Re: How to defeat spyware
On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 05:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > At 04:46 PM 1/7/2002 -0800, Tim May wrote: > On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 04:11 PM, Steve Schear wrote: > >>> How to defeat spyware >>> There's no way of knowing how many people are using them, but it must >>> be a bunch. Companies use them, the government uses them, and >>> suspicious spouses use them. I'm talking about keystroke >>> loggers--both software and hardware. > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2836055,00.html > >> Setting a trap gun to blow away anyone who inserts a floppy (or hooks >> up a cable) to a machine he has not been given access to is morally >> permissable. > > But legally a no-no. Its an indescriminate weapon. Better to hook up > the arsonal to an biometric authentication system which can be enabled > when you're away. That way if there's a mess to clean up upon arrival > you can tell the judge that the weapon wasn't indescriminate. > Or use the webcams to watch remotely who is trespassing in one's housethen start the gasoline leaking, wait about 20 seconds, then trigger the ignitors. The scene would be delicious...too bad the smell cannot be transmitted. "I love the smell of burning bacon...it smells like...victory." --Tim May, Corralitos, California Quote of the Month: "It is said that there are no atheists in foxholes; perhaps there are no true libertarians in times of terrorist attacks." --Cathy Young, "Reason Magazine," both enemies of liberty.
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Re: How to defeat spyware
> It seems pretty clear from the court documents that the Scarfo
> keyboard logger only recorded keystrokes. We don't have details
> ("classified," "national security," "CIPA") but the exhibit
> introduced as evidence shows backspaces, up-down arrows, and other
> functions you'd normally associate with keyboard entry only.
That does not mean that they were using only a primitive BIOS level
logger. A GUI-interceptor would generate a huge log of activities;
you would just pipe it through grep TYPE: KEYBOARD-INPUT or something
and it would give you the same thing. It doesn't really matter,
because GUI-interceptors are off-the-shelf things, so if they felt
they needed it, they would get it. It's all pretty basic.
Bottom line: If your attacker gets access to your hardware without you
knowing it, and he has resources and a clue, he wins. The threshold
for "clue" and "resources" in this case is very very low; maybe $100
to install your basic hardware keylogger.
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Re: How to defeat spyware
On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 08:52 PM, Declan McCullagh wrote: > On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 04:46:02PM -0800, Tim May wrote: >> Setting a trap gun to blow away anyone who inserts a floppy (or hooks >> up >> a cable) to a machine he has not been given access to is morally >> permissable. > > Except when the local firefighters show up when your house is on fire, > you're away, and the gun is rigged... > >> As the Mafia case shows, Big Brother and his courts no longer even >> think >> a warrant is needed. > > Actually, the warrant in the Scarfo case was signed by a federal > magistrate judge. That doesn't mean it's constitutional, but the > judge had exactly this in mind. I meant a wiretap warrant, as you talked about in your article. A "search warrant," duly presented to the resident and defining the general scope of the search, is substantially different from a wiretap order or secret search warrant. But such secret or extra-warrant search orders are part of the public lore, hence part of the current law. In "The Sopranos," Tony's entire house is wired for sound. In "Law and Order: Criminal Something or Other," a completely warrantless keystroke logger is inserted in a witnesses computer. I think those who violate the C. should be killed. --Tim May > --Tim May "They played all kinds of games, kept the House in session all night, and it was a very complicated bill. Maybe a handful of staffers actually read it, but the bill definitely was not available to members before the vote." --Rep. Ron Paul, TX, on how few Congresscritters saw the USA-PATRIOT Bill before voting overwhelmingly to impose a police state
Re: CDR: Re: End of the IRS??
