Re: GA-CAT-CA
Steven Furlong wrote: US. We have the 2nd Amendment, which keeps some of the police state behavior at bay. I can't think, offhand, of any provision in the US Constitution which would prevent City Hall from mandating a hair sample from every pet. As Tim pointed out, they're not trying to force every cat herder to provide a sample of cat hairs. They're trying to get a reasonably broad spectrum of cat fur samples (about 1600), so they can find the genetic differences between them, which will make it easier to use cat hair as evidence, or at least easier to tell whether it's usable. It may be that they'll find that it's easy to tell that there's a 90% or 99% or 99.99% chance that the cat hair found on the suspect was from the victim's cat Snowball as opposed to the suspect's cat Mehitabel, or it may be they'll find that one white cat hair looks about like another. Most cats have multiple colors of hair, so color alone isn't always indicative, though I can usually tell which cat the cat hairs on my computer keyboard are from. As far as mandating hair samples goes, not that they're doing that, if they can require you to get a license to possess a dog, they could include hair samples as part of the process; they could also require licenses for cats. Actual genetic testing of millions of cat hair samples would be prohibitively expensive, but storing samples for analyzing if there's a specific need for it wouldn't be as difficult. But it's still a big expense and hassle, and it'd be much simpler to get a warrant and collect samples from the victims' and suspects' houses or cats when needed. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
Can we PLEASE discuss free speech instead of content?
On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 01:52:54AM -0400, Jodi Hoffman wrote: And more from this "only TEENAGERS and adults" website... MASSIVE SNIP Ms. Hoffman, please stop posting this crap to the Cypherpunks list. It won't help. It is damned insulting to everyone here that you seem to expect us to confuse content with context. Although you seem to demand it, and although several people have allowed themselves to get dragged down to that level by your hyperbole and your refusal to talk about anything else, the content of the site is utterly irrelevant to this discussion. Please understand, the content of the site is NOT what the argument is about, and you constantly dragging it back into the discussion is unproductive, not to mention infuriating. The argument is about context -- whether it is tolerable to have laws that constitute prior restraint of speech. It is NOT. The content of the site is utterly irrelevant to this question, and posting chunks of it as though it were is only insulting the other subscribers of this list. Speech MUST remain free, even if the actions it advocates are both odious and illegal. Speech is not action. Suppressing speech on the basis of content, as though it were action, is intolerable. Content is not Context. Bear --- "And even though I say 'Fuck you', enthusiastically enough, it's not as though I ever would, not in a million years... Well, maybe if I was stoned off my ass, but that doesn't count...' Hunter S Thompson
Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
would not affect my position one bit. These people have the right for their information to be put into the public forum. One small correction Kevin, they have the right to put their information into their own public forum. I don't have to allow them to put their information in my newspaper or allow their bits to travel across sections of the Internet that I own. I don't have to make it easy for them to spread their nonsense.
-C-P- Re: would it be so much to ask..
This guy apparantly can't read. He certainly didn't read Choate's reply that there were moderated cp lists, and gave him the url to access them. Nor did he read the other replies telling him to check the archives. And he is totally, absolutely clueless about remailers, confusing them with nym servers. Must be a troll. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS Systems Librarian Arrowhead Library SystemVirginia, MN (218) 741-3840 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://harmon.arrowhead.lib.mn.us
Qualcomm CEO loses laptop
"contained proprietary information that could be valuable to foreign governments." Kinda interesting statement about a telecoms machine. Foreign govts? PC with Corporate Secrets Disappears Qualcomm Chiefs Laptop Taken from Podium Sept. 18, 2000 IRVINE, Calif. (AP) -- The personal portable computer of Qualcomm Inc.s chief executive officer, which apparently contained valuable company secrets, disappeared from a hotel conference room moments after he addressed a national business journalists meeting. Irwin Jacobs left the computer unattended on a podium or an adjoining table in the Hyatt Regency-Irvine ballroom on Saturday for 15-20 minutes when he stepped down to talk to a small group after addressing about 90 members of the Society of American Business Editors and Writers. Proprietary information Jacobs told people at the conference that the IBM laptop, which he had used for a slide show-type presentation focusing on Qualcomms wireless telecommunications technology, contained proprietary information that could be valuable to foreign governments. Qualcomm is a leader in wireless technology -- a boom market of the burgeoning