Re: ID cards+law history
At 08:00 PM 9/23/2001 -0700, citizenQ wrote: The scholarly informed citations are useful and interesting. But haven't we been put on notice that a rebalancing is going to occur, it's a new world and we will use every measure at our disposal to combat terrorism ?? - I fear it is naive to imagine that case law and legal precedent can combat the legislative onslaught to come. Indeed it may have to be fought through the crosshairs...
From Washington Times
WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 (UPI) - U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said Sunday the Bush administration would soon offer proof of Osama bin Laden's alleged involvement in the recent terror attacks on New York and Washington. In the near future, we'll be able to put out on paper a document, that will describe quite clearly the evidence that we have linking him to this attack, Powell told NBC television. Sheesh! It takes them this long to manufacture something this simple? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
TheRegister on anti-crypto/stego-hype in US media; UMich report
The Register (UK) published this snarky article, below, poking fun at recent anti-stego/crypto-hype in the American press in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. USA Toady is either a pretty funny typo, or a pretty funny dis. The article references a CITI/U.Mich. report from 31 August, Detecting Steganographic Content on the Internet -- apologies in advance if the report url (or analysis thereof) was previously posted onlist, I may have missed it. from the UMich report (url below): We have analyzed over two million images downloaded from eBay auctions, and have not been able to find a single hidden message. THE REGISTER - 09.22.01 Research slaps crypto-banning Feds http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/21829.html While America's own fundamentalists - led by US Attorney General John Ashcroft - prepare the most draconian assault on Americans' civil liberties since the second world war, their very own causus beli seems to be vanishing. The enormous increase in surveillance has been justified by claims that terrorists are using cryptography, and in particular steganography: the art of hiding information. USA Toady has run a series of articles on the theme, all predictably quoting 'anonymous' security sources, describing how messages are passed hidden in picture innocuous picture files on sites such as eBay. Or maybe, not so innocuous. The tabloid even managed to score a tasteless bullseye last week with an article that combined pornography, cryptography, terrorism and sport in the same article. For any readers who doubted the message, it was illustrated with a picture of /bin/laden himself. ... Detecting Steganographic Content on the Internet 800K, PDF Center for Information Technology integration University of Michigan http://www.citi.umich.edu/techreports/reports/citi-tr-01-11.pdf
Expectation of privacy in public?
For the lawyers and lawyer larvae out there... In an article in the San Francisco Bay Guardian this week, there is an article about MUNI's policy of making audio recordings of passengers. quote Nathan Ballard of the City Attorney's Office told the Bay Guardian that they were well aware of the policy and approved it. There are no expectations of privacy in public, he said. Ballard asserted that the policy was constitutional and did not fall under any wiretapping laws. When asked if all of the vehicles that employ this surveillance policy post signs to inform passengers that their conversations are being recorded, he said, This policy does not require signs. /quote Frankly, if I'm sitting in the back of an empty bus, talking to the person next to me, it's my opinion that there certainly is a reasonable expection of privacy. Does anyone more qualified than I care to tell me why I'm right or wrong? Legal or not, I'm also curious to see what the EFF has to say about this wonderful incarnation of Big Brother. http://www.sfbg.com/SFLife/35/51/cult.html
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RE: ID cards+law history;
I fear it is naive to imagine that case law and legal precedent can combat the legislative onslaught to come. All bets are definitely off. IANAL, but what seems most relevant to the discussion of national ID cards from the earlier 1983 decision was the court's affirmation that citizens shouldn't be subject to arrest for not displaying ID to law enforcement on demand. As far as I can see, the judgement doesn't restrict whether or not a law enforcement officer can *ask* for ID, just says that a citizen shouldn't be presumed guilty of some crime for not displaying it. During los anos Clinton, there was some talk of implementing a national ID card system as part of his healthcare proposal, if memory serves -- and that idea tanked. Offhand, I'm not aware of other instances in US history when a national ID card system has been proposed + debated in the name of national security... surely this must have come up before at some point... XJ
Re: anonymous digital cash and other (now) iffy stuff
No, it's the lack of a credible threat of such a system being put in place. Once the system is in place it is too late to impliment crypto to recover. There are other similar cause-effect logic errors in your arguments as well. On Sat, 22 Sep 2001, Ryan Lackey wrote: The greatest enemy of secure electronic mail, for instance, being widely deployed is the LACK of widespread monitoring. If every internet connection in the US were monitored actively, and the contents were routinely used in civil and criminal legal actions, technologies like ZKS Freedom, PGP, SSL would be in far wider use than they are now. -- Kill them all, take their land, and go there for vacation. Rage Against The Machine The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
CDR Anonymizer cpunks_anon@einstein.ssz.com ?
