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Ray Dillinger wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote: >the protection afforded by Black Blocs is quite thin (just indict them under >organized crime or gang laws), > The similar clothing is enough to charge with gang membership and invoke > RICO. Also, the 'black bloc' tactic has 'premeditated' written all over > it. I'd say these kids haven't provided more protection for themselves; > on the contrary, they've raised the stakes. The cops will have to arrest > *more* people in order to deal with the bloc, but the people arrested > when it happens are going to be charged with more serious crimes, like > racketeering, conspiracy, and membership in a corrupt organization, than > if they'd stuck with the simpler tactics. And most of what they might > otherwise have claimed as defenses are going to crumble under that > 'premeditation' thing. That's irrelevant -- the fedz, and even state courts, are already giving the heaviest sentences to protesters of anytime in our history. And you obviousely have never taken part in any street actions. They've got a good idea -- one of the tactics used by cops for quite awhile is to have undercover agents in the crowd who spot the *real* troublemakers, leaders, etc. and then often an "affinity squad" will target that individual. By making it very difficult to differentiate any individuals, that whole cop tactic becomes useless. The other part of the bloc is that by staying together in a tight group, they can grab arrestees from the cops more easily. We used to have groups of two or three who worked together this way, more is better.
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I turned on a television set last night, for the first time in many months. I was watching videotapes, but I caught fragments of shows while tapes were rewinding, etc. American TV has taken a definite turn for the vicious since I last watched. It's still pablum-and-opiates, but someone has spiked it. We're seeing an increasing focus on elitism, "survival of the fittest", etc -- shows that present the "elimination" of the weak as a virtue, and where game-show hosts masquerading as intellectuals intentionally humiliate contestants. We are seing a separation of moral responsibility from action and being conditioned to accept viciousness in authority figures. We are also being conditioned to accept the idea that some form of pseudo-intellectual "correctness" excuses viciousness. The tone is very similar to "entertainment" or "public education" films that were produced by the propaganda arm of the german National Socialist party in 1936-1938, which I remember from school but which folk in Germany, or those who attend current-day American schools, will not recognize due to censorship. We forget history, believing that this will prevent us from repeating it rather than the other way round The progression was reasonably simple, as I recall. First, the people are conditioned to accept "harsh reality", survival of the fittest, etc. Second, the people are conditioned to accept that, these things being inevitable, hurrying them along is a virtue. Third, some class of people are identified as being "inferior" and pseudoscience upholding the claim is advanced. The shows I saw last night were deep into the second stage, and universal public monitoring is now more pervasive here than it was then and there, and our schools are raising a generation of people who think monitoring and draconian weapons laws are normal, and ideas not "politically correct" are being persecuted as vigorously here as they were in Nazi Germany. The parallels continue... The "new media must be controlled" of that era was radio and television -- now it's the internet. Same basic debates going on -- most of the same outcomes happening. I am scared. Bear
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One odd thing about the Condit affair: the leaks. Oh, the leaks themselves aren't surprising. But are leaks now so ubiquitous that there's no comment at all on them? He's been interviewed three times, and "police sources" kept us informed each time. This time the interview included the FBI, and we promptly got reports that Condit was indeed having an affair. And: he hadn't broken it off when she disappeared. Ain't intense media pressure great? JYA, stay away from the corpse sniffing dogs so they don't get confused. ;-) # Subject: TV as an indicator... # From: Ray Dillinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> # #I turned on a television set last night, for the first time in #many months. I was watching videotapes, but I caught fragments #of shows while tapes were rewinding, etc. # #American TV has taken a definite turn for the vicious since I #last watched. It's still pablum-and-opiates, but someone has #spiked it. Oh, it's always been there. Once again it is that time of year when every sort of news show dumps the latest "running of the bulls" gore story on us. This year an American female got "a foot long gash in her thigh", and we found out bulls can't make a 90 degree turn on wet stones. 7/8/2001 Newt Gingrich on Judith Regan Tonight: When I was a teenager, Isaac Assimov's Foundation series changed my life.
