Re: America needs therapy
On Monday, October 1, 2001, at 09:04 PM, Steve Schear wrote: As Tim and others have pointed out oil only looks cheap if all the costs are not exposed at the pump. Gee, I recall making a much different point. I recall disputing the claim that the real, unsubsidized price of oil is $10 a gallon for gas. Oil looks cheap because oil _is_ cheap. It gets a lot more expensive at the pump because various shakedown artists apply taxes, which they rationalize to their proles in various ways. --Tim May
Re: Larry Ellison wants National ID Card database
Somebody on the list, promoting a total boycott of Oracle, quoted Larry Ellison as saying: We need a database behind that, so when you're walking into an airport and you say that you are Larry Ellison, you take that card and put it in a reader and you put your thumb down and that system confirms that this is Larry Ellison We need a database that knows, when you walk into an airport and say you're Larry Ellison, whether to take the big orange boot off your private jet's wheels that's there because you keep violating the quiet-hour curfew at San Jose airport And it needs to do this at every airport in the country so that, if your flight plan gets you into San Jose too late at night, they won't let you take off, even if you have caught up on your fines.
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STILL OFF TOPIC: Re: America needs therapy
On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Steve Schear wrote: At 01:25 PM 10/1/2001 -0400, James B. DiGriz wrote: Declan McCullagh wrote: A far more productive application of corporate welfare would be if that money were spent on engineering research and development of geosynchronous solar power microwave relays, fusion and advanced fission reactors, GEO is lousy: it's too far away, and it's packed already. Newer concepts assume LEO with active microwave focus tracking of the rectenna ground array with phased array antennas integrated into the solar array. You have to have sufficient amounts of hardware in the sky for continuous line of sight presence. permanent manned statons on the Moon, Mars, asteroids, etc. The planet and Luna is closest, and it's near enough for relativistic lag being low enough to allow teleoperation. Sending monkeys elsewhere would seem a later stage. its politics would likely be a lot cleaner. Just one beneficial side effect. Research in geosynchronous power satellites is still being funded. One program, started in Japan but which is now also funded by NASA, uses 5.7 GHz transmission to a ground based RECifying anTENNAs. Another project intends to use IR lasers. My understanding is these projects are receiving serious funding and prototypes should fly soon. Problem is high LEO launch costs. It would seem easier to build automated and teleoperate fabbing and (linear motor) launching facilities on Luna, and circularize orbit mostly by aerobraking. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204/;leitl/a __ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3
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Re: SF development (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 16:30:17 -0400 From: Kirk Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SF development I don't know what happened to Brian however as far as I know John Walker is still lurking. Development is anything but halted. Ron Bessem has a mixing version of the windows speak freely and Jonnas and I have a unix/linux version in cvs. Changes have not been happening quickly recently but that is because we are both busy on other projects. You are of course welcome to get involved and help with the development. There's plenty of room for everyone. cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/CVS login password: please cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/CVS co speak_freely (unix/linux) or win_sf for windows) Kirk * * * To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send E-mail containing the word unsubscribe in the message body (*not* as the Subject) to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: STILL OFF TOPIC: Re: America needs therapy
Eugene Leitl wrote: Problem is high LEO launch costs. It would seem easier to build automated and teleoperate fabbing and (linear motor) launching facilities on Luna, and circularize orbit mostly by aerobraking. And if you can put up a bloody huge enough launcher on the moon, (use solar energy or nuclear - why not - it is one place in the system that we don't care about pollution) then you can send material back all the way to LEO by slingshot, and when it is captured by the facility at LEO, if you do it right, you can get a free boost in orbit because of greater orbital velocity of moon. So the more you accrete onto your LEO station the higher it flies. Why not make it the size of Wales? Hello Earth Station One. Well, 3 technically I suppose, Mir was One, the thing up there now is Two. Can't really count Skylab. There is a good fun fictional treatment of the lunar-driven space station idea by Donald Kingsbury The Moon Goddess and the Son. Written before the Soviet Union fell. In the book they get done in by home-made cruise missiles built out of private planes off-the-shelf, computers, autopilots, and GPS by Afghan refugees who studied aero engineering in Europe and the US. I think it might be worth re-reading. That and Arslan AKA The Wind from Bukhara by Madeleine (?) Engh. Ken Brown
Customs wants lists of all air passengers, foreign domestic.
Obtaining information on passengers traveling within the United States also could be helpful to law enforcement. - Robert Bonner Remember, as far as Big Brother is concerned, the end justifies the means This scheme would be greatly facilitated by Gephardt Ellison's proposed ID card/internal passport. Peter Trei --- http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011002/us/attacks_customs_2.html Tuesday October 2 3:33 AM ET Customs Wants Lists of Passengers By JEANNINE AVERSA, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - Airlines should be required to turn over their advance lists of passengers to screen for possible terrorists, the new Customs Service commissioner says. Robert Bonner, in an interview with The Associated Press, said Monday he first wants the passenger information for all international flights headed for the United States. Then, he said, Congress should consider requiring that such information be turned over for domestic flights as well. The Customs Service has access to about 85 percent of international flight passenger information under a voluntary program with the airlines. It has no information on domestic flights. ``I believe that it would be extremely valuable if there is a requirement that the airlines provide that information to Customs, to feed it into our data base and thereby identify potential terrorists or other suspects who make an attempt to enter the U.S.,'' Bonner said. [...] On air travel, the agency has received information voluntarily from airlines since 1988 on international air passengers, including names, birth dates, nationality and travel document numbers. The information is collected at the time of departure and transmitted to Customs while flights are en route to the United States. Ninety-five air carriers and two governments - Australia's and New Zealand's - transmit data on international soon-to-arrive air passengers to a Customs facility in Virginia. Air carriers from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Pakistan and Egypt are among those that don't participate, Customs spokesman Dennis Murphy said. To force airlines to give international passenger information to Customs may require congressional action. ``For a foreign airline that would be unwilling to provide the information, we should simply deny the right to land in the United States,'' Bonner suggested. [...] Obtaining information on passengers traveling within the United States also could be helpful to law enforcement, he said.
