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Re: Reg - Linotype copyright action on Adobe-format fonts
On Tuesday, December 18, 2001, at 10:12 AM, David Honig wrote: At 07:35 PM 12/17/01 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: ATM is Adobe Type Manager. Linotype is a big font house. Intellectual Property laws for fonts are normally even stranger than for regular material, but if any of these are in Postscript, they're also programs, so there may be DMCA issues, and there's obviously some contractual relationship with Adobe that lets them copyright implementations. IIRC fonts are not copyrightable in the US, but are elsewhere, yes? The shape of the glyphs is not copyrightable, but the application of a specific name to that set of glyphs is. You can copy *exactly* the shape of a font, and just call it something else. Helvetica-Arial/Geneva/Swiss (actually *slightly* different, but that was more an artifact of the original technology for them, Arial is TT, Geneva was a bitmapped font from Way Back on the Mac etc.) Times-New York on the mac (as Helvetica is to Geneva, so Times is to New York, IIRC). Oh, but don't do it by just renaming the postscript, that's copyright infringement on the *code*, as is (probably) using some sort of Postscript-TT conversion that renames as it goes. Assuming that's correct, then an algorithmic font (eg Postscript) could be turned into an albeit large static set of pixels which wouldn't be copyrightable in the US. That would be utterly pointless (no pun intended). The value of Postscript is that it *isn't* a set of pixels. -- Remember, half-measures can be very effective if all you deal with are half-wits.--Chris Klein
Steal This Essay 1: Content Is a Pure Public Good
Originally published in TidBITS#602/22-Oct-01; see http://www.tidbits.com/ for more information. Steal This Essay 1: Content Is a Pure Public Good by Dan Kohn Steal this essay, or, why these sorts of essays represent the future of all publishing. Hint: I'm not getting paid for them. Freedom of the press belongs to those who own one. - A.J. Liebling If you or anyone you know has ever or will ever produce content (writing, music, video, etc.) and hopes to get paid for it, you should be afraid. To see why, start by downloading (for free, of course) one of the numerous peer-to-peer file sharing systems such as Aimster, LimeWire, and eDonkey2000 that have emerged hydra-like to take the place of Napster, whose head was cut off this spring by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA). You will find that much the same selection of MP3 music that was on Napster is still available for free, as well as being accompanied by more and more movies (ripped directly from DVDs), and nearly all other forms of content, from Shakespeare's works to hard core adult materials. http://www.aimster.com/ http://www.limewire.com/ http://www.edonkey2000.com/ http://www.napster.com/ http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbser=1206 What you will not find - even if you are the RIAA - is anyone to sue. Because unlike Napster, there are no companies underlying the software infrastructure, no servers to confiscate, no officers on whom to serve papers. The next generation of peer-to-peer clients relies on no central infrastructure whatsoever, and is being developed by a loose knit group of developers spread around the world, all donating their significant efforts without any real hope of getting paid for their work. All of the developers are men - or teenage boys - and though not following the typical societal track toward prestige, they are just as competitive as any rival athletes or entrepreneurs. Many are distributing their software as open source, so anyone else can fix bugs and make improvements. What this means is not just that the RIAA is applying makeup to the corpse of the music industry as we've known it. In fact, it heralds an even larger change about how all content is created and distributed, and raises serious questions as to whether content creators (such as the author of this essay) will ever be compensated for our work. Read a few dozen articles by top technology analysts, and it is often difficult to find one that doesn't breathlessly declare how this or that new technology represents a sea change, an inflection point, or the end of history. In fact, while the Internet's growth rates have been quite high, other technologies such as radio and gas cooking have actually been adopted faster. It may be, though, that all of the hype surrounding the digital duplication and peer-to-peer distribution of content actually underestimates the impact on the authors and publishers of music, movies, and written works. Put simply, in a world where there are essentially no costs to replicate content and it is effectively impossible to stop anyone from doing so at will, the current economic model underpinning content creation will be dead. Despite the protestations of lawyers, (certain) rock bands, and legislatures (all on the same losing side, oddly enough), we are entering that brave new world. If, as this hard technology determinist viewpoint suggests, content is destined to be free - i.e., the content creators and publishers will not be directly compensated the way they are today when you make a purchase from your local CD store - then the real question is what system could replace the content compensation system that has worked quite well for the last 300 years. However, implementing revenue models for infinitely redistributable goods is not an entirely novel question, and there are several economic models that can support the creation of content. What there may not be is enough revenue to support the publishers of that content in addition to the authors, which helps explain why the RIAA is so eager to thwart digital distribution. When an ecosystem undergoes severe environmental changes, certain organisms that were previously essential - like the cyanobacteria that originally converted carbon dioxide to oxygen, or the record companies' AR men - may recede to minor ecological niches. Economists have a term for what digital goods have become. Items are nonrival when we can all make use of them without anyone having to give them up. If I copy your CD, you're none the worse for it (nonrival), but if I steal your car, you will probably be upset (rival). Goods are nonexcludable when it becomes impractical to stop everyone from making use of the item, once one person can. It is infeasible, for instance, to stop additional viewers of broadcast television (nonexcludable), while it is very feasible to stop additional moviegoers from entering a theater (excludable).
