Re: Quantum encryption hazard
-- On 12 Dec 2001, at 7:11, mattd wrote: > Quantum mechanics based on heisenbergs uncertainty > principal is under attack.The two slit experiment has > another explanation that even revives 'ether' I am happy to observe that the intellectual level of the remaining socialists has been sliding downhill rapidly since the fall of the Soviet Union. Hey mattd, better get moving or you will miss your ride on the comet. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG xV01avOvGdk9uFiNYAZ0peoqSalLt2RlpmuY+DBt 4OgaYScm4fBba/rcg7Ft4mB2RMJSptAfORXJGJVRe
Re: AP Al Qaeda
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 08:20:25PM +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: > Taxes (much higher than before due to the greater expenses of operating > the government) could be charged based on imputed property values > depending on zip code and acreage. Everyone in a particular neighborhood > would be charged a fixed amount per square foot. Any household which > does not provide the required fee (via cryptographic anonymous transfer > into the government account of course) would have its property subject > to confiscation by police. Armed resistance would be met by military > force including helicopter gunships. Without getting into any AP discussion, I would point out that there are some positive things to be said about turning to property taxes. Also, if you fail to pay your property tax now, it will (in extremis) be confiscated. Armed resistance to confiscation would be met by escalation, including, if necessary, military helicopters. -Declan
Re: CNN.com on Remailers
On Tuesday, December 11, 2001, at 09:41 PM, Len Sassaman wrote: > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Tim May wrote: > >> [The "prompted a bunch of programmers to rethink" comment has it all >> backwards. Chained remailers were deployed in 1992. The theory was >> known from Chaum's 1981 paper, and the flaws in the >> Kremvax/Kleinpaste/Julf/Penet type of approach were widely known: this >> was why chained remailers, in multiple jurisdictions, were deployed. >> Hal Finney wrote the first code for this, building on the >> Perl/Sendmail scripts Eric Hughes had already released.] > > The quoted portion is basically accurate (true to what I said), but I > was > talking about theoretical attacks at that point. I think I said > something > along the lines of: > > "The cypherpunks developed a system based on the ideas in Chaum's 1981 > paper. Penet-style remailers were potentially vulnerable to hackers and > court orders, which in fact ended up being the downfall of > anon.penet.fi. > These problems prompted them to build better remailers." > > I had this post up my screen when I was talking to him: > http://www.inet- > one.com/cypherpunks/dir.1997.05.29-1997.06.04/msg00310.html > > Penet was *in operation* prior to Eric and Hal's chained remailers, > right? > If not, then that's my error. The Kleinpaste/Julf anonymizing service had been in operation, widely, since 1991-2, before Cypherpunks, yes. The CNN article is enormously misleading in many areas. The suggestiong that Lance Cottrell used the Julf experience to add nested encryption is false. The URL you quote above is one of the most detailed histories of remailers, even if I do say so myself. (Thanks for reminding me/us of it.) From your recollection of what you said to the reporter, it looks like the misunderstanding came from his thinking that the actual Penet failure was what triggered the modern remailer approach, when in fact you meant "these problems" in the sense that Chaum and others (us) realized the obvious limitations of "anonymity services." And apparently the reporter then spun a story about how Lance Cottrell then invented message nesting, etc., all after the Penet failure. This is completely backwards. (It's not just the inaccuracy, or giving Lance too much credit...it's also that it makes it look as if we missed something so utterly obvious, that we were blindsided by the legal attack. Not so. And Chaum knew this at least as far back as '81.) In the big scheme of things, maybe no one who matters will read the CNN article. But it is false history and should be refuted. If not refuted, future historians who write about this interesting period may use it as primary source material. If it isn't apparent, I make these points to correct the record, not to criticize Len, Lance, Julf, or anyone else. But as the URL above points out, we were fully aware of the problems with Kleinpaste/Julf-style services and knew they were neither interesting from our point of view or a stable basis for what we were seeking to build. --Tim May "Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound"
Re: "Spoiling" digital cash
-- On 10 Dec 2001, at 16:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > An idea just popped into my head, I was wondering if anyone > had thought of this before. Most likely someone has, and > has either proven the idea is impossible or has figured out > how to do it. > > Th idea is, when buying some good or service with digital > cash, the customer first forwards the cash to the vendor > in some transformed way such that the vendor can't yet > spend it, but can verify that it is good cash of the > correct amount, and that the customer will no longer be > able to spend it. > > The idea is, if the vendor follows through on his side, the > customer will supply the additional information the vendor > will need to redeem the cash. The customer can still rip > the vendor off by refusing to do so, but he has no > incentive, the money's already gone for him. Conversely, > an unscrupulous "vendor" could in principle trick a > customer into throwing away money on nothing, but he would > gain no profit in doing so. Vendor creates and blinds some tokens. Asks buyer to have them signed by money issuer. Money issuer signs them, and issues declaration that they have been signed. Buyer gives vendor the declaration, but not signatures. After delivery, gives signatures. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG vNpp48iuJszNXUqQ3P9/e7GUOEcHXoIDo33hfuKd 4xRG9QbdRJM31N1Lt+bhH55JK5VQWVorCJq0o7gAp
Re: UPI editor: dissent is like soviet propoganda
Of course there are other considerations in a settlement, such as avoiding bad publicity -- even if you think you might win a case by arguing you made a mistake but it was not malicious. But you know that. I expect this will be my last message in the thread. -Declan At 10:13 PM 12/11/2001 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >CNN edited interviews with people so as to make them appear >to admit to war crimes commited against civilians during the >Vietnam war, when the full transcript showed no such >admissions. Those people threatened to sue. CNN then paid >those people large sums of money in settlement of threatened >libel suits. Under America's extremely liberal libel laws, >CNN would not have done so unless those defamed had a good >case of malicious libel.
Re: UPI editor: dissent is like soviet propoganda
-- On 11 Dec 2001, at 12:20, Declan McCullagh wrote: > Well, by your standards, any journalist who makes an > innocent mistake would be a liar. CNN edited interviews with people so as to make them appear to admit to war crimes commited against civilians during the Vietnam war, when the full transcript showed no such admissions. Those people threatened to sue. CNN then paid those people large sums of money in settlement of threatened libel suits. Under America's extremely liberal libel laws, CNN would not have done so unless those defamed had a good case of malicious libel. > I think the truth is that the reporters honestly believed > they had a solid story If they believed that, why then did they falsify the interviews? The reporters may well have honestly believed that the US used nerve gas to massacre civilians during the Vietnam war, but they did not believe they had evidence for this that they could show to the public. So their perhaps honestly held beliefs justified them in their own minds, in lying to the public, in fabricating evidence that they did not possess. If that was their rationalization then this was a classic example of the vision of the anointed. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG BTQftYHIf8GtXCl4n9FZfxmMwvBd3TChGeVZEFDC 4n0C1INs3LyzmQTF0zJYUiz0kZ7tFH7DNS1G9gLm5
Re: CNN.com on Remailers
"So far, U.S. and European authorities battling terrorism and cybercrime have apparently focused their surveillance elsewhere. The FBI and the National Security Agency, which monitors international telecommunications, declined to comment on what strategy, if any, they have for dealing with remailers." That would have made the article much more interesting.. What *is* the FBI/etc.'s strategy on dealing with remailers, other than ignoring them (and hoping that anti-spam/anti-terror legislation will make them illegal?) -MW-
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Re: CNN.com on Remailers
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Tim May wrote: > [The "prompted a bunch of programmers to rethink" comment has it all > backwards. Chained remailers were deployed in 1992. The theory was > known from Chaum's 1981 paper, and the flaws in the > Kremvax/Kleinpaste/Julf/Penet type of approach were widely known: this > was why chained remailers, in multiple jurisdictions, were deployed. > Hal Finney wrote the first code for this, building on the > Perl/Sendmail scripts Eric Hughes had already released.] The quoted portion is basically accurate (true to what I said), but I was talking about theoretical attacks at that point. I think I said something along the lines of: "The cypherpunks developed a system based on the ideas in Chaum's 1981 paper. Penet-style remailers were potentially vulnerable to hackers and court orders, which in fact ended up being the downfall of anon.penet.fi. These problems prompted them to build better remailers." I had this post up my screen when I was talking to him: http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.1997.05.29-1997.06.04/msg00310.html Penet was *in operation* prior to Eric and Hal's chained remailers, right? If not, then that's my error. --Len.