telecommunications revolution -- with $3.9 billion in revenues last year. It designs and produces chips for wireless communications devices and holds hundreds of patents whose royalties provide it with the bulk of its earnings. SABEWs president Byron Calame, deputy managing editor of The Wall Street Journal, expressed sorrow at the event and noted that people with access to the area "included registrants, exhibitors and guests at our conference, hotel staff and perhaps others." Very disturbing "Its very disturbing to him," company spokeswoman Christine Trimble said of the 66-year-old Jacobs, Qualcomms chairman and founder. Jacobs, whose company is based in nearby San Diego, had driven to the conference with his wife and without any security. Trimble would not discuss details of the apparent theft except to confirm that the laptop was used by Jacobs for "business purposes." Company officials would not say whether Jacobs had contacted the FBI. "The FBI was never called that were aware of," said Irvine police desk officer Sgt. Tim Smith. "We took it as a straight laptop theft, which is pretty typical for a hotel." However, several attendees at the SABEW conference said they noticed three unattended laptops shortly after the theft as they passed through an adjoining exhibitors room. "It doesnt seem (Jacobs laptop) would be the obvious choice if the individual was looking for an easy target," noted Shawn Abbott, chief technical officer of computer security company Rainbow Technologies. Just 30 feet away Jacobs and about a half-dozen journalists were no further than 30 feet from his laptop when it disappeared. More than 100 reporters and editors from across the nation attended SABEWs 4th annual technology conference, a two-day event that ended Sunday. Trimble said the laptop, valued at about $4,000, was password protected and the data was backed up on a computer at Qualcomms San Diego headquarters. However, password-protected computers running Windows operating systems, as Jacobs was, can be easily be broken into. The level of security on Jacobs laptop could not be determined. Qualcomm is the worlds leading developer of a technology known as CDMA, which seems to have won the global battle to become the standard technology for making high-speed Internet access available on wireless devices. Wireless technologies Those so-called third-generation wireless technologies are expected to connect the Internet to handhelds and other devices in the next few years -- initially in the Far East and Europe. Those markets are considered to have a potential value in the tens of billions of dollars, as everything from cars to airplanes are equipped with broadband wireless connections. If security on Jacobs laptop was limited only to password protection _ rather than a more advanced encryption scheme -- "its extremely
RIAA seizures
Funny, the article doesnt say how the pirates subverted the encryption in order to make copies. Oh, you dont have to. Listening, Kaplan? RIAA Behind More "CD-Pirate" Busts 09-18-00 GARLAND, TEXAS, U.S.A., 2000 SEP 18 (NB) -- By Steven Bonisteel, Newsbytes. The music industry announced what it called more successful raids on businesses alleged to be counterfeiting music compact discs using personal computers and CD-R technology. The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) said today that it pointed authorities in Texas to two businesses in Garland where CD-R equipment for burning CDs was found along with piles of allegedly completed counterfeits. The RIAA said searches at both locations were executed Sept. 14. A month ago, the RIAA announced similar raids on the home of a New York man and at a residence and a business in Phoenix. In those raids, thousands of apparently copied music CDs were found. This month, the RIAA said, members of the Texas Department of Public Safety, tipped off by the RIAAs anti-piracy unit in Texas, executed a search warrant at Garland retail store Kode Red and seized three CD-R towers containing a total of 12 eight-speed CD-R burners 898 allegedly pirated labels and 373 allegedly pirated CDs. The RIAA said the 12 CD-R burners had the capability to produce up to 720 CD-Rs every eight hours. At that rate, it said, the value of the output would be some $4 million a year. snip http://sg.dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/technology/article.html?s=singapore/headlines/000919/technology/newsbytes/RIAA_Behind_More__CD-Pirate__Busts_09-18-00_.html
Re: Qualcomm CEO loses laptop
At 1:44 PM -0400 9/19/00, A. Melon wrote: "contained proprietary information that could be valuable to foreign governments." Kinda interesting statement about a telecoms machine. Foreign govts? You apparently don't follow the news very closely. Qualcomm is in the midst of negotiations for a next-gen system for China, amongst others. --Tim May -- -:-:-:-:-:-:-: Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
Re: was: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: "Trei, Peter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Imagine if the software business were like this - that the programmers of the late 40's had formed an American Programmers Association, and it was unlawful for anyone without APA certification to write code for money. Some people are trying to do this. See for example http://www.colosseumbuilders.com/american.htm [I especially find the "no foreign competition" (aka "no H1-B") disgusting. Tim May notwithstanding, we DO compete with the americans - and a lot of us are better.] Mark
