MI5 Plan to detect terrorists

2001-11-22 Thread measl


Right out of a Monty Python piece...

http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/06/30/ngerb30.xml 

MI5's secret plan to recruit gerbils as spycatchers
By Michael Smith, Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 30/06/2001)
MI5 considered using a team of highly-trained gerbils to detect spies and
terrorists flying into Britain during the 1970s, Sir Stephen Lander, the
service's director-general, revealed yesterday.
The plan was based on the ability of gerbils to detect a rise in adrenalin
from changes in the scent of human sweat. Sir Stephen said the Israelis
had put the idea into practice, placing gerbil cages to the side of
security checks for travellers at Tel Aviv airport. A suitably placed fan
wafted the scent of the suspect's sweat into the cage.
The gerbils were trained by Pavlovian response to press a lever if they
detected increased adrenalin, receiving food as a reward. The system was
never put into practice by MI5 because the Israelis were forced to abandon
it after they found that the gerbil could not tell the difference between
terrorists and passengers who were scared of flying.
Speaking at a conference at the Public Record Office in Kew, Sir Stephen
said MI5 archives contained a complete volume on the idea - which was
based on Canadian research for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police - written
in the 1970s.
Although Dame Stella Rimington made a practice of speaking publicly in an
attempt to change MI5, yesterday's Missing Dimension conference was only
the second occasion that Sir Stephen has done so.
The conference marks a new PRO exhibition on espionage, Shaken Not
Stirred, starting today, which includes exhibits on a number of spies
including Mata Hari and a spy paid the equivalent of 6.5 million by King
George I to spy on the Stuarts.
The Missing Dimension refers to the fact that most histories are written
before intelligence files have been released and so omit a crucial element
of what occurred and why. Sir Stephen admitted that it would be a long
time before MI5 would be able to release details of its Cold War
activities.

-- 
Yours, 
J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they
should give serious consideration towards setting a better example:
Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of
unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in
the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and 
elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire
populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate...
This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States
as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers,
associates, or others.  Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of
those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the
first place...






Re: CDR: Re: "Rigorous and objective" (if at first...)

2001-11-22 Thread measl


On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Petro wrote:

> On Saturday, November 17, 2001, at 07:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > (in my perfectly humble hate-group inspired opinion :-).  It's also 
> > great
> > fun watching Jeff and company pretend to be even dumber than your 
> > average
> > @home luser.
> 
>   What makes you think they're pretending?

*Never*, _ever_, underestimate the Enemy.  JeffCo are an awful lot of
[mostly bad] things, but truly stupid is not one of them.

-- 
Yours, 
J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they
should give serious consideration towards setting a better example:
Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of
unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in
the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and 
elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire
populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate...
This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States
as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers,
associates, or others.  Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of
those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the
first place...






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Re: Farm Out!

2001-11-22 Thread Petro


On Tuesday, November 20, 2001, at 01:45 PM, Lou Poppler wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Tim May wrote:
> : On Monday, October 22, 2001, at 11:05 PM, Harmon Seaver wrote:
> : >  Ish! I'm getting bummed with NS, but wouldn't use IE on a bet. 
> Why
> : > use a
> : > virus magnet?
> : The virii are typically executables for x86/Windows machines, not 
> Macs.
> : You said you were using a Mac, so why do you think IE for the Mac
> : exposes you to virii?
> Other kinds of virii that IE will happily launch include VBscript,
> ActiveX, and Javascript, which probably work OK on a Mac too.

The primary problem isn't IE, it's Outlook. And the Mac doesn't 
have the Right Stuff for ActiveX and VB, unless you also have Office 
installed as well, and even then I don't think the calling conventions 
are the same.
>
--
"Remember, half-measures can be very effective if all you deal with are
half-wits."--Chris Klein




Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-22 Thread jamesd

--
On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 08:46:18PM -0800, Petro wrote:
> > Not necessarily. It is argued both that  Libertarians are 
> > chicken-shit anarchists (afraid to take the last step) or 
> > that Anarchists are just extreme Libertarians.

On 22 Nov 2001, at 12:36, Mark Henderson wrote:
> As far as I can tell most libertarians are in favour of an 
> unfettered free market. People who label themselves as  
> anarchists tend to be anti-capitalist.

Similarly, databases labelled as "relational" never were, and 
databases that actually are relational never bothered to so  
label themselves.

Anti capitalist anarchism, socialist anarchism, died bloodily 
in Catalonia in betrayal, terror, and tyranny.  In 1938 the  
remaining "anarcho" socialists hastily reinterpreted their  
past inconvenient ideology, so that the word "anarchy" was  
reinterpreted to have a meaning indistinguishable from then  
existent socialism, as practiced by Lenin and Stalin.   

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Re: Cypherpunk failures

2001-11-22 Thread Petro

On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 01:48 PM, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:

> On 19 Nov 2001, at 19:43, Ken Brown wrote:
>
>> Much too 1990s. These times suit more loyal-sounding names.
>> "Programmers Rally Against Terrorism"?
>
> I wonder how many non-Brits will get this...

A few.

--
"Remember, half-measures can be very effective if all you deal with are
half-wits."--Chris Klein




Re: Nuclear Pipe Bombs

2001-11-22 Thread Petro

On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 01:47 PM, Sandy Sandfort wrote:

> Ken Brown quoted Tim May (I think) saying:
>
>>> A way too expensive way to spread mere
>>> radiological terror, which could be done
>>> much more cheaply and easily by taking
>>> spent fuel rods and blowing them up, or
>>> just by grinding up spent fuel rods or
>>> other nuclear waste and then dumping it
>>> out of a plane over a city.)
>
> Won't work on Berkeley, though.  The City Council declared Berkeley a
> "Nuclear Free Zone."  Guess that leaves only conventional weapons.

What about night-sights on pistols and analog watches?
--
"Remember, half-measures can be very effective if all you deal with are
half-wits."--Chris Klein




Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-22 Thread Petro

On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 12:55 PM, Tim May wrote:

> On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 12:36 PM, Faustine wrote:

<...>

>> This applied as well to _new_ banks. This meant that neither the 
>> customer (Joe Sixpack) nor the branch manager had to be "convinced" or 
>> "sold" on the importance or value of good security. Rather, the normal 
>> market discounting forces took care of the issue. Actuaries, 
>> underwriters, risk estimators, and security experts think about things 
>> some people never think will happen to them. Educating the masses is 
>> not the main issue.
>
> If you had read much of the past traffic of the list, Faustine, you 
> would know about this point.
>
> Will the same happen with online security and crypto? It already has. 
> The credit card companies already have imposed rules for merchants, a 
> major part of why SSL and 128-bit crypto and all the rest is happening. 
> Lawsuits over leaking of medical records are already happening, and 
> some large tort judgements will likely cause increases in security 
> (including better encryption, more use of capability-based 
> architectures to limit access, etc.)

