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Re: Farm Out! (was Re: Retribution not enough)
Tim May wrote: > On Monday, October 22, 2001, at 11:05 PM, Harmon Seaver wrote: > > Ish! I'm getting bummed with NS, but wouldn't use IE on a bet. Why > > use a > > virus magnet? > > The virii are typically executables for x86/Windows machines, not Macs. > You said you were using a Mac, so why do you think IE for the Mac > exposes you to virii? I used to have a web page with a simple dos command that would immediately crash any windoze machine running IE. While I realize that all the viri and such are aimed at windoze boxes, not Macs, given the general insecurity of IE in particular, and M$ products overall (for instance, Word and others ID'ing you secretly in the documents) who knows what all it does? I'm amazed, in fact, that someone like you, Tim, would use it. Do you know for sure what it sends back to M$ central, or perhaps, gasp, even to the fedz? > > > > But then, I don't use any other M$ product either, it's all > > third rate. > > Religious nonsense. I tend to avoid MS products because I can get good > alternatives for very little money, but few would call Microsoft Office > "third rate." I've seen the version for OS X and it looks very good. > Maybe "1.5" rate, but not second rate and surely not third rate. > StarOffice is a lot better. Opensource, for one thing (although I know the Mac version was dropped and the OS X version not quite ready yet, but the linux version rocks), and doesn't get macroviri in any version. Again, why would you use something that ID's everything you write? But if you really want a great word processor, try XyWrite. Too bad the law firm that bought it dropped the ball on development, but the Notabene version is going strong, and is the ultimate wp AFAIC. http://www.notabene.com/ No mac version, or linux version, but I run Xywrite under VirtualPC on the Mac, and under VMware on linux. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html
Re: USPS: glowing by leaps and bounds
Shit, so much for ordering mushroom spores by mail! Hopefully UPS and fedex won't follow suit. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html
Cypherpunks idiots list
Posters to the cypherpunks list can be divided into idiots and others. Idiots seldom contribute anything useful and love to fasten onto threads which require no more than their uninformed opinions. Interestingly, many of the idiots work at low-paying jobs like system administration, and several of them are unemployed. The lists below can't cover everyone, but here is a sampling of recent posters. Note: if you are an idiot, you may not like being informed of this fact. Nevertheless you will find few non-idiots who will disagree with your classification. Go ahead and ask for anyone on the non-idiots list to vouch for you, if you have the balls. Idiots Jim Choate (lifetime member) Harmon Seaver Karsten Self J.A. Terranson Steve Furlong James B. DiGriz Reese Non-idiots Tim May Bill Stewart Sandy Sandfort Greg Broiles John Young James Donald Lucky Green Eric Cordian Declan McCullagh (marginal) Adam Back Adam Shostack Eugene Leitl
Re: eWe Won't Have CJ Parker and Richard NIxon To Kick Around AnyMore...
Declan McCullagh wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 11:32:19PM -0400, Steve Furlong wrote: > > I can't sympathise much on this basis. A family member, a retired cop > > and the family shame, confirmed what I had suspected: that most people > > in jail are there because they couldn't keep their mouths shut --- on > > Um, no. Many are there because they're (gasp) "drug criminals." Oh, certainly. I should have left my post the way I first wrote it: "most criminals in jail...", distinguishing murderers and such from people who voluntarily use drugs and those who supply them. How about this version: Most malem in se convicts are in prison because they couldn't keep their mouths shut. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel 617-670-3793 "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly while bad people will find a way around the laws." -- Plato
Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:04:44PM -0500, Jon Beets wrote: > This appears total BS to me... While I don't doubt some agents do at times > conduct their own idea of interrogation I sincerely doubt that the FBI as a > whole would be considering this... Yes, journalists like those at the Times and the Washington Post are commonly in the habit of fabricating interviews. Um, no. Such a thing may of course happen -- remember that Pulitzer-winner a while back -- but when you weigh it against the likelihood of an FBI trial balloon, all becomes clear. -Declan
Wolfowitz, Calling For "Great Caution," Limits DoD Employees' Discussions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- The interesting thing about this is the new crackdown on non-classified information in the private sector under the umbrella provision "persons in other organizations that support DoD." Of course each contractor has the right to set what's acceptable and what isn't from their employees in terms of talking to the media etc., but the way the Wolfowitz policy is being implemented in certain quarters really takes it to a whole new level. To my mind, either information is classified or it isn't. Preventing leaks is one thing, but why private citizens who happen to do THINKINT on terrorism--for example--should be silenced and subjected to these harsh new provisions is less than obvious. ~F. http://ebird.dtic.mil/Oct2001/e20011023wolfowitz.htm Wolfowitz, Calling For "Great Caution," Limits DoD Employees' Discussions Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz has forbidden all Defense Department employees from talking about their work in common areas and public spaces, on unsecured telephones or networks, and while