> >Department of Justice U.S. Assistant Attorney Dan Bryant and Congressman > >Roscoe Bartlett (MD) signed a written agreement on July 20, 2001, for a > >recorded public hearing at which DOJ representatives will officially > >answer specific legal charges challenging the jurisdiction of the IRS and > >the illegal enforcement of U.S. income tax laws against U.S. citizens. IRS > >Commissioner Charles Rossotti has committed IRS representatives to > >participate. Since they have decided to "officially answer", it is obvious that it doesn't matter. They are either going to maintain that ratification was irrelevent, or that an act once recognized is taken as fact even if false (i.e., Shrubs ascedancy comes to mind). Does anyone really believe they are going to say "Oops! You're right, we aren't constitutional, so we're just going to disband."??? Um, yeah. Right... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: How to defeat spyware
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 04:46:02PM -0800, Tim May wrote: > Setting a trap gun to blow away anyone who inserts a floppy (or hooks up > a cable) to a machine he has not been given access to is morally > permissable. Except when the local firefighters show up when your house is on fire, you're away, and the gun is rigged... > As the Mafia case shows, Big Brother and his courts no longer even think > a warrant is needed. Actually, the warrant in the Scarfo case was signed by a federal magistrate judge. That doesn't mean it's constitutional, but the judge had exactly this in mind. See: http://lawlibrary.rutgers.edu/fed/html/scarfo2.html-1.html > Because the encrypted file could not be accessed via traditional investigative means, Judge Haneke's Order permitted law enforcement officers to "install and leave behind software, firmware, and/or hardware equipment which will monitor the inputted data entered on Nicodemo S. Scarfo's computer in the TARGET LOCATION so that the F.B.I. can capture the password necessary to decrypt computer files by recording the key related information as they are entered." -Declan
Re: End of the IRS??
I've never quite understood how the amendment-not-ratified-properly-in-1913 argument is supposed to play out. If this were 1915 and we suddenly realized that there was some funny business going on, that would be one thing. But much has changed in the last 90 or so years. Courts have allowed the federal government to seize power not granted by the Constitution (and, in some cases, strictly prohibited by it). Booze prohibition required a constitutional amendment; drug prohibition wouldn't. So even if someone were to prove that the 16th Am. wasn't quite kosher, what would stop the courts from saying -- it wasn't necessary? -Declan On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 06:41:24PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What: > Department of Justice U.S. Assistant Attorney Dan Bryant and Congressman Roscoe >Bartlett (MD) signed a written agreement on July 20, 2001, for a recorded public >hearing at which DOJ representatives will officially answer specific legal charges >challenging the jurisdiction of the IRS and the illegal enforcement of U.S. income >tax laws against U.S. citizens. IRS Commissioner Charles Rossotti has committed IRS >representatives to participate. > > When: > 2 full days, February 27th and 28th, 2002. Your early donation is greatly >appreciated. > > Where: > >From Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C., WebCast to any computer with Internet access, >at any connection speed, on PC or Mac computer. > > Participants: > We The People Delegates, Tax Researchers and Attorneys will interrogate legal and >tax experts from the DOJ and IRS. > > -- > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > July 20, 2001 > > CONTACT: Mike Bodine (518) 656-3578 > > DOJ and the U.S. Congress Officially Commit to Send IRS Tax and Legal > > Experts to Appear on Capitol Hill. Public Hearing to be Conducted > > by Rep. Roscoe Bartlett and Rep. Henry Hyde to Answer Citizens' Challenges > > of IRS Jurisdiction and Illegal Enforcement of U.S. Tax Law. > > < Washington D.C. -- We The People Foundation For Constitutional Education, > > Inc. announce that the Department of Justice and the U.S. Congress > > have committed, in writing, to appear with IRS representatives in a > > recorded, public meeting to officially answer to charges challenging the > > legal jurisdiction of the IRS and the enforcement of U.S. income tax > > laws against U.S. citizens. > > Department of Justice U.S. Assistant Attorney General Dan Bryant > > and Congressmen Roscoe Bartlett (MD) signed the written agreement > > Friday that commits the government to send their top tax and legal experts to > > a two-day September hearing to be conducted on Capitol Hill. These actions > > are in response