Is Nomen Nomescio John McCain?
At 08:20 PM 12/11/01 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: >Danny Popkin writes: >> > Rather, the problem with AP is that it is mob rule at its worst. >> >> Worse than the secret ballot? > >Much worse. With a secret ballot you need to get a majority to support >any particular position. That's a significant hurdle to overcome. >But with AP any small group of people that can put up enough money to >hire an assassin can get their way. The going rate for a murder is >around $5-10K to off an average person, more if he's heavily guarded. >If 100 people put up $100 each then that's enough to get someone killed. > >Imagine a secret ballot where any measure to increase government power >would pass if it received as few as 100 votes. How much freedom would >you have left in such a society? That's what AP represents. Hilarious, you sound like John McCain whining about campaign donations...
Re: The fucking essay
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, mattd wrote: > "...the fucking essay. It's flawed in a variety of ways. It's understanding > of human psychology (which it purports to >manipulate in realistic ways - > not) is so flawed as to make it very tedious. > > Speaking of tedious,Im on record with total opposition to freud being used > for anything other than birdcage liner. Hate to break it to you but Freud <> Psychology. I still havent read that part of AP > with any degree of attention.If thats what your referring to re.human > psychology then I heartily agree.Freud is extremely tedious.Where jim > appeals to > the angels of our better nature is probably also flawed as a realistic > appeal to human psychology.(last page 10) Jim appeals to nothing more than his own vanity. What the fundamental flaw is to expect individuals to use AP to protect themselves while at the same time expecting those attacked through AP to do nothing other than lay down and take it. If fundamentaly mis-understands that two wrongs don't make a right (even if one is done in self-defence) and that when you attack a person their reaction is to act in self defence. It's just another example of the CACL failure with respect to the human factor. On one hand they speak of what sheep, and on the other they propose that these sheep will do the right thing 'if only'. Just plain silly. -- Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: FreeSWAN & unnatural monopolies
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, David Honig wrote: > At 06:15 PM 12/11/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > >On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, David Honig wrote: > > > >> MIT's project *Athena* developed X because they had an equal mix of DEC > > ^ > > What letter is next to 'a' on the keyboard? You > > really should refrain from ad hominims. > > A simple spelling correction is not an ad hominim. Your responce was by the tone. My spelling error was irrelevant to the issue at hand. If you really believed it was a simple spelling mistake you would have just glossed right over it. You didn't, that act speaks for itself. -- Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
: CDR: 100 million responsibilities (Re: AP Al quim)
At 06:27 AM 12/12/01 +1100, mattd wrote: >.>..regarding Assassination Politics: > > Just keep in mind that AP is a >joke among knowledgeable > > technologists for >its unworkability, but a >wonderful joke > > on those who believe it's anything more than a taunt. > >Total bullshit again. Yes, but the reason it's bullshit is that shooting >messengers does no good. It leaves intact the originators of the message, >all hundred- million of them. Tomorrow, the hundred million will be >stumbling over each other trying to empower new messengers to replace those >fallen. Bingo. This is why the WTC takedown was such excellent feedback. The above is baba rum rasins entire post.WTF my names on top for Im fucked if I know.Its all crap.Feedback for shitheels. Im not getting any feedback on operation soft drill so Ill pack it in next year and let nature take its course.Leave my name out of it.
Re: CNN.com on Remailers
This article is so deeply flawed as to be laughable. Part of the article is quoted below, with my comments/corrections in brackets. 'In 1993, the Finns developed an anonymous e-mail system that stripped off the identification of an e-mail's sender before forwarding it to the addressee. [No, Karl Kleinpaste developed the original software and deployed it in 1991-2. Julf H. took it over and modified it later. Not "the Finns," but "an American and then a Finn."] Anon.penet.fi was especially popular among devotees of Usenet newsgroups, text-based bulletin boards that preceded the World Wide Web. A major flaw was revealed in 1995, however, when the Church of Scientology learned of a user who used Anon.penet.fi to post internal church documents -- and contacted police. Because the single remailer relied on a database to match the sender's Internet address with the message, the courts simply ordered Hensingius to reveal the identity of the sender. He shut down the service in 1996. "That prompted a bunch of programmers to rethink how they wanted to do remailers," said Sassaman. Now, messages are bounced from machine to machine. In order to find the original sender, authorities would have to work through an entire chain of remailers, many likely located in different countries. " [The "prompted a bunch of programmers to rethink" comment has it all backwards. Chained remailers were deployed in 1992. The theory was known from Chaum's 1981 paper, and the flaws in the Kremvax/Kleinpaste/Julf/Penet type of approach were widely known: this was why chained remailers, in multiple jurisdictions, were deployed. Hal Finney wrote the first code for this, building on the Perl/Sendmail scripts Eric Hughes had already released.] [I don't expect detailed perfection in journalism, but this article scrambles the causal order substantially. We _knew_ of the severe limitations to "trust me"-based mail resenders long before, years before, the limitations were revealed. And, the reason the Scientologists were unable to track down the source of the NOTS docs is that the court order to reveal the author only produced the C2Net Cypherpunks-style source, which COULD NOT be traced back further! This is a slam dunk refutation of the author's chronology above. By the way, when C2Net decided to get out of the remailing business, they sold or otherwise transferred the technology to Lance Cottrell. Not to take anything away from Lance, but let's not let this kind of bad history go without correction.] --Tim May
CNN.com on Remailers
http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/12/10/anonymous.e.mail.ap/index.html SAN JOSE, California (AP) -- For years, anonymous e-mail has been a choice tool for whistle-blowers, human rights activists and undercover sources looking to protect themselves while imparting vital information. Anonymous online communication could just as easily be used by terrorists to plot attacks or send threats. Yet little has changed since September 11 for users and operators of Internet-based anonymous e-mail servers, which launder messages by deleting identifying information, rendering them virtually untraceable. Now there are indications the servers have increased in number. While no evidence has been released linking such services to any criminal or terrorist conspiracy, experts fear governments could crack down on anonymous remailers -- or at least subject them to greater scrutiny. Law enforcement generally despises technology that leaves such cold trails, said Mark Rasch, former head of the Department of Justice's computer crimes unit and current vice president of cyberlaw at Predictive Systems. So far, U.S. and European authorities battling terrorism and cybercrime have apparently focused their surveillance elsewhere. The FBI and the National Security Agency, which monitors international telecommunications, declined to comment on what strategy, if any, they have for dealing with remailers. "There's a lot more concern about border security and banking records," said Mike Godwin, a policy fellow at the Center for Democracy and Technology. That's just fine with the people who operate remailers. They don't do it for money, but rather share a common ideal of protecting online privacy. Len Sassaman, an e-mail security consultant who runs a remailer as a hobby, thinks any attempts to crack down would lead to more cropping up around the world. [...]