The cypherpunks list received yet another copy of the Nigerian Corrupt Official's Bank Account scam spam. No surprise, though lne.com's filters usually block them. The interesting thing was that this claims to be sent by the CDR Anonymizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the first time I've seen spam using an anonymizer - any guesses whether the spammer understands how to use it, or whether they just harvested the address from one of Choate's web pages? I'm assuming it's probably the latter. Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from slack.lne.com (dns.lne.com [209.157.136.81]) by cali-1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9123E645; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 22:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by slack.lne.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f8N2PZ019169 for cypherpunks-goingout; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 19:25:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: slack.lne.com: majordom set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f From: CDR Anonymizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 19:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: REPLY SOON X-Unsubscription-Info: http://einstein.ssz.com/cdr Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients: ; X-UIDL: 1aa6d498a9af55632e0ac9e42a98ee31 FROM: MR PETER .B. BOATENG DEAR SIR [rest of scam spam delete...]
Re: CDR Anonymizer cpunks_anon@einstein.ssz.com ?
on Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 12:23:27AM -0700, Tim May ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Saturday, September 22, 2001, at 11:44 PM, Karsten M. Self wrote: IF you are a United States Citizen or Resident and YOU HAVE SUFFERED A FINANCIAL LOSS write Financial Loss - Contact Me ASAP on the documents you have received and Fax them to the Task Force at 202-406-6930 and give Your telephone number(s). A Secret Service Agent will call you back as soon as possible to discuss the matter with you (don't worry, you're Not in any trouble). Or you can just use the Short Form: I'm a greedy fool ... ...neatly sidestepping the fact that fraud is a crime, stupidity isn't. Relevance, please. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
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Re: FC: Sen. Hollings plans to introduce DMCA sequel: The SSSCA
From: Someone Working to keep our neighbors awake and informed is our best hope, in my view - that is the only way democracy will ever work. Historically this has often failed (e.g., the lack of outcry against Japanese internment camps). Neighboors are willing to sell their liberty and their neighbors at the drop of a hat if someone in government promises them greater security, even though these same liars failed them time and time again. Since the New Deal Americans and corporations have become increasingly reliant on government to provide for them, shield them from their own poor judgement and folly and transfer the responsibility to the rest of us. (Citizens of a like mind should structure upcoming tax filings to deduct Congress' largess to the airlines and others). We cannot depend on these cowards and weaklings. You'll notice that no Declaration of War was formally given. Even so Congress has moved to curtail civil liberties. From my perspective both life and liberty are equally dear. Those that attempt to take either I will treat the same. Its time to water the tree...
Re: CDR Anonymizer cpunks_anon@einstein.ssz.com ?
on Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 08:32:46PM -0700, CDR Anonymizer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The cypherpunks list received yet another copy of the Nigerian Corrupt Official's Bank Account scam spam. No surprise, though lne.com's filters usually block them. The interesting thing was that this claims to be sent by the CDR Anonymizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] FYI, info on the scam. This is the tenth instance I've seen this year. Please feel free to distribute the following if you encounter the scam on other NGs or mailing lists. I've compiled a set of rants (frequently repeated essays/posts) at http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Download/rant-o-matic.tar.gz This is an example of the Nigerian Scam, also called 419 Letters, or just plain 419. Most 419 letters and emails originate from or are traceable back to Nigeria. However, some originate from other nations, mostly also West African nations such as Ghana, Togo, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Ivory Coast ( Cote D'Ivoire ) etc. It's the current wrinkle of a decades-old scam that nets tens of millions of dollars per year, and may be the third largest industry in Nigeria. The 419 Coalition believes that it is the elites from which successive governments of Nigeria have been drawn who are the scammers. Expect little cooperation from Nigerian authorities. Information in this notice is compiled from various sources, links below. Keep reading for reporting information. The Scam operates as follows: the target receives an unsolicited fax, email, or letter concerning Nigeria containing either a money laundering or other illegal proposal OR you may receive a Legal and Legitimate business proposal by normal means. Invariably, the proposition involves resources which are somehow locked up: oil or other invoice problems, a bequest, money cleaning, or misallocated funds. At some point, the victim is asked to pay up front an Advance Fee of some sort. If the victim pays the Fee, there are many Complications which require still more advance payments until the victim either quits, runs out of money, or both. To report the scam: If you are a United States Citizen or Resident and have suffered NO Financial Loss, write No Financial Loss - For Your Database on the documents you received and Fax them to the US Secret Service Task Force handling Scam matters at 202-406-6930. Documents may be emailed to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject: No Loss -- 419 Scam IF you are a United States Citizen or Resident and YOU HAVE SUFFERED A FINANCIAL LOSS write Financial Loss - Contact Me ASAP on the documents you have received and Fax them to the Task Force at 202-406-6930 and give Your telephone number(s). A Secret Service Agent will call you back as soon as possible to discuss the matter with you (don't worry, you're Not in any trouble). (Above from http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/index.htm) Other countries have their own reporting methods, see above for more info. Additional information: Google search: http://www.google.com/search?q=nigeria+scam Federal Republic of Nigeria, Embassy: http://www.embassy.org/embassies/ng.html Sierra Leone: Nigerian 419 Scam: http://www.sierra-leone.org/scams.html Sample letters are archives as no's 01 - 33: http://www.sierra-leone.org/scam01.html - http://www.sierra-leone.org/scam33.html Nigeria Scam Letter Archive http://www.scamorama.com/ Nigeria - The 419 Coalition Website http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/index.htm U.S. Postal Authorities crack down on Nigerian Spam http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/pressrel.htm Nigeria - The 419 Coalition Website http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/index.htm Urban Legends: Nigerian Scam http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/scams/nigeria.htm Salon: I crave your distinguished indulgence (and all your cash) http://www.salon.com/people/feature/2001/08/07/419scams/print.html Nigerian 419 Scam Game Over! http://home.pacbell.net/jpaladin/ Book describes how the scam plays out. Thank you. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
