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Jim Bell update: AP author moved to Lompoc federal prison
Jim Bell photos: http://www.mccullagh.org/cgi-bin/photosearch.cgi?name=jim+bell Day-by-day articles on Jim Bell's trial: http://www.cluebot.com/search.pl?topic=ap-politics --- http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,48779,00.html One of the Internet's most famous essayists is now in the same prison that once housed the most famous hacker. Jim Bell, the author of Assassination Politics, has been moved to the Lompoc (lahm-poke), California federal prison. It's the same place that convicted cracker Kevin Mitnick once called home. I'm assigned out in the rec yard, the recreation yard, but there's really not much work to be done, occasionally picking up a cigarette butt or two, says Bell, who was sentenced to 10 years in prison this year for allegedly stalking federal agents. Bell says he was trying to investigate government wrongdoing. Bell describes Lompoc, located between Los Angeles and San Francisco, as old and decrepit, and the place is corrupt and the guards are lazy. Previously, Bell was being held at the SeaTac prison near Tacoma, Washington, where his trial took place. Since he's got some time to kill, Bell has busied himself by filing civil lawsuits against people he alleges were involved in an orchestrated plot to deny him a fair trial and an unbiased, court-appointed defense counsel. So far he's targeted two judges, at least two prosecutors, and his former probation officers and defense attorneys. Bell says he hasn't had any response yet -- and is going to try to obtain a default judgment against the defendants. I continue to remain astonished that I haven't received any answer out of my lawsuit yet. It doesn't bother me as long as I collect the money. I think I've hit a nerve. He's looking forward to garnishment and putting liens on various people's property. If they wanted to write me a check, I'd take a check, I guess. But if they want me to go through the usual methods to collect it, I'll do that too.
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Re: dead reporter found in motel
On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, mattd wrote: snip That's the first thing you have ever written that was genuinely worth reading! Keep practicing, and in three or four hundred years you could be the GreatGreatReallyGreatGrandsonOfGomez(tM). -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Dead reporter found in motel
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Re: Moving beyond Reputation--the Market View of Reality
Right. Now the seller has the cash, and the buyer has nothing. The seller has lost only the future value of the nym, which was presumably accounted for in the price. The seller loses no real reputation, because the nym can't be tied back to the is-a-person seller. The buyer, meanwhile, is out the price of the nym, and must either destroy the nym in order to ensure that the seller actually loses all that value, or accept damaged goods. So, why would a buyer agree to such a transaction, where he will remain at the mercy of the seller? Or is this 'one born every minute' economics? Adam On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 02:43:54PM -0500, Sunder wrote: | Following which the buyer posts all the signed emails between self and | seller detailing the fraudulent transaction. | | --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- | + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ | \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ | --*--:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ | /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ | + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net | | On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Adam Shostack wrote: | | Following which, Alice pulls out the pre-dated revocation certificate, | and generates confusion as to the validity of Bob's key change message. | | Duh, indeed. | | Adam | | On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:34:53PM -0500, Sunder wrote: | | Simple. Once the buyer has the keys she issues an email saying I'm | | changing my keys, here's the new public key and signs it with the old key | | - thus proving that the nym's original message was valid, thus | | invalidating the old one. Duh! | | | | | | --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- | | + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ | | \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ | | --*--:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ | | /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ | | + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net | | | | On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Adam Shostack wrote: | | | | On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:14:13PM -0800, Wei Dai wrote: | | | On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:53:02PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | | Even this is not a scalar. Since reputation cannot be bought | | | and sold, the idea that it is worth a specific well defined amount is | | | false. | | | | | | If you own a nym, you can easily sell its reputation. Just give the | | | private key to the buyer. | | | | How does the buyer ensure that I haven't kept a copy? If what I'm | | selling is a nym, then without the nym, I am anonymous. Adding layers | | of nymity for reputation with partial disclosure seems a complex and | | failure-prone approach. | | | | Adam | | | | -- | | It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once. | | -Hume | | -- | It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once. | -Hume | | | -- It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once. -Hume
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Re: Further thoughts on Reputation Capital systems and implementation
On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:00:33PM -0500, Sunder wrote: | | Say Tim has a repcap of 600, say Declan has 500, and Sandy has 400. Then | I add +1 * 500/X from Declan's repcap and +1 *400/X to Tim's repcap, so | now my cache of Tim's repcap might jump to 620. Interesting idea. I proposed something very similar in http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1994/09/msg00313.html Raph demonstrated a bit later that the system could be forced into oscilation and had other problems, although that might have been in person, not on list. Adam -- Imminent death of the list predicted. Film already in the archives, 11/95.