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Re: Steal This Essay 1: Content Is a Pure Public Good
This guy's essay is really good. And it only took him a few minutes! Originally published in TimBITS#602/22-Oct-01; see http://www.timbits.com/ for more information. Steal This Essay 1: Content Is a Pure Public Good by Tim May Steal this essay, or, why these sorts of essays represent the future of all publishing. Hint: I'm not getting paid for them. Freedom of the press belongs to those who own one. - A.J. Liebling If you or anyone you know has ever or will ever produce content (writing, music, video, etc.) and hopes to get paid for it, you should be afraid. To see why, start by downloading (for free, of course) one of the numerous peer-to-peer file sharing systems such as Aimster, LimeWire, and eDonkey2000 that have emerged hydra-like to take the place of Napster, whose head was cut off . --Tim May The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant. --John Stuart Mill
Re: Steal This Essay 1: Content Is a Pure Public Good
I found youse some text warez at ambulanzen.Enjoy! Subject: On Negativity Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Future of Negativity All advice is bad, but good advice is fatal. Oscar Wilde The future has become completely predictable; a script that is being worked through from A to Z. The Plan has finally prevailed. There are merely some anomalies, corrections that have not yet been made. All arguments are for the following of the prescribed route. It is true that there are always a number of simultaneous scenarios that are partially overlapping and partially mutually exclusive. But they have one thing in common: they are all true. Will it be an ecological catastrophe or an atom bomb? Whichever you request. Humanitarian disaster or military defeat? The choice is yours. Will it be abstract or figurative? Whichever way the wind blows. Brazil or China? All options have been thought through. All the right specialists have been found and their reports are ready and waiting to be implemented. The field of vision has narrowed to one perspective, wherever you look. There are no surprises, only possibilities. Reread Musil. Even the biggest problems (AIDS in Africa, Bin Laden in Afghanistan, CCP in the WTO, Bush in Washington) will never be more than entrances to new markets. At the moment they appear, all phenomena already contain the structure of this model. All that remains to us is the dull task of unravelling the software underneath. The number of programmes is extremely limited. The hermeneutic and semiotic reading of the world puts up a smokescreen which manages to enchant us again and again with its wealth of shapes, turns and suggestions of depth, but alas, in fact it is all a bit simpler than that. The theory of difference is no more than a cloth for the bleeding in the abimes superficiels. Unbearable (and irresistible) simplicity is no longer really distinguishable from banality, and this sends many a public intellectual fleeing to the safe haven of interpretation. Through this mechanism, an originally critical practice like cultural studies has slipped away into a safe, meaningless sketch of image culture. Visual culture has degenerated into a profession with prospects. This is how modelistic thinking works: once you get it, you can apply it to anything. We locate this suprahistory when we train our gaze on the sub-human level. The drama of micropolitics: the pension plan is in place by the time you're 21. Try and get out from under that. A little heli-skiing won't do it. Total burnout at 26 seems like it might help, but it turns out later to have been just a sabbatical. RSI at 14? Just as easily. What else is the future but paying off mortgages and life insurance? The secret collective longing for a market crash, i.e. a world war, remains a last, authentic expression of the longing to make a clean sweep, to undergo an adventure and then start all over. The hippies supplied this model. There's no running aground, lost ideals or middle-aged cynicism in this case that would have been the fall-of-man model. Yesterday's hippies are today's crisis managers, guiding whole peoples at a time through their dips. They work according to the dynamic model, which uses resistance to get ahead by systematically improvising. In this model, things must go wrong for one to become a success. This is in contrast to the compulsory positivism that three-quarters of the world must disavow to preserve its good humour. Hippie thinking is happy with any opposition and derives its energy from it. Negativity rejects every model; that much is clear. But is repudiation, however elegant or brutal, not itself also a model? Negativity distinguishes itself rigorously from deconstructivism. Deconstruction is an installation CD-ROM that always works. But the software's ability to anticipate is nil. Something must be built up before it can be taken apart, thus the orientation to the past. The nice thing about this model, however, is its youthful elan in believing that the future can be predicted. That is the game Soros plays. His theory of reflectivity is based on a solid foundation of European negativity. This is why he can stay ahead of the wave,most often, while legions of market analysts get caught in their own sales speeches, whose nonsense they can never understand, since belief in their spiels is precisely the product they're selling. And non-monetary negativity, where is that? Who can enjoy the certainty of decline, and benefit from it? What a riddle! But one thing is sure: there will always be enough that can be destroyed. As long as there is death, there is hope. The future of thinking, the development of forms of expression, planetary architecture, these are all projects of others. Negativity is an experimental attitude, an exercise in remembering, followed now and then by a short series of outbursts, and then a long period of hiding inside normality. Optimism can turn into gloominess. On the other hand, it is
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http://www.business-humanrights.org/China.htm the internet great wall of china,gulag to rival the US,state murders,Tibet,etc,etc,etc...measl your worse than jamesd,you might get a spotters fee,though. I trust your aware of repression in china,nortels contribution and assassination politics.This is re.http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/ non-political my ass.