IP: Do read -- EFF statement on opposition to MATA/ATA (fwd)
-- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204/;leitl/a __ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 06:25:50 -0400 From: David Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IP: Do read -- EFF statement on opposition to MATA/ATA EFF members have asked why we have objected to some of the proposed changes to wiretapping and other laws made in the aftermath of the recent terrorist attacks on the U.S. We do not raise these objections lightly, not are they light objections. We fully support legitimate government efforts to bring the perpetrators of these attacks to justice. Yet as a watchdog for civil liberties, we are skeptical of claims that the only way we can increase our security is by giving up our freedoms. And a close look at the specific measures proposed shows several areas that should concern all Americans. First, these bills are not being carefully reviewed, or even reviewed at all, by our lawmakers. SA 1562 was introduced late at night and voted on within a half hour, with several senators complaining that they had not been given the chance to read it. Similarly, both MATA and its later incarnation, ATA, are long and complex bills, making changes throughout our legal structure. Yet the Attorney General has asked for them to be voted into law within a week. This complete dismissal of the normal processes for legislation should alarm anyone who believes in democratic government. Second, these changes are permanent. EFF shares the desire to move quickly now in order to better track the perpetrators of this shocking attack. But none of the legislative changes that have been proposed so far is temporary -- these are broad ranging, permanent reductions in civil liberties and privacy of all Americans. History has shown that such laws, passed in haste during a time of crisis, linger and cause difficulties long after the crisis has passed. Third, these proposed laws include provisions that appear to have nothing to do with fighting terrorism, such as allowing wiretaps based upon allegations of defacing a web site. If it is the case that low-level computer defacement is a problem that relates to terrorism, we encourage law enforcement to explain the connection. Instead, it seems that several of the most worrisome provisions of the proposed laws are part of a general law enforcement wish list rather than a specific response to terrorism. Finally, changes in surveillance authority are suggested without any showing that the current requirements for FISA, Title III and pen/trap surveillance posed a barrier to the investigation of the attacks. We have been told that FISA warrants were issued and served on major ISPs within hours of the terrorist attacks last week. There have been no reports that the minimal processes required for these warrants have hampered the investigations. The EFF does not categorically oppose all changes in our laws or regulations in response to the attack. But responses that are unrelated to increasing our security or that change parts of the laws that are not a barrier to preventing of terrorism are not only bad policy, they run the risk of lulling us into believing that we are more safe than we actually are. The EFF does not claim to be experts in anti-terrorism measures. We are experts in civil liberties and privacy, however, and believe that any lessening of those rights must be carefully debated and adequately justified. The U.S. legal system has been based upon the basic precept that American citizens should not be subject to surveillance unless there has been a showing that he or she may have committed a serious offense. Maybe we now wish abandon that precept. Maybe we now wish to live in a world where who we e-mail and where we travel on the Internet is routinely monitored by centralized government authorities. We at the EFF do not believe so. But at a minimum, such changes must be subjected to informed public debate. On September 11, President Bush said that freedom itself had been attacked. In our response to that horrible act, the understandable desire to prevent future attacks should not lead us to do further, permanent damage that same freedom. For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/
Re: Preparedness
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Tim wrote: This confusion and chaos was pretty much anticipated by Y2K worriers: had anything disrupted transport or communications, D.C. looked to be in bad shape. (I recall comparisons made to Montgomery County, which had some problems with emergency systems, but seemed much better prepared. Not just by Y2K worriers, it was also anticipated in the late 60s by analysts exploring the possible use of EMP effects as an effective and non-violent strategic weapon. Here's a great quote: Targeting only the technology is an interesting concept but who the hell is going to pay you to research it? The Pentagon knows that without just its phone system it would be the ultimate Chinese fire drill. They're not about to offer prizes for the ten easiest ways to destroy the systems they too need to survive. These things get around -- Herman Kahn Rather prophetic, I think. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Hush 2.0 wl8EARECAB8FAjutC3QYHGF1dG8zMDEwOTRAaHVzaG1haWwuY29tAAoJEKadvsVlUK4P 3fAAoLL38Nz35D/4d5GA6WAG858f3zyQAKCAWPaedaNJ5rnGVd3YFQEb+e3mBA== =f4JZ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Larry Ellison volunteers to donate the S/W for Nat. ID Cards
In the SJ Mercury News this morning: Ellison, (who doesn't think that laws pertaining to other people pertain to him, evidenced by his refusal to obey flight curfew laws regulating takeoffs and landings at SJ Airport) volunteers to donate all the Oracle-ware necessary to deploy National ID cards. For this act of patriotism he naturally gets lots of column inches of aggrandizement. He is quoted in the article as suggesting a card that stores your fingerprint, allowing authentication by a fingreprint reader. 'We're quite willing to provide the software for this absolutely free.' But Ellison said in the electronic age little privacy is left anyway ... 'This privacy you're concerned about is largely an illusion,' he said. 'All you have to give up is your illusions, not any of your privacy.' Howard Gantman, a spokesman for Sen. Diane Feinstein, D-Calif, said that she would be interested in discussing the idea with Ellison. Fuckwits. I'm concerned the possibility of Nat ID cards is a more virulent threat than wiretapping and crypto restrictions. May I see your papers please?