RE: fuel injected firearm
On 30 Nov 2001, at 11:04, Trei, Peter wrote: 2. Liquid propellant guns (search on that term) are well developed for artillary, but I don't know of any light weapons which use this. LPGs are kind of neat in howitzer type applications because (1) A tank of propellant a rack of projectiles takes less space than cased solid propellant shells, so you can carry more ammo, and (2) you can vary the propellant from shot to shot based on emergent conditions. One neat hack is 'time on target' in which a series of rounds are fired in quick succession, at different elevations and propellant load so they all arrive at the target simultaneously. (the LPG liquid propellant does not need an added oxidizer). So far, liquid propellant guns have been far more dangerous to those firing them than to those they have been fired at.
Re: Dead reporter found in motel
At 6:17 AM +1100 on 12/2/01, mattd wrote: US Office of Technology Assessment OTA was killed by Gingrich almost as soon as it was possible for him to do so, say, 1992... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Moving beyond Reputation--the Market View of Reality
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- At 1:19 PM -0500 on 12/1/01, Adam Shostack wrote: Right. Now the seller has the cash, and the buyer has nothing. The seller has lost only the future value of the nym, which was presumably accounted for in the price. The seller loses no real reputation, because the nym can't be tied back to the is-a-person seller. The buyer, meanwhile, is out the price of the nym, and must either destroy the nym in order to ensure that the seller actually loses all that value, or accept damaged goods. So, why would a buyer agree to such a transaction, where he will remain at the mercy of the seller? I look at nyms as a contingent claim on some asset, which should be handled just as any other security. Certainly you can destroy the value of a nym, just like you can any real property, but it might be better not to do that. I agree with something that Wei Dai said a long time ago that any nym would only be worth it's ability to control some independantly-verified asset, though, which, frankly, is as it should be when you think about it. Just to sort of thrash things a bit, in a capital markets transaction, an exchange isn't such a hard thing to do, in the sense that a secondary bearer-form asset transaction (primary is like an IPO, or, for cash, a collateral asset conversion like an ATM transaction), cash for bond, say, would require the participation of the underwriters in the exchange protocol. viz, with apologies for my ascii art, Uc /\|\ / | \ / | \ / |\ /|\/ BbSb /\| / \|/ \ | / \ | / \ |\/ Ub Uc = Underwriter of cash Bb = Buyer of bond Sb = Seller of bond Ub = Underwriter of bond At primary issuance, a trustee is involved, so, that probably supervises the Underwriter, who ever it is owns the underwriting engine. The above should hold for all kinds of unique, uncopyable things, teleoperated surgery, or opinions, for instance. I expect, for physical goods, some variant of this model holds, because there's someone responsible for the physical supervision of a given asset with a net-based audit/authentication of that supervision of some kind, signed video, or whatever. For software, in the Gary Becker sense of something that can be copied, all we're really looking for is something which authenticates that a given copy of an information good is in fact signed by the person proported to be the author of that information/content/code. Coupled with a decent third-party time-signature mechanism, you're fine, because, after the first copy, such a good is a purely fungible commodity ala Hughes' Institutional Piracy, or the Agoric guys' digital silk road, or my recursive geodesic auction stuff. Such situations are classic examples of so-called perfect competition, as found in physical graded-commodity markets everywhere. So, if we're looking at case 1, where there's a uniquely identified digital good, like a financial instrument, we're covered enough for a market to function because the underwriter supervises the transaction, and the trustee/custodian supervises the underwriter. Collusion gets harder with more conspirators, which we all know from our first year accounting class. If you exhaust the prices of the transaction by selling that data sans participants, but with a sufficiently granular time stamp, that would probably complete whatever control loops are needed to make the transaction safe. If we're doing signed but fungible digital good, we're covered because we're looking for something that other people have and you're purchasing based on (probably multiple) published opinion, including