Re: Brinworld: citizens with speed-radar
Nomen wrote: According to collected data, the average speed in 30 mph zones ranged from 35.5 to 46 mph. In the 35 mph zones, the average speed was about 43 mph. The highest speed, clocked by Colonial Estates East Citizens on Patrol group, was 62 mph in a 30 mph zone. Too bad this wasn't California. According to that states laws, if a survey shows that average driver speeds are substantially higher than the posted speed limit, the speed limit must be raised. It would have been a sweet irony if these busybodies had ended up with 60 MPH posted speed limits on their residential streets. And if that had been the response in my neighborhood, this busybody would promptly start salting the roadway with vast numbers of 1 roofing nails. Nobody has to put up with that bullshit.
Re: A modest proposal
At 09:52 AM 10/2/01 -0400, Lyle Seaman wrote: Since we know that these terrorists use steganography, they could be sending messages hidden in the contents of the letters, classifieds, or even the editorial page. Therefore, the solution is clear. All printed matter must be reviewed by a team of crack government cryptographers prior to publishing. These cryptographers will be able to ensure that no hidden content, or subtext, is present in any of the Observer's editorial content. Its worse than that. Since a OTP can be used with stego, every picture out there can be shown to communicate future terrorist plans. Govt steganographers are working on that. Meanwhile, all original images must be submitted to the Office of Homeland Defense for LSB dithering. We have always been at war with Oceania bin Laden.
Re: STILL OFF TOPIC: Re: America needs therapy
At 02:00 PM 10/2/01 +0100, Ken Brown wrote: And if you can put up a bloody huge enough launcher on the moon, (use solar energy or nuclear - why not - it is one place in the system that we don't care about pollution) then you can send material back all the way to LEO by slingshot, and when it is captured by the facility at LEO, And Lloyds pays out when you miss the catch? (Then again, NASA played plutonium slingshot without coverage... )
Re: STILL OFF TOPIC: Re: America needs therapy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 02 October 2001 06:00 am, Ken Brown wrote: Eugene Leitl wrote: Problem is high LEO launch costs. It would seem easier to build automated and teleoperate fabbing and (linear motor) launching facilities on Luna, and circularize orbit mostly by aerobraking. High LEO launch costs are just down payments. It's literally true, energy-wise, that LEO is halfway to anywhere in the solar system. What's needed is a group of intelligent people and a seed stock of technology on the Moon. Teleoperation is great technology, but what's the point in these endeavours without a human component? Besides, teleoperation and AI and everything else breaks down, and the more complicated a thing is the easier it is to break it. Wheras humans... well, Scott Carpenter's description of an astronaut was roughly something like A nonlinear computer with over 1 billion binary decision elements, weighing less than 200 pounds, and capable of being produced by unskilled labor. A large enough human presence is self-repairing, self-replicating, and self-controlling. The perfect world for rapid expansion. And if you can put up a bloody huge enough launcher on the moon, (use solar energy or nuclear - why not - it is one place in the system that we don't care about pollution) then you can send material back all the way to LEO by slingshot, and when it is captured by the facility at LEO, if you do it right, you can get a free boost in orbit because of greater orbital velocity of moon. Backwards. Higher orbit == lower velocity. As each component is added, you increase the mass of the station. You increase the energy of the total structure because the new component carries with it kinetic energy realized from the decrease in altitude, but rendevous and docking will probably waste all of that advantage in braking burns. Your chief advantage is that it takes much less energy to get from the Moon's surface to LEO than it does to get from the Earth's surface to LEO. So the more you accrete onto your LEO station the higher it flies. Why not make it the size of Wales? Why would you want to? If it's the size of Wales and solar maximum begins to drag it lower, how in the hell would you boost it again without throwing away all of Swansea as fuel? Easier and cheaper to use lunar material to build stations and equipment in High Earth Orbit, GEO, and at the LaGrange points. Especially at L4 and L5, you could build your station as large as you want (O'Neill designed them as large as 30 km, IIRC) and never worry about the mass because it won't ever go anywhere. Hello Earth Station One. Well, 3 technically I suppose, Mir was One, the thing up there now is Two. Can't really count Skylab. More like 11. Salyut 1 through 7, Skylab, Mir, and ISS or whatever the hell they're calling it this week. In terms of habitable volume, the Salyuts are the smallest, followed by Mir before expansion, then Skylab, then Mir after expansion, then ISS-as-designed. ISS-as-built is, I believe, somewhere between Mir and Skylab, although to be fair they aren't done yet. There is a good fun fictional treatment of the lunar-driven space station idea by Donald Kingsbury The Moon Goddess and the Son. Written before the Soviet Union fell. In the book they get done in by home-made cruise missiles built out of private planes off-the-shelf, computers, autopilots, and GPS by Afghan refugees who studied aero engineering in Europe and the US. I think it might be worth re-reading. That and Arslan AKA The Wind from Bukhara by Madeleine (?) Engh. And for serious-but-light reading on the topic, look for Colonies In Space by Heppenheimer, The High Frontier by Dr. O'Neill, and more recently Entering Space by Zubrin. The first two are wildly optimistic, the last is actually rather pessimistic - I could argue with the numbers of all three, and reality is probably somewhere in the middle. The three also increase in technical detail and decrease is fun as you go down the list. - -- Matt Beland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rearviewmirror.