Re: Larry Ellison, Nazi Collaborator: Oracle for Natl ID
A system like this would certainly make sure that if you walk into an airport, and say that you're Larry Ellison, and want to take off in your private jet during evening quiet hours, or your flight plan says you'll arrive at your destination during that airport's evening quiet hours, the airport won't unlock the big orange boot on your jet's tires. Otherwise, it won't stop any terrorists from renting jets. In our next edition, we'll explore the applications of national ID cards into where you can sail and dock large boats... At 12:34 PM 09/23/2001 -0700, Subcommander Bob wrote: http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/ellsn092301.htm Idea driven by security concerns BY PAUL ROGERS AND ELISE ACKERMAN Mercury News ``We need a database behind that, so when you're walking into an airport and you say that you are Larry Ellison, you take that card and put it in a reader and you put your thumb down and that system confirms that this is Larry Ellison,'' he said.
Re: Rumsfelt vs. bin Laden
On Sunday, September 23, 2001, at 01:08 PM, An Metet wrote: Looking at the pictures of Rumdumb and Osama side by side on the CNN page today, I was struck by the undeniable fact that Osama was a whole lot more appealing. Likewise when I see him next to Dubbya. And I have no interest in Islam or the radical Muslim cause. Well, the Cypherpunks and Hacker community have long attracted queers like you. (At the Hackers Conference, I sometimes think I'm in a convention of freaks. Cross-dressers, gender-change bizarroids, polyamory nerds, the whole she-bang. One reason I haven't been in several years.) --Tim May
Barcodes, DNA, and you.
Dear Diane Larry: I thought you'd be interested in this company, who perhaps could donate the technology to complete the tasklist for tagging the citzenry. --- AgInfoLink utilises leading data tracking and transfer technology to record, analyse, report and deliver information. These technologies make the process of data collection easier, faster and more accurate than ever, allowing high-speed and real-time capture of accurate data, and on-time transfer of information among individuals or networks. Radio Frequency Identification Device (RFID) A Radio Frequency Identifcation Device (RFID) is a device used for electronic identification. An RFID ear tag can be applied to an animal's ear in the same way as a visual ID tag. The RFID contains a microchip with a unique identification number and specialized micro-electronic circuitry (a transponder) for communicating this unique number to an RFID reader. The RFID is called a passive communication device because it does not contain a battery. Rather, it uses electromagnetic energy received from the RFID reader to power the transponder and send a radio signal containing the unique identification number back to the reader. This number can then be fed directly to a computer for recording. RFID technology works in dirty, dusty and moist environments and does not require a direct line-of-sight to work. This means the technology works exceptionally well in livestock and carcase processing environments. Barcodes Barcodes are used extensively in many applications around the world, including on tags and labels. Barcoded eartags are available for individual animal identification. Information is stored in the barcode by making parallel lines with certain thickness and gaps. When a barcode is scanned using a barcode reader, the reader decodes the barcode to reveal it's unique identifying number. The barcode scanner can be linked to a to a computer to record these unique numbers. Genetic (DNA) Traceback Every animal has a unique genetic makeup (it's DNA). Genetic testing to determine an animal's unique DNA profile can be used to trace the identity of meat products back to individual animals for source verification and quality assurance. DNA diagnostics can also be used to determine the parentage of animals to allow sire or pedigree testing and for the selection of livestock with desirable traits. Via strategic partnership, AgInfoLink can offer our clients a number of DNA based processes and services. These products include Gene Marker Technology, for carcase and meat quality, plus DNA services fingerprinting for parentage and traceback. An important part of these service includes DNA sample gathering and storage labels, for both meat/blood samples and for hair samples, plus services to store and analyse these samples. Example 1 Bull Selection. For cattle producers, selection of bulls is critical to introducing or modifying specific traits of progeny. It is not usually achievable to directly link performance of progeny animals and carcases to bulls because of multiple sire mating. Not all performance characteristics of stock and carcases can be attributed to genetics, however, genetics do play a major factor. If producers can be presented data that highlights animals as being exceptionally good or poor performers, it would be very beneficial to be able to know what bulls could belinked, thus enabling replacement bulls to be selected that mirror the bulls linked to exceptionally good progeny. Bulls linked to poor performing progeny would be culled. To achieve the outcome of objectively based bull selection, AgInfoLink offers producers DNA sampling and Storage tools to gather DNA from Bulls at a property level and to gather DNA from progeny at a carcase level. AgInfoLink systems can be used to gather and store! live animal data and carcase data, plus, link the DNA sample numbers for live animals and carcases to eartag numbers carcase ticket numbers. Using AgInfoLink's reporting tools, key performance data can be reported to show exceptional animals (good or bad) and list their DNA sample numbers. Producers can identify progeny of interest. Using the DNA sample numbers stored in the AgInfoLink system, a DNA parentage test can then be undertaken DNA from carcases is then linked to bulls.