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- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: FC: U.N. security investigating irate email from U.S. gun owners To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:40:12 -0400 X-URL: Politech is at http://www.politechbot.com/ Summary: Fewer than 100 angry email messages from American gun owners led U.N. conference organizers to turn over the correspondence to U.N. internal security forces. The U.N. gun-summit began today, and -- see below -- includes proposals for a global gun database, tracking of firearms, complaints about encryption and so on. What's interesting is that even this limited outcry was enough to prompt U.N. officials to make the appropriate "we're not trying to limit private ownership of guns," apparently backtracking from previous positions. Statement on U.N. meeting from Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms: http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/Current_Releases/0601-139.html To see what kind of reaction the U.N. conference has provoked: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3ae8ec916ace.htm http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2001/SmallArmsConfBrf.doc.htm >He said he had seen some of the nearly 100 letters and e-mails that had >been sent by gun-ownership advocates. They were mainly irate and "strongly >worded" protests, and allegations that the United Nations wanted to take >guns away from civilians in conflict with the constitutional rights of >United States citizens. While he would not characterize any of the letters >as explicitly threatening, they had been turned over to United Nations >security authorities. Mr. Honwana added that it was not for his Department >to determine whether the correspondence was threatening. It was up to the >Organization's security staff to make that determination. http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2001/dc2782.doc.htm >A small arms and light weapons register could be established, adds the >report, at the national level to assist information-gathering and >information-sharing. One option could be to extend this register to the >regional level. While the option of a United Nations register was >discussed, significant opposition continues to exist to a global register >on the basis that it is premature and the provision of such sensitive >information could undermine, not enhance, national security. http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2001/dc2746.doc.htm >On specific points to be included in the recommendations to the >Conference, the representative of Pakistan promoted a proper marking >system for numbering weapons... Some tracking system was in the interest >of both producers and governments, which should keep the information under >their authority at all times. http://www.un.org/Depts/dda/CAB/smallarms/files/2001conf2e.pdf >Furthermore, some of these activities are already >conducted by the brokers or other participants in the >chain of the illicit trade, by using e-commerce channels >and networks. This e-commerce is frequently encoded >or encrypted, thus placing an extra burden on the law >enforcement institutions to detect it. -Declan United Nations opens gun conference The United Nations opens a special session in New York focusing on the international market for small arms. The UN has already angered proponents of freedom with proposals to limit or prohibit private ownership of small arms. (07/09/01) http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,29062,00.html UN investigating email from gun owners as 'threat' The United Nations is investigating whether irate letters and email from American gun enthusiasts protesting an upcoming conference on illicit trade in small arms constitute a security threat. The body has received about 100 complaints from Americans "who erroneously believe the conference seeks to infringe on their right to bear arms," said a U.N. spokesman. (07/05/01) http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAFR56XSOC.html - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. To subscribe, visit http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - - End forwarded message -
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I remember seeing the Nazi agitprop films during anthropology classes in college. I'm not saying that modern TV is particularly splendid. But at the producers are capitalists trying to maximize ratings (and sex and insults may do that), not murderous government officials trying to justify mass extinction. -Declan On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 09:20:32AM -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: > I turned on a television set last night, for the first time in many > months. I was watching videotapes, but I caught fragments of shows > while tapes were rewinding, etc. > > American TV has taken a definite turn for the vicious since I last > watched. It's still pablum-and-opiates, but someone has spiked it. > > We're seeing an increasing focus on elitism, "survival of the fittest", > etc -- shows that present the "elimination" of the weak as a virtue, > and where game-show hosts masquerading as intellectuals intentionally > humiliate contestants. We are seing a separation of moral responsibility > from action and being conditioned to accept viciousness in authority > figures. We are also being conditioned to accept the idea that some > form of pseudo-intellectual "correctness" excuses viciousness. > > The tone is very similar to "entertainment" or "public