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7udh2BxcVTa6Gy5wRApBXAKD8DZgGMYM6lN4INfdfIb1hDD9oNQCePxQS 5JsNNwbde1TeI952dsXGDJw= =3taz -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: STILL OFF TOPIC: Re: America needs therapy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 02 October 2001 07:43 am, David Honig wrote: At 02:00 PM 10/2/01 +0100, Ken Brown wrote: And if you can put up a bloody huge enough launcher on the moon, (use solar energy or nuclear - why not - it is one place in the system that we don't care about pollution) then you can send material back all the way to LEO by slingshot, and when it is captured by the facility at LEO, And Lloyds pays out when you miss the catch? (Then again, NASA played plutonium slingshot without coverage... ) Bah. Read a physics text sometime. Miss the catch and the payload continues on in it's original path, which would be at a tangent to the intended orbit and therefore to the surface. As for NASA playing plutonium slingshot, they did indeed - with a huge margin for error, and a design so pessimistic that even if the damned thing had slammed head-on into the planet, there would almost certainly have been zero contamination. If the canister HAD broken, the contamination would have been roughly on the scale of Three Mile Island, which killed 0 people and did 0 environmental damage. If you and the other idiots want to object to the things NASA and others do, fine. Be my guest. But do your homework FIRST. - -- Matt Beland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rearviewmirror.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7udl8BxcVTa6Gy5wRAu0AAJ93/TITE97kXPo52yd+5gjEJQqYLACfTZHb mplHm14BS0ZzA62i+DyW6go= =4cvG -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: STILL OFF TOPIC: Re: America needs therapy
At 08:12 AM 10/2/01 -0700, Matt Beland wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 02 October 2001 07:43 am, David Honig wrote: At 02:00 PM 10/2/01 +0100, Ken Brown wrote: And if you can put up a bloody huge enough launcher on the moon, (use solar energy or nuclear - why not - it is one place in the system that we don't care about pollution) then you can send material back all the way to LEO by slingshot, and when it is captured by the facility at LEO, And Lloyds pays out when you miss the catch? (Then again, NASA played plutonium slingshot without coverage... ) Bah. Read a physics text sometime. Miss the catch and the payload continues on in it's original path, which would be at a tangent to the intended orbit and therefore to the surface. Why don't you consider worst case scenarios, and aerobraking. As for NASA playing plutonium slingshot, they did indeed - with a huge margin for error, and a design so pessimistic that even if the damned thing had slammed head-on into the planet, there would almost certainly have been zero contamination. If the canister HAD broken, the contamination would have been roughly on the scale of Three Mile Island, which killed 0 people and did 0 environmental damage. Why don't you consider worst case scenarios, and aerobraking. If you and the other idiots want to object to the things NASA and others do, fine. Be my guest. But do your homework FIRST. Why don't you consider worst case scenarios, and aerobraking.
FTC vs. First Amendment
So if someone goes to your site, the FTC can tell you how to communicate? Or only if your site's DNS entry is hamming-close to another? Or only if you're communicating unPC (e.g., erotica) content? And how does bombarding them with ads differ from spam, which has been 1st-amend. protected so far? If you run with javascript enabled, you deserve what you get. Keep your laws off my HTML. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-7371736.html?tag=mn_hd FTC shutters thousands of Web sites By Reuters October 1, 2001, 11:40 a.m. PT WASHINGTON--A U.S. court shut down thousands of Web sites after it determined that they diverted Web surfers and held them captive while bombarding them with ads for pornography and gambling, the U.S. government said on Monday. According to the Federal Trade Commission, John Zuccarini, of Andalusia, Pa., outside Philadelphia, operated more than 5,500 Web sites that diverted Web surfers from their intended destinations and exposed them to pop-up ads. Zuccarini did not immediately respond to calls for comment. Zuccarini registered many misspellings of popular sites, such as Cartoonnetwork.com, the FTC said, in a bid to draw traffic from sloppy typists. Visitors to his sites often could not leave, as the back button on their Web browsers would be rigged to trigger more pop-up ads. After one FTC staff member closed out of 32 separate windows, leaving just two windows on the task bar, he selected the 'back' button, only to watch as the same seven windows that initiated the blitz erupted on his screen, and the cybertrap began anew, the FTC said in its complaint, filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, in Philadelphia. The scheme is especially harmful to children or employees who may put their jobs at risk when they inadvertently call up pornographic or gambling-related material, the FTC said. The district court has ordered Zuccarini to take his sites offline, the FTC said, while the case continues. But as of early Monday afternoon, at least one site registered to Zuccarini, Annakurnikova.com, was still functional. Zuccarini had registered 41 variations on the name of pop star Britney Spears, the FTC said. In its court action, the FTC is seeking to get Zuccarini to return the estimated $800,000 to $1 million he earns in advertising revenues. According to the FTC, Zuccarini has been sued at least 63 times in the last two years by trademark owners, celebrities or others seeking to recover variants of their Internet domain names. He has lost 53 of those suits and been forced to return nearly 200 domain names, the FTC said.