to a proper petition for redress of grievances brought by > > Robert Schulz, Chairman of the Foundation. Schulz ended his 3-week hunger > > fast mid-afternoon today after having secured official commitment from > > representatives of the U.S. Government that his formal petition > > will be answered. > > Schulz has been in Washington since July 4th on a hunger fast > > until death, if needed, to force the government to respond to his legal > > Remonstrance, a petition for redress of grievances. These grievances include > > challenges of IRS jurisdiction, routine and gross violations of due process by > > the IRS, the refusal of the IRS to cite the specific law that requires > > employers or employees to withhold taxes and the fraudulent ratification of the > > 16th (Income Tax) Amendment. > > DOJ's Bryant is quoted, "The American people are entitled to > > answers. It is in our nation's interest that we participate and answer these > > questions." > > While largely ignored by the media and other government > > officials, Rep. > > Bartlett has stood alone on the Hill (until recently) in public > > defense of Schulz's absolute Constitutional Right to petition for redress and > > be answered by the government. On Tuesday, Bartlett initiated a > > formal Congressional Inquiry to the IRS demanding official government > > responses for Schulz. > > Today, DOJ's Dan Bryant agreed to Rep. Bartlett's requirements > > that the "congressional briefing-like hearings" be conducted in public and > > be recorded and broadcast live. The meetings will have appropriate > > procedural controls and security. It is expected Rep. Henry Hyde (IL), former > > Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee will gavel the sessions. > > Schulz was "elated that government officials have finally > > responded as they are required by both the 1st Amendment to the Constitution > > and their oaths of office." > > The agreement, penned on Congressional letterhead, was signed at > > the Department of Justice headquarters. Bryant assured both Rep. > > Bartlett and Schulz there is "virtually no chance of being overridden on this > > matter." Bartlett promised Schulz, "I assure you. The IRS will be there at > > those m
Re: How to defeat spyware
It seems pretty clear from the court documents that the Scarfo keyboard
logger only recorded keystrokes. We don't have details ("classified,"
"national security," "CIPA") but the exhibit introduced as evidence
shows backspaces, up-down arrows, and other functions you'd normally
associate with keyboard entry only.
-Declan
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 05:42:11PM -0800, Tim May wrote:
> A technical question for anyone: If I store passphrases (and keys, for
> extra security) on a flash-based USB drive dongle, and then use
> cut-and-paste to access them and paste them into PGP, is it possible for
> a keystroke logger to see them? In the Mac at least, pasting from a file
> or from the clipboard does not of course go through the keyboard. So a
> straightforward intercept of the keyboard driver at the BIOS level
> should not see the pasted material. I realize that "keystroke logger"
> can mean more than just logging the keyboard, however.
Re: Eudora filters for mattd
You may also want to choose "delete from server" as well. Though I use procmail for cypherpunks, not Eudora. Also, some From: lines weren't matching properly so I turned up the wildcards a bit and all was well. -Declan On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 04:04:21AM -0800, Andrew Woods wrote: > At 02:49 AM Monday 1/7/2002, you wrote: > >If anyone has figured out why Eudora can't filter mattd > >we would *love* to know. > > First, make sure your filter for mattd is listed before your filter for > cypherpunks. Also, because it seemed like mattd's from: header was somewhat > variant, i have it matching just "mattd". Then there's a "make status: > read", a "transfer to: trash", and a "skip rest". Good luck. > > -Andrew
Re: How to defeat spyware
On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 07:31 PM, Dr. Evil wrote: > ... > Yeah, that proposal (snipped above) would definitely defeat the plain > old BIOS keyloggers. How sophisticated is the FBI stuff? Let's make > some reasoned speculation. > > Most of their targets aren't going to be super-sophisticated hackers > who will do those kind of things. The FBI has a whole bunch of tools > which they use to achieve their goal (get the conviction, etc). > Generally, they don't need any one of those tools to be perfect. The > plain old keystroke logger would work in most cases, probably. > However, that is not the end of the story... All security is economics. Move-countermove, defense-offense, etc. That basic keystroker loggers is "good enough" to get "most" of what they want is not surprising. Pareto tradeoffs apply. Higher