education" > films that were produced by the propaganda arm of the german National > Socialist party in 1936-1938, which I remember from school but > which folk in Germany, or those who attend current-day American > schools, will not recognize due to censorship. We forget history, > believing that this will prevent us from repeating it rather than > the other way round > > The progression was reasonably simple, as I recall. > > First, the people are conditioned to accept "harsh reality", survival >of the fittest, etc. > Second, the people are conditioned to accept that, these things being >inevitable, hurrying them along is a virtue. > Third, some class of people are identified as being "inferior" and >pseudoscience upholding the claim is advanced. > > The shows I saw last night were deep into the second stage, and > universal public monitoring is now more pervasive here than it was > then and there, and our schools are raising a generation of people > who think monitoring and draconian weapons laws are normal, and > ideas not "politically correct" are being persecuted as vigorously > here as they were in Nazi Germany. > > The parallels continue... The "new media must be controlled" of > that era was radio and television -- now it's the internet. Same > basic debates going on -- most of the same outcomes happening. > > I am scared. > > > Bear
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On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, A. Melon wrote: >They've got a good idea -- one of the tactics used by cops for quite >awhile is to have undercover agents in the crowd who spot the *real* >troublemakers, leaders, etc. and then often an "affinity squad" will >target that individual. By making it very difficult to differentiate any >individuals, that whole cop tactic becomes useless. So there will be joint prosecutions, with each of the Bloc-ers receiving indictments for *all* of the "operations" performed. I also think such aggressive demonstrations will make the police even more trigger-happy than they are now. >The other part of the bloc is that by staying together in a tight group, >they can grab arrestees from the cops more easily. We used to have groups >of two or three who worked together this way, more is better. The only logical conclusion I can see to skirmishes between black-clad anarchists, going on "street operations", and governmental riot control forces, is that the police are eventually given the right to just gun the protestors down, irregardless of whether they have *done* anything. Unless the Bloc actually has enough muscle to overthrow something before then, which I highly doubt, their raising the stakes seems fairly unwise. Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], gsm: +358-50-5756111 student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front
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At 9:20 AM -0700 7/9/01, Ray Dillinger wrote: >I turned on a television set last night, for the first time in many >months. I was watching videotapes, but I caught fragments of shows >while tapes were rewinding, etc. > >American TV has taken a definite turn for the vicious since I last >watched. It's still pablum-and-opiates, but someone has spiked it. > "Let's kick it up a notch!" >We're seeing an increasing focus on elitism, "survival of the fittest", >etc -- shows that present the "elimination" of the weak as a virtue, >and where game-show hosts masquerading as intellectuals intentionally >humiliate contestants. Yes, quite a refreshing trend. >We are seing a separation of moral responsibility >from action and being conditioned to accept viciousness in authority >figures. That British woman who says "You ARE the weakest link. Good-bye!" is not an authority figure by any sense of being a state functionary. People compete in the show, as in all of the other shows you are presumably catching snippets of, on a voluntary basis. (Note: I have never seen an episode of "Survivor," "Boot Camp," or "Weakest Link." I did watch the first episode of "Big Brother" last summer, figuring it might be germane to my interests in privacy and surveillance, but it was too boring to watch for a second hour.) >The tone is very similar to "entertainment" or "public education" >films that were produced by the propaganda arm of the german National >Socialist party in 1936-1938, which I remember from school but >which folk in Germany, or those who attend current-day American >schools, will not recognize due to censorship. We forget history, >believing that this will prevent us from repeating it rather than >the other way round Calling these shows comparable to what the Nazis did is ludicrous. > >The progression was reasonably simple, as I recall. > >First, the people are conditioned to accept "harsh reality", survival >of the fittest, etc. Teaching people this fact might do wonders for getting ten million leeches off the welfare rolls and state subsidy scams, so I applaud it. >Third, some class of people are identified as being "inferior" and >pseudoscience upholding the claim is advanced. The dull are just that, dull. Not pseudoscience, but fact. > >I am scared. > You ARE the weakest link. Good-bye! --Tim May -- Timothy C. May [EMAIL PROTECTED]Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns
Condit's false testimony to cops
Its illegal to lie to cops (though not to be mute to them). Will Condit get busted for lying about bonking his intern or are congresscritters special objects?
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Re: TV as an indicator...