The irony in this, to use your analogy to bank robbers, is that 
mandating 128bit SSL is not securing the bank vault, but rather making 
sure nobody but the bank teller and the customer know what they are 
saying to each other (SSL being transport security).

Most bank robbers in the past wanted in to the safe/vault cause 
that's where the *big* cash is. These days that is done by reading the 
database, rather than sniffing the wire.

But database security is relatively easy and uninteresting.

> Sure, Grandma and Sis aren't using PGP 8.13 to encrypt their notes to 
> you. So?

So it makes it more obvious when Bill the Abortion Provider sends 
me instructions on how to get to his office.

> Not that I'm discouraging you from going out to and trying to get that 
> "I didn't know that!" glimmer of awareness that maybe good locks are 
> better than bad locks. Knock yourself out.

Part of the problem is that security is a PITA, and they get that 
glimmer, and they start worrying about things, but the habits are 
already there.

> --Tim May
> "You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher 
> moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know 
> that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged." - -Michael 
> Shirley

--
"Remember, half-measures can be very effective if all you deal with are
half-wits."--Chris Klein




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2001-11-22 Thread Major Variola (ret)

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Re: Denning's Geo-crypto

2001-11-22 Thread Major Variola (ret)

At 11:35 AM 11/22/01 -0800, John Young wrote:
Do caves
>serve as acoustic resonators to emit recorded whispers up
>ventilating shafts?

Their waveguide, not resonance, properties might be of interest,
if their CO2 emissions -whether speaking or silent- were not so telling.

Unless Osama's got a *bunch* of lime.

Thermal sig is telling too.  They don't grow weed under lights in the
karez,
do they?




The generosity of capitalism

2001-11-22 Thread Faustine

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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And now, for a special thanksgiving message from a closet Objectivist-
libertarian in the Bush administration... :)

*** 

The generosity of capitalism

The US is the world's biggest giver because its ethos of individualism
encourages humanitarianism, argues Lawrence Lindsey, 
Financial Times
Published: November 21 2001 19:54 | Last Updated: November 21 2001 22:09


Approximately $1.3bn has been donated to benefit the victims of the September
11 terrorist attacks. While this is a considerable sum, it is consistent with
Americans' generosity. According to the American Association of Fundraising
Counsel, in 2000 Americans gave $203bn to charitable organisations, or 2 per
cent of gross domestic product, far surpassing the contributions of any other
nation. Further, those other countries that were runners-up in private
philanthropy were nations that share US values and traditions. 

Why are Americans such big givers? Some say this generosity is merely the
outgrowth of the spectacular success of capitalism at wealth creation. And no
one should argue with capitalism's success in generating wealth, or that
possessing wealth beyond that required to meet one's immediate needs makes
contributing to humanitarian causes easier. 

But surely there is more to the link between capitalism and humanitarianism
than wealth creation. After all, there are plenty of things one can do with
one's wealth other than contribute it to meeting the needs of others.
Humanitarianism rests not just on wealth but on an ethos. And two aspects of
the ethos of capitalism - materialism and individualism - are what make
humanitarianism possible. 

Materialism is the belief that the quality of one's life on earth is important:
that life should be more than a daily struggle to meet immediate needs. This is
important, for if one does not believe that the material conditions of life are
important, no value exists in meeting the material needs of others. 

The individuals who commandeered the aeroplanes and flew them into the World
Trade Center and the Pentagon did not think the material conditions of life
mattered. Indeed, they did not think life itself mattered. They willingly
brought death to themselves and thousands of others and suffering to tens of
thousands for a non-material purpose. 

Indeed, their acts and the rhetoric of their leaders are not just non-material,
but anti-material. They believe in tearing down. Capitalism, by contrast, is
the ideology of building up; it is the best ethos for making our dreams and
aspirations concrete that mankind has ever found. Indeed, "Man Also Rises", the
painting by Frank O'Connor, husband of novelist Ayn Rand, is a rendering of a
skyscraper under construction. The symbolism behind our enemy's choice of
targets is profound. 

So, of course, materialism is also necessary for wealth creation, which in turn
makes humanitarian acts possible. But materialism as an ethic, as well as
materialism in its substance, is a precondition for meeting the needs of
others. 

The second ethic of capitalism that is necessary for humanitarianism is a
belief in the individual. Individualism places value on the sin gle person
apart from the value of the group. It requires rebuilding an individual's
spirit. Humanitarianism is not the act of helping humanity in the collective -
indeed, such an act is difficult to imagine. It is the act of helping to meet
the needs of an individual or a number of individuals and thereby assisting
humanity. 

This point is lost on the US's new mortal enemy. But it was also lost on that
other mortal enemy: communism. Communists often speak of the needs of humanity.
But this does not make them humanitarians, for they never care about the needs
of a single individual. 

Indeed, it is communism's lack of caring for the individual that ultimately
stopped communism from meeting material needs. As Margaret Chapman, founding
president of the US-Russia Business Forum, wrote of the dying days of the
Soviet Union: "It is often said people are willing to die for their country but
not to work for it." Unlike communism or nationalism, humanitarianism is not
advanced by anyone's heroic death. Humanitarianism is never that easy. It
requires hard work and sacrifice to improve the life of another individual. It
requires being there day in and day out. 

Indeed, the ethic of communism or socialism works to undermine humanitarianism.
If one is told that the state will care for the needs of the individual,
individuals are absolved from the responsibility of caring for their fellows. 

The reality of this was brought home to me when I visited Romania in the early
1990s to adopt our daughter, Emily. What we think of as civic society had been
destroyed in Romania by years of brutal Communist dictatorship. 