Re: Professor Punished for Witty Remark
Peter Trei wrote: > Well, http://www.goacta.org/Reports/defciv.pdf doesn't > actually name names, but the quotes are given enough > attribution that, at least on a given campus, the speaker > is probably identifiable. For example... Are you sure that's the report all the fuss is about? All the newspaper stories I've read on this were pretty specific that names were named. > "What the U.S. calls counter-terrorism is terrorism by another name. > Operation Infinite Justice-the Bush administration's code name for > proposed military action against terrorists - is 'cowboy law.'" > Professor of linguistics, MIT. > ...isn't too hard to identify. Yes. Kind of like... "Fuck America. Fuck it to death and start over." Crusty Retired Engineer, Intel. Har. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
The fucking essay
"...the fucking essay. It's flawed in a variety of ways. It's understanding of human psychology (which it purports to >manipulate in realistic ways - not) is so flawed as to make it very tedious. Speaking of tedious,Im on record with total opposition to freud being used for anything other than birdcage liner.I still havent read that part of AP with any degree of attention.If thats what your referring to re.human psychology then I heartily agree.Freud is extremely tedious.Where jim appeals to the angels of our better nature is probably also flawed as a realistic appeal to human psychology.(last page 10) Sandys on record with at least one flaw on the confirmation of prediction end.I wish the police would take note and return my latitude.Id like to talk to jim about updating and streamlining the essay but its a bit tricky.The powers that be feel threatened by jims ideas.I doubt very much they would find anything threatening at your wing nut web site. >>Its about making very credible threats to limit violence.Paradoxical but effective. > Not paradoxical, hypocritical. And no, it doesn't limit anything (unless there are is so much money being made killing wives, husbands, and competitors there are no more hit men left). How is operation soft drill hypocritical? Jim might argue with that too but cant,of course.10 years for a flawed,tedious essay.Mmm. It does'nt limit anything that is not already limited.Like knowing where your target is,or even who they are.Numbskull nomen knows that.The limits come from the 'thermostat' effect,mentioned in the essay.Its a self limiting state of affairs that does'nt even require crypto.I think a misconception comes in when hitmen get a mention.A 'hitman' could be a child or an elderly butler.Almost anyone is capable of killing.Sure pros would be attracted,make a pile,spend it,become targets and so on.Self limiting see? Theres a mass levelling of wealth and power as no sane person wants to be anything but anonymous.There will be those who think they're so lovable they wont attract a juicy pool and we'll always have celebrities,they just wont be around so long,maybe. >It simply provides a mechanism for the 1st party to >anonymously hire the 3rd party to kill >>the 2nd party. Well dont we have that now,(the internet) A lot of what Im talking about is there in front of your face.The trains left the station.Assasination politics is on the news in occupied palestine and 'ghan and its got doctors all over your scumbag ratshit,craphole rogue error state of amerdikkka wearing bulletproof vests.With OSD even anonymity isnt required,simply enough sensible people to see the benefits of distributed justice by consensus (not mob rule at all) and take firm committed civil disobedient direct action.A nuremburg website for all the little eichmanns that want to slice away our inalienable human and civil rights like salami. FUCK THAT,FUCK THEM and FUCK YOU,you loopy spamming spacecase.
Re: Professor Punished for Witty Remark
Declan opines: >> Imagine the joy of being a university professor, and waking up one morning >> to find that a big powerful organization run by the Vice President's wife >> has issued a report practically calling you a traitor. > I'm hardly defending the group's "blacklist," but "big and powerful?" > Come, now. OK. How about "well-funded?" :) I count $1,270,000 in grants to the organization since its creation as the National Alumni Forum. The NAF sold the idea that alumni should contribute to the NAF's "Fund for Academic Renewal" instead of directly to their institutions. The NAF then gave the money to the institutions as targeted donations, removing the institution's discretion over how alumni donations were spent. They went after the $2.9 billion alumni gift market with big ads in Ivy League magazines. Later they changed their name to the more impressive sounding American Council of Trustees and Alumni, and broadened the spectrum of pressure tactics employed to shove patriotism down the throats of universities behind the smokescreen of "promoting intellectual freedom and raising academic standards." In what sense is such an undertaking neither "big" nor "powerful?" -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
Re: Professor Punished for Witty Remark
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 12:58:49PM -0800, Eric Cordian wrote: > Imagine the joy of being a university professor, and waking up one morning > to find that a big powerful organization run by the Vice President's wife > has issued a report practically calling you a traitor. I'm hardly defending the group's "blacklist," but "big and powerful?" Come, now. -Declan
Behold a pale horsepersyn
Not only will operation soft drill water your plants and walk your dogs it now kills all known horsemen of the infopocalypse. While it will be portrayed as the grim reaper,great satan and everything else under a rock,a way must be found to neutralize the 'freak out the soccer moms' campaigns that could be coming our way soon.You know the ones... Crypto pedophiles! crypto terrorists! crypto narcotraffickers! and crypto money launderers for them all. Why not turn crypto assassins loose on the above? It takes a thief to catch a thief and the authorities are losing all these battles.(when they're battling and not joining in) So,how to turn a negative horseman,crypto assassins,into the ultimate killer app? Simple,stop sneaking around and go "open source" Its a boon.Not doom.A blessing,not the end of the world as we know it.If youse can sell yourselves on the comedy that your 'punks' and 'anarchists' you have great futures in advertising.Whats in it for moi? ecash,new markets,fame,70 virgins,hells bells,whateveryoufugginwant.Cheney,the evil one,is in the bunker now planning nuclear war with china as the ultimate last resort so we havent got all day.Give us your answer here! The media can sniff out the candidates quite nicely,condit,oj,USAma,etc.Once we break the ice and the network affect kicks in it'll be background before you know it.Operation soft drill,you know it makes sense.