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IRS Agent Goes Berserk, Assaults Citizen, by Pat Shannan
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:25:41 -0800 From: Deon Masker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ddDeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Conspiracy-Theory] Fw: [Renegades_Coalition] IRS Agent Goes Berserk, Assaults Citizen, by Pat Shannan Disclaimer: ~~For entertainment or educational purposes only~~ [Title 17 U.S.C. section 107] Should this email has reached you in error, please return it with removePatriotList in the subject line or just click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=removePatriot/88L - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: IRS Agent Goes Berserk, Assaults Citizen, by Pat Shannan From the news Desk at YACE Freedom 91.9 FM Help spread the news! Long Live the Republic, Death to the new world order! IRS Agent Goes Berserk, Assaults Citizen Local Cops, Sheriff Refuse to Prosecute http://www.4bypass.com/feature.htm by Pat Shannan Dec. 2001 A sign spotted recently over the door of one IRS office says: Seizure Fever Catch It! Word has it that the IRS agent with the best seizure rate for the week is rewarded with a brief respite and other job perks. Apparently the pressure to hit his weekly plunder bonus was more than one revenuer could stand, and when he was asked to show the law justifying his actions, he blew a head gasket. The Oct. 2 incident occurred when Wiley Davis, an IRS Team Manager from Colorado, became agitated with Las Vegas resident Ken Nicholson, 37, during a hearing to discuss an IRS lien against some property owned by Nicholson's friend, Keith Milbourn. Davis, 45, had been brought in from Denver specifically for the Milbourn case. The Las Vegas Tribune first reported the altercation as arising from a tax dispute involving an IRS lien against some property belonging to Ken Nicholson. This was inaccurate. Nicholson had gone along as counsel for his friends, Keith and Shawna Milbourn, and as a witness to the proceedings. It was Milbourn's case that was in dispute. They had also taken along court reporter Beatrice Conner, who caught the whole incident on audiotape. Nicholson had Power of Attorney to speak for Milbourn, 32. Davis was assisted by a female agent. Throughout the hearing, the two men made it clear that they were not going to take Davis' word for anything and would need actual documentation to prove the IRS' stand. Finally, Nicholson said that they would be willing to pay whatever the IRS claimed Milbourn owed if Davis could: 1) Produce a Notice and Demand for the tax; and 2) Give a Code Section which made Milbourn liable. Nicholson said, and witnesses as well as the tape recording concur, that Davis did not attempt to produce that evidence but instead became visibly angry, lost his self-control and attacked Nicholson. Offense is the Best Defense Out of nowhere, said Nicholson, he jumped up out of his chair and came around the table, grabbed my chair, and began bouncing it up and down. He shoved it forward and pushed me toward the table. [In the process,] my legs came apart and were straddling the arm of the chair. With three or four quick jerks, he yanked the arm of the chair upward and into my groin. Then he grabbed me and began to physically evict me from the room. Security officers came in and stopped the melee at the Oakley Boulevard office of the IRS in Las Vegas. Court stenographer Beatrice Conner was shocked speechless when Nicholson was knocked to the floor. It was totally without provocation, she said. He (Davis) was so angry and violent that if he had had a gun, he would have pulled it out! Keith Milbourn, who witnessed the whole meeting and scuffle, gave more details: By the time we called the police there were about ten people in the hallway including other agents, the witnesses and security guards, Milbourn told us, adding that the other IRS agent who was in the room, Renee Swells, was surprised and shocked by Davis' action. Swells was unavailable for comment. Milbourn and Nicholson had called 911 and the cops arrived in five minutes all gung-ho and ready to arrest Ken. However, when they heard the tape played back, they all fell silent, not knowing what to do. So the officers did nothing. No arrest was made. Both men said they tried to report the incident to the U.S. attorney's office, as well as the FBI, but both Justice Department entities declined to take their report. The same proved to be true at the county level with Sheriff Jerry Keller. I know that if I would have assaulted the IRS agent, I would be sitting in jail right now, Nicholson said. But because the IRS agent is the one who assaulted me, Metro [Las Vegas Police] only took a statement and let him go. Hidden Ball Trick When the Metro police came out, Nicholson gave a voluntary statement backed up by his witnesses and the tape recording. He was told that he would have to wait five days
IRS Agent Goes Berserk, Assaults Citizen, by Pat Shannan
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:25:41 -0800 From: Deon Masker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ddDeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Conspiracy-Theory] Fw: [Renegades_Coalition] IRS Agent Goes Berserk, Assaults Citizen, by Pat Shannan Disclaimer: ~~For entertainment or educational purposes only~~ [Title 17 U.S.C. section 107] Should this email has reached you in error, please return it with removePatriotList in the subject line or just click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=removePatriot/88L - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: IRS Agent Goes Berserk, Assaults Citizen, by Pat Shannan From the news Desk at YACE Freedom 91.9 FM Help spread the news! Long Live the Republic, Death to the new world order! IRS Agent Goes Berserk, Assaults Citizen Local Cops, Sheriff Refuse to Prosecute http://www.4bypass.com/feature.htm by Pat Shannan Dec. 2001 A sign spotted recently over the door of one IRS office says: Seizure Fever Catch It! Word has it that the IRS agent with the best seizure rate for the week is rewarded with a brief respite and other job perks. Apparently the pressure to hit his weekly plunder bonus was more than one revenuer could stand, and when he was asked to show the law justifying his actions, he blew a head gasket. The Oct. 2 incident occurred when Wiley Davis, an IRS Team Manager from Colorado, became agitated with Las Vegas resident Ken Nicholson, 37, during a hearing to discuss an IRS lien against some property owned by Nicholson's friend, Keith Milbourn. Davis, 45, had been brought in from Denver specifically for the Milbourn case. The Las Vegas Tribune first reported the altercation as arising from a tax dispute involving an IRS lien against some property belonging to Ken Nicholson. This was inaccurate. Nicholson had gone along as counsel for his friends, Keith and Shawna Milbourn, and as a witness to the proceedings. It was Milbourn's case that was in dispute. They had also taken along court reporter Beatrice Conner, who caught the whole incident on audiotape. Nicholson had Power of Attorney to speak for Milbourn, 32. Davis was assisted by a female agent. Throughout the hearing, the two men made it clear that they were not going to take Davis' word for anything and would need actual documentation to prove the IRS' stand. Finally, Nicholson said that they would be willing to pay whatever the IRS claimed Milbourn owed if Davis could: 1) Produce a Notice and Demand for the tax; and 2) Give a Code Section which made Milbourn liable. Nicholson said, and witnesses as well as the tape recording concur, that Davis did not attempt to produce that evidence but instead became visibly angry, lost his self-control and attacked Nicholson. Offense is the Best Defense Out of nowhere, said Nicholson, he jumped up out of his chair and came around the table, grabbed my chair, and began bouncing it up and down. He shoved it forward and pushed me toward the table. [In the process,] my legs came apart and were straddling the arm of the chair. With three or four quick jerks, he yanked the arm of the chair upward and into my groin. Then he grabbed me and began to physically evict me from the room. Security officers came in