >obtained anyway?Royal Saloons,Royal Doctors,Visits to >the US during peace times?What more effecient methods >are used? > >Sarath. A guy was busted by using DNA from an envelope he licked in response to a "sting" letter from the police (but not appearing so). A guy was caught because his *son's* DNA was on file. Go dump-diving in places where his trash is dumped. And at his relatives houses. Befriend/employ someone where he/they get their bloodwork done. Cleaning people who dust where he sits. His barber. His launderer. Wonder how they got their dentalcharts. They'll have to show us the beef if they want to be believed. Of course, Bush and Rummy holding their heads on sticks will have to be edited from US markets... The first rule of missile fighting: the one who brings the full-auto rifle loses.
Re: Dna samples of world leaders
Bah! Saddam has become the new Eric Goldstien since Osama Bin Ladin is quieter. Perhaps the CIA's voice lab is better at cloning his voice? hence the poor quality audio tapes? I wonder how hard it is to capture a person's phoenems and feed it to a good quality speech synth? I wonder if recording it on a cheap tape with a microphone will remove all traces of it being fake. The hard part will of course be getting the inflections right. Perhaps if you tie a speech recognition system with a speech synth, the recognition system might be able to detect inflection, tone, and rate, and provide hints to the synth? Wouldn't even have to work in real time. Hey, if they were willing to push Hans Blix around until he called the bastards and reported all the pressure to "find something" and offed David Kelley, why not something like a Saddam Vactor? I'm sure they could even sprinkle the old DNA samples around some shack in the woods of Iran or Saudi Arabia or something, along with some uranium or anthrax samples and aluminu cylinders, as proof that they were harboring him as a prelude to another invasion. Why the fuck not? 50 states isn't enough, and North America's getting too crowded, let's take over the entire Middle East... After that, let's take over France too and make them say "EMAIL" and eat only McDonalds' cheeseburgers and drink only Budwiser. But that can wait until after we mine all of Liberia's diamonds... hey we can't afford another war just yet, need to make money first... The sky's the limit, just vote for Bush again, and after him Condoleeza Rice can be our first female president with Ashcroft as VP. We can be very politically correct that way. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :25Kliters anthrax, 38K liters botulinum toxin, 500 tons of /|\ \|/ :sarin, mustard and VX gas, mobile bio-weapons labs, nukular /\|/\ <--*-->:weapons.. Reasons for war on Iraq - GWB 2003-01-28 speech. \/|\/ /|\ :Found to date: 0. Cost of war: $800,000,000,000 USD.\|/ + v + : The look on Sadam's face - priceless! [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Tim May wrote: > Hair samples, dandruff, etc. A bunch of reports over the past several > months that the houses and villas of Hussein and his family had been > gone over carefully for traces of hair, old shaving razors, skin > particles, etc. > > Even if doctors and such have not been bribed or coerced into providing > blood samples, lots of ways to track DNA. All a matter of economics, as > usual. > > --Tim May
Re: Dna samples of world leaders
On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 11:56 PM, Sarad AV wrote: hi, Yesterdays briefing on the death of saddams sons-the bodies were said to be send for positive identification through dna tests.How are these samples obtained anyway?Royal Saloons,Royal Doctors,Visits to the US during peace times?What more effecient methods are used? Hair samples, dandruff, etc. A bunch of reports over the past several months that the houses and villas of Hussein and his family had been gone over carefully for traces of hair, old shaving razors, skin particles, etc. Even if doctors and such have not been bribed or coerced into providing blood samples, lots of ways to track DNA. All a matter of economics, as usual. --Tim May
Re: Dna samples of world leaders
On Wednesday 23 July 2003 02:56, Sarad AV wrote: > Yesterdays briefing on the death of saddams sons-the > bodies were said to be send for positive > identification through dna tests.How are these samples > obtained anyway?Royal Saloons,Royal Doctors,Visits to > the US during peace times?What more effecient methods > are used? Samples from known relatives, I'd guess, along with any other means that comes to hand. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel "If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all!" -- Rep. Henry Waxman