Re: AP Al quim
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, mattd wrote: > Jim says in the essay,It doesnt have to be,"wild in the streets"He doesn't > miss a trick.He talks of the possibility of minarchy.Does anyone actually > read the fucking essay? Yeah, I read the fucking essay. It's flawed in a variety of ways. It's understanding of human psychology (which it purports to manipulate in realistic ways - not) is so flawed as to make it very tedious. > I part with him on offing forest grunts,btw.Its not > about shooting 'messengers'.Its about making very credible threats to limit > violence.Paradoxical but effective. Not paradoxical, hypocritical. And no, it doesn't limit anything (unless there are is so much money being made killing wives, husbands, and competitors there are no more hit men left). It simply provides a mechanism for the 1st party to anonymously hire the 3rd party to kill the 2nd party. -- Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: AP Al quim
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, David Honig wrote: > At 12:13 AM 12/11/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > >No, I'm not. 'discrimination' requires(!) 'prejudice'. Prejudice is the > > In Choate prime, perhaps. For the rest of us, measurement (e.g., > the redness vs greenness of a fruit) lets us discriminate useful from not. Bullshit, you're playing word games. Get your dictionary and educate yourself on this point. You're using the word in the fist case to mean select individuals as sub-optimal. Then when you're called to the carpet on your logical inconsistency you all of a sudden change your word usage to mean 'select', which ain't the same thing at all in the context of your original usage. Discriminate as you use above is almost exclusively a technical application, which isn't applicable to the social application we're actually discussing. Why? Because in your first usage you were applying a measure of 'merit' whereas in the above usage you are drawing a simple distinction. Not the same beasty at all - Choate Prime or not. Discriminate: 1. To observe or mark the difference between 2. To show partiality because of race, nationality, or class prejudice You really should be more consistent in the way you use words. -- Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: UPI editor: dissent is like soviet propoganda
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I just gave you a response, Which you never did before. > which you just deleted. Which I explained the reason to. I'll get around to the rest of it in the next day or so. Quit your whinning. -- Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
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Earn Cash, Find Errors in _Disappearing Cryptography_.
I'm working on a second edition of _Disappearing Cryptography_, a book about steganography and anonymity on-line. In the interests of removing any errors from previous editions, I'm offering a $10 reward for anyone who reports the technical errors to me. Here are the rules: *) Only the first person to report an error wins a prize. This is the only way to avoid many people submitting the same error again and again and again. I reserve the right to pay duplicate prizes to people who appear to have submitted a duplicate in good faith. *) I reserve the right to decide the size of an error. If misspellings counted, spelling someone's name wrong through out the entire book would only count as one error. *) First person is judged by the time the error arrives in my mailbox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] *) Only technical errors count. Grammar and spelling errors could bankrupt me, even after the copy editing fixes 99%. *) Please submit the page number. *) Please let me know if you want your name included in the thanks at the beginning of the book. Thank you. You're free to forward this offer to any other list. -Peter
Nobrain nescio
>>But with AP any small group of people that can put up enough money to >hire an assassin can get their way. The going rate for a murder is around $5-10K to off an average person, more if he's heavily guarded. >If 100 people put up $100 each then that's enough to get someone killed. Thats what I keep telling them at indymedia,we can leverage our numbers to bring justice and protect freedom of speech. Indy keeps no logs and you can go there quad anon,pledge your bloc's 5-10 k and leave.Payable after the revolution,no crypto required.This is operation soft drill and will leave cypherpunks as a right racist cul de sac. >>Imagine a secret ballot where any measure to increase government power would pass if it received as few as 100 votes. How much freedom would >you have left in such a society? That's what AP represents. Der,as much freedom as you have now? Is it true there are 5 million laws in the US now? >And keep in mind that the people buying the assassination are fully anonymous. There is no way to know who is funding the AP market. There is no check or limit on the extent to which anonymous individuals with >>private grievances can buy the deaths of anyone who gets in their way. NOMEN AP or militant anti-choice fanatics already operating? In the 'let it all hang out' version of AP,operation soft drill,no ones anonymous unless they want,its an exercise in civil disobedience and whats the charge again? betting on a date? SAMPLE OSD international calls for pledges to be pooled and paid for the closest prediction of the exact time that noshame nescio ceases to post silly rubbish to this list.I pledge 1 dollar,I will send to the anonymous predictor. >>Police forces, heavily armed and always travelling in teams, will receive their orders via encrypted, digitally signed messages from elected officials. Any government official who must interact with the public, whether a building inspector, a drivers' license examiner, even a fireman, would get hazardous duty pay. Wearing masks might become >routine for such officials. Wow! No one will ever find them out! They would be queuing up to predict the retirement of any ashcroft on steroids who tried this foolishness.Listen to yourself.Are you an american? (Minarchy anyone?) >>Taxes (much higher than before due to the greater expenses of operating the government) could be charged based on imputed property values depending on zip code and acreage. Everyone in a particular neighborhood would be charged a fixed amount per square foot. Any household which does not provide the required fee (via cryptographic anonymous transfer into the government account of course) would have its property subject >to confiscation by police. Armed resistance would be met by military >force including helicopter gunships. Isnt this already going on? RICO.(+like the anti-abortion zealots thang.)Could lead to violent revolt, if true.The police state would have to be 1984 in size and scope.2 million prisoners in US gulag.(dont frighten the horses:) No sense of citizens options here nes.Like rent strikes,slowdowns,defacing the currency,the list is endless. Read some anarchy,or even cia(nica manual) will you,there are some anarchists here. >>We can live in a world of crypto anarchy, but it won't be pretty. And the government certainly won't wither away. Anyone who thinks that attacking the government will weaken it should have learned a lesson from September >11th. When it feels itself under attack, the government strikes back How can we have our crypto anarchic cake and eat it? There is finally one question only,who is to be master,thats all? We live in crypto anarchy more and more."The bourgeois fascist state may leave this world in ruins but dont forget who built those cities and can build them again for themselves. We have always lived in ruins and holes in the wall,yet its us that will inherit the earth, we carry a new world in our hearts...that world is growing as we speak." Durrutti. >We are all the losers as our freedoms are destroyed. All things must be paid for in this world.Tanstaafl.Shrub? "Id buy that for a dollar!" KILLTHEPRESIDENTKILLTHEPRESIDENTFASTERPUSSYCATKILLKILL.