> I remember seeing the Nazi agitprop films during anthropology classes > in college. I'm not saying that modern TV is particularly splendid. > But at the producers are capitalists trying to maximize ratings (and > sex and insults may do that), not murderous government officials > trying to justify mass extinction. > > -Declan > yup, $ not gas, but it is not necessarily wrong to be looking for subtle themes that might inadvertently disclose a deeper illness. > > On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 09:20:32AM -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: > > I turned on a television set last night, for the first time in many > > months. I was watching videotapes, but I caught fragments of shows > > while tapes were rewinding, etc. > > > >[snip] > > > > First, the people are conditioned to accept "harsh reality", survival > >of the fittest, etc. > > Second, the people are conditioned to accept that, these things being > >inevitable, hurrying them along is a virtue. > > Third, some class of people are identified as being "inferior" and > >pseudoscience upholding the claim is advanced. > > > > The shows I saw last night were deep into the second stage, and > > universal public monitoring is now more pervasive here than it was > > then and there, and our schools are raising a generation of people > > who think monitoring and draconian weapons laws are normal, and > > ideas not "politically correct" are being persecuted as vigorously > > here as they were in Nazi Germany. > > > > The parallels continue... The "new media must be controlled" of > > that era was radio and television -- now it's the internet. Same > > basic debates going on -- most of the same outcomes happening. > > > > I am scared. > > > > Bear > > Maybe these things exist as undercurrents in all societies and occasionally they swirl a bit, setting loose a bit of swamp gas. Sometimes the whole pond turns over bringing all sorts of stinking muck to the surface. Maybe it's disturbing to recognize these undercurrents in the smiling, happy place you call home but they've been there all along. Mike
Re: Condit's false testimony to cops
At 4:22 PM -0700 7/9/01, Dynamite Bob wrote: >Its illegal to lie to cops (though not to be mute to them). > It depends on the specific phrasings used. And whether he was under oath (for a "perjury" charge). If the FBI was present, a so-called "1001" violation could have occurred, though it is difficult to prove such lies. >Will Condit get busted for lying about bonking >his intern or are congresscritters special objects? Unlikely, though he may well lose his next election. Clinton lied repeatedly before a grand jury and he skated. If Clinton, er, Condit, killed the slut and dumped her body, he may skate as well. Most bodies buried deep in the woods are never found. I'll bet Clinton now wishes he'd done to Monica what he probably did to a bunch of his other enemies. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May [EMAIL PROTECTED]Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns
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At 02:32 PM 7/9/01 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Wear a secondary shirt color under the first. > Look up the CIA's guide to disguises, somewhere on cryptome.org >Use a 7-Eleven cellphone in a baggie to keep saliva off. > Picture Homer Simpson in black...
Re: Condit's false testimony to cops
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 08:56:12PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Congresscritters and other political vermin are most assuredly "special > objects". Is there *anyone* who has not realized this yet? Right. It was former AG Thornburgh who noted on a talk show yesterday that the cops still hadn't searched the 'critter's home (see mccullagh.org for photos, natch). Standard procedure in any other investigation, he said. -Declan
Re: Condit's false testimony to cops
On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > Congresscritters and other political vermin are most assuredly "special > > objects". Is there *anyone* who has not realized this yet? > > Right. It was former AG Thornburgh who noted on a talk show yesterday > that the cops still hadn't searched the 'critter's home (see mccullagh.org > for photos, natch). Standard procedure in any other investigation, > he said. > > -Declan I'm sure the locals aren't looking forward to pissing off one of their potential "agents of funding" on something as inconsequential as a simple bimbo killing... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
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Sampo Syreeni wrote: > The only logical conclusion I can see to skirmishes between black-clad > anarchists, going on "street operations", and governmental riot control > forces, is that the police are eventually given the right to just gun the > protestors down, irregardless of whether they have *done* anything. Unless > the Bloc actually has enough muscle to overthrow something before then, > which I highly doubt, their raising the stakes seems fairly unwise. Maybe that would be a GoodThing@ -- violence by the government always radicalizes more people, and more people need to become aware that all those cops need killing. And things won't change until enough people are willing to pick up a gun.
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FACIAL RECOGNITION: On July 5 Sen. Bowen introduced a revised bill removing all provisions to which IBIA objected, most notably the warrant requirement. The IBIA letter contains a discussion of the Katz, Dionisio and Kyllo decisions @ http://www.ibia.org/newslett.htm Arizona also has a CCTV notice-bill: http://www.azleg.state.az.us/legtext/45leg/1r/bills/hb2470p.pdf ~Aimee
Condit's false testimony to cops
On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Dynamite Bob wrote: > Its illegal to lie to cops (though not to be mute to them). > > Will Condit get busted for lying about bonking > his intern or are congresscritters special objects? Congresscritters and other political vermin are most assuredly "special objects". Is there *anyone* who has not realized this yet? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: Condit's false testimony to cops
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 06:37:02PM -0700, Tim May wrote: > It depends on the specific phrasings used. And whether he was under > oath (for a "perjury" charge). If the FBI was present, a so-called > "1001" violation could have occurred, though it is difficult to prove > such lies. Then again, there's always obstruction of justice, a catch-all Bellsian offense. See: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/condit_smith010709.html Feds Explore Condit Obstruction Allegation > If Clinton, er, Condit, killed the slut and dumped her body, he may > skate as well. Most bodies buried deep in the woods are never found. > I'll bet Clinton now wishes he'd done to Monica what he probably did > to a bunch of his other enemies. Heh. If I were especially conspiratorial, I'd mention that White House intern who was murdered at a Georgetown Starbucks. Ah, here's a cite: http://www.copi.com/articles/goddard/murder.html -Declan
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