TIME.com: Nation -- TIME Exclusive: Cropduster Manual Discovered in Suspected Terrorist Hideout
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Re: FUCK ORACLE,FUCK LARRY ELLISON
Yeah, but will you divest?
UK lameness, with apologies to Brown, Trei, etc.
[On MI6 deep cover agents] They are the closest thing the intelligence services have to James Bond. They are even licensed to kill but only in self-defence. http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/4326959 [ LOL. Here in the states, we don't need a *license* to kill in self defense. You don't ask permission for something that is your birthright. ] A MASSIVE 85 per cent of British people want identity cards introduced in the wake of the terrorist attacks on the United States, it was revealed yesterday. http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/4326804 [ How about ear-tags? There must be plenty left over from the UK livestock industry... ] [ Yes I know, the US will be there in a decade or two... ]
Larry Ellison, Nazi Collaborator: Oracle for Natl ID
http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/ellsn092301.htm Idea driven by security concerns BY PAUL ROGERS AND ELISE ACKERMAN Mercury News Broaching a controversial subject that has gained visibility since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, Oracle Chairman and CEO Larry Ellison is calling for the United States to create a national identification card system -- and offering to donate the software to make it possible. Under Ellison's proposal, millions of Americans would be fingerprinted and the information would be placed on a database used by airport security officials to verify identities of travelers at airplane gates. ``We need a national ID card with our photograph and thumbprint digitized and embedded in the ID card,'' Ellison said in an interview Friday night on the evening news of KPIX-TV in San Francisco. ``We need a database behind that, so when you're walking into an airport and you say that you are Larry Ellison, you take that card and put it in a reader and you put your thumb down and that system confirms that this is Larry Ellison,'' he said. `Absolutely free' Ellison's company, Oracle, based in Redwood Shores, is the world's leading maker of database software. Ellison, worth $15 billion, is among the world's richest people. ``We're quite willing to provide the software for this absolutely free,'' he said. Calls for national ID cards traditionally have been met with fierce resistance from civil liberties groups, who say the cards would intrude on the privacy of Americans and allow the government to track people's movements. But Ellison said in the electronic age, little privacy is left anyway. ``Well, this privacy you're concerned about is largely an illusion,'' he said. ``All you have to give up is your illusions, not any of your privacy. Right now, you can go onto the Internet and get a credit report about your neighbor and find out where your neighbor works, how much they earn and if they had a late mortgage payment and tons of other information.'' Attempts by the Mercury News to reach Ellison for further comment Saturday were unsuccessful. Many questions about the proposal remain unanswered, such as whether foreign nationals would be required to have a card to enter the country. The hijackers in the Sept. 11 attacks are not believed to have been U.S. citizens. In the TV interview with anchorman Hank Plante, Ellison said shoppers have to disclose more information at malls to buy a watch than they do to get on an airplane. ``Let me ask you. There are two different airlines. Airline A says before you board that airplane you prove you are who you say you are. Airline B, no problem. Anyone who wants the price of a ticket, they can go on that airline. Which airplane do you get on?'' Oracle has a longstanding relationship with the federal government. Indeed, the CIA was Ellison's first customer, and the company's name stems from a CIA-funded project launched in the mid-1970s that sought better ways of storing and retrieving digital data. Civil libertarians said caution is needed. ``It strikes me as a form of overreaction to the events that we have experienced,'' said Robert Post, a constitutional law professor at the University of California-Berkeley. ``If we allow a terrorist attack to destroy forms of freedom that we have enjoyed, we will have given the victory to them. This kind of recommendation does just that.'' Post said while such a system may catch some criminals, it could be hacked or faked or evaded by capable terrorists. Nor is it clear that such a system would have foiled the Sept. 11 attacks, he said. Strong support But polls last week show many Americans support a national ID card. In a survey released Wednesday by the Pew Research Center for the People the Press, seven of 10 Americans favored a requirement that citizens carry a national identity card at all times to show to a police officer upon request. The proposal had particularly strong support from women. There was less support for government monitoring of telephone calls, e-mails and credit card purchases. The FBI
Re: Op-ed on encryption: Privacy is no longer an argument
At 03:10 PM 09/23/2001 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Bill Stewart wrote: It is bait and switch, but the argument is that if the cops have keys to the house of the guy who drove the car into yours, they can go see if he's got any co-conspirators and arrest them, so the risk of getting caught is a deterrent to wouldbe co-conspirators in future wouldbe crimes, and meanwhile it lets the cops look good by catching the guys who helped do it. I think driving through my house qualifies as 'probable cause' to search his house IF there is evidence or a clear line of reasoning that it couldn't be done alone... Well, of course. But the analogy here was comparing house keys to crypto, which, unlike houses, can only be opened and searched if the cops have access to the keys, or if somebody left the back door open or used weak enough crypto for brute force to let them break in.