RE: Professor Punished for Witty Remark
> -- > From: Eric Cordian[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Peter Trei writes: > > >> There's also a blacklist on the Web of people in academia who have > >> publicly stated less than glowing support for Bush's war against > >> "evil." > > > Where is it? [...] > It was released by ACTA, formerly the NAF, run by Lynne Cheney, formerly > arch-conservative Bill Bennett's heir at the National Endowment for the > Humanities, and the wife of the federal government's favorite cardiac > patient, Vice President Dick Cheney. [...] > You might want to wade through http://www.goacta.org/ and see if you can > find the report. I took a quick look, but my javascript and .pdf > patience levels were quickly exceeded. [...] Well, http://www.goacta.org/Reports/defciv.pdf doesn't actually name names, but the quotes are given enough attribution that, at least on a given campus, the speaker is probably identifiable. For example... 2 2 . "What the U.S. calls counter-terrorism is terrorism by another name. Operation Infinite Justice-the Bush administration's code name for proposed military action against terrorists - is 'cowboy law.'" Professor of linguistics, MIT. ...isn't too hard to identify. On the other hand, ACTA has specifically condemned the U of NM for their punishment of Berthold (which started this thread). http://www.goacta.org/Press%20Releases/11-14-01PR.htm AMERICAN COUNCIL OF TRUSTEES AND ALUMNI DEFENDS UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO PROF Controversial Comment on Terrorist Attack Is Not Grounds for Punishment WASHINGTON, D.C. (November 14, 2001) -- The American Council of Trustees and Alumni today came to the defense of University of New Mexico professor Richard Berthold who is under investigation by the University for remarking: "Anyone who can blow up the Pentagon has my vote." "Professor Berthold's comment is certainly crude and debatable, but it is not punishable," said Anne D. Neal, ACTA's Vice President and General Counsel. "While we clearly disagree, academic freedom requires a free exchange of ideas-no matter how controversial." [...] "There is a big difference between criticizing someone's comments, and punishing those comments," said Neal. "It is the responsibility of a university to teach that the right way to counter ideas with which one disagrees is with more speech, not less," said Neal. -- end of quote - Peter Trei
Re: Professor Punished for Witty Remark
Peter Trei writes: >> There's also a blacklist on the Web of people in academia who have >> publicly stated less than glowing support for Bush's war against >> "evil." > Where is it? It was released by ACTA, formerly the NAF, run by Lynne Cheney, formerly arch-conservative Bill Bennett's heir at the National Endowment for the Humanities, and the wife of the federal government's favorite cardiac patient, Vice President Dick Cheney. Imagine the joy of being a university professor, and waking up one morning to find that a big powerful organization run by the Vice President's wife has issued a report practically calling you a traitor. from http://arizona.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=2175&group=webcast <> and from APSCUF's Higher Education News Blits <<* THE AMERICAN COUNCIL OF TRUSTEES AND ALUMNI, an organization that says American higher education plays down Western intellectual teachings, on Sunday issued a stinging report that condemns colleges and faculty members for what it calls a "blame America first" response to the terrorist attacks of September 11.>> and from WebNetInfo.com <> You might want to wade through http://www.goacta.org/ and see if you can find the report. I took a quick look, but my javascript and .pdf patience levels were quickly exceeded. I saw one of the frightened professors bleating "but I'm not a traitor" on CNN the other day, and a smiling ACTA droid saying that their list was merely "academic criticism." High drama. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
AOLTW hires ex Secret Service
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/bpihw/20011210/en/aol_tw_secures_secret_service_vet_1.html AOL TW secures Secret Service vet By Georg Szalai NEW YORK (The Hollywood Reporter) --- In the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, AOL Time Warner Inc. is breaking new ground in the media industry, saying Monday that it has named the deputy director of the U.S. Secret Service to the new position of chief security officer and senior vp. Larry Cockell, a 20-year Secret Service veteran, will start his new assignment at the world's largest entertainment and online conglomerate Jan. 14. Reporting to AOL TW executive vp administration Patricia Fili-Krushel, Cockell will be responsible for security on a global basis, coordinating and overseeing all security policies and operations, the company said. Analysts said Monday that they were not aware of similar positions at other media giants but that big corporations in other fields have started shoring up their security operations following Sept. 11. "I don't know of such a chief security officer position at any of AOL's media peers," Kaufman Bros. analyst Paul Kim said. "But this is definitely a growing trend at S&P 500 companies."
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Title: Executive Guild Membership ApplicationResponse-O-Matic Form Dear Candidate, You have been selected as a potential candidate for a free listing in the 2002 Edition of the International Executive Guild Registry. Please accept our congratulations for this coveted honor. As this edition is so important in view of the new millennium, the International Executive Guild Registry will be published in two different formats; the searchable CD-ROM and the Online Registry. Since inclusion can be considered recognition of your career position and professionalism, each candidate is evaluated in keeping with high standards of individual achievement. In light of this, the International Executive Guild thinks that you may make an interesting biographical subject. We look forward to your inclusion and appearance in the International Executive Guild's Registry. Best wishes for your continued success. International Executive Guild Listing Dept. If you wish to be removed from our list, please submit your request at the bottom of this email. International Executive Guild Registration Form (US and Canada Only) Please fill out this form if you would like to be included on The International Executive Guild, For accuracy and publication purposes, please complete and send this form at the earliest opportunity. There is no charge or obligation to be listed on The International Executive Guild. Your Name Your Company Title Address City State or Province Country USACanada ZIP/Postal Code Day Time Telephone Home Phone (Not To Be Published) Email TO HELP US IN CONSIDERING YOUR APPLICATION, PLEASE TELL US A LITTLE ABOUT YOURSELF... Your Business (Financial Svcs, Banking, Computer Hardware, Software, Professional Svcs, Chemicals, Apparel, Aerospace, Food, Government, Utility, etc.) Type of Organization (Mfg, Dist/Wholesaler, Retailer, Law Firm, Investment Bank, Commercial Bank, University, Financial Consultants, Ad Agency, Contractor, Broker, etc.) Your Business Expertise (Corp.Mgmt, Marketing, Civil Engineering, Tax Law, Nuclear Physics, Database Development, Operations, Pathologist, Mortgage Banking, etc.) Major Product Line (Integrated Circuits, Commercial Aircraft, Adhesives, Cosmetics, Plastic Components, Snack Foods, etc.) Note: Submitting this form will be made by email, not by use of www. Confirmation of its delivery is made by browsing your outgoing mail. Thank you for filling in this form, we will contact you with more information. List Removal Click Here
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48 hours
The au puppet satellite state is bringing in legislation to allow unnamed secret police (against law to reveal their ID) to kidnap and keep people 48 hous.Presumably they may then be rekidnapped.My response at melb indymedia. 48 hours in a windowless box,under full time,lights on surveillance with a toothache? been there,done that. With creeping secrecy y'all wont have to worry your pretty little heads at all.A drumhead secret military court can disappear independent journalists without a trace. "The govt.doesn't protect me from the terrorists,the govt.is the terrorist" AND What scares the state? by proffr 5:58pm Thu Nov 29 '01 The state fear 'assasination politics' I hope they are correct to do so. Lawyers and journalists should be stocking up on crypto right now and no one should do business with a lawyer or journalist without crypto,preferably in a confessional box. Before 1975, most of us would not have been able to imagine public-key encryption.Encryption can pose potentially insurmountable challenges to law enforcement and should when law enforcement becomes kidnapping. The governmental powers that be can't do much about drug-dealing or terrorism--if only because they themselves are the chief drug dealers and the chief terrorists.Fuck this government. We are the government and we say what happens and doesn't happen in this country.