Re: STILL OFF TOPIC: Re: America needs therapy
At 01:14 PM 10/2/2001 +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote: On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Steve Schear wrote: At 01:25 PM 10/1/2001 -0400, James B. DiGriz wrote: Declan McCullagh wrote: A far more productive application of corporate welfare would be if that money were spent on engineering research and development of geosynchronous solar power microwave relays, fusion and advanced fission reactors, GEO is lousy: it's too far away, Apparently the engineers for these project differ with you. and it's packed already. GEO is only packed for communications applications. Physically, most of it is very sparsely populated. Newer concepts assume LEO with active microwave focus tracking of the rectenna ground array with phased array antennas integrated into the solar array. You have to have sufficient amounts of hardware in the sky for continuous line of sight presence. Active focus and tracking, via a LED, is part of the GEO project as well. steve
Re: STILL OFF TOPIC: Re: America needs therapy
Once the catcher is high enough it ought to be possible to set the launcher so that missed catches zip round Earth head out. After all, at Lunar OV it wants to be in a high orbit. Achieving re-entry through Earth's atmosphere - sorry that should be entry it wasn't here in the first place - needs some precision. And if the loads are anything smaller than a large truck, they ought not to harm Earth anyway. Just a pretty light show for anyone watching the skies. Nothing like as fast as natural meteors. Moon-Earth flight time could be days. As many days as you want I suppose as long as you are going faster than the Moon's escape velocity, and certainly very many hours. If you do it right there is no reason it couldn't pass the station at almost any required speed. Catching is the hard part. A plain ordinary net might have to do, at least at first. Well, not *that* plain or ordinary. But it needs to be light because it comes up from Earth. You have to start small, with pea-sized consignments. Or baked-bean-can-sized. Then you work up, making new equipment from stuff sent from the moon. Anything big enough to do damage on Earth will be visible from Earth. So it isn't at all a useful weapons launching system. If you are trying to drop big hot rocks on cities, they will have time to run away (low tech solution) or phone up their sub commanders and tell them to light the blue touchpaper (high tech solution). Same goes with knobs on for nukes. The way to get a station into higher orbits is to start even higher and drop stuff onto it from above. Ken Brown David Honig wrote: At 02:00 PM 10/2/01 +0100, Ken Brown wrote: And if you can put up a bloody huge enough launcher on the moon, (use solar energy or nuclear - why not - it is one place in the system that we don't care about pollution) then you can send material back all the way to LEO by slingshot, and when it is captured by the facility at LEO, And Lloyds pays out when you miss the catch? (Then again, NASA played plutonium slingshot without coverage... )
Re: Brinworld: citizens with speed-radar
An Metet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Nomen wrote: According to collected data, the average speed in 30 mph zones ranged from 35.5 to 46 mph. In the 35 mph zones, the average speed was about 43 mph. The highest speed, clocked by Colonial Estates East Citizens on Patrol group, was 62 mph in a 30 mph zone. Too bad this wasn't California. According to that states laws, if a survey shows that average driver speeds are substantially higher than the posted speed limit, the speed limit must be raised. It would have been a sweet irony if these busybodies had ended up with 60 MPH posted speed limits on their residential streets. And if that had been the response in my neighborhood, this busybody would promptly start salting the roadway with vast numbers of 1 roofing nails. Nobody has to put up with that bullshit. On arterial roads this may be an interesting approach. In a residential neighborhood you're absolutlely right. Rather than flatten everyone's tires, ID the worst offenders then give them a chance to get it right. My dad has suggested leaving old strollers, bikes kids toys around the streets. Deny knowledge or ownership. In our area the limit is 25, there are a couple of shitheads who regularly do 45. They deserve to be beaten to within an inch of their lives, if I thought I could get away with it...the same with the assholes who let their dogs run around loose. Oh to live out in the country again where an aggressive dog loose on your property could be called a threat to livestock... sorry, I'm pining... PS - about eartags for cows and sheeple^H^H - they only seem to mind for a few seconds then they go right back to chewing their cud...