commuting to and from work. In an Oct. 18 memo, Wolfowitz says U.S. military and civilian lives, as well as DOD operations, facilities, resources and critical information, are "at risk for an indefinite period" following the terrorist attacks against New York City and Washington, DC. He cites the national emergency President Bush declared Sept. 14 and the military's contribution to "wide-ranging efforts to defeat international terrorism" as putting DOD's places and people at risk. The memo is addressed to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, service secretaries, top leaders in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, directors of defense agencies and several other senior DOD officials. The guidance also applies to "persons in other organizations that support DOD." "We must ensure that we deny our adversaries the information essential for them to plan, prepare or conduct further terrorist or related hostile operations against the United States and this Department," the memo states. Wolfowitz directs employees not to discuss their work where they could be overheard by anyone outside the department, and he cautions against releasing much of the information DOD uses to conduct its business. Using italics for emphasis, the deputy secretary's memo says it is "vital that Defense Department employees, as well as persons in other organizations that support DOD, exercise great caution in discussing information related to DOD work, regardless of their duties. "Do not conduct any work-related conversations in common areas, public places, while commuting, or over unsecured electronic circuits. Classified information may be discussed only in authorized spaces and with persons having a specific need to know and the proper security clearance," states the memo. Wolfowitz says even unclassified defense information, which usually is subject to far fewer restrictions and oversight, may require protection "because it can often be compiled to reveal sensitive conclusions. Much of the information we use to conduct DOD's operations must be withheld from public release because of its sensitivity. If in doubt, do not release or discuss official information except with other DOD personnel." Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said today the release of any classified information about the military's actions in Afghanistan and against terrorists worldwide could threaten the lives of U.S. troops and the results of the military's actions abroad. He called the disclosure of operational information to the news media last week prior to U.S. special forces' arrival on the ground in Afghanistan "terrible" and "irresponsible" and said it is a violation of federal law. "We cannot and will not provide information that could jeopardize the success of our efforts to root out and liquidate the terrorist networks that threaten our people," Rumsfeld said at a Pentagon press briefing today. "To the extent that the Taliban and the al Qaeda know the goals and the purposes of our operations, they will be in a better position to frustrate those goals and those purposes. It is not in our country's interest to let them know when, how, or even why we're conducting certain operations." Wolfowitz directs in his memo all major DOD components to review the department's "operations security program" and to "ensure that their policies, procedures and personnel are in compliance" with it. - -- Christian Bohmfalk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Hush 2.0 wl8EARECAB8FAjvVtGcYHGF1dG8zMDEwOTRAaHVzaG1haWwuY29tAAoJEKadvsVlUK4P rosAn2GojE5ZDTPwgapNM+vlU40GW/oxAJ9pZ4AcHJZQNJBtII1gAp6M4PY7qA== =MAPR -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Cypherpunks idiots list
And the others that didn't even get mentioned -- what category do you rate them? So are we idiots supposed to feel crushed by this and slink away, never to be heard from again? Or should we just try harder? Or maybe simply double/triple/quadruple the volume of our posts to achieve eminence? I guess I'm not seeing the relevance, since you don't have the balls to do this openly. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html
Re: Cypherpunks idiots list
Nomen Nescio wrote: > > Posters to the cypherpunks list can be divided into idiots and others. ... > The lists below can't cover everyone, but here is a sampling of recent > posters. Note: if you are an idiot, you may not like being informed > of this fact. Nevertheless you will find few non-idiots who will disagree > with your classification. Go ahead and ask for anyone on the non-idiots > list to vouch for you, if you have the balls. I don't think my self-esteem will be greatly damaged by someone without the balls to attach his own name to his message. When Tim called for a fatwah against me a year ago, following a misunderstanding about something I wrote, he at least had the balls to do so over his own name. And now that I think about it, there's no real indication that you are a "someone". Quite likely you're just a dumbassbot hiding behind an anonymizer. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel 617-670-3793 "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly while bad people will find a way around the laws." -- Plato
Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 08:50:01PM -0700, Tim May wrote: > Yes, but this is one of those manufactured, utterly implausible > situations. I cannot think of a single instance where a suspect had this > kind of knowledge, with this kind of stakes, and with this kind of "next > three hours" timetable. Even relaxing each item by a factor of 10...I > can't think of any such examples. Neither can I. My intention was not to suggest that it's acceptable to rip out the accused's toenails, slowly, but to suggest that this is the kind of scenario that we may hear politicians talking about in short order. -Declan