a digital signature of the good in question. Finally, if you're doing a physical good with a digital title in bearer form, you can, of course, look at the thing in the warehouse, or in transit, or whatever. There. How's that sound? Cheers, RAH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 iQEVAwUBPAk9wcUCGwxmWcHhAQEY1QgAmjb2Uf7Ys4sNxgtoFRi7Pd18tz3szvQV DEeub8u1B7rNmc+CGBIcgz4xBn0axjVFpD2T1BNm6Xccs8DAqKb/DffiI8A8f7ZF ILeRogf2gTUA9yirmvVf1SIS90J7j+LzFLbleaqx7AngYWQxurqdUWOqlofrjqs1 CHiSRj889fdQ9l1qRBcbDkEHhzR/dSqHyzLYmwm1BurJeQdBfwWZ7yUtLbrsWr/1 EqJVkKlwY4zzJTqdstw72zITSv5lGqDKg5yZtV2c+J1Zcu4V57GCImCwqRMPDcKh bY0WGCZDhYgRUQaH8TFLeaxxIEPSQAP4/rRq4hNaVO1AYI9TV38QCg== =ccef -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Moving beyond Reputation--the Market View of Reality
-- On 1 Dec 2001, at 8:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm surprised I've gotten so much disagreement over this, particularly since my original statement was much weaker than it could have been. For reputation to have a single well defined value it is necessary but not sufficient that there be a market in reputations; it must be a COMMODITIZED market. Not so. Something has a single well defined value to its possessor without any need for it to be commoditized. For an item to have a single well defined market value it needs to be commoditized, but that is a different issue. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG U5GMQeSNlQCQl5JIYhGl4zYPDycgMVdHUxmfk+l2 4S5Ss0+J1kdE7tCI/aRLeU8oLqXOwYgyIK3jX5qqJ
Re: Moving beyond Reputation--the Market View of Reality
On 1 Dec 2001, at 12:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- On 1 Dec 2001, at 8:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm surprised I've gotten so much disagreement over this, particularly since my original statement was much weaker than it could have been. For reputation to have a single well defined value it is necessary but not sufficient that there be a market in reputations; it must be a COMMODITIZED market. Not so. Something has a single well defined value to its possessor without any need for it to be commoditized. For an item to have a single well defined market value it needs to be commoditized, but that is a different issue. We're not disagreeing. By a single value I meant a universally agreed upon value. It's likely true that the owner of any item will have a single value that he thinks he'll be out if that item is destroyed (I can't see how there could be more than one), but unless the item is a commodity, nobody else will know for sure what that value is. George --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG U5GMQeSNlQCQl5JIYhGl4zYPDycgMVdHUxmfk+l2 4S5Ss0+J1kdE7tCI/aRLeU8oLqXOwYgyIK3jX5qqJ
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On Saturday, December 1, 2001, at 01:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1 Dec 2001, at 12:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- On 1 Dec 2001, at 8:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm surprised I've gotten so much disagreement over this, particularly since my original statement was much weaker than it could have been. For reputation to have a single well defined value it is necessary but not sufficient that there be a market in reputations; it must be a COMMODITIZED market. Not so. Something has a single well defined value to its possessor without any need for it to be commoditized. For an item to have a single well defined market value it needs to be commoditized, but that is a different issue. We're not disagreeing. By a single value I meant a universally agreed upon value. If there is a universally agreed upon value for something, and someone values it differently, is it still universal? Nope. What there may be are market-clearing prices, in various markets and at various times, but this has nothing to do with universally agreed-upon values. --Tim May The State is the great fiction by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else. --Frederic Bastiat
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Re: Moving beyond Reputation--the Market View of Reality
At 1:46 PM -0800 on 12/1/01, Tim May wrote: What there may be are market-clearing prices, in various markets and at various times, but this has nothing to do with universally agreed-upon values. Amen. The worth of anything is what the market pays for it. Period. I expect that reputation is something very close to goodwill, which is a polite accounting fiction to deal with the fact that the calculated worth, of an asset as carried on the books of a purchased entity, is less than what the market paid for it. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Moving beyond Reputation--the Market View of Reality