Re: FTC vs. First Amendment
On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 08:29:31AM -0700, David Honig wrote: So if someone goes to your site, the FTC can tell you how to communicate? Or only if your site's DNS entry is hamming-close to another? Or only if you're communicating unPC (e.g., erotica) content? And how does bombarding them with ads differ from spam, which has been 1st-amend. protected so far? Isn't the source of the FTC's authority its statutory power against unfair and deceptive practices? Seems as though you should be arguing against that law -- this is just the latest action taken under it. -Declan
Re: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date
It's nice that the proposal has a sunset clause in it, to limit the amount of time that we're subject to the various good or bad half-baked suggestions and the various agencies' requests for powers they've always wanted. Expect that the worst parts will get extended indefinitely over the years :-) At 08:48 PM 10/01/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: - Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FC: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 20:32:57 -0400 X-URL: Politech is at http://www.politechbot.com/ Text of the new PATRIOT (Provide Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism) Act: http://www.well.com/~declan/sep11/patriot.act.100101.pdf Background on other legislation: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,47199,00.html http://www.wartimeliberty.com/search.pl?topic=legislation -Declan * http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47230,00.html Eavesdrop Now, Reassess Later? By Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 5:00 p.m. Oct. 1, 2001 PDT WASHINGTON -- House negotiators have drafted anti-terrorism legislation to grant police unprecedented eavesdropping powers that would automatically expire in two years. Leaders of the House Judiciary committee have crafted a new anti-terrorism bill, called the Patriot Act, that includes nearly all the surveillance abilities requested by President Bush -- but with a sunset date of Dec. 31, 2003. A vote on the bill is expected this week. A 122-page draft (PDF) of the Patriot Act, obtained by Wired News, says that police could conduct Internet wiretaps in some situations without court orders, that judges' ability to reject surveillance requests would be sharply curtailed, and that the powers of a secret federal court would be expanded. [...] - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - - End forwarded message -
Re: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's nice that the proposal has a sunset clause in it, to limit the amount of time that we're subject to the various good or bad half-baked suggestions and the various agencies' requests for powers they've always wanted. Expect that the worst parts will get extended indefinitely over the years :-) Note that (if I'm reading it right) the sunset only applies to Title I (the Internet surveillance bits), and not, for example, to the hacking is terrorism bits in Title III (section 309). The sunset also applies to the IRS ratting on income generated from terrorist activities in section 405. - Ian
PUBLIC VS. PRIVATE SECTOR
C'punks, Fox News had a retired general on to discuss the purported billion dollar bounty on Bin Laden. His take was predictable. He was afraid that mercenaries would get in the way of government efforts to get OBL. Of course, he never consider that the government efforts might get in the way of the mercenaries nor that the two might have a community of interest in working together. I have been saying for 15 years that the solution to hijackings/kidnappings is bounty insurance. (A relatively small premium pays for a $10,000,000--or more--bounty on the heads of those who kidnap and kill an insured person.) Any insurance/entrepreneurial types out there who want to step up to the plate and put together such a policy? S a n d y P.S. Bounties are NOT assassination politics. Those who believe they are the same are unclear on one or both concepts.
Re: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date
On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:09:50PM -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: It's nice that the proposal has a sunset clause in it, to limit the amount of time that we're subject to the various good or bad half-baked suggestions and the various agencies' requests for powers they've always wanted. Expect that the worst parts will get extended indefinitely over the years :-) If I recall properly -- read the text of the bill to check me here -- the bill explicitly invites the Prez to submit his request for an extension in 2 yrs. -Declan
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Re: and now for something completely different...
On Tuesday, October 2, 2001, at 05:56 PM, Steve Schear wrote: Princeton University has for a while been host to a number of computerized studies of random number generators. The Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab (PEAR) is one. Another of them is the Global Consciousness Project (GCP), whose data is available on the web at http://noosphere.princeton.edu/ . obvious answer. When we look carefully and discover that the eggs might reflect our shock and dismay even before our minds and hearts express it, we confront a still deeper mystery. ... This network, which we designed as a metaphoric EEG for the planet, responded as if it were measuring brain waves on a planetary scale. We do not know if there is such a thing as a global consciousness, but if there ... Thanks for the Fruitcake Alert. --Tim May
Re: Photographing Dams
On Tuesday, October 2, 2001, at 06:04 PM, Steve Furlong wrote: Tim May wrote: I know that I if I am ever stopped for photographing a dam or a bridge I hope I'll have the courage to tell the cop to fuck off. If arrested on such a bogus charge, things will escalate dramatically and I would be forced to Plan B. Strong suggestion: don't phrase it quite that way. Don't give the jack-booted thug any real grounds for arrest, or even detention. Fuck that. It might be even worse for you, as a Californian, than for most Americans. Isn't California one of the states which requires all citizens to cooperate with police? With cooperation presumably defined as whatever the pig wants you to do. No. You really have been reading too many of the Happy Fun Court is Not Amused arguments and not enough about probable cause, the Fourth Amendment, the Fifth Amendment, and the C. in general. There certain is no requirement to cooperate. Where to do otherwise intelligent people pick up these bizarre ideas? --Tim May
Re: cryptome down ?
Hmm, I get a Cannot Find server or DNS error I tried from work, and I tried it from home. Unless John had to ban both due to robot issues. Oh well.
Re: and now for something completely different...
I felt a great disturbance in the Force . . . as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.