Neverending Cycle ( was : Re: USPS: glowing by leaps and bounds )
> Shit, so much for ordering mushroom spores by mail! > Hopefully UPS and fedex won't follow suit. > Another option might be for each package to be dropped into a poly bag, heat sealed and rinsed before being handled by staff. Our society has, for all practical purposes, endless vulnerabilities. If as each vulnerability is exploited we plan on taking drastic steps to secure it from future exploitation, the costs will be staggering and the list of unsecured items will hardly diminish. The result of the current approach is an authoritarian society with a neverending, self-justifying security project ahead of it. Sounds like a wonderful place to live if you're an insect. Mike
Re: Ananova - US researchers discover artificial sperm
It is, of course, unfair to paint Nadine Strossen with the same brush you'd use with Andrea Dworkin. -Declan On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 11:12:33PM -0400, Steve Furlong wrote: > Jim Choate wrote: > > > > http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_430602.html?menu=news.latestheadlines > > Well, shit, don't let Andrea Dworkin or Nadine Strossen find out, or > we're all done for! > > -- > Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel > 617-670-3793 > > "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly > while bad people will find a way around the laws." -- Plato
Re: Cypherpunks idiots list
Nomen Nescio wrote: > > Posters to the cypherpunks list can be divided into idiots and others. Something I forgot to mention: "Nomen Nescio" certainly belongs on the idiots list. There are an awful lot of really stupid messages coming from Nomen. (For the irony impaired, yes, I am aware that many anonymizer users come under the NN nym.) -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel 617-670-3793 "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly while bad people will find a way around the laws." -- Plato
Re: Cypherpunks idiots list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Somebody behind a remailer wrote: >Posters to the cypherpunks list can be divided into idiots and others. Posters to the cypherpunks list can be divided into those agitating on behalf of the united states federal government and others. Isn't attempting to turn people in a group against each other about the oldest trick in the book? Hopelessly transparent. Back to the drawing board, eh? Everyone here is perfectly capable of deciding who they find worth reading and who they don't. I'll bet you'll have a hard time getting anyone to take this kind of divisive playground squabbling seriously. But if it makes you feel better to "get revenge" on people who somehow pissed you off, well, knock yourself out. Harmless enough, though not exactly what most people would find a fascinating and brilliant contribution to the forum. Here's a thought: quit bitching about everyone else's lousy posts and start adding some serious value of your own. If you're up to it, that is. Couldn't hurt to try! ~F. *** All the resources of a superpower cannot isolate a man who hears the voice of freedom, a voice I heard from the very chamber of my soul. - -Anatoly B. Shcharansky -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Hush 2.0 wl8EARECAB8FAjvVwtYYHGF1dG8zMDEwOTRAaHVzaG1haWwuY29tAAoJEKadvsVlUK4P XlsAoL7GfTkHljE/HuLd97R7LZfNIk+0AKCvWULkIa1ZxeD683HsxmSu3zypzA== =vU95 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Cypherpunks idiots list
Rather amusing, when you think about it. Obviously the guy is too clueless to figure out how to use any sort of filter or killfile. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html
Re: eWe Won't Have CJ Parker and Richard NIxon To Kick Around AnyMore...
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 11:32:19PM -0400, Steve Furlong wrote: > I can't sympathise much on this basis. A family member, a retired cop > and the family shame, confirmed what I had suspected: that most people > in jail are there because they couldn't keep their mouths shut --- on Um, no. Many are there because they're (gasp) "drug criminals." 1.6 million drug arrests made last year: http://www.alchemind.org/News/ucr2000.htm -Declan
Re: Clubbing in Fortress Amerika (fwd)
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 11:02:03PM -0400, Steve Furlong wrote: > I disagree. Feinstein et al aren't cooperating with Big Brother in hopes > of better treatment. They _are_ Big Brother. If any U.S. politician qualifies for that title, two high-profile senators and a man who came closer than anyone else in history to being vice president certainly would. -Declan
Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent
Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : >On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 08:50:01PM -0700, Tim May wrote: >> Yes, but this is one of those manufactured, utterly implausible >> situations. I cannot think of a single instance where a suspect had this >> kind of knowledge, with this kind of stakes, and with this kind of "next >> three hours" timetable. Even relaxing each item by a factor of 10...I >> can't think of any such examples. > >Neither can I. My intention was not to suggest that it's acceptable to >rip out the accused's toenails, slowly, but to suggest that this is >the kind of scenario that we may hear politicians talking about in short >order. > >-Declan > I wonder what orders our raiders have in regards prisoners? While we're debating what may or may not happen here my guess is that the decision about what to do with captured al Quaeda or Taliban higher-ups on the battlefield was decided long ago. The interrogators and their bags of tricks are ready for subjects. We have to know what they know. Mike
Re: eWe Won't Have CJ Parker and Richard NIxon To Kick Around AnyMore...