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Re: FUCK ORACLE,FUCK LARRY ELLISON
On Sunday, September 23, 2001, at 03:40 PM, An Metet wrote: Yeah, but will you divest? Yes. --Tim May
FUCK ORACLE, FUCK LARRY ELLISON
On Sunday, September 23, 2001, at 12:31 PM, Bill Stewart wrote: Was that Saturday's paper, or Sunday's? What page? It's not in the on-line. Anybody want to start boycott-oracle.org? :-) As the D.C. types would say, that has no traction. Interesting that the cyberliberties crowd was so eager to launch a Boycott Adobe campaign because of their sin that they attempted to defend their property rights, but no one is launching a Boycott Oracle campaign over Larry Ellison's fascist support for mandatory citiizen-unit ID cards. As an Oracle investor for many years, I am ashamed that the President and CEO of a company I have long-owned is adopting the fascist and statist policies reminiscent of Nazi Germany. Ellison wishes Oracle to play the role of Krupp. Ve vill volunteer our software, ja, in ze struggle. I would say he needs censored, and soon, but that might get me in trouble with the Securitat. So I'll leave it this way: FUCK ORACLE. FUCK LARRY ELLISON. Someday I will piss on his shallow grave. --Tim May
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Re: FUCK ORACLE, FUCK LARRY ELLISON
At 01:32 PM 09/23/2001 -0700, Tim May wrote: On Sunday, September 23, 2001, at 12:31 PM, Bill Stewart wrote: Was that Saturday's paper, or Sunday's? What page? It's not in the on-line. Anybody want to start boycott-oracle.org? :-) As the D.C. types would say, that has no traction. Interesting that the cyberliberties crowd was so eager to launch a Boycott Adobe campaign because of their sin that they attempted to defend their property rights, but no one is launching a Boycott Oracle campaign over Larry Ellison's fascist support for mandatory citiizen-unit ID cards. Hey, it's today's newspaper, some of the cyberliberties crowd haven't even gotten up for the morning yet...
419 letter (was Re: CDR Anonymizer cpunks_anon@einstein.ssz.com ?)
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Re: 419 letter (was Re: CDR Anonymizer cpunks_anon@einstein.ssz.com ?)
On Sunday, September 23, 2001, at 04:25 PM, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 07:35:58AM -0400, Steve Furlong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Karsten M. Self wrote: ...neatly sidestepping the fact that fraud is a crime, stupidity isn't. Stupidity _is_ a natural crime. Mommy states have attempted to repeal that law, but succeed mainly in redirecting the costs of stupidity from the stupid to society as a whole. Oh. So it *is* legitmate to swindle senile dowagers of their investments? We didn't say it was legitimate...we said it is part of the natural trend of stupidity. A senile dowager who mails some of her money to Nigeria has herself to blame. If you advocate using taxpayer-funded Americans to go to Nigeria or Sierra Leone to save her from her stupidity, then you are preterite. --Tim May
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Re: FUCK ORACLE, FUCK LARRY ELLISON
On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Tim May wrote: Interesting that the cyberliberties crowd was so eager to launch a Boycott Adobe campaign because of their sin that they attempted to defend their property rights, but no one is launching a Boycott Oracle campaign over Larry Ellison's fascist support for mandatory citiizen-unit ID cards. First, let me say I too find Larry Ellison's comments extremely displeasing. This is in no way intended to imply otherwise. Tim, are you defending Adobe in that paragraph above? (I can't imagine that you would be, so I'm interested to hear such an argument, if that's the case.) If the EFF does not demand a retraction, nay, an abject apology, from Larry Ellison and Oracle, then I will work to undermine the EFF in any way I can. If I recall, boycottadobe.com happened two or three days after news of Abobe's actions became public. The EFF's response came even later. I wouldn't expect to see anything from the EFF about this the same day it becomes news, especially on a weekend. If we hear nothing from the EFF in the next week, that will certainly be cause for criticism of the organization. Someday I will piss on his shallow grave. Amen. -MW-
Re: FUCK ORACLE, FUCK LARRY ELLISON
On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Tim May wrote: Interesting that the cyberliberties crowd was so eager to launch a Boycott Adobe campaign because of their sin that they attempted to defend their property rights, but no one is launching a Boycott Oracle campaign over Larry Ellison's fascist support for mandatory citiizen-unit ID cards. First, let me say I too find Larry Ellison's comments extremely displeasing. This is in no way intended to imply otherwise. Tim, are you defending Adobe in that paragraph above? (I can't imagine that you would be, so I'm interested to hear such an argument, if that's the case.) If the EFF does not demand a retraction, nay, an abject apology, from Larry Ellison and Oracle, then I will work to undermine the EFF in any way I can. If I recall, boycottadobe.com happened two or three days after news of Abobe's actions became public. The EFF's response came even later. I wouldn't expect to see anything from the EFF about this the same day it becomes news, especially on a weekend. If we hear nothing from the EFF in the next week, that will certainly be cause for criticism of the organization. Someday I will piss on his shallow grave. Amen. -MW-
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Re: What might have happened on Sept. 11...