The elderly were starving in their apartments because they could not leave to
get food and no one thought it their duty to help. A neighbour of one of the
consulates 

Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-22 Thread Mark Henderson

On Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 01:17:44PM -0800, Petro wrote:
>   When was the last time you worked a Customer Support line for a web 
> site that did CC transactions?
> 
>   End users care about, and insist on security. They don't know JS 
> about it, they don't begin to understand it, but they "know" that 128 
> bit SSL is better than 40bit, and they know that it "keeps hackers away 
> from their credit cards".

Yes, they do care. But, I don't understand exactly why they care 
since unauthorised e-commerce transactions end up being the liability 
of the merchant and the credit card company. It is usually just an
annoyance for the customer.

Of course, 128 bit SSL gives customers a false sense of security. The 
CC number is protected over the wire between their desktop and the 
web server, but customers have no clue what happens to their CC 
number after that. If the web server has been compromised, it doesn't 
matter much what sort of over-the-wire encryption you use. The 
customer generally has little idea of how the merchant stores CC 
numbers and what measures are in place to protect them. 




Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-22 Thread Petro


On Sunday, November 18, 2001, at 10:37 PM, CDR Anonymizer wrote:

> At 08:29 PM 11/18/01 -0800, CDR Anonymizer wrote:
>> Because they could.
>
> This goes beyond gratuitous demonstration of power and ability,
> there is an economic reason behind it all.
> What is / their / economic reason?

Same as it always is.

Control.
--
Interfaces matter.  You need mathematical bones; engineering muscle;
but you won't replicate without beautiful skin. Bits, transistors, 
wires, code, gummint velveeta is free.  Will is expensive. Gutenburg.  
Smith.  Ford.  Moore.  Postel. Steam engines were neat.  Steam engines 
pulling trains were amazing. Computers were neat.  Computers networked 
were amazing. Warning grunts are useful. The ability of a charistmatic 
speaker to fuck with your head is disastrous.
--Blank Frank(anonymously)--




Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-22 Thread Petro

On Sunday, November 18, 2001, at 02:16 PM, Faustine wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> declan wrote:
>> Not so with digital cash. It also suffers from deployment problems, of
>> course, but far more substantial regulatory ones. You need two
>> consenting users -- and a tie-in to the banking system (preferable) or
>> at least some exchange of value (like e-gold) that's sufficiently
>> trusted. Crypto may peeve the FBI, but widespread digital cash is far
>> more alarming to governments, which will not permit true digital cash
>> to be deployed in any popular way. One obvious way to limit its utility
>> is to restrict its tie-ins with the banking system, or prohibit 
>> businesses
>> within their borders from using it.
>> That's the crypto winter.
>
> On a scale of 1 to 10, how likely do you think it is that these 
> problems will
> be resolved in, say, the next decade? Where are the people most likely 
> to make
> it happen? Fascinating stuff.

0.

Can't happen, and won't. Why? there's no margin in it.

RH was always going on about Digital bearer Certs being 2 orders of 
magnitude cheaper to clear than a book entry transaction, and he may 
well be right.

But Citibank, AmEX and the others make their money making those 
transactions, and they aren't stupid people. They're not going to cut 
their own throats--they realize that the costs of setting up and running 
a clearing house for DBC/Ecash/whatever are trivial compared to running 
a clearing house for credit cards. And the government realizes what 
happens when they can no longer track the money.

I used to have one thin wedge of hope, that someone with the 
brains, the code and the capital would realize that there could be a 
killing made in the Adult Entertainment side of things--porn and 
gambling. Areas where (1) Participants do not necessarily trust each 
other, (2) People often wish to be anonymous, and (3) large amounts of 
cash change hands.

However the Porn Sites are obviously doing quite well getting True 
Names from people, and the people obviously don't mind much that these 
sites will often double charge their credit cards &etc. And the gambling 
people, well, they're heavily regulated.

--
Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad
people will find a way around the laws.
Plato (427-347 B.C.)




Re: IP: Wanna make biological weapons and take out cities? $10. (fwd)

2001-11-22 Thread Declan McCullagh

I have little interest in debating with someone who believes in 
criminalizing the publication and distribution (and also, apparently, the 
purchasing) of scientific and technical information.

One might as well debate the merits of concealed carry .40 caliber vs. 9mm 
handguns with a Handgun Control lobbyist.

-Declan


At 12:44 PM 11/22/2001 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


>On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Nobody is saying that free expression includes inciting a riot or
> >soliciting murder. But it does generally include the right to write a book
> >(and read it) without being targeted by the government.
>
>MY translation of what YOU are saying is that when a student learning to 
>fly a
>commercial Boeing airliner tells his flight instructor that he doesn't 
>need to
>learn how to take off or land, but only how to fly it in the air, that we 
>ought
>to say (the flight instructor, and society in general) "Oh, that's cool, I
>guess," and not report it as suspicious.
>
>Sorry, I don't agree.
>
> >What you wrote that raised eyebrows was this:
>
> >>I sure hope that the government is investigating and following each and 
> every
> >>person who buys a copy of this book... I wonder if there's a way to force
> >>Tobiason to foot the bill for that security?
>
> >There are plenty of books I can think of -- almost all of the Loompanics
> >catalog -- that would fret some government official. David Burnham's books
> >on the IRS and DOJ abuses of power are another.
>
>There's a huge difference between a book that blows the whistle on government
>misdoings and abuses versus a book that gives a detailed recipe on how some
>disgruntled lunatic with $10 in their pocket can kill tens of thousands, 
>maybe
>even millions, of other people "from your basement, in your spare time".
>
>ESPECIALLY when that book discusses (and presumably encourages) the 
>distribution
>of anthrax and other home-cultured lethal pathogens by letters in the 
>mail, and
>in light of recent events bearing a striking similarity to that, I think it's
>obvious that people who bought this guy's book or CD are certainly at least
>among the list of prime suspects.  (And I'd think that it simply makes 
>sense to
>investigate, and monitor the activities of the rest of the purchasers to 
>try to
>uncover if they're just "curious" as an academically interesting subject, 
>or to
>see if they have a more sinister purpose.)
>
>Obviously we as a nation were largely blindsided by the September 11th 
>disaster,
>and we've been roundly criticized due to the obvious failure of 
>intelligence to
>see this coming and head it off somehow.  While we can't ALWAYS achieve that,
>it's clear that we need to do better in that area.
>
>There's plenty of other things that "ordinary" folk simply don't have much 
>need
>to buy and own.  [very-]Large-denomination currency, perhaps.  Nuclear 
>weapons.
>  High explosives and blasting caps.  Shoulder-launced antiaircraft 
> missiles.
>I'm sure you can think of others.  I'd put anthrax and other biological or
>chemical weapons into that category, too.  I'd hope that anyone buying (or
>attempting to buy) such stuff would at least slightly raise an eyebrow on the
>part of SOMEONE charged with helping to maintain a society that's safe to 
>live
>in.  It's clearly NOT enough to only monitor such things on the part of 
>madmen
>like Saddam Hussein... clearly, we have crazy people right here in the United
>States, too.  They're no less in need of at least some oversight to make sure
>that they don't go off the deep end and endanger as much as an entire city 
>(or
>possibly even worse).
>
> >But I hardly think it's
> >consistent with the First Amendment to investigate the people who buy them,
> >or make the authors pay "protection money" for the privilege of publishing.
>
>It's hardly reasonable for taxpayers as a whole to have to pay the high 
>costs of
>security that are created by an irresponsible individual who is creating a 
>very
>dangerous situation just to earn a few fistfulls of dollars (and to quite
>purposefully create that danger).  When someone creates a highly dangerous
>condition that results in heavy costs to someone else (whether to correct the
>problem, or even to protect themselves against the possible problem) then 
>courts
>have traditionally found that the damaged party has a civil claim against the
>person creating that hazard.
>
>Again, the First Amendment has its limits.  If some organization were to 
>publish
>a "you can build it at home in your spare time" cookbook recipe of how to 
>create
>an innovative sort of nuclear weapon capable of destroying a large city, I'd
>expect for the government to step in and prevent its publication and sale...
>purely as a matter of national security.  Now THERE, it's true that getting
>"enough" nuclear fuel is nontrivial, but in the case of biological (and even
>some chemical) weapons, the potential for actual (and not just imagined)
>mischie