On 23 Oct 2001, at 14:13, Steve Furlong wrote: > Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 11:32:19PM -0400, Steve Furlong wrote: > > > I can't sympathise much on this basis. A family member, a retired cop > > > and the family shame, confirmed what I had suspected: that most people > > > in jail are there because they couldn't keep their mouths shut --- on > > > > Um, no. Many are there because they're (gasp) "drug criminals." > > Oh, certainly. I should have left my post the way I first wrote it: > "most criminals in jail...", distinguishing murderers and such from > people who voluntarily use drugs and those who supply them. > > How about this version: Most malem in se convicts are in prison because > they couldn't keep their mouths shut. > Actually, I think you were right the first time. We may feel symapthy for the malum prohibido convicts and contempt for the in se ones, but odds are pretty good that a convict of either catgeory is likely to be complicit in his own convition. In fact, small quantity non violent drug offenders are probably among the most likely to fall for the "we'll go easier on you if we cooperate" line. George > -- > Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel > 617-670-3793 > > "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly > while bad people will find a way around the laws." -- Plato
Re: Cypherpunks idiot list
Of course I know how to use a killfile! I killfiled all you idiots long ago, but your names and trivial ideas keep getting quoted by all the important people, AND I JUST CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE!. Have you no shame, how can you dare to even show your face on a list like this, you stupid, underpaid little twits? We divided everyone up like this and published the names in my highschool, and it worked very well. Everyone knew where they stood, and just who was really WHO!
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Re: WSJ on Safety Before Liberty
> Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt, among others. But claims that > after the crises passed civil liberties were restored "stronger > than ever." So fear not what is in the offing. Post-war US liberties were usually restored after apalling abuses by the mendacious followed by intensive lobbing by civil rights activists. It'd be nice to cut the former phase short. Although, perhaps the better tactic is to let them run-amok. It certainly worked for the Netherlands. -- Julian Assange|If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people |together to collect wood or assign them tasks and [EMAIL PROTECTED] |work, but rather teach them to long for the endless [EMAIL PROTECTED] |immensity of the sea. -- Antoine de Saint Exupery
Re: Cypherpunks idiots list
I very rarely post, so I am reveling in my mediocrity... -josh Harmon Seaver wrote: > And the others that didn't even get mentioned -- what category do > you rate them? So are we idiots supposed to feel crushed by this and > slink away, never to be heard from again? > Or should we just try harder? Or maybe simply > double/triple/quadruple the volume of our posts to achieve eminence? > I guess I'm not seeing the relevance, since you don't have the > balls to do this openly. > > -- > Harmon Seaver, MLIS > CyberShamanix > Work 920-203-9633 > Home 920-233-5820 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html
RE: Conman, quantum entaglement and no cat
C'punks, Penn says Copperfield's trick is "Right out of the books." He goes on to say that it's just a matter of presentation. But we all knew that, right? S a n d y
Is there a subway in DC?
And why are NYC prison^H^H^H^H^H^Hinhabitants still taking subways? http://books.nap.edu/books/0309068495/html/223.html#pagetop
Re: Why Plan-9 licensing?