At 09:15 PM 9/22/01 +0100, Zombywuf wrote: Fuck it, why not make everyone carry explosives so they can blow themselves and everyone in the vicinity away if there's a crime going on nearby. Congratulations, you just discovered the Range Safety Officer who gets to press the button when a rocket goes astray. Problem with putting this on a plane (I realize this is not what you proposed tongue-in-cheek or not) include * malicious spoofing of the destruct signal by folks on the ground * jamming the destruct signal so you get to keep flying the cruise missile * real, but unnecessary, FAA/NORAD destruct signals, e.g., machine or personnel failure (Shades of giving cops the ability to stall a car to prevent chases..)
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Re: CDR Anonymizer cpunks_anon@einstein.ssz.com ?
On Sunday, September 23, 2001, at 01:35 AM, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 12:23:27AM -0700, Tim May ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Saturday, September 22, 2001, at 11:44 PM, Karsten M. Self wrote: IF you are a United States Citizen or Resident and YOU HAVE SUFFERED A FINANCIAL LOSS write Financial Loss - Contact Me ASAP on the documents you have received and Fax them to the Task Force at 202-406-6930 and give Your telephone number(s). A Secret Service Agent will call you back as soon as possible to discuss the matter with you (don't worry, you're Not in any trouble). Or you can just use the Short Form: I'm a greedy fool ... ...neatly sidestepping the fact that fraud is a crime, stupidity isn't. Relevance, please. Relevance? 1. Nigeria and Sierra Leone are in other nations, beyond the jurisdiction of U.S. laws. If gullible Americans send money to the Minister of Oil Development in Nigeria, hoping to win the stupidity lottery, this is beyond the reach of U.S. law. 2. Look into polycentric, or market-centered, law. Those of us who are not as stupid as the gullible Americans caught up in these Nigerian scams don't wish our tax monies going to save the stupid from themselves. 3. Relevance to this list? Why talks about government enforcement on _this_ list in the first place/ --Tim May
Re: CDR Anonymizer cpunks_anon@einstein.ssz.com ?
On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Tim May wrote: Relevance? 1. Nigeria and Sierra Leone are in other nations, beyond the jurisdiction of U.S. laws. If gullible Americans send money to the Minister of Oil Development in Nigeria, hoping to win the stupidity lottery, this is beyond the reach of U.S. law. Not if they do it FROM the US, refer to the constitution as to who in this country has the authority to define and regulate inter-national behaviour. 3. Relevance to this list? Why talks about government enforcement on _this_ list in the first place/ You mean Who talks about ... -- Kill them all, take their land, and go there for vacation. Rage Against The Machine The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
RE: Re: Cooksey: Expect racial profiling
Check out: http://www.evote.com/wiwo (yes, that's Cooksey, and yes that's what you think it is on his head nice bit of Photoshopping) It looks like Cooksey's remark hasn't exactly gone unnoticed by the mainstream press :) Rick WASHINGTON U.S. Rep. John Cooksey, R-Monroe, told a network of Louisiana radio stations Monday that someone wearing a diaper on his head should expect to be interrogated in the investigation of terrorist attacks on the Pentagon and New York City. and he jingoes on from there. Cooksey doesn't say whether he was including the KKK in the category of people with diapers on their head, or what to do about politicians who need to change their own diapers. He does acknowledge that some turban-wearers are Americans, and some aren't Muslims or Arabs, but he still thinks they need to be pulled over, because bin Laden and many of his followers wear turbans. Bin Laden has also been rumored to wear pants. Cooksey won't be running for House again in 2002 - he's planning to run for Senate instead. I hope the Democrat's better, though this is the part of the country that put out vote for the crook bumper stickers when the crook's opponent was (ostensibly ex-) Klansman David Duke.
Fwd: Re: FC: Sen. Hollings plans to introduce DMCA sequel: The SSSCA
- Forwarded Message - From: Someone Working to keep our neighbors awake and informed is our best hope, in my view - that is the only way democracy will ever work. Historically this has often failed (e.g., the lack of outcry against Japanese internment camps). Neighboors are willing to sell their liberty and their neighbors at the drop of a hat if someone in government promises them greater security, even though these same liars failed them time and time again. Since the New Deal Americans and corporations have become increasingly reliant on government to provide for them, shield them from their own poor judgement and folly and transfer the responsibility to the rest of us. (Citizens of a like mind should structure upcoming tax filings to deduct Congress' largess to the airlines and others). We cannot depend on these cowards and weaklings. You'll notice that no Declaration of War was formally given. Even so Congress has moved to curtail civil liberties. From my perspective both life and liberty are equally dear. Those that attempt to take either I will treat the same. Its time to water the tree...