Re: AP Al Qaeda
Danny Popkin writes: > > Rather, the problem with AP is that it is mob rule at its worst. > > Worse than the secret ballot? Much worse. With a secret ballot you need to get a majority to support any particular position. That's a significant hurdle to overcome. But with AP any small group of people that can put up enough money to hire an assassin can get their way. The going rate for a murder is around $5-10K to off an average person, more if he's heavily guarded. If 100 people put up $100 each then that's enough to get someone killed. Imagine a secret ballot where any measure to increase government power would pass if it received as few as 100 votes. How much freedom would you have left in such a society? That's what AP represents. And keep in mind that the people buying the assassination are fully anonymous. There is no way to know who is funding the AP market. There is no check or limit on the extent to which anonymous individuals with private grievances can buy the deaths of anyone who gets in their way. The only good thing about this situation is that it would encourage everyone to go anonymous post haste. We would see a rapid change in society to allow anonymous business transactions, corporate ownership, stock transactions. Insider trading laws would become unenforceable. Board members would meet only electronically, spending their time barricaded inside their mansions. Even elective office would change. You'll walk into the ballot box to vote for your government officials from a list of nyms who meet only on the net. Police forces, heavily armed and always travelling in teams, will receive their orders via encrypted, digitally signed messages from elected officials. Any government official who must interact with the public, whether a building inspector, a drivers' license examiner, even a fireman, would get hazardous duty pay. Wearing masks might become routine for such officials. Taxes (much higher than before due to the greater expenses of operating the government) could be charged based on imputed property values depending on zip code and acreage. Everyone in a particular neighborhood would be charged a fixed amount per square foot. Any household which does not provide the required fee (via cryptographic anonymous transfer into the government account of course) would have its property subject to confiscation by police. Armed resistance would be met by military force including helicopter gunships. We can live in a world of crypto anarchy, but it won't be pretty. And the government certainly won't wither away. Anyone who thinks that attacking the government will weaken it should have learned a lesson from September 11th. When it feels itself under attack, the government strikes back. We are all the losers as our freedoms are destroyed.
Re: Slashdot | Google Expands Usenet Archive to 20 Years
On Tuesday, December 11, 2001, at 08:07 AM, Trei, Peter wrote: > What expanded capability for ego-surfing! > What expanded ability for better-forgotten posts to rise > from the dead! > > Seriously, this is neat. My earliest listed posting is from > 28 November '82. The first mention of the cypherpunks list > appears to be a post from Eric Hughes on 25 September '92, > which refers to the list as 'recently formed'. Yes, it's great to see Google finally get around to doing what DejaNews said would be done. Interestingly, I see a January 1992 use of the term "cypherpunks": http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22cypherpunks%22&hl=en&as_drrb=b&as_mind= 17&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=1992&rnum=9&selm=1992Jan11. 232019.3543%40highlite.uucp This predates Jude Milhon's naming of our list by about 9 months. And the earlier reference was not in the same context. Still, interesting. A search on "cypherpunk" gives a history of the term and the early meetings at the Hackers Conference, the early CP meetings, etc.: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=cypherpunk&hl=en&as_drrb=b&as_mind=17&as_minm= 5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=1992&rnum=1&selm=1992Nov16.154438. 14092%40kumr.lns.com The first mention of "cryptoanarchy" (the spelling I used then) is in a 9 January 1991 post from John Gilmore, citing my item on cryptoanarchy at the 1990 Hackers Conference: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=cryptoanarchy&hl=en&as_drrb=b&as_mind=17&; as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=11&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=1992&rnum=1&selm=14631%40hoptoad. uucp " Cryptology, Computer Networks, and Big Brother Tim May slide presentation Views privacy and freedom from the point of view of "cryptoanarchy", in which cryptographic technology provides people the ability to communicate in privacy, despite the best efforts of governments to prevent their doing so. Examines technical developments that led to it, and social possibilities that result from it. (I wrote "The Cryptoanarchist Manifesto" for the 1988 Crypto Conference, where it was privately distributed to a few folks. I'd been using the term in talks around the Bay Area for several months prior to this, e.g., in a talk with Marc Stiegler, Phil Salin, Jim Bennett, Dave Ross, Chip Morningstar, Randy Farmer, and some others.) --Tim May "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -- Nietzsche
N-grams and the state,
At 11:25 AM 12/11/01 +1100, mattd wrote: >"...What are N-Grams? N-Gram Analysis is a a method patented by the NSA ..." > >"You spooks are a bunch of gray, snivelling, alcoholic, Aldrich Ames >lookalikes driving around in your rusty Toyotas." Perhaps, but this does not negate the discriminative value of n-grams. END. Look baba rum raisin,Your right,I rush sometimes,relying on the good will and intelligence of the list and I make mistakes.Im sorry.OK.Ill try not to do it again.
AP Al quim
.>..regarding Assassination Politics: > > Just keep in mind that AP is a joke among knowledgeable > > technologists for >its unworkability, but a wonderful joke > > on those who believe it's anything more than a taunt. > Total bullshit again. Yes, but the reason it's bullshit is that shooting messengers does no good. It leaves intact the originators of the message, all hundred- million of them. Tomorrow, the hundred million will be stumbling over each other trying to empower new messengers to replace those fallen. Who else but the messengers (politicians, bureaucrats, etc.) is going to collect the >money to pay the Social Security, after all? Who else is going to halt the drug trade? Assassination Politics Convicted tax evader Jim Bell proposes a system of anonymous ecash awards for the murder of "aggressors", such as IRS agents. See also Crypto-Convict Won't Recant. What he misses is that his system, if tolerated, would merely force government to operate secretly rather than openly FROM http://world.std.com/~mhuben/cypher.html Jim says in the essay,It doesnt have to be,"wild in the streets"He doesn't miss a trick.He talks of the possibility of minarchy.Does anyone actually read the fucking essay? I part with him on offing forest grunts,btw.Its not about shooting 'messengers'.Its about making very credible threats to limit violence.Paradoxical but effective. Halting the drug trades as imbecilic an idea as a "war on terror" KILLTHEPRESIDENTKILLTHEPRESIDENTFASTERPUSSYCATKILLKILL.
Re: UPI editor: dissent is like soviet propoganda
-- James A Donald > > And I have given numerous examples [of Chomsky > > misrepresenting his sources], to which no one has > > replied, except as mattd has recently done -- by citing > > Chomsky as evidence for the truthfulness of Chomsky, much > > after the fashion of a Christian who cites the bible as > > proof of the divinity of Jesus, and Jesus as proof of the > > infallibility of the bible. On 10 Dec 2001, at 15:31, Jim Choate wrote: > [text deleted] > > Not true. I've asked several times for clarification and > never(!!!) received anything from you in responce. I just gave you a response, which you just deleted. I may not have given previous examples to you personally, but this issue (bogus and misleading citations by Chomsky) has been discussed on this list many times. > I'll look into the text I deleted since it will take a few > minutes to review. I'll let you know what I think of your > analysis of Chomsky's views. You did not ask for an analysis of Chomsky's views. You asked for an example of Chomsky giving bogus citations. I gave you some examples. In your response, you will ignore those examples, and accuse me of misrepresenting Chomsky's views. The fact that you are already preparing to change the subject shows that in your heart, you already knew that Chomsky's very impressive sounding citations were fictional. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG i6sJyKoEGKQnIBnjHkjh/Y2u1wf/omhSfIi6xIZW 4/iQ7+vyJLulN7UttuCfQ2hNikb2qm3gqf+kGt7Jr
Re: UPI editor: dissent is like soviet propoganda
-- On 10 Dec 2001, at 11:23, Ken Brown wrote: > About 3 years ago I found out that I could understand some > of your postings by exchanging the words "socialism" for > "capitalism" when ever they occurred - you fell for the > Soviet lie that called their oppressive state capitalism by > the name of "socialism"... If that was a lie, then it is odd that until Khruschev renounced Stalin, the entire left fell for it. I have frequently commented on Chomsky's extraordinary servility towards Soviet foreign policy. Even to this day the socialists white wash Sihanouk, because though he was murdering real and suspected communists internally, he served Soviet foreign policy in external affairs. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG RmPRRwv70zSuTkYU+smeyfgtiK/+vkrGKoiVI4ew 4eGRNHwI044Lhif5a65dau79zOgEKfauvhe1kMCrB
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RE: Slashdot | Google Expands Usenet Archive to 20 Years
> From: Jim Choate[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > http://slashdot.org/articles/01/12/11/0727218.shtml > What expanded capability for ego-surfing! What expanded ability for better-forgotten posts to rise from the dead! Seriously, this is neat. My earliest listed posting is from 28 November '82. The first mention of the cypherpunks list appears to be a post from Eric Hughes on 25 September '92, which refers to the list as 'recently formed'. It's nostalgic to see all the bang!path addresses and .arpa hosts. Peter Trei
Re: AP Al quim
At 10:17 AM 12/11/01 +1100, mattd wrote: >Jim seems to have missed out on teenagerhood.CJ seems not to have left >teenagerhood.The boiling pot is like darwins discovery of evolution,It The personal flaws of an author do not detract from his ideas. We even tolerate your unmedicated rants for the same reason. Cf Rand and her affair. Condit does not count.