and stopped the melee at the Oakley Boulevard office of the IRS in Las Vegas. Court stenographer Beatrice Conner was shocked speechless when Nicholson was knocked to the floor. It was totally without provocation, she said. He (Davis) was so angry and violent that if he had had a gun, he would have pulled it out! Keith Milbourn, who witnessed the whole meeting and scuffle, gave more details: By the time we called the police there were about ten people in the hallway including other agents, the witnesses and security guards, Milbourn told us, adding that the other IRS agent who was in the room, Renee Swells, was surprised and shocked by Davis' action. Swells was unavailable for comment. Milbourn and Nicholson had called 911 and the cops arrived in five minutes all gung-ho and ready to arrest Ken. However, when they heard the tape played back, they all fell silent, not knowing what to do. So the officers did nothing. No arrest was made. Both men said they tried to report the incident to the U.S. attorney's office, as well as the FBI, but both Justice Department entities declined to take their report. The same proved to be true at the county level with Sheriff Jerry Keller. I know that if I would have assaulted the IRS agent, I would be sitting in jail right now, Nicholson said. But because the IRS agent is the one who assaulted me, Metro [Las Vegas Police] only took a statement and let him go. Hidden Ball Trick When the Metro police came out, Nicholson gave a voluntary statement backed up by his witnesses and the tape recording. He was told that he would have to wait five days
[Spy News] FBI expands hunt on warez scene (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 01:45:33 +0100 From: Mario Profaca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [Spy News] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Spy News] FBI expands hunt on warez scene http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=2023 FBI expands hunt on warez scene Posted by me101 on 07:51 EST on 18 Dec 2001 - 12:51 GMT | 25 comments Found this over on GeekNews, pointing to a story over on New Order, regarding some additional information in relation to the FBI's ongoing warez raids. The FBI has, in the past week, been involved in raids against WAREZ groups, including 90+ scene group senior members and leaders in US, Canada, Britain, Australia, Norway, 2 cracking groups in Poland. New raids are expected in the next days or so.. Now We've got confirmed insider information, that four major efnet servers are currently running in debug mode, which enables them to see ALL private traffic, like private chat, passwords sent to channel protection bots, messages, etc. and the information is being filtered and sent to the FBI, which requested this. Currently, a big EDU server, and .ORG server. --- This mail, sent by Mario Profaca, is clean, certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.309 / Virus Database: 170 - Release Date: 17. 12. 01 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/TySplB/TM -~- == SPY NEWS is OSINT newsletter and discussion list associated to Mario's Cyberspace Station http://mprofaca.cro.net/mainmenu.html == *** FAIR USE NOTICE. This message contains copyrighted material whose use has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. Spy News is making it available without profit to SPY NEWS eGroup members who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information in their efforts to advance the understanding of intelligence and law enforcement organizations, their activities, methods, techniques, human rights, civil liberties, social justice and other intelligence related issues, for non-profit research and educational purposes only. We believe that this constitutes a 'fair use' of the copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the U.S. Copyright Law. If you wish to use this copyrighted material for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use,' you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml --- SPY NEWS home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spynews To change your subscription mode to Daily Digest (one message a day) send a blank message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that replying to THIS e-mail will not remove you from the mailing list. To unsubscribe SPYNEWS send a blank message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario Profaca, independent journalist, SPY NEWS eGroup list owner, editor moderator, is a member of of the Committee of Concerned Journalists, an initiative administered through the offices of the Project for Excellence in Journalism in Washington, D.C. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: CNN.com on Remailers
David Honig wrote: At 02:42 PM 12/18/01 -0800, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, David Honig wrote: Can't spam be repelled by not forwarding email not encrypted to the remailer's key? Who is to say that spammers won't use remailer clients that automatically encrypt to the remailers' keys? Yes they could. Using remailer clients should be *easy*. Saying this is too hard for the average spammer to figure out isn't acceptable. The most commonly held point of view that I've perceived on this list is that spammers are too lazy/stupid to do this -or even add a simple string token to a line. To maximize their efficiency *, spammers want to send the same message to everyone on a large list of addresses, with a small amount of effort and attention on their part. Any special effort necessary to get the spam to a given address is not a worthwhile ROI. (And it's probably not worth the effort to remove the address from the list, either.) This is also the point behind the hashcash proposal: the sender's machine has to burn a certain number of cycles to make a hash which will convince the recipient to accept each message. ** * Efficiency is the useful output divided by the effort input. Efficiency for a useless endeavor such as spamming is problematical. ** Eric, if you're reading this, I really am putting some work in on this, just not at a high enough rate to produce any output. Efficiency of 0. -- Steve Furlong, Computer Condottiere Have GNU, will travel
Re: AP Al quim
On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Sunder wrote: So from your reply, I'll assume the answer to my So are you finally evolving? question is still No. Sorry, you can't imply anything other than what is openly stated in my commentary. Implicatives will bite you in the butt. I'll take that to still mean No :) I, and everyone in the world, is aware that commerce != capitalism, Not hardly. To whom does Not hardly refer to exactly? Care to point the individual names of those who are not aware that commerce != capitalism so that we can both ask them? and that you are avoiding the question. And EXACTLY what question might that be? You ramble so much it gets hard to follow what you're talking about NOW. Deja Vue. Now if you'd only see yourself through that lens. The question I asked you was in this quote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Sunder wrote: Oh, you mean like the parable of the ants and the grasshopper? Where the ants get the results of the work they put into it, and the grasshopper who didn't do any work starves and freezes in the winter? So now you're saying that the very thing you've had a problem in the past with because it's capitalism is now a good thing. Which was in response to this message: On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote: Don't confuse having a high standard of excellence with simple egotism (which is the majority of the cases with both your examples). And no, a meritocracy isn't disriminatory. You get what you put into it, not what somebody else thinks it's worth. Since capitalism is a meritocracy (Those who work eat; Those who don't starve) and you've stated that meritocracies are good, are you at long last saying that capitalism is a good thing? --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net
Re: AP Al quim, Tim May Torn asunder.
That question was not posed to you. Unless you are Jim Bell, fuck off. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, mattd wrote: Sunder...you have to agree that you also have no problem with capitalism.