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: > The trend in free software licensing has been strong reluctance to > accepting novel licenses. Right, that's why there are so many of them out there... > > Interaction for who, the author or the user? > > Interaction between licenses. It's more overhead for the developer to > deal with. Interaction between licenses for who?... You're using a flawed model. There are three 'roles'; author, distributor, user. Any license must interact with all three roles. The fact is that the license doesn't effect the developer nearly as much as the distributor and the end user. You're only looking at a single layer of interactions. There is another aspect you're completely ignoring, unless one license prohibits(!) use with another license the interaction (outside of "Can I make money off it?") is nil - both for developers and users. > > All license start out in the minority. It's a competition in a way. > > What are you competing for? What characteristic of a license will "win" > the competition? Utility, which license brings the maximum benefit to all three roles. > This isn't software domination, Yes, it is. > it's more a protocol for collaborative development. Once you've got that > nailed down, stop dicking with the damned lawyers, and start writing code. One shoe doesn't fit all. -- The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. Edmund Burke (1784) The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: fanaticism, left anarchists, and CACLing
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Luthor Blisset wrote: > [1] They don't like either corporate or state centralization of power, but > neither do you, right? Right...? AFIAK, Left-anarchists and CACL types > oppose corporate and governmental centralization of power - it's just that > the left-anarchists focus on corporate power, and CACL types focus on > government power... And corporations can't exist without the state. The whole bunch of you miss the point that these are MECHANISMS. 'They' don't do anything. People use the concepts to do things to each other. And yes, corporations (ie agreements or contracts) can exist without a state. Governments however can't exist without a cash flow. -- The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. Edmund Burke (1784) The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: Retribution not enough
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Ken Brown wrote: > David Honig wrote: > > > No one forces a farmer to the city to look for an industrial job. > > In general, no. Bull, the people who don't purchase his goods at a price point he can sustain himself do in fact force him into other lines of work. 'Supply and demand' and 'Market force' are synonymous. -- The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. Edmund Burke (1784) The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: Retribution not enough
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Jim Choate wrote: > > >> * "Low wage" compared to _what_? > > > >What it takes to have reasonable living standards and sufficient resources > >to help ones children do better than themselves. > > Reasonable? Well, compared to dying of malnutrition, anything is > "reasonable". After that, it's mostly a matter of letting economic growth > do its deed. Then you agree that their conditions aren't reasonable. As to 'economic growth', that implies you have either the time or the place to look for alternatives. These are not universal, especially in a market where some parties act with intent to restrain other parties. > >Because if the producers allow this behaviour they put themselves out of > >business. > > OTOH, dismal civil rights conditions make a country a hostile, high risk > environment to investment capital. Read the first two para's of the DoI as to why this isn't as big an issue as you might think, provided you get out early enough. > That gives a reasonable incentive to the government/dictator to do something > about those rights violations. Yeah, like keeping them around just one more year so we can put just that much more in the treasury. Historically dictators and such have not(!) acted to improve their citizens lot in life, if the citizens get any improvement it's because the powers that be recognize the situation and are hoping to stabilize it (so that their income streams are stabalized). They're not doing it for the people, it's self-preservation. > >If the market were open, it isn't. The reality is that the market is > >controlled in such a way as to keep the status quo. This ensures the > >political, social, and economics supremacy of a small minority at the > >expense of the many. > > And guess what? Part of globalization is getting the fundamental human > rights and civil liberties infrastructure in place in these countries. No it isn't. It's about getting the fundamental government-corporate rights and civil liberties infrastructure in place in these countries. -- The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. Edmund Burke (1784) The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
RE: Retribution not enough
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > Inchoate gets it wrong again. This is where that remedial reading course > would come in handy. > > He wrote: > > > The very basis of free market economies, > > one is rewarded FAIRLY for their efforts. > > No, quite clearly the basis of free market economies is FREEDOM. That's why > they're called "FREE market economies" (not "FAIR market economies.") And they can be 'free' ONLY if all parties act fairly. A player in a game most certainly does NOT have a 'free' choice if one or more players are cheating. The bottom line, a choice can only be called 'free' if it is unconstrained. That means that the party making it not only is unconstrained but is informed of all(!) potential choices and outcomes. Unfortunately the world isn't that clear, so we get constrained choices. The question then becomes are they 'internal' or 'external' constraints. If they are external then they are not 'fair' and the choices made under those constraints can't be called 'free' under any rational definition of 'free' or 'rational'. -- The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. Edmund Burke (1784) The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: CDR: Re: Retribution not enough
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: > Elementary - fair is whatever the parties in interest agree to. Period. 'agree' is synonymous with 'free' in this case. All you're doing is playing word games and hand waving. What does it mean to 'agree'? Is an agreement that one can backout of with no consequences the same as an agreement where they break your leg if you don't? Are those agreements the same? No. -- The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. Edmund Burke (1784) The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
RE: Conman, quantum entaglement and no cat
> Penn says Copperfield's trick is "Right out of the books." He goes on to > say that it's just a matter of presentation. But we all knew that, right? Of course. A moment's thought will make it clear that the list which was finally exhibited with the correct lottery numbers on it was not the same list which was sitting in that guarded envelope all that time. Somewhere along the way, in the process of opening the envelope, the magician makes a switch. It's the oldest trick in the book, or one of them anyway.
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Re: Retribution not enough
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, David Honig wrote: > As the universe said to Thoreau's man, "So?" > > Adapt or die. Exactly, but pitching 'man against man' as synonymous as 'universe against man' is a disservice. They're not the same thing. One is a 'free market' and the other is the opposite. Of course this cuts right to the primary failing of all C-A-C-L philosophy. -- The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. Edmund Burke (1784) The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