Re: Photographing Dams
Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, October 2, 2001, at 06:04 PM, Steve Furlong wrote: Tim May wrote: I know that I if I am ever stopped for photographing a dam or a bridge I hope I'll have the courage to tell the cop to fuck off. If arrested on such a bogus charge, things will escalate dramatically and I would be forced to Plan B. Strong suggestion: don't phrase it quite that way. Don't give the jack-booted thug any real grounds for arrest, or even detention. Fuck that. Some quick research shows me that some states no longer make it aggravated harassment to swear at a cop, though it's still an offense in some states. I couldn't find Indiana's status on that, but it looks like your method might be successful. It might be even worse for you, as a Californian, than for most Americans. Isn't California one of the states which requires all citizens to cooperate with police? With cooperation presumably defined as whatever the pig wants you to do. No. You really have been reading too many of the Happy Fun Court is Not Amused arguments and not enough about probable cause, the Fourth Amendment, the Fifth Amendment, and the C. in general. There certain is no requirement to cooperate. shrug I really thought I had come across that in Findlaw or somewhere. Maybe it was a proposal that was shot down, maybe it's in other states, maybe you're wrong. I don't see it in a Findlaw search just now, but I'm not even sure what it would be called. Certainly not the Citizen Bend Over and Spread 'Em Act, but things like Police Assistance Act and Citizens Cooperation Act didn't give any hits, either. Where to do otherwise intelligent people pick up these bizarre ideas? Heh. If you're referring to me, events of the past few days argue against my intelligence. More generally, it's probably a mixture of laziness, time pressure, the value of the effort needed to check every fact before posting, and knowing that something is true and therefore need not be checked. Posters to mailing lists and Usenet could treat every post as a submission to a refereed journal, but by the time the fact-checking was done, the thread would have died out. SRF -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel 617-670-3793 Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly while bad people will find a way around the laws. -- Plato
Re: cryptome down ?
There have been a half dozen folks who said today they could not access Cryptome, but it's accessible from here. And there are only a half dozen blocks of rampaging bots. However, we are in the process of switching the archives to new machines and IP address changes are in the works -- completion due any day now. I had thought that was the problem but at the moment cryptome.org and jya.com still go to the current machine. The reason for the change is that the current machine has been swamped with worms and our ISP, Verio, has not been able to get rid of them, not even with a total wipe of the storage and new programs, nor have any suggestions worked. So two new machines have been rented to try a fresh start. Cryptome on one, jya.com on the other -- heretofore both were on a single machine. Copies of the archives have been transferred, so there are two sets at the moment, the current box and the new ones. New addresses: cryptome.org 161.58.201.197 jya.com 128.121.222.215 We're dreading the ravenous worms coming, and the locust-plague of spiders and bots. We'll see which box gets hit first and from where the predators originate. Oddly, even before we loaded one of the machines its log showed a sustained worm attack of hours long error messages, then the hits ceased, as if worms withdrew to await http prey. Weird shit out there.
Re: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date
On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 08:49:34PM +, Ian Goldberg wrote: Note that (if I'm reading it right) the sunset only applies to Title I (the Internet surveillance bits), and not, for example, to the hacking is terrorism bits in Title III (section 309). The sunset also applies Ian: I think that's right (based on my reading of it yesterday, so you may not want to treat this recollection as fact). But i think the def'n of hacker-terrorist was also narrowed. -Declan
Re: Photographing Dams
I wrote in January about a Capitol Police (federal) cop telling me I couldn't take a photo of the Capitol building from a public sidewalk: http://www.politechbot.com/p-01636.html Not an urban legend. -Declan On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 05:47:02PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't there cases of persons having had their film confiscated for photographing federal installations from public rights of way or is that the stuff of urban/net legends? Is does sound hokey to me. Mike
Re: Photographing Dams
Tim May wrote: Amendment, the Fifth Amendment, and the C. in general. There certain is no requirement to cooperate. Where to do otherwise intelligent people pick up these bizarre ideas? Probably because of all the heretofore unheard of things happening to people in the courts these days. My attorneys recently spent some time explaining to me about the new trend in Wisconsin courts and police. It seems that if they are investigating a crime, and you become uncooperative in any way -- not meaning you have to incriminate yourself, just uncooperative -- they charge you with obstructing an officer, a class C felony. And it generally sticks. Apparently no one thus far has taken it into fed court, or at least been successful in getting it overturned, and it's become a real threat. Interesting times we live in. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html
Re: cryptome down ?
I can't reach it from here either, and doing a nslookup on cryptome.org comes back with nothing. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html
Re: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date
There are numerous changes in PATRIOT from MATA and ATA, and it has over twice their length. It still uses the same obfuscation style of burying dozens of proposals as modifications of existing legislation, making it hard to understand what is being proposed without jigsaw puzzling the pieces into the legislation being modified to see what the whole picture will be when assembled. An underhanded method compared to Leahy's open-book bill. Creepy to read the massive shutdown planned for the Canadian border. Canada is surely to scream economic warfare at the US's pressure to close liberal immigration and civil liberty loopholes -- it doesn't look good for ZKS. What's the assessment within, Ian? To be sure, the US and its iron-maidenish allies are rushing to close loopholes around the world, and one bad effect of PATRIOT is for it to be used as a model for other countries to toe the line and consequent clampdown on security technologies. And pressure to shut Sealand, perhaps to require the Bunkers to allow rummaging the precious data. PATRIOT does just about everything Stewart Baker's Defense Science Board panel recommended for legal policy to protect US national security, in particular the sharing of domestic law enforcement, FBI, DoJ and IRS databanks with the military and the spooks and vice versa. Under the Ashcroft plan anyone can be declared by the Attorney General to be a terrorist or a supporter/advisor of terrorism and with that all civil liberities of the targets disappear. For example, those constitutional rights Tim claimed a hour ago are still in effect in the US. But not if this bill passes. I suspect insulting a cop will become quickly a terrorist's mark of Cain. Much less refusing a National Guard order at the airport. A quick addition of the misbehaver to the US Stasi databank and a lifetime investigation and harassment commences -- or if the target gets Tim-like uppity a hole in the head made by lead or enforced psychotherapy, totally approved by terrorist-drunk courts of jurisdiction. USA. USA. Remember, do not say out loud, fuck that. Think abou it, then decide to self-suppress for a couple of years, then a couple more, then more after that. It's a long, long campaign the leaders warn, just like their predecessors said the main enemy is within.