Re: Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case
Sigh... I wonder if there is anything inChoate doesn't misunderstand We may never know... --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: Choate misunderstands journalism. When writing about an appeals court
Re: Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case
Ok, show of hands Who here claims to be a member of CACL? Ok, of those who claim to be members of CACL's, who claims to be a self-appointed CACL genius? Tim? Declan? Anyone? --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Gil Hamilton wrote: It's interesting to note how much more pleasant Choate was in his early days on the list. In those days, he was not so intent on showing everyone that he was an authority on all possible subjects. That was before I knew what kind of sharks swim in this pool. You don't like my interaction then change yours. I treat you people the way you treated me back then. I didn't start it. Go talk to Tim, Delcan, and the rest of the self-appointed CACL geniuses. You reap what you sow. -- Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: MS DRM OS
At 12:38 AM 12/19/01 +, Graham Lally wrote: Ralph Wallis wrote: On Monday, 17 Dec 2001 at 07:58, Michael Motyka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone who knows more than I do explain to me why this MS IP is anything other than making the owner of a PC unable to have root access to their own hardware/OS? If so it seems to be an idea unworthy of protection from lawyers and men with guns. A more correct analogy is with speed limiters on cars. On your own roads. And the car maker tells you where you can go to. And which route you have to take. And where you can end up. And then forces you to pay for a map. And tells you which brand of gasoline you can burn under penalty of law for using others. And treats go-carts as circumvention devices.
Re: Steal This Essay 1: Content Is a Pure Public Good
From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] This guy's essay is really good. And it only took him a few minutes! Ok, WHAT essay? You just quoted a few lines, attributed them to Tim May (hello???), and added an URL to a site currently in construction. Mark
Re: Reg - Linotype copyright action on Adobe-format fonts
At 11:47 PM 12/18/01 -0800, Petro wrote: That would be utterly pointless (no pun intended). The value of Postscript is that it *isn't* a set of pixels. No, it wouldn't be pointless. Postscript is not the only way to print. It is the equivalent of using a function that approximates the sine() function to generate a table of trig values. The function's code is copyrighted, but the table of values isn't. And yes, there are still uses for tables of trig values.
IRS Agent Goes Berserk, Cops refuse to prosecute, and AP candidates
At 01:17 PM 12/19/01 +0200, Jei wrote: -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:25:41 -0800 From: Deon Masker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ddDeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Conspiracy-Theory] Fw: [Renegades_Coalition] IRS Agent Goes Berserk, Assaults Citizen, by Pat Shannan You know, historically, when there is no reliable justice system, society gets blood feuds, etc. When the justice system is unreliable for sheeple but reliable for a special class, maybe AP *does* have a future. Meanwhile the traditional bag of cash friend of a friend will have to do.
Re: Encrypted Distributed Filesystem With Linux?
Hi! http://www.cyber-ark.com/ ? Gilles. Jei wrote: With over 2GB in size and on 2.4 Linux kernels? Say, an 80gb filesystem image that is encrypted with XXX over a loop device YYY to a filesystem image that resides on ZZZ. Is there any way to do this or something similar to it? I browsed the net but PPDD + CODA doesn't quite seem to get me there. Neither does SFS or CFS or TCFS or any of the other alternatives I found. The freenet clones seem all too insecure and freenet is just a piece of java code. Not suitable for any *real* use. All links and suggestions are very welcome.. - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Gilles Gravier - Platform Infrastructure - SDN - EMEA Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sun Microsystems Phone: +41 22 7077856 2 rue de Jargonnant Fax: +41 86 0794351051 CH-1207 Geneva PGP Key ID: 0xF5F60C45Switzerland My Current Location is: N:046°12'03.8 - E:006°09'31.9 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Digital Angel gets under the skin after all
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-121901chips.story Applied Digital Solutions is pursuing the implantable chip after all. It's not the GPS-trackable unit yet, but more like the doggie chips. The L.A. Times story says it holds up to 60 words in one place, and several sentences of information in another. Interesting that they plan to be to market in South America in 90 days (because of fewer required regulatory permissions). They say they expect FDA and FCC approval here by midyear. Anyone want to get barcoded? -- Roy M. Silvernail Proprietor, scytale.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: CNN.com on Remailers
On 18 December 2001, Meyer Wolfsheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, David Honig wrote: Can't spam be repelled by not forwarding email not encrypted to the remailer's key? Who is to say that spammers won't use remailer clients that automatically encrypt to the remailers' keys? Using remailer clients should be *easy*. Saying this is too hard for the average spammer to figure out isn't acceptable. In fact, spammers currently *do* send mail encrypted to the remailers' keys. It's a pain in the ass trying to filter the damn stuff out. Ben Xain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Digital Angel gets under the skin after all
Roy M. Silvernail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-121901chips.story Applied Digital Solutions is pursuing the implantable chip after all. It's not the GPS-trackable unit yet, but more like the doggie chips. The L.A. Times story says it holds up to 60 words in one place, and several sentences of information in another. Interesting that they plan to be to market in South America in 90 days (because of fewer required regulatory permissions). They say they expect FDA and FCC approval here by midyear. Anyone want to get barcoded? No thanks. In defenerence to historical precendent I would prefer a tatoo on my forearm. I would tolerate an updated version that consisted of 10 hex digits - in deference to the modern computer re-evolution. They're warming the ovens... -- Roy M. Silvernail Mike
RE: CNN.com on Remailers
Ben Xain[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, David Honig wrote: Can't spam be repelled by not forwarding email not encrypted to the remailer's key? In fact, spammers currently *do* send mail encrypted to the remailers' keys. It's a pain in the ass trying to filter the damn stuff out. Ben Xain [EMAIL PROTECTED] First I've heard that. Frankly, I'm suprised. One solution, which I've long advocated, is for the remailer to drop mail which has an unencrypted body after it's applied it's decryption key. Provided this is an announced policy, substantially increases the protection of the mail and the remop. It does mean that only people capable of using encryption can receive mail via the remailer, but that's probably a *good* thing. Peter Trei This e-mail, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and are PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. Access by any other party is unauthorized without the express prior written permission of the sender. If you have received this e-mail in error you may not copy, disclose to any third party or use the contents, attachments or information in any way, Please delete all copies of the e-mail and the attachment(s), if any and notify the sender. Thank You.