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- At 6:09 PM -0500 on 12/1/01, R. A. Hettinga wrote: I expect that reputation is something very close to goodwill, which is a polite accounting fiction to deal with the fact that the calculated worth, of an asset as carried on the books of a purchased entity, is less than what the market paid for it. To go a little further, that calculation, like depreciation, is usually done at the behest of some taxing authority or another. (No, not always, of course -- transferring an asset's ownership on the books of one component of the same enterprise to another with its own books, and then accounting for that on the books of the whole enterprise, called transfer pricing, is one of the core problems of finance, a problem which led to much of what we call modern finance, including a Nobel or two...) Depreciation of an asset is usually a marvellous way for government to control a business, since, of course, the amortization/depreciation of capital against a revenue stream is pretty much what the average large industrial concern is about. Accounting for goodwill has caused the most bizarre regulatory-driven book-keeping shenanigans than practically anything else. Irony is a wonderful thing, however. It may be that if we can figure out how to do bearer ownership of assets, using various blinded, or mostly blinded cryptographic transaction protocols, we'll collapse the difference between calculated asset value, ala depreciation, transfer-pricing, and goodwill, and the *real* value of something, which is its price, discovered in a free market. The more I've thought about this over the past few years, the more I think that reputation as a *calculated* value, is probably a wild-goose chase. But you can't blame a bunch of crypto-engineers for trying, I suppose. Cheers, RAH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 iQEVAwUBPAl1IMUCGwxmWcHhAQHokwgAlGPp34cjDJxMYoPs9V5T5Jif6sn6P1zH suWRYqDCxpK7J9iOLHLfUSQEAUzdnenrrImuUeDqmbyoPMQ8Az+XUv+h65gwNjrG g8z87tzykVzS8DD2vDfhUl+h4aWvWq559W1A9tcQCQwC+Qh2a84LejJD76FDZX9F k0t3kxNO75obC22VTCuL2jwbFrssDKyQp51dGC5hSQIvV7QITu+ywY8UKObwiM99 30FvVDX3tqDpzJ03Ok4KgoSHG4Dp+lo3yreNKqv4UR/zIY2+E5JfzUg4Gvz6nBrc LvNiTOTJTKbca54Xn7QFwkicpJb77haV89Apvc1EgOshBVbIIUtPZQ== =OXo7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: CDR: It's for the sake of the Chiiiiildren.
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Re: Moving beyond Reputation--the Market View of Reality
At 08:18 AM 12/1/01 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30 Nov 2001, at 22:05, Petro wrote: What makes you think a reputation cannot be bought and sold? Ever hear of Public Relations firms? Politicians? Both are in the business of buying and selling reputations. Not exactly. You can pay a PR firm to try and help improve your reputation, but that's not the same thing a reputation pre-assembled and gift wrapped. Most likely they'll just tell you to wear more earth tones, which won't actually help. George, Petro is *way* off here. A PR firm/psyop division can only try to promote an opinion. They cannot control others' estimations of their clients' reputations. Consider a PR firm that fucks up. A pile of little baby arms, to excerpt Coppola. Yes, a good psyop operation can deny negative information, promote the positive, and thereby influence the population. That is a matter of information flow control; the reps (which are distributed in the minds of subscribers) are not directly controlled. I suggest recognizing the distinction between controlling info and slant (psyops and Dan Rather and Turner and Murdoch, I don't actually follow that stuff) and controlling reps which can't be done directly (but which can be measured). The fact that info slant *can* influence distributed reps is why psyops folks have jobs. Finally the reps which can (or can't) be bought and sold (the subject of an amazingly advanced thread, presently) is distinct from control of info and reps thereof. Petro is unfortunately mixing 'selling-of-nym-reps' with 'PR's effect of reps in a given population'. With all due respect.
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On Saturday, December 1, 2001, at 07:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Bush quote, please :) (Assuming Bush said it.) Which one? --Tim May Mugabe said it, based on reporting last night on CNN. (Not a word for word quote, but faithful to the meaning.) Bush might well have said it, as more and more classes of people are now classed as terrorists, the new pass phrase to the Constitution. --Tim May, Occupied America They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759.
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