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Jamming technology blocks cell phone rings

2001-11-22 Thread mean-green

[I've played around with an expensive version from another vendor.  It appeared to 
function (my dual mode CDMA PCS phone quickly became inopperative).  Range was limited 
due to low power output (about 12wm).  The circuits are very simple and the addition 
of an inexpensive 10-12db power amp stage for both the 1900 and 800 MHz bands would 
extend effective ranges to 50m or so.

This is a good candidate for anonymous cash sale.  It could become the next teen gota 
have prank product (the laser pointer "dotting" thing is about played out.)]

Jamming technology blocks cell phone rings 
By Reuters 
November 21, 2001, 10:00 a.m. PT 
HONG KONG--A Hong Kong company hopes to sell signal jamming technology, previously 
used by the military to thwart lethal missiles, to block annoying cell phone calls in 
places such as hospitals, places of worship and restaurants. 

http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-7942522.html?tag=lh




RE: IP: Wanna make biological weapons and take out cities? $10. (fwd)

2001-11-22 Thread jamesd

--
On 21 Nov 2001, at 16:37, Blanc wrote:
> But what I anticipate would happen at that point is another 
> Afghanistan, with ten thousand bloomin' territories full of 
> prickly warring tribes and war lords.
>
> The first thing which happens after a power vaccuum is 
> created is that another group steps in to "establish law 
> and order", with the acceptance, support, and relief of the 
> majority (coincidentally, right now it feels like the 
> Taliban is growing on these shores).
>
> History repeats itself.  What would prevent it from doing 
> so again?

Untrue:

The Taliban was not a spontaneous internal phenomemom, not a 
response to an outcry for law and order.  There were 
repeated, massive, and bloody efforts by foreign powers, 
primarily Pakistan, to "assist" the aghans in achieving law 
and order, and the Taliban is only the most recent, and most 
bloody, of these.

Far from reflecting a spontaneous desire for government, law 
and order, these various wannabe governments found it 
necessary to devastate and depopulate vast areas that they 
were unable to govern.

The Taliban was only able to achieve "law and order" with 
massive external support, and an ever increasing number of 
foreign troops backing it up.

The foreigners would first back one group to form a 
government, and that group would fail catastrophically with 
enormous bloodshed, then they would back another group, and 
that group would in turn fail catastrophically with vast 
bloodshed, huge areas devastated by scorched earth policies 
where they killed everyone who did not flee, then bulldozed 
the houses, dynamited the wells, filled in the irrigation 
ditches, attempting to make any area they could not govern an 
utterly barren wasteland where nothing would grow and no one 
would live, and then finally, after two very bloody tries, 
the foreigners attempting to create a government backed the 
Taliban on their third try.

As we speak, the British and American governments are 
quarreling because the British want to have another go, a 
fourth try.  Each try has been bloodier, and more
devastating, than the last. 

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Re: Denning's Geo-crypto

2001-11-22 Thread Eugene Leitl

On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Eugene Leitl wrote:

> Given that a GPS receiver gets ephemeris data, almanach data and
> pseudorandom code from each currently visible sat it has probably to do
> with the latter. Consider S/A (which may or may not be switched off now, I
> haven't checked): if you've got a secret part of the key you can refine
> your position despite deliberate degradation (selective availability) than
> the party without the key.

Forgot the URL: http://www.csr.utexas.edu/texas_pwv/midterm/gabor/gps.html

The PRN is a tapped feedback shift register.




No Thumbprint, No Rental Car

2001-11-22 Thread Steve Schear

No Thumbprint, No Rental Car
Dollar Rent A Car is currently making customers give a thumbprint before 
they give them the keys, another example of biometrics being used for ID 
purposes.
http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,48552,00.html




Re: Denning's Geo-crypto

2001-11-22 Thread Steve Schear

At 11:06 AM 11/22/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>Time Magazine, November 26, 2001:
>
>Denning's pioneering a new field she calls geo-encryption.
>Working with industry, Denning has developed a way to keep
>information undecipherable until it reaches its location, as
>determined by GPS satellites. Move studios, for example,
>have been afraid to release films digitally for the same reasons
>record companies hate Napster: once loose on the Internet,
>there's little to stop someone from posting the latest blockbuster
>DVD on the Web for all to see and download. With Denning's
>system, however, only subscribers in specified locations --
>such as movie theaters -- would be able to unscramble the
>data. The technology works as well for national security
>as it does for Harry Potter. Coded messages that the State
>Department sends to its embassies, for example, could only
>be deciphered in the embassy buildings themselves, greatly
>reducing the risk of interception.
>
>For now, Denning says, terrorists "may want to bring down
>the power grid or the finance system, but it's still easier to
>blow up a building." If she's right, it's due in large part to her.