Academic freedom dead in Fla
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011219/ts/attacks_professor_1.html Wednesday December 19 12:19 PM ET South Fla. Professor May Be Fired By VICKIE CHACHERE, Associated Press Writer TAMPA, Fla. (AP) - University of South Florida's trustees agreed Wednesday a Palestinian professor linked to known terrorists should be fired for disrupting university operations. Sami al-Arian, a tenured computer science professor at the public university, has been the subject of continuous death threats because of his support for anti-Israeli interests. Al-Arian's appearance on a national television talk show after the Sept. 11 attacks prompted a stream of threats against him and the university. Al-Arian has been on paid leave as a security risk since, but in recent weeks his continued employment has prompted alumni and university donors to withdraw their support, university President Judy Genshaft said. Genshaft has the power to dismiss Al-Arian and has advocated the move, but she sought guidance from the trustees before proceeding. The next step would be a letter of notice of the pending dismissal that would give him 10 days to respond. Al-Arian, who has been at the school since 1986, was not immediately available for comment, according to staffers at an Islamic school and community center that he runs. The recommendation prompted concern that academic freedom was being threatened and Al-Arian was being fired because of his unpopular views. Al-Arian once headed an academic think tank on Islamic issues, World and Islam Studies Enterprises, later connected to fund raising for the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. His brother-in-law, Mazen al-Najjar was jailed for three years on secret evidence as a threat to national security. The think tank was raided by the FBI (news - web sites) in 1995 and its assets were frozen. Another former head of the think tank, Ramadan Abdulah Shallah, left it in 1995 and resurfaced as the head of a terrorist organization, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Al-Arian has never been detained or charged with a crime, but the institute and a related charity for Palestinians had been accused by the FBI and Immigration and Naturalization Service agents of being a fund-raising front for terrorists. He was videotaped at some of the institute conferences a decade ago rallying the crowd with shouts of ``death to Israel.'' He now says he was making a political statement regarding the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and what he considers Israeli oppression, not advocating deaths of people. Al-Arian appeared on a Sept. 26 segment of Fox News Channel's ``The O'Reilly Factor'' and was questioned about his links to known terrorists as the television screen displayed the university's logo. A barrage of threats by telephone and e-mail the next day forced university police to shut down the computer science department where Al-Arian worked, a day later he was banned from campus.
RE: CNN.com on Remailers
One solution, which I've long advocated, is for the remailer to drop mail which has an unencrypted body after it's applied it's decryption key. Provided this is an announced policy, substantially increases the protection of the mail and the remop. It does mean that only people capable of using encryption can receive mail via the remailer, but that's probably a *good* thing. No, that is a terrible idea. It totally destroys the usefulness of remailers on Usenet and mailing lists. Make your system so hard to use that no one uses it. That way, no one will abuse it! Pshaw.
RE: CNN.com on Remailers
Last I heard, neither MAE East, nor MAE West were ever dragged into court on co-conspiritor charges just because packets from some German hacker kid hopped through their Cisco's. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Eugene Leitl wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: If I were a remailer operator, I'm not sure I'd like this. Active cooperation with another remaler operator means that if he/she/it does something illegal, you could be dragged in How is this different from the current situation? Is usage of a specific mainstream protocol sufficient protection from conspiracy charges? Joe Bob Postfixuser is hardly a remailer operator. on 'conspiracy' charges, regardless whether you actually had any knowledge of the the other operators nefarious activities. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3
RE: CNN.com on Remailers
On 19 December 2001, Peter Trei wrote: Ben Xain[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] In fact, spammers currently *do* send mail encrypted to the remailers' keys. It's a pain in the ass trying to filter the damn stuff out. First I've heard that. Frankly, I'm suprised. One solution, which I've long advocated, is for the remailer to drop mail which has an unencrypted body after it's applied it's decryption key. Provided this is an announced policy, substantially increases the protection of the mail and the remop. It does mean that only people capable of using encryption can receive mail via the remailer, but that's probably a *good* thing. I don't think that's necessarily a good idea. It would eliminate or reduce the anonymous remailer's usefulness for posting to newsgroups and mailing lists. Add to that the concept of some anonymous remailer users being informants or corporate whistle-blowers, who will often be contacting law enforcement or media officials and won't have access to public keys for encryption. Instead, it would be a good idea for remailers to find some other means of filtering spam. There are some great tools out there that might be useful for this, such as nilsimsa. Ben Xain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CNN.com on Remailers
On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Faustine wrote: Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them did have nightmares about the Constitution. Not as a piece of paper dancing around on Mickey Mouse legs or whatever the hell you're getting at, but as an idea repersenting the rule of law that was going to lead to them being jailed for murder. Which unfortunately never happened, but so it goes. One would hope that the same guys that swore an oath to serve and protect the laws of the USA would realize that the very first such set of laws was and is the Constitution. Certainly power does corrupt, but you've got to think that at one point in their lives before they became G men, they had it in mind that they were doing something good and wholesome in working for Uncle Sam, and protecting Americans and the American Way of Life (as defined by the Declaration of Independance, the Bill of Rights, etc.) Unless of course it was a choice between flippin' Big Mac's and workin' for Uncle Sam... but I digress.. :) They are supposed to be the good guys after all - serving the law (and by definition the greatest law of the USA - its Constitution). You know, they're supposed to be the ones wearing the white cowboy hats. The ones that never start the gun fights, but always win them, the ones that help old ladies cross the corral... Not the cattle rustlin', horse theiving, lying, cussin', motherlovin', train-robbin', scandal covering up guys who in the movies are always wearing black cowboy hats. Seeing creatures (as in the lore of H.P. Lovecraft) such as Janet Reno, Lon Hirouchi (sp?) and Jeff Gordon, one wants to walk up to them and ask Where did you go astray? What corrupted you? Or were you just attracted to power like a horsefly to fresh dog shit? --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net
ok, you win... please help