branding war:pentagon changing operation's codename
winston churchill once said: Operations in which large numbers of men may lose their lives ought not to be described by code words which imply a boastful or overconfident sentiment. GOVERNMENT TRIPPING OVER RELIGIOUS RHETORIC=BY SARAH LUBMAN SJMercury News For the second time in less than a week, the U.S. government had damage control to do because of its religion-infused rhetoric. The Pentagon on Thursday backed away from the code name for its anti-terrorist offensive, ``Operation Infinite Justice,'' for fear of offending Muslims. /.../ Objections to ``Infinite Justice'' came up at a Pentagon briefing on Thursday. A reporter told Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld that several Islamic scholars took issue with the term, saying that infinite justice resides only with God, or Allah. /.../ The American military, following German practice, began naming its military operations during World War II. In 1942, the Joint Chiefs of Staff approved an index of code words that are randomly assigned for each operation. The first word refers to the operation's region -- e.g., ``desert'' for the Middle East -- and the second often connotes some kind of resolve. Winston Churchill was fascinated with code names and had his own thoughts on the matter, according to a 1995 article on the history of naming operations in Parameters, a U.S. Army War College quarterly. Churchill instructed that operation names shouldn't be silly: They should not ``enable some widow or mother to say that her son was killed in an operation called `Bunnyhug' or `Ballyhoo.' '' /.../ http://www0.mercurycenter.com/partners/docs/003925.htm Posted at 11:03 p.m. PDT Thursday, Sept. 20, 2001
Re: CDR Anonymizer cpunks_anon@einstein.ssz.com ?
On Saturday, September 22, 2001, at 11:44 PM, Karsten M. Self wrote: IF you are a United States Citizen or Resident and YOU HAVE SUFFERED A FINANCIAL LOSS write Financial Loss - Contact Me ASAP on the documents you have received and Fax them to the Task Force at 202-406-6930 and give Your telephone number(s). A Secret Service Agent will call you back as soon as possible to discuss the matter with you (don't worry, you're Not in any trouble). Or you can just use the Short Form: I'm a greedy fool WHO SENT MONEY TO SOME NIGERIANS who promised I would Make Money Fast. It's disgraceful that employees paid by taxpayers are wasting time collecting letters from nitwits who believed they could make a lot of money by sending it to the Crown Prince of Sierra Leone or the Minister of Petroleum Exploration in Nigeria. Hello, Friend! I am the younger brother of William Jefferson Clinton, Esq., 43rd President of our great nation. My brother is temporarily unable to access the funds he deposited in the Cayman Islands in exchange for arranging a pardon for convicted terrorists and drug dealers. I can get you a cut of his locked-up money if you just send me a minor deposit to demonstrate your honest intentions. s. Joe-Bob-Roger Clinton, unemployed honkey tonk musician. --Tim May
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Re: Preparedness (ultralight attack on statue of liberty)
on Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 08:08:06AM -0700, David Honig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At 09:45 PM 9/21/01 -0700, Tim May wrote: Any attack with VX or similar nerve gas would kill tens of thousands fairly quickly. Gas masks of no use, due to lack of coverage of all exposed skin, and leakage. Gas masks mainly useful for mustard gas, that sort of thing. Leakage yes, but I think a lot of people get sick or die (eg in a subway attack) because of inhaling the gas phase. Of course if you touch the liquid you're toast. I'd think an alkali decontaminizing layer in the filter would help with the nerve agents. You fail to understand. Nerve gas is absorbed through the skin. A containment suit is required, a gas mask, alkali or otherwise, is worthless of itself. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
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crypto in Pakistan punishable by execution
Just picked this up on CNN interview. Any use of encryption technology in Pakistan is now punishable by execution. Can someone look into this who may have access to this sort of information to confirm or deny the report. regards joe baptista -- The dot.GOD Registry, Limited http://www.dot-god.com/
Re: Cooksey: Expect racial profiling
At 12:26 PM 09/20/2001 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: Somebody should impeach this asshole... http://www.theadvocate.com/news/story.asp?StoryID=24605 -- WASHINGTON U.S. Rep. John Cooksey, R-Monroe, told a network of Louisiana radio stations Monday that someone wearing a diaper on his head should expect to be interrogated in the investigation of terrorist attacks on the Pentagon and New York City. and he jingoes on from there. Cooksey doesn't say whether he was including the KKK in the category of people with diapers on their head, or what to do about politicians who need to change their own diapers. He does acknowledge that some turban-wearers are Americans, and some aren't Muslims or Arabs, but he still thinks they need to be pulled over, because bin Laden and many of his followers wear turbans. Bin Laden has also been rumored to wear pants. Cooksey won't be running for House again in 2002 - he's planning to run for Senate instead. I hope the Democrat's better, though this is the part of the country that put out vote for the crook bumper stickers when the crook's opponent was (ostensibly ex-) Klansman David Duke.
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