I believe several patents have been filed for something along this line 
(e.g. tamper resistant GPS-smart cards).  Mostly to enable casino to 
satisfy state regulators that their clients are in permitted geographic 
locales.

steve




Re: Denning's Geo-crypto

2001-11-22 Thread Eugene Leitl

On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:

> Using a GPS coordinate set as keying material?  Hope it's just

Given that a GPS receiver gets ephemeris data, almanach data and
pseudorandom code from each currently visible sat it has probably to do
with the latter. Consider S/A (which may or may not be switched off now, I
haven't checked): if you've got a secret part of the key you can refine
your position despite deliberate degradation (selective availability) than
the party without the key.

> additional keying material.  Knowing the intended destination of
> something like a movie in transit to a theater seems pretty easy, and
> the set of GPS coordinates encompassing your average multiplex would
> seem to be pretty small compared to the usual keyspaces discussed
> here.




Re: Denning's Geo-crypto

2001-11-22 Thread Peter Wayner

At 11:06 AM -0800 11/22/01, John Young wrote:
>Time Magazine, November 26, 2001:

This is a fascinating idea, but problematic. The simplest approach
is easy to spoof. Let's say that you encrypt the data with the GPS coordinates
X. The software takes GPS coordinates from a GPS receiver and tries
to decrypt the data using these coordinates. Only someone at the
right place would be able to figure it out.

Naturally, this could be spoofed by replacing the GPS receiver
with one that spits out the right coordinates.

A better system might rely upon the signals from the satellites
themselves. The signals let the GPS receiver measure the
time the signal took to travel from the satellite to the receiver.
Knowing the distance from three or more satellites makes it
possible to triangulate and come up with the real location.

A more sophisticated system would encrypt the data with
these signals themselves. It might take the data coming from
satellites 1,2 and 3 at one particular instant. Only a person
in the right location would see the right values at that particular instant.

But I think this could be spoofed by time shifting the signals using
a TIVO-like mechanism. If you're not in the right location you
could pretend to be in another.

Maybe they have a more complicated mechanism. Or maybe
this is just FUD.

-Peter



>
>Denning's pioneering a new field she calls geo-encryption.
>Working with industry, Denning has developed a way to keep
>information undecipherable until it reaches its location, as
>determined by GPS satellites. Move studios, for example,
>have been afraid to release films digitally for the same reasons
>record companies hate Napster: once loose on the Internet,
>there's little to stop someone from posting the latest blockbuster
>DVD on the Web for all to see and download. With Denning's
>system, however, only subscribers in specified locations --
>such as movie theaters -- would be able to unscramble the
>data. The technology works as well for national security
>as it does for Harry Potter. Coded messages that the State
>Department sends to its embassies, for example, could only
>be deciphered in the embassy buildings themselves, greatly
>reducing the risk of interception.
>
>For now, Denning says, terrorists "may want to bring down
>the power grid or the finance system, but it's still easier to
>blow up a building." If she's right, it's due in large part to her.




RE: The Crypto-Financial Paradox

2001-11-22 Thread jamesd

--
On 21 Nov 2001, at 23:26, Ryan Lackey wrote:
> Bob Hettinga wrote:
>
> > Quoting "Blanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>":
>
> > > But sometimes it seems like it will be a Cold Day in  
> > > Hell before that happens.
>
> > > (Ryan, would you make this your next project?
> > >  We'd all appreciate it *ever* so much.)
>
> I think I've figured out why ecash hasn't been deployed.
>
> 1) "Math is hard!  Let's go shopping!" 2) Yet, ecash can be 
> used for shopping.
>
> The resulting paradox has rendered ecash a logical  
> impossibility :)
>
> > Not to un-swash his buckle, and all that, because he  
> > really deserves massive kudos for what he's done with  
> > HavenCo., but Ryan's already tried that, once before, on 
> > Anguilla, if we all remember, and it wasn't at all pretty 
> > (cf. Declan's articles earlier this year about the  
> > E-Gold/Systemics pissing contest).
>
> Twice, actually, if you count HINDE.

I never understood what went wrong in those plans -- I just  
saw people flaming each other and tuned out -- the cloud of  
misinformation was sufficient that I did missed the  
information, or neglected to separate it from the  
misinformation.

I carefully followed the failure of Mark Twain digicash, and 
understood why that failed.

Why did the various other attempts fail?

I recollect that when I checked various web pages, the  
software, in my humble opinion, simply sucked mightily --  
unacceptable user interface, so I perceived simple technical 
failure, or perhaps the software was never completed to the 
state that people optimistically described it as achieving.  
The flame war suggests some human failure that I failed to 
comprehend, which may have resulted in the technical failure,
or failure to complete the software Or perhaps the technical
failure led to human failure, as people blamed each other
rather than fixing it? 

--digsig
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Re: The Crypto-Financial Paradox

2001-11-22 Thread jamesd

--
On 21 Nov 2001, at 2:02, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
> This is nothing new for long-time subscribers to this list.
> As Eric Hughes kept saying when I first got here in 1994,
> it is immediate and final settlement that attracts the
> capital and payment system markets to cryptographic
> protocols like Chaum's blind signatures, and not 
> particularly anonymity.

People want immediate and final settlement when purchasing
rights over assets.   They do not want immediate and final
settlement when purchasing services, or goods that must be
physically delivered.  Rather, for physical delivery, they
want the final settlement to be as closely tied to actual
delivery as possible --they want the arbitration provided by
the credit card companies.

> So, as has ever been the case, whoever builds a robust, 
> instantly-settled, identity-independent,
> internet-ubiquitous transaction mechanism that actually
> works in production for assets people want to trade in
> large quantity is going to do quite well for themselves by
> saving the entire economy a whole lot of money

In such a system, the digital certificates must ultimately
reflect control over assets, in other words they must be
functionally equivalent to bearer bonds and, more
importantly, bearer shares.

Needless to say, bearer shares are illegal almost everywhere.

Any system that does what you describe must be located in a
haven, and will be met by great wrath.

Often repressive countries, notably Ireland and China, offer
very free market conditions to foreign investors, while
keeping the assets of their own nationals under rigid
control.  In this situation nationals furtively export their
capital, then reimport their capital under the appearance of
being foreign capital.   Havens are used to launder this
capital, and bearer shares and similar mechanisms are used by
the nationals to keep control over this seemingly foreign
capital.