Ok, i am not gonna reply with a mean reply. I hope you can understand what is going on. Let me please explain, and mabey you can help me. I have four emails I use to book bands for my business, these are the emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, as of about a week ago, mabey less, i started to recieve stuff from CDR: Mailing list. Now, again, i woulnt have a problem with you sending me mabey a mailer aday, but, i am getting over 60 emails in my inbox. Just this morning, i had 132 emails in this email alone, which overloaded my yahoo account. I have looked at the Unscribing methods, and on my fathers grave I have. I have tried everything to be removed.I get replied with Unscribe No Reconized. Now, for one, i just want this to please stop. I dont know how i got on her, mabey someone is playing a joke on me, I dont know, and they added me? but, again, all my emails are getting these CDR: replies. What can i do to have this stop, Again , i have tried what you said and its not working. I dont want any trouble from you, honestly, i just want to get back to business. My emails is the only way i communicate over the country with clubs and bookers and bands. If you can give me step my step instruction, that would help. mabey i am a moron, but, i do need some help here. Best Regards, Steve Juliano = MSM Management 5713 Harco St. Long Beach, CA 90808 Office: (213) 760-2258 Http://www.thesilencemusic.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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Re: CDR: ok, you win... please help
i got a emptpy reply from you...just curious on what you were trying to send me. Thanks, -Steve --- The Silence Booking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, i am not gonna reply with a mean reply. I hope you can understand what is going on. Let me please explain, and mabey you can help me. I have four emails I use to book bands for my business, these are the emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, as of about a week ago, mabey less, i started to recieve stuff from CDR: Mailing list. Now, again, i woulnt have a problem with you sending me mabey a mailer aday, but, i am getting over 60 emails in my inbox. Just this morning, i had 132 emails in this email alone, which overloaded my yahoo account. I have looked at the Unscribing methods, and on my fathers grave I have. I have tried everything to be removed.I get replied with Unscribe No Reconized. Now, for one, i just want this to please stop. I dont know how i got on her, mabey someone is playing a joke on me, I dont know, and they added me? but, again, all my emails are getting these CDR: replies. What can i do to have this stop, Again , i have tried what you said and its not working. I dont want any trouble from you, honestly, i just want to get back to business. My emails is the only way i communicate over the country with clubs and bookers and bands. If you can give me step my step instruction, that would help. mabey i am a moron, but, i do need some help here. Best Regards, Steve Juliano = MSM Management 5713 Harco St. Long Beach, CA 90808 Office: (213) 760-2258 Http://www.thesilencemusic.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com = MSM Management 5713 Harco St. Long Beach, CA 90808 Office: (213) 760-2258 Http://www.thesilencemusic.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: Re: Speech May Not Be Free, but It's Refundable
On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Joseph Ashwood wrote: You have a right to do whatever you want, UNTIL it impacts another. Then you stop, or they defend themselves. Actually that's not true. Take for example the nearly nationwide ban on committing suicide. Which simply goes on to demonstrate the grave difference between what is morally permissible on the one hand and legal on the other. Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], tel:+358-50-5756111 student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front openpgp: 050985C2/025E D175 ABE5 027C 9494 EEB0 E090 8BA9 0509 85C2
Re: AP Al quim
On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Sunder wrote: Since capitalism is a meritocracy (Those who work eat; That is certainly a good definition of 'commerce', it is not accurate for 'capitalism'. Capitalism represents the belief that $$$ is the primary goal in life. That he who collects the most is the best. That all things can be reduced to a 'price'. It is a faulty assumption and a warped view of humanity. As are yours. Finis. -- Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Sunder wrote: Ok, show of hands Who here claims to be a member of CACL? Ok, of those who claim to be members of CACL's, who claims to be a self-appointed CACL genius? Tim? Declan? Anyone? You should quit your day job and take this on the road. -- Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: ok, you win... please help
sigh His lists are closed. This means that somebody on his list is forwarding the emails or else they've hacked the security at Yahoo. There are NO *@yahoogroups.com or *@yahoo.com subscriptions through SSZ currently. There should be no subscription of *@ssz.com to any *@yahoo.com address either (and my logs show no evidence of receipt of traffic either way). I've explained to this guy he is being spoofed and he just don't get it. On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, The Silence Booking wrote: Ok, i am not gonna reply with a mean reply. I hope you can understand what is going on. Let me please explain, and mabey you can help me. I have four emails I use to book bands for my business, these are the emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, as of about a week ago, mabey less, i started to recieve stuff from CDR: Mailing list. Now, again, i woulnt have a problem with you sending me mabey a mailer aday, but, i am getting over 60 emails in my inbox. Just this morning, i had 132 emails in this email alone, which overloaded my yahoo account. I have looked at the Unscribing methods, and on my fathers grave I have. I have tried everything to be removed.I get replied with Unscribe No Reconized. Now, for one, i just want this to please stop. I dont know how i got on her, mabey someone is playing a joke on me, I dont know, and they added me? but, again, all my emails are getting these CDR: replies. What can i do to have this stop, Again , i have tried what you said and its not working. I dont want any trouble from you, honestly, i just want to get back to business. My emails is the only way i communicate over the country with clubs and bookers and bands. If you can give me step my step instruction, that would help. mabey i am a moron, but, i do need some help here. Best Regards, Steve Juliano = MSM Management 5713 Harco St. Long Beach, CA 90808 Office: (213) 760-2258 Http://www.thesilencemusic.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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Re: CDR: Independent News - American Taliban has no right to lawyer,insists White House
On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=110994 You know I've heard of alot about this today, mostly gibberish which was at least cleared up by the above link. Thanks. I find myself in an interesting position WRT John Walker. I admire him for having the strength of his convictions, and volunteering to fight for the side he believes is right, in the finest American tradition. But at the same time, I gotta tell you, I agree that he is a prisoner of war. Declared or not, let's face it, he was captured on an active field of battle - he's *not* a civilian, he's a combatant, and subject to the whims of the military. This has got to be one of the only times I can ever remember thinking that our military (much less Shrub) was actually *right* about something. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
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Re: Independent News - American Taliban has no right to lawyer, insists White House