N-grams and the state
At 11:25 AM 12/11/01 +1100, mattd wrote: >"...What are N-Grams? N-Gram Analysis is a a method patented by the NSA ..." > >"You spooks are a bunch of gray, snivelling, alcoholic, Aldrich Ames >lookalikes driving around in your rusty Toyotas." Perhaps, but this does not negate the discriminative value of n-grams.
Re: OT Kleist's "Michael Kohlhaas"
At 09:07 PM 12/10/01 -0500, Agent Faustine wrote: >In case you haven't read it, here's a partial synopsis of Heinrich von >Kleist's "Michael Kohlhaas", written in 1810 > >In Michael Kohlhaas, Heinrich von Kleist tells the grim story of how a >relatively small injustice escalates almost into civic insurrection. It is the >story of the wealthy horse trader Michael Kohlhaas. Sounds like copyright infringement on Keyzer Soze's story. Or various future characters..
RE: Professor Punished for Witty Remark
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Re: FreeSWAN & unnatural monopolies
At 06:35 AM 12/11/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >Dude, there are HUNDREDS of alternate GUI front-ends (the vast majority >are not compatible with X (aka MIT's Athens - there's your clue as to its >popularity). Unfortunately they don't get the technical backing to get a >significant 'bootstrap' percentage in the market up front. In other words, >when X got started back in the 80's there were no other GUI's that were >nearly that advanced. So people used it. By the time the market expanded >the number of alternative GUI's had a much harder time to get into the >market. > MIT's project *Athena* developed X because they had an equal mix of DEC and [I forget -IBM?] workstations and so developed a device independent display server. That it was subject to code bloat is regrettable but its use is not mandatory.
Re: AP Al quim
At 12:13 AM 12/11/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >No, I'm not. 'discrimination' requires(!) 'prejudice'. Prejudice is the In Choate prime, perhaps. For the rest of us, measurement (e.g., the redness vs greenness of a fruit) lets us discriminate useful from not.
Re: FreeSWAN & US export controls
At 12:18 AM -0600 12/11/01, Jim Choate wrote: >On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, John Gilmore wrote: > >> NSA's export controls. We overturned them by a pretty thin margin. >> The government managed to maneuver such that no binding precedents >> were set: if they unilaterally change the regulations tomorrow to >> block the export of public domain crypto, they wouldn't be violating >> any court orders or any judicial decisions. I.e. they are not BOUND >> by the policy change. > >That's not accurate. There have been several court rulings finding source >code and such protected by the 1st. This would provide a lever that was >not there previously. > In the most recent ruling, Universal v. Remerdez/Eric Corley 2600.com (00-9185), http://cryptome.org/mpaa-v-2600-cad.htm , the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit declined to overturn an injunction against the posting of DeCSS on the Internet. The Court held that software was speech, but did not enjoy the level of First Amendment protection accorded to pure speech because it is functional with little human intervention. This is a very disturbing precedent which I hope will be reversed on appeal, but given the post-9/11 mood and the limited technological understanding of most judges, I wouldn't count on it. Also I believe the U.S. Supreme Court has upheld export controls in the past, the First Amendment notwithstanding. Having a body of open source crypto software that is not entangled by any U.S. input is not a foolish idea. Surely there are good programers outside the U.S. who understand the importance of making FreeSWAN work seamlessly with Linux. Arnold Reinhold
Re: CDR: Re: AP Al Qaeda
On 11 Dec 2001, D.Popkin wrote: > > Rather, the problem with AP is that it is mob rule at its worst. > > Worse than the secret ballot? AP *IS* a form of secret ballot. -- Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: AP Al Qaeda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > John Young writes, regarding Assassination Politics: > > Just keep in mind that AP is a joke among knowledgeable > > technologists for its unworkability, but a wonderful joke > > on those who believe it's anything more than a taunt. > Total bullshit again. Yes, but the reason it's bullshit is that shooting messengers does no good. It leaves intact the originators of the message, all hundred- million of them. Tomorrow, the hundred million will be stumbling over each other trying to empower new messengers to replace those fallen. Who else but the messengers (politicians, bureaucrats, etc.) is going to collect the money to pay the Social Security, after all? Who else is going to halt the drug trade? > Rather, the problem with AP is that it is mob rule at its worst. Worse than the secret ballot? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBPBX4a/PsjZpmLV0BAQEhqgH/cURZ7LO9meHr8HGV/RArtsPY6oDoLrkq ICoKTRLunQrdcsYjgyDx464IXJW4Z/PK6qL9oHGuTikXmt0KX3TEhw== =AVcC -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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Re: FreeSWAN & unnatural monopolies
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, John Gilmore wrote: > What puzzles me is how the mediocre X Window System has attracted no > competitors. Yes, it's a hard job supporting all those hardware Dude, there are HUNDREDS of alternate GUI front-ends (the vast majority are not compatible with X (aka MIT's Athens - there's your clue as to its popularity). Unfortunately they don't get the technical backing to get a significant 'bootstrap' percentage in the market up front. In other words, when X got started back in the 80's there were no other GUI's that were nearly that advanced. So people used it. By the time the market expanded the number of alternative GUI's had a much harder time to get into the market. -- Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: [linux-elitists] Phil Zimmermann on key exchange (fwd)
-- Eugen* Leitl http://leitl.org";>leitl __ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:24:46 -0800 From: Don Marti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [linux-elitists] Phil Zimmermann on key exchange begin Seth David Schoen quotation of Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 11:42:26PM -0800: > Reviving a thread from last month: (More on encrypted email infrastructure from Seth: http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/2001-12-07.html) > The Board of Directors of EFF met today in San Francisco, and I made a > presentation about this, in the presence of Brad Templeton and others. > One of the conclusions was that EFF's role in implementing something > like this is still not defined clearly enough, and we don't know what > we could most usefully do. In order to seriously deploy encrypted email you need to kick the email client support problem and the key management problem at the same time. One possible role for EFF would be as a founding member of an encrypted email industry consortium analogous to W3C. Such an organization would have to be positioned as a way to fight cyberterrorism and protect infrastructure. It would be nice to get Ximian, the KDE project and Qualcomm to join, and use the words "Secure Email" or "Email Security" in the organization's name somewhere. You probably aren't going to get any mail client vendor that depends on many Secret Police customers to join. -- Don Marti What do we want? Free Dmitry! When do we want it? Now! http://zgp.org/~dmarti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free the web, burn all GIFs. KG6INA http://burnallgifs.org/ ___ linux-elitists http://zgp.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-elitists
IP: Antivirus firms deny Magic Lantern backdoor plans (fwd)