Thus even if the system you describe is simply a more
efficient settlement system, it is also a system that will
immediately enable large numbers of people to illegally
escape repressive controls on capital.

Thus just as any genuinely privacy protecting micropayment
system will promptly be used to pay for child pornography,
any genuinely efficient assets trading mechanism will
immediately be used to escape governmental controls, and is
already illegal on that basis. 

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Re: Denning's Geo-crypto

2001-11-22 Thread Roy M. Silvernail

On 22 Nov 2001, at 11:06, John Young wrote:

> Time Magazine, November 26, 2001:
> 
> Denning's pioneering a new field she calls geo-encryption.
> Working with industry, Denning has developed a way to keep
> information undecipherable until it reaches its location, as
> determined by GPS satellites. 

Using a GPS coordinate set as keying material?  Hope it's just 
additional keying material.  Knowing the intended destination of 
something like a movie in transit to a theater seems pretty easy, 
and the set of GPS coordinates encompassing your average 
multiplex would seem to be pretty small compared to the usual 
keyspaces discussed here.
--
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DNRC Minister Plenipotentiary of All Things Confusing, Software Division
PGP Key 0x1AF39331 :  71D5 2EA2 4C27 D569  D96B BD40 D926 C05E
 Key available from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I charge to process unsolicited commercial email




Re: Denning's Geo-crypto

2001-11-22 Thread John Young

Google shows one "geo-encryption" patented by CoinCard,
which may or may not be a component of Denning's geo-crypto.
Because CoinCard is a Canadian company, its geo-encryption
may have nothing to do with Denning's.

CoinCard uses a system composed of a swipe card and passive 
card reader to decrypt, described in a programmers' manual:

  http://www.coincard.com/download/ProgrammerManual.pdf

It looks as though these readers could be rigged for GPS 
transceiving to assure that encrypted data was physically 
located where intended by the sender, and/or the recipient's 
card could be programmed to be read only by that card reader.

Is this a novel system? How to spoof GPS location? Can
bin Laden be in several caves around the world each equipped
with a personal-ID GPS passive transceiver? Do caves
serve as acoustic resonators to emit recorded whispers up 
ventilating shafts?

What underling was wearing Rumfeld's personal tracker on
9/11? Why was the SecDef frantically trying to recover it before
Mrs. Rumfeld's private investigators? And his secondary
tracker?




Re: IP: Wanna make biological weapons and take out cities? $10. (fwd)

2001-11-22 Thread Declan McCullagh

Nobody is saying that free expression includes inciting a riot or 
soliciting murder. But it does generally include the right to write a book 
(and read it) without being targeted by the government. What you wrote that 
raised eyebrows was this:

>I sure hope that the government is investigating and following each and every
>person who buys a copy of this book... I wonder if there's a way to force
>Tobiason to foot the bill for that security?

There are plenty of books I can think of -- almost all of the Loompanics 
catalog -- that would fret some government official. David Burnham's books 
on the IRS and DOJ abuses of power are another. But I hardly think it's 
consistent with the First Amendment to investigate the people who buy them, 
or make the authors pay "protection money" for the privilege of publishing.

Then you wrote in the message below:
>How many sets of these "terrorism cookbooks" do you let fall
>into the hands of psychotics?  We already don't sell guns to convicted 
>felons...
>  gee, that sounds to me like "prior restraint"... or do you think THAT's 
> wrong,
>too? There are some things that are so terrible that you simply can't wait to
>prosecute or criminalize until AFTER the fact of their happening.

My translation of that is "we must require background checks on people who 
buy books, newspapers, or magazines" that some FBI officials dislike. (I 
look forward to seeing how you'll extend this to the Internet. AdultCheck, 
anyone? How about posts on the cypherpunks list or other fora that include 
more scientific or technical information than you feel comfortable with?) 
My translation of your last sentence is "we must criminalize the 
publication of certain technical or scientific information just because 
some bad people may get their hands on it." Comparing background checks for 
gun purchasers (in an approving way) to background checks to books is just 
nutty.

Now do you see why your post is so at odds with the principles of a free 
society? If not, I'm not sure you're educable on this issue.

-Declan


At 02:33 AM 11/22/2001 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Clearly "gep2" does not understand principles of free expression
> >and limited government. A shame.
>
>I understand free expression and limited government just fine.
>
>Free expression does not include shouting "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre, 
>and it
>also doesn't include inciting a riot or soliciting murder.
>
>Unfortunately, there are plenty of lunatics and crazies in our society, 
>and you
>simply can't let those types of people have their finger on the nuclear 
>button
>(it's bad enough when our _President_ [especially THIS one] can do that).
>
>Some suicidal maniac or manic depressive (or even just mean drunk) could 
>easily
>just get pissed off and decide to take 100,000 or a million or something 
>other
>people out with him... we've had situations like that (snipers from the 
>tower at
>UT Austin, dispondent students in high schools, Timother McVeigh, and so
>forth... fortunately limited by their technical capability to kill on a 
>MASSIVE
>scale.)
>
>It's bad enough when someone like Osama bin Laden kills several thousands of
>people with hijacked airliners.  (At least there, there IS a response
>possible... for better or for worse... as we've seen).
>
>It's quite another matter when some maniac commits suicide and takes half a
>million or a million other people out with him.  (And how do you respond 
>THEN?
>Presuming here that you're talking about some right-wing wacko (American
>citizen!) who's already now dead?  Does the government just say, "Gee, isn't
>that just awful!"?  Or you do something to try to prevent it from happening
>BEFORE it does?)
>
>And if it DID happen... do you sit back and let some copycat then do it 
>again?
>And another do it AGAIN?  How many times do you just sit back and wring your
>hands in despair?  How many sets of these "terrorism cookbooks" do you let 
>fall
>into the hands of psychotics?  We already don't sell guns to convicted 
>felons...
>  gee, that sounds to me like "prior restraint"... or do you think THAT's 
> wrong,
>too?
>
>There are some things that are so terrible that you simply can't wait to
>prosecute or criminalize until AFTER the fact of their happening.
>
>Gordon Peterson  http://personal.terabites.com/
>Support the Anti-SPAM Amendment!  Join at http://www.cauce.org/
>12/19/98: Partisan Republicans scornfully ignore the voters they "represent".
>12/09/00: the date the Republican Party took down democracy in America.