Re: cryptome down ?
On Tuesday, October 2, 2001, at 06:28 PM, Neil Johnson wrote: Hmm, I get a Cannot Find server or DNS error I tried from work, and I tried it from home. Unless John had to ban both due to robot issues. Oh well. You sure you're entering cryptome.org, and not cryptome.com? I jut tried it yet again, 8:20 pm PDT, and it works fine. --Tim May
Re: cryptome down ?
I've just tried it from a server in MN, and another one in AL, and, previously, from here in WI. Nada -- it doesn't exiest anymore. can't find cryptome.org: Non-existent host/domain -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html
Re: cryptome down ?
Yep, http://cryptome.org The IP address that John sent DOES work, so it is looking like an DNS issue. -Neil - Original Message - From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:23 PM Subject: Re: cryptome down ? On Tuesday, October 2, 2001, at 06:28 PM, Neil Johnson wrote: Hmm, I get a Cannot Find server or DNS error I tried from work, and I tried it from home. Unless John had to ban both due to robot issues. Oh well. You sure you're entering cryptome.org, and not cryptome.com? I jut tried it yet again, 8:20 pm PDT, and it works fine. --Tim May
Re: cryptome down ?
Agreed. It is a DNS issue. nslookup from one box without cryptome.org cached gives me: can't find cryptome.org: Non-existent host/domain John might want to temporarily redirect cryptome.org to the IP address (if his setup allows him to) so people get the hint, and make a note of the IP address in large type on his homepage. Since John talked about some server changes with Verio, it's likely their DNS problem. Also, whois shows the cryptome.org record was updated Oct 1 and is pointing to secure.net, whatever that is. -Declan On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 10:41:13PM -0500, Neil Johnson wrote: Yep, http://cryptome.org The IP address that John sent DOES work, so it is looking like an DNS issue. -Neil - Original Message - From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:23 PM Subject: Re: cryptome down ? On Tuesday, October 2, 2001, at 06:28 PM, Neil Johnson wrote: Hmm, I get a Cannot Find server or DNS error I tried from work, and I tried it from home. Unless John had to ban both due to robot issues. Oh well. You sure you're entering cryptome.org, and not cryptome.com? I jut tried it yet again, 8:20 pm PDT, and it works fine. --Tim May
Re: cryptome down ?
jya.com is fine, cryptome.org's dns servers haven't updated. You might well be using old BIND zone files, if your version of BIND was upgraded, make sure you check the SOA section of the zone file, as with newer versions different syntax was used, check out your logs for named errors on startup. Let me know if that makes any sense. --Gabe gabe@lurch:~$ whois cryptome.org Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Domain Name: CRYPTOME.ORG Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com Name Server: NS1.SECURE.NET Name Server: NS2.SECURE.NET Updated Date: 01-oct-2001 gabe@lurch:~$ host -a cryptome.org NS1.SECURE.NET Using domain server: Name: NS1.SECURE.NET Address: 192.41.1.10 Aliases: Trying null domain rcode = 0 (Success), ancount=2 The following answer is not authoritative: The following answer is not verified as authentic by the server: cryptome.org114490 IN NS NS1.SECURE.NET cryptome.org114490 IN NS NS2.SECURE.NET For authoritative answers, see: cryptome.org114490 IN NS NS1.SECURE.NET cryptome.org114490 IN NS NS2.SECURE.NET Additional information: NS1.SECURE.NET 86400 INA 192.41.1.10 NS2.SECURE.NET 86400 INA 161.58.9.10 -- It's not brave, if you're not scared.