-- Eugen* Leitl http://leitl.org";>leitl __ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 06:04:54 -0500 From: David Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IP: Antivirus firms deny Magic Lantern backdoor plans >From: "Bill Sodeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Antivirus firms deny Magic Lantern backdoor plans >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:47:17 -0600 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3311 >Importance: Normal > >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011210/tc/attack_tech_dc.html > >Monday December 10 8:30 PM ET >Antivirus Firms Say They Won't Create FBI Loophole >By Elinor Mills Abreu > >SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Anti-virus software vendors said on Monday >they don't want to create a loophole in their security products to let >the FBI or other government agencies use a virus to eavesdrop on the >computer communications of suspected criminals. > >Under a project code named "Magic Lantern," the U.S. Federal Bureau of >Investigation is creating an e-mail-borne virus or Trojan horse that >hides itself on the computer and captures all keystrokes made, including >passwords that could be used to read encrypted mail, according to a >report on MSNBC.com in November. > >Despite subsequent reports to the contrary, officials at Symantec Corp. >and Network Associates Inc. said they had no intention of voluntarily >modifying their products to satisfy the FBI. Spokesmen at two other >computer security companies, Japan-based Trend Micro Inc. and the U.S. >subsidiary of UK-based Sophos PLc., made similar statements. > >All four anti-virus companies said they had not contacted or been >contacted by the U.S. government on the matter. > >"We're in the business of providing a virus-free environment for our >users and we're not going to do anything to compromise that security," >said Tony Thompson of Network Associates. > >"Symantec's first priority is to protect our customers from malicious >and illegal attacks," Symantec Chief Executive John W. Thompson said in >a statement. "We have no intention of creating or leaving a hole in our >software that might compromise that security." > >If anti-virus vendors were to leave a hole for an FBI-created Trojan >horse program, malicious hackers would try to exploit the hole too, >experts said. > >"If you leave the weakness for the FBI, you leave it for everybody," >said Fred Cohen, an independent security expert and digital forensics >professor at the University of New Haven. > > >From the industry perspective, leaving a hole in anti-virus software >would erode public confidence and damage the reputation of the vendor, >sending customers to competing companies, the vendors said. > >The government would have to convince all anti-virus vendors to >cooperate or the plan wouldn't work, since those not cooperating would >have a market advantage and since they all share information, said a >Symantec spokeswoman. > >"The thought that you would be able to convince the industry as a whole >to do this is kind of naive," she said. > >All four anti-virus companies said they had not contacted or been >contacted by the U.S. government on the matter. > >The FBI declined to confirm or deny the report about "Magic Lantern," >when it was first published by MSNBC.com and a spokesman was not >available for comment on Monday. > >PLAN WOULD ALIENATE OTHER COUNTRIES > >Symantec and Networks Associates, both of whom have investments in >China, would not jeopardize their footings in that market, said Rob >Rosenberger, editor of www.vmyths.com, a Web site that debunks virus >hoaxes. > >"If (the Chinese) thought that the company was a tool of the CIA (news - >web sites), China would stop using those products in critical >environments," Rosenberger said. "It is in the best interest of >anti-virus vendors not to heed the call of the FBI." > >"We always try to cooperate with the authorities when it's appropriate. >Having said that, our No. 1 goal is to protect our customers," said >Barbara Woolf of Trend Micro. "I've heard reports that the government is >upset this got out and is going back to the drawing board." > >Appeasing the U.S. government would be difficult for vendors who have >parent companies and customers outside the United States, they said. > >"If the laws of the land were to change to permit this kind of activity >then we would abide by the law," said David Hughes, president of Sophos' >U.S. subsidiary. > >But "how would a vendor provide protection for customers outside of the >specific jurisdiction?" Hughes asked. "If we were to do this for the >U.S. government we'd also have to do it for the government of any other >nation that would want to do something similar." > > >== > >Bill Sodeman >[EMAIL PROTECTED] / h
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The Fading Altruism of Open Source Development
"...regardless of how software is produced in the real world, its increasing extensibility seems to be in the public interest and should be encouraged where feasible." Last sentence.Misleading leadin methinks,jimmy.However,if true may be balanced by...Twilight of the crypto-geeks Lone-wolf digital libertarians are beginning to abandon their faith in technology uber alles and espouse suspiciously socialist-sounding ideas. At... http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/04/13/libertarians/print.html Wots pantheists jim?,we have black panthers running free in this state,I saw one once and one was filmed just recently.
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Re: Customer Acts Odd? U.S. Wants to Know
At 09:54 AM 12/10/2001 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: >http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/10/national/10CUST.html?searchpv=nytToday&pagewanted=print >WASHINGTON, Dec. 9 - Federal agents are planning to fan out across the >country this week in an effort to recruit American businesses in the war on >terror, urging companies to notify the government of suspicious customers. >[...] >The terrorists' shopping list, the Customs Service says, includes missiles, >grenades, grenade launchers and other munitions; aircraft parts; computer >encryption devices; and components of biological, chemical and nuclear >weapons, as well as items that might be used to manufacture or deliver >such weapons. [...] >. certain signs of suspicious activity, including these: >... >6A buyer has little or no understanding of the product he or she is >requesting or the commercial activity in which he or she is supposedly >engaged. ... >6A buyer has no interest in the customer service offered with a product or >rejects the manufacturer's offer to train employees in proper use of the >product. Suspicious? Those are simply *routine* in the telecom and computer businesses :-) You'd think that they'd find it suspicious of customers *did* read all the manuals, closely, in great detail. It's less common now after the dot-com crash than during the heat of tulip-bulb mania, but if customers really understood technology there'd be less need for data sales people to bring along systems engineers to wave their hands and tell them what to think, or for companies to hire lots of customer support people to explain how to reset the coffee-cup holders on PCs, or for trade rags and internet sites to keep hyping new trends. Meanwhile, the technologies and economics are constantly changing in the business, so even if a customer or vendor understood what they were doing three months ago, that doesn't mean they still understand it today. Now, I don't sell missiles or grenade launchers, but computer encryption devices are part of my stock in trade - they're letting customers move from dedicated private lines and semi-shared frame relay and ATM networks to shared Internet connections and still get the privacy and security they got from the more expensive networks, and tools for cracking computer security devices are also routine commercial product, just like pressure gauges for checking car tires or chemical emissions detectors for car exhaust.