RE: Qualcomm CEO loses laptop
As with "A. Melon," you apparently don't bother to read the news. true, sadly i'm not as up-to-date as i could be, as i have little free time and (blah blah excuse, blah, yeah, you get the idea) but that's SORTOF one of the reasons i've subscribed to this list (btw, i appoligize to everyone for being less than constructive or conversational in this email) Jacobson was giving a talk, using his laptop for the talk, and stepped away for a few moments to talk to some journalists. i caught this, and i think this is foolish. the "wtf was he doing that" thing was sortof a figure of speech, sorry. One can learn from his mistake, but the thrust of your comments, "walking around with secrets of that severity..." is way off-base. one can learn from ones mistakes indeed (his or mine??), however wether or not my statement is "off-base" is debatable... and though i guess the importance of the secrets is as well. so is the guy out "trade secrets" (and what not) or is he just out a nice little laptop? so with that in mind i came to the conclusion that they felt that they suffered a larger loss than 4000$ (i don't really know the price of the laptop)... simply put, i guess, if i had trade secrets that could potentialy cause as much damage to worry people like that , i wouldn't leave it alone, not for 15-20, not for 5, and not to talk to some journalists. honestly, though, i'm not really one to judge, as i've never been in his position before. (though i still maintain his action foolish, much as you probably view my emails now ! :) )and i'll try and hold back the urge to join in conversation and add opinion and potential new views on various situations that arise on this list. perhaps i'll learn more about that way. -Original Message- X-Loop: openpgp.net From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim May Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 2:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Qualcomm CEO loses laptop At 2:09 PM -0400 9/19/00, Templeton, Stuart wrote: wtf was the "Qualcomm Chief" doing walking around with secrets of that severity, much less on a laptop, on a podium in a HOTEL CONFERENCE ROOM ?? As with "A. Melon," you apparently don't bother to read the news. Jacobson was giving a talk, using his laptop for the talk, and stepped away for a few moments to talk to some journalists. One can learn from his mistake, but the thrust of your comments, "walking around with secrets of that severity..." is way off-base. Folks, if you don't read the news, or watch it on CNN and CNBC and the like, please don't feel compelled to add foolish remarks. --Tim May -- -:-:-:-:-:-:-: Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
At 11:59 -0400 9/19/00, Matt Elliott wrote: would not affect my position one bit. These people have the right for their information to be put into the public forum. One small correction Kevin, they have the right to put their information into their own public forum. I don't have to allow them to put their information in my newspaper or allow their bits to travel across sections of the Internet that I own. I don't have to make it easy for them to spread their nonsense. Oh yeah, now things get interesting. The issue of allowing such things in your newspaper is a problem you have with your newspaper, not them. If you don't like what your newspaper publishes complain to it, not to NAMBLA. The ISP issue is similar. I don't have a problem with an organization controlling the material it carries, BUT I have a serious problem with organizations- A. Not making the fact they do such things VERY clear in their user agreement, etc. OR B. Changing said agreement depending on which way the wind blows. Their is also a legal issue here that is worth mentioning. An ISP deciding to censor/filter traffic based on content potentially opens that ISP to serious legal risk. As long as an ISP acts as a simple bit shuffler their liability for user activity is tiny. They enjoy the same status as the telephone company (that of a common carrier) and thus have no responsibility for the traffic they carry. The moment the step over that line and begin to monitor said traffic they can no longer claim to be a common carrier. I believe their was an interesting case several years ago where an ISP in the Eastern US was held liable for pornographic material stored on one of there news servers, specifically because they had taken action in the past to remove such material. Regardless however, all such activities to restrict traffic ought to be done by contacting the individuals and/or organizations responsible (either carriers or originators), not by running to big momma government and whining about how such talk disturbs you. Using the government and specifically the judiciary as a big cudgel to beat people who's opinion you disagree with into submission is morally reprehensible. People who abuse government in such a way ought to be shunned with the same venom typically reserved for pedophiles and persons of similar ilk. -- Kevin "The Cubbie" Elliott mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#23758827 ___ "As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be most aware of change in the air--however slight--lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness." -- Justice William O. Douglas