On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not, let's face it, he was captured on an active field of battle - he's *not* a civilian, he's a combatant, and subject to the whims of the military. Tell that to the Jews... -- Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
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Re: CDR: Re: Independent News - American Taliban has no right tolawyer, insists White House
On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not, let's face it, he was captured on an active field of battle - he's *not* a civilian, he's a combatant, and subject to the whims of the military. Tell that to the Jews... The _Jews_??? What the hell does this have to do with the fucking Jews? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: Independent News - American Taliban has no right to lawyer, insists White House
On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not, let's face it, he was captured on an active field of battle - he's *not* a civilian, he's a combatant, and subject to the whims of the military. Tell that to the Jews... The _Jews_??? What the hell does this have to do with the fucking Jews? Just one example of arguments to the contrary of 'whims of the military'. Poland, Warsaw. Demonstrates a serious lack of respect for 'inalienable'. -- Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: CDR: Re: AP Al quim
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I knew this would happen, I just knew it... On Wednesday 19 December 2001 08:02 pm, Jim Choate wrote: snip Would you mind sticking to the topic? I did not say Communism was a form of Capitalism, I said Capitalism and Communism were both forms of Commerce. Just checking. So you recognize a distinction between 'capitalism' and 'commerce' too... bangs head repeatedly against wall Of course there's a frigging distinction. I said that the first time around. My problem with your statement is not that you said there was a distinction, it was your definition. No. The belief that capitalism is the only mechanism to solve problems is philosophy, not commerce, and pretty bad philosophy at that. And what makes you think capitalism isn't just that, a philosophy. Capitalism is not philosophy for the same reason that a dog is not cheese. Capitalism is a economic system, a form of commerce, and nothing more. Philosophy is a method of looking at the world around you and attempting to apply a system of rules to it. You can have a philosophy that includes capitalism - either positivly or negatively - but you cannot have capitalism *as* a philosophy. That is quite literally like saying having a nice car is happiness. It's not. Having a nice car might make you happy, but it is not itself happiness. Please go back to third grade and relearn the concept of symbolism. In fact 'capitalism' is just like 'communism' or 'democracy', or even anarcho-capitalism, in that respect. It's nothing more than the prioritization of goals and resources. No. Capitalism is an economic system. Democracy is a form of government, one of the classic forms as a matter of fact. Communism is both, but it is not the same thing - Communist government is essentially a form of pure democracy, in that all members of the commune have an equal say in the distribution of the resources of the commune, exactly as a pure democracy does. Communism as an economic system is a model which posits the distribution of resources (output) based purely on need, and the distribution of work (input) purely on ability, with relationship defined between input and output. It's distinction is that it posits that by making lots of money all the other problems somehow take care of themselves. In the long run it'll all work out. Assuming of course there is still anyone around...God $$$ Fascism is what Capitalism is. No. I already defined capitalism. You weren't paying attention. Five demerits. What you have defined is a philosophy, a belief system which incorporates capitalism. The important difference is that your philosophy, in an infantile way, ascribes motives and emotions to the workings of capitalism. This is incorrect. When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Anonymous You mean: When all you have is a hammer, all problems start to look like nails. Samual Clemens a.k.a. Mark Twain Attribution, Iago, attribution! 'Commerce' has two definitions. The first is involving the economic exchange of goods and services. The second is any interchange between individuals. Your first definition is doublespeak. You just stated that commerce is an economic exchange of goods and services. Economics are of course a major portion of commerce - in fact, if you include in economics emotional exchanges, it can be said to be equal to commerce. So your statement is semantically true, but valueless, since anything is of course equal to itself. Your second is a limited definition - change individuals to any entity and you have exactly the same definition I gave when I joined the thread, in contradiction to your own statement about the definition of commerce and capitalism. commerce' (and I'm speaking from an axiomatic and algorithmic perspective if that's not clear, not philosophical). You can speak axiomatically, or algorithmically, but you can't do both. Axiomatic is philisophical, algorithmic is mathematical. The two are not synonymous. And this after all brings us right back to the original question. Does everything have a price or not? Which is an interesting (if pointless) question, but it's not the original question. The original question is whether or not you were giving the correct definitions of commerce and capitalism, and of course you were not. Raise your hand if you're shocked. - -- Matt Beland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rearviewmirror.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8IXobBxcVTa6Gy5wRAvlAAJ9mhJZ8XU+d5e3jpdZPWgnZ4zT/SACeJUTV qD/EtEXHgVYfY8ghCELtxQo= =XtOs -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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Re: AP Al quim
All it claims to be is a system that allows private/corporate ownership of goods where decisions are made by private (versus government) decision and of course free market. Why is AP frowned on? It seems to fit the paradigm. Along with slavery,overfishing,overlogging,drugdealing and so on. Please dont arrest me officer,Im an anarcho-capitalist!
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I recently got a phone call from my ISP RE:The Pacifier,spitting the dummy letters.J.Thomson the lawyer was harassing them and calling them twits,stating that the FBI had been informed about me and so on.Some of the mans charm shines through the pacifier letters.Oh he also claimed to have knowledge of various depraved or naughty websites that I surfed to! Seems if someone well heeled can hassle your ISP enough then *you*may be blamed for the wasted time at the ISP. Ill send a copy of AP to Speakeasy if you send one to Useoz.com.
Re: Pay per use remailers and remailer reliability tracking.
On 19 Dec 01 Len Sassaman wrote: (This isn't exact either. Failure, in this case, is pinpointed at the link between two remailers, rather than at a given remailer. If a user queried the bank and discovered that, out of a 5 remailer chain, remailers A, B, and C redeemed the tokens but D did not, this either means C is cheating, C is broken on sending, or D is broken on receiving. Further tests would be necessary to determine the exact nature of the failure.) Hmmm I have an idea about this. What if remailer C doesn't get to cash in on his tokens unless delivery to remailer D can be confirmed? Or maybe there is some other way to cut down on cheating. Ben Xain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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