Denning's Geo-crypto

2001-11-22 Thread John Young

Time Magazine, November 26, 2001:

Denning's pioneering a new field she calls geo-encryption.
Working with industry, Denning has developed a way to keep
information undecipherable until it reaches its location, as
determined by GPS satellites. Move studios, for example,
have been afraid to release films digitally for the same reasons
record companies hate Napster: once loose on the Internet,
there's little to stop someone from posting the latest blockbuster
DVD on the Web for all to see and download. With Denning's
system, however, only subscribers in specified locations --
such as movie theaters -- would be able to unscramble the
data. The technology works as well for national security
as it does for Harry Potter. Coded messages that the State
Department sends to its embassies, for example, could only
be deciphered in the embassy buildings themselves, greatly
reducing the risk of interception.

For now, Denning says, terrorists "may want to bring down
the power grid or the finance system, but it's still easier to
blow up a building." If she's right, it's due in large part to her.




Re: The Crypto Winter

2001-11-22 Thread Adam Shostack

On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 11:46:45AM -0800, Tim May wrote:
| On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 10:29 AM, Adam Shostack wrote:
| > | 6. The failure to get true digital money. Call it what you like,
| > | "digital cash" or "ecash" or even one of Hettinga's pet names, but the
| > | fact is that for both political and technical reasons we don't have
| > | digital cash. This has ripple effects for nearly all of the constructs
| > [...]
| > | This failure to get workable untraceable digital cash (true 2-way
| > | untraceable, not the bastardized, banker-friendly, government-friendly
| > | one-way untraceable form) is the _deep_ reason things are stagnating.
| >
| > Sad as it makes me, I don't know of any system which allows 2-way
| > untracability and fraud prevention.  Can you point me to one?  With
| > trustworthy reputation systems, you might be able to get away from
| > this problem.  I don't know of any reputation system that I'd trust
| > for a multi-hundred dollar transaction today.
| 
| 
| Doesn't the Barnes/Goldberg "moneychanging" protocol effectively 
| symmetrize the untraceability?

Yes.  I think there are reasonably simple, and unblockable ways to make 2-way
untracable any "open" ecash system, where, like cash, everyone is a
merchant.  But not that I said untracability and fraud prevention, and 
its really the latter half that I think is hard to solve.

| There are issues of one party receiving part or all of the items being 
| transferred and then burning the other party. And if the items, whether 
| ecash or software or whatever, require later authorization/turn on to 
| complete the transaction, there are further burning opportunities. (Note 
| that this is not a problem unique to digital cash. There are always 
| prospects for a merchant taking the money and then saying "Bye," or "I 
| already gave you the stuff." Or delivering defective products. This is a 
| kind of "handover deadlock" which, nonetheless, has not halted commerce 
| of various kinds. Even at flea markets, where the sellers and buyers are 
| largely anonymous. I realize that digital commerce systems have higher 
| requirements, for the same (basic ontology of the world) reasons that 
| security flaws in digital systems may be exploited far more rapidly and 
| devastatingly than, for example, a security flaw at my house.)

This is the risk; we disagree on the solution.  Buyers and sellers at
flea markets are not untracable or unlinkable in the sense that is
possible with a MIX.  If I give you money at a flea market, I can
stand there and yell and scream if you then don't give me the goods.
Its hard to abandon your table of stuff and flee if you don't want to
settle.  Thats not the case with a bi-directional, fully anonymous
market.

| My _intuition_ is that an ecology of agents each exchanging digital 
| money, even if the system in only uni-directionally untraceable, with 
| "anyone a mint," goes a long way toward solving the problem. Squares the 
| circle, so to speak. Throw in escrow agents and intermediate holders, 
| bonded with nyms, and I see no particular reason why two-way 
| untraceability is not feasible.

I'm very fond of market solutions for problems.  When dealing with
money, the fundamental things that you can trade are liquidity and
risk.  Banks loan money and accept a risk of non-payment.  They set
their interest rates such that, having spent time evaluating the risk,
they expect to make money.  (Dan Geer wrote a nice essay on this
subject for a talk at DCSB in November 98).  Banks use a multitude of
methods to control and manage risks, and at the end of most of those
methods is that, with sufficient energy, you can track down a person
or legal entity to get a refund of your payments.  Thats not generally
how they work; usually they try up front to ensure that the inbound
money is good, via tools like certified transfers and letters of
introduction and credit, etc.  (Frank Abagnale exploited this, and
tells his story in the enjoyable and worthwhile "Catch me if you
can.")  Over time, or with collateral, a bank will loan you money.
Some will loan you money sight unseen, based on a risk calculation.

But back to ecash.  Who will assume risk for an anonymous merchant?
(No one needs to assume risk on the withdrawl; in all systems, you
withdraw from an account, and in the good systems, blind the coins
so the bank doesn't know what coins came from what account.  The bank
can decide if its going to let you get valid coins.)  The risk is not
that the merchant is getting bad money; thats controllable; the risk
is that the merchant is not delivering the goods.  Given the merchants 
ability to completely disappear, who can sensibly offer a risk
guarantee?  There are ways that someone might be able to offer a
guarantee; for example, require that the merchant post a bond.
However, that doesn't work; complete anonymity incurs delays and
bandwidth costs, and it will be possible to scale an attack such that
the merchant walks off

Re: Gold

2001-11-22 Thread Julian Assange

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> Whoops ! Yes I meant Douglas Adams ( My punishment: To be damned to heck and
> forced to listen to Vogon Poetry).
> 
> -Neil

You have certainly come to the right place for it.

--
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   |together to collect wood or assign them tasks and
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Re: why market to Joe Sixpack?

2001-11-22 Thread Adam Shostack

On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 11:51:04PM -0500, dmolnar wrote:
| Declan's comment on operating a physical remailer for suitably valuable
| cargo, plus some of Tim's recent comments about integration, made me think
| of the question in the subject line. So far I see at least three possible
| answers.
| 
| 1) Make lots of money.
| 
| 2) Spread awareness (that "funny feeling in the stomach" recently
| discussed) and save our fellow man. Make the world safe for privacy.
| 
| 3) Ensure that cryptography and privacy-enhancing technologies have uses
| besides "Four Horsemen of the Infocalypse," so that they aren't banned.
| 
| anything else?