Re: CDR: Re: Congress drafts new anti-terror bill -- with expiration date
John Young wrote: USA. USA. Remember, do not say out loud, fuck that. Think abou it, then decide to self-suppress for a couple of years, then a couple more, then more after that. It's a long, long campaign the leaders warn, just like their predecessors said the main enemy is within. Fuck that. :-) jbdigriz
World Socialist Web On PGP creator
PGP creator defends right to encrypt emails against calls for a ban By Mike Ingram 1 October 2001 http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/oct2001/pgp-o01.shtml [ Home page: http://www.wsws.org/index.shtml ] Philip Zimmermann, the creator of Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) encryption software, has issued a statement aimed at clarifying his attitude towards encryption in the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington. The statement, published on the technology site Slashdot, begins: The Friday September 21 Washington Post carried an article by Ariana Cha that I feel misrepresents my views on the role of PGP encryption software in the September 11th terrorist attacks. Referring to a claim in the article that he was overwhelmed with feelings of guilt, Zimmermann says, I never implied that in the interview, and specifically went out of my way to emphasise to her that was not the case, and made her repeat back to me this point so that she would not get it wrong in the article. This misrepresentation is serious, because it implies that under the duress of terrorism I have changed my principles on the importance of cryptography for protecting privacy and civil liberties in the information age. Zimmermann says that due to the political sensitivity of the issue, he had the reporter read most of the article back to him by phone, before she submitted it for publication. He insists, the article had no such statement or implication when she read it to me. The article that appeared in the Post was significantly shorter than the original, and had the above-mentioned crucial change in wording. I can only speculate that her editors must have taken some inappropriate liberties in abbreviating my feelings to such an inaccurate soundbite. He says he told Cha, I felt bad about the possibility of terrorists using PGP, but that I also felt that this was outweighed by the fact that PGP was a tool for human rights around the world, which was my original intent in developing it ten years ago. Speculating on the reason for the misrepresentation in the Post article, Zimmermann says, It appears that this nuance of reasoning was lost on someone at the Washington Post. I imagine this may be caused by this newspaper's staff being stretched to their limits last week. Zimmermann concludes his statement; I have always enjoyed good relations with the press over the past decade, especially with the Washington Post. I'm sure they will get it right the next time. Given the seriousness of the distortion that had appeared, this reporter contacted Cha to ask if the Post would be issuing a retraction of the article. Cha said in reply, What I did not realise was that some people would take the idea that he was feeling 'guilty' would imply that he felt he did something wrong, despite the fact that the story says he doesn't feel he made a mistake. That was not my intention and I apologise for any misunderstanding. The way we were thinking about 'guilt' was simply in terms of people feeling bad or somehow responsible, even though there may be no reason for that. She added, I've talked to Mr. Zimmermann about this story several times since it ran-in fact the day after the story was in the paper he called me to thank me for it and tell me how much he liked it. He did not mention any possible problem until this weekend when he reached me at home. Cha said she accepted that Zimmermann, needed to put out a statement to clarify that he had not changed his views that allowing the public to have strong encryption does more good than harm. Whatever the facts about Zimmermann's initial thoughts on the article, his attributing the misrepresentations contained in the article to editorial laxity is clearly not credible. The September 21 Post article was published amidst a concerted campaign by the Bush administration and a compliant media to channel public opinion behind support for anti-democratic measures. The tragic events of September 11 have been used to mount a wholesale attack on civil liberties, one focus of which has been an unprecedented intrusion into peoples' online privacy. Under these conditions, it is hardly accidental that an interview commissioned with Zimmermann is slanted to paint a picture of the man responsible for the development of encryption consumed with grief and regret in the aftermath of the terrorist attack. Such an article fits in with the tenor of official propaganda insisting that so horrific is the tragedy, only the most insensitive would object to a necessary curtailing of civil liberties. Zimmermann's public stance, as expressed in the Slashdot statement, is entirely justified. Saying that the Post article showed that I'm not an ideologue when faced with a tragedy of this magnitude, he continues: Did I re-examine my principles in the wake of this tragedy? Of course I did. But the outcome of this re-examination was the same as it was during the years of public debate, that strong cryptography
Re: cryptome down ?
Both ns1.secure.net and ns2.secure.net are returning SERVFAIL for A record queries for cryptome.org. That almost certainly indicates a misconfiguration on those two machines. John, you may want to start harassing your new provider to fix this. Alternatively, it could be that those two servers are not the correct ones for cryptome.org; then getting a SERVFAIL would make some sense.
cryptome down ?
I tried to get to cryptome, but it appears to be down. Any info ? - Neil M. Johnson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Man arrested in burning US flag
Don't you hate it when the issues are tangled. It would much nicer if there were a clean and simple case of free speech but no, it has to be impure. OTOH the police could be lying about the firecracker and the struggle knowing that the Constitutional issue is clear ( today anyway ) and wanting to punish the unbeliever. The neighbor is a real piece of work too. Let's all pitch in and send him a brown shirt.
Photographing Dams
There have been several panicky calls that Arabs were seen at national tourist spots, including photographing the Hoover Dam. Some on Usenet are calling for steps to crack down on these photographers. This is an article I wrote for Usenet: This is not the Soviet Union. Anyone may photograph _anything_, except on a military base or the like. There are no restrictions supported in the U.S. Constitution supporting bans on photographing, drawing, or making notes on anything not explicitly forbidden by military classification laws. I know that I if I am ever stopped for photographing a dam or a bridge I hope I'll have the courage to tell the cop to fuck off. If arrested on such a bogus charge, things will escalate dramatically and I would be forced to Plan B. (Sounds harsh. They're just doing their job. Nope. They don't have any legal right to stop persons without probable cause. Looking Arabic is not probable cause. Photographing a dam is not probable cause. Being suspicious is not probable cause.) I realize many of the survivalist and gun owner types are now adopting the My country, right or wrong stance. Not me. Things are going to get very, very violent if this stampede toward a police state continues. --Tim May
Re: cryptome down ?
on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 07:11:19PM -0500, Neil Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I tried to get to cryptome, but it appears to be down. Any info ? Works from here. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