Ensure that the anonymity set is large enough to make analysis hard.
With small sets, you lose to simple correlation attacks.  (For
example, Alice sent messages to the MIX at these times; Bob got
messages at these times.  That Alice operates a node is scant
protection, it simply means that some set of messages come out
uncorrelated with input, and are thus correlated to one of the 40-odd
remailer operators.)

To Sandy's point about costs, yes, its nice for the stuff to be cheap
to use, but Tim is right that people fly to Geneva to get privacy.
(There's a recurring story that the Mass state police used to drive up
to the cheaper New Hampshire state liquor store on the border to note
plate numbers of people driving north to save on the rediculous direct 
and indirect taxes that Mass puts on booze, until such time as the NH
state police arrested them for loitering.  Do IRS agents loiter in
certain airports?  A large anonymity set is your friend, and is almost 
always necessary, but not sufficient.)


Adam


-- 
"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once."
   -Hume




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RE: why market to Joe Sixpack?,

2001-11-22 Thread mattd

"efforts are better spent developing the technologies and markets in such a 
way that maybe Joe Sixpack will someday follow. "
Tim wrote.

Technologies like quantum computing could be to late/impossible/to 
expensive.Markets seem more promising even in freeloaders heaven,the 
web,plenty will pay for games.Theres a take off of the IMF/WTOvs 
demonstrators battles so why not
a cypherpunks vs the evil feds game on X-box or gameboy?Some of the more 
exciting and futuristic applications of cryptoanarchy could be on the 
higher levels.The base game simply being how much you can get away with 
before being frogmarched off to 'happy fun court'.
Ive got a funny feeling that P-P hordes are about to descend on crypto like 
locusts,anyone else?




Re: IP: Wanna make biological weapons and take out cities? $10. (fwd)

2001-11-22 Thread Riad S. Wahby

Eugene Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For archives see:
> http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/

A quick Google found the following:

http://www.kscourts.org/ca10/cases/2001/07/99-3355.htm

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Riad Wahby
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MIT VI-2/A 2002




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2001-11-22 Thread road





Suppose we won the war but lost our freedom

2001-11-22 Thread CDR Anonymizer

Tuesday 20 Nov 2001

www.dailytelegraph.com/opinion

Suppose we won the war but lost our freedom

By Robert Harris

News: Judgment day for law against blasphemy

ONE evening in August 1942, as Adolf Hitler took dinner with his 
staff, his thoughts turned to the likely shape of the world after a 
German victory. Could this empire of his actually endure? He was 
confident it would: "People sometimes say to me: 'Be careful! You 
will have 20 years of guerrilla warfare on your hands!' I am 
delighted at the prospect! . . . Germany will remain in a state of 
perpetual alertness."

This remark, contained in Hitler's Table Talk, made a great 
impression on me when I first read it 15 years ago (I used it as an 
epigraph to my novel Fatherland) and it has acquired still greater 
resonance since September 11. At the moment, Western leaders are 
talking about a campaign against terror that might last 50 years; 
Hitler guessed that the Third Reich's struggle to suppress terrorism 
would last even longer: "We may have a hundred years of struggle 
before us; if so, all the better - it will prevent us from going to 
sleep!"

Obviously, there isn't much comparison between Hitler's definition of 
terrorism and ours. He was envisaging a threat emerging from those 
nations that he had conquered in the East and subsequently filled 
with German settlers. And his police methods would have been 
immensely more brutal than those of America: the Luftwaffe wouldn't 
exactly have been dropping peanut butter and chocolate bars over its 
target zones, and Ribbentrop certainly wouldn't have been working 
night and day to restore a democratic government.

Nevertheless, there is a slight sense - how can one put it 
delicately? - that the Führer was on to something. All governments, 
be they elected or imposed, strive ceaselessly to maximise their 
power, and never is this more easily done than during wartime. In 
Britain, as A J P Taylor observed in English History 1914-1945, this 
process began during the First World War, when "the state established 
a hold over its citizens which, though relaxed in peacetime, was 
never to be removed and which the Second World War was again to 
increase".

Terrorist wars are, if anything, even more insidious, for there is 
never any definite victory after which pre-war conditions can once 
again prevail. The conflict is endless: populations, in Hitler's 
lip-smacking phrase, must always "remain in a state of perpetual 
alertness". If the Government's proposed new powers of arrest and 
detention, interception and suppression are pushed through, we may 
take it as absolutely certain that the rights that are being taken 
away will never be restored. That is the lesson not only of 1914 and 
1939, but of 1911 (the Official Secrets Act) and 1974 (the Prevention 
of Terrorism Act).

All this comes at what may be a turning-point in human history. One 
of the most successful weapons of the Afghan war is something called 
a Predator UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle), operated not by the 
American military but by the CIA. This missile-armed, pilotless spy 
plane flies quietly and slowly through enemy airspace and transmits 
pictures back to US Central Command in Florida and to the CIA 
headquarters in Virginia.

It was a Predator that, on the first night of the war, took a 
photograph of Mullah Omar's car fleeing Kabul (a photograph of the 
numberplate was later dropped over Taliban positions as part of 
America's psychological warfare operations). It was also a Predator, 
we are told, that last week followed Osama bin Laden's deputy, 
Muhammed Atef, to a hotel where he met the senior leadership of 
al-Qa'eda. CIA officials watched the pictures, waited until everyone 
was inside, and then called up three F-15s to destroy the hotel.

The point here is not the destruction of Mr Atef and his chums, for 
whom few need shed a tear, but the sophistication of American 
technology, of which the Predator is but one example. Total 
surveillance cover, the ability to intercept every satellite phone 
call (and, in the West, every cell phone conversation, too), 
infra-red imaging, computerised voice- and image-recognition, 
near-instantaneous data retrieval - whatever is going on in 
Afghanistan, it is certainly not the sort of war we are used to. 
Every commentator on this conflict - and I write as one who supports 
it - seems to have got it wrong. What's frightening isn't the 
prospect of the Americans becoming bogged down, as in Vietnam; what's 
frightening is the almost contemptuous ease with which they are 
winning it.

And what can be done on the battlefield can be done with equal 
efficiency on the home front. I do not mean that David Blunkett 
intends to have Predators cruising up and down above British 
motorways (although I wouldn't put it past him), but rather that the 
new technologies have the potential to destroy human privacy, and the 
Government now means to exploit the situation under cover of fighting 
terroris

memo

2001-11-22 Thread Leona Wing


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