security costs. Comments to follow. > >> Selecting letters with a mouse on the screen also bypasses the >> keyboard. > > Ouch! That might work for occasional short messages, but for daily > use? I mostly meant for PGP passphrases, to decrypt a series of incoming messages. Though if they can keystroke log, all messages written by the target are vulnerable. No, I wouldn't suggest composing long messages one letter at a time. (Though the most sensitive of all messages are likely to be brief, a la the cononical "Attack at dawn.") A sufficiently worried person could use a scanner, either typing a message on a typewriter and then OCRing it, presumably beyond the ability of keystroke loggers to see, or just doing an image scan of a handwritten note and then PGPing that. At this level of worry, there are probably easier technological solutions, such as: using a Palm or other handheld for critical typing, using a second machine kept locked up (*), putting a laptop in a bag and then sealing it with sealing wax (hard for black baggers to duplicate on the spot), the dongle idea, removable disk drives, etc. All security is economics. When the U.S. Navy uses secure communications to communicate with a ship, they don't just have a guy sit down at a laptop and fire up PGP. They have nested security layers, including controls on access to the "crypto shack," layers of keyed access to crypto materials, and air gaps between machines and other parts of the system. All of this takes time to set up, training for the personnel (my condolences to them, as this is often drone work), and lots of bureaucracy. Almost everyone here is smart enough to realize that a lot of the jive about RSA taking all the computer power in the universe to crack (and then some, for large enough numbers) means nothing if key material has been compromised, if Van Eck radiation is being used to monitor equipment, and so on. The graph I always like to use is with "value of thing being protected" on the X-axis and "costs to use protection" on the Y-axis. Something that could land one in prison for 10 years, or worse, clearly jusitfies using very good crypto hygiene, that is, spending a fair amount of time and effort to ensure good security. Getting all traffic in PGP form, including mattd's and Choate's forwarded articles, clearly cannot justify the same level of care. The "one size fits all" approach of a "1024-bit key" is misleading. (I'm not saying that the important thing is to vary key lengths. In fact, may as well just standardize on 2048-bit keys or even larger. What I _am_ saying is that the whole PGP approach encourages people to think in terms of just using PGP...instead of using a layered approach. Seen this way, RSA/PGP is just one particular component of a larger system. Of course, selling this to the world is tough, as people want immediate gratification and ease-of-use. This is where "rolling your own" makes some sense, as the underlying mathematics is solid, but the crypto hygiene of using dongles, locking up laptops in safes, etc. is enough to stop many of the "sneak and peek" attacks. > Bottom line: I don't have any knowledge of what the FBI actually does, > but there are off-the-shelf commercial things out there which defeat > what you described, so it's safe to assume that the FBI has something > like that if they feel they need it. Meta-bottom line has always been: if the adversary can get access to your hardware, all bets are off. Morris showed this many years ago with compilers. Hence the approach of using PDAs or removable disk drives (flash, iPod, Dallas Semiconductor buttons) which make it much tougher for the FBI to compromise. > Bottom line 2: You need to have a tamper resistant system if you are > faced with an attack from the FBI hacker team. Fortunately, in this > case tamper resistance is pretty easy. Get yourself a webcam. I > don't think many Mafiosos are sophisticated enough for this, or they > probably would have found some other line of work. We've talked a bit about deploying Webcams (with offsite or well-locked storage) for logging entries, etc
Re: How to defeat spyware
On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 04:11 PM, Steve Schear wrote: > How to defeat spyware > There's no way of knowing how many people are using them, but it must > be a bunch. Companies use them, the government uses them, and > suspicious spouses use them. I'm talking about keystroke loggers--both > software and hardware. > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2836055,00.html > Setting a trap gun to blow away anyone who inserts a floppy (or hooks up a cable) to a machine he has not been given access to is morally permissable. As the Mafia case shows, Big Brother and his courts no longer even think a warrant is needed. What a country. --Tim May "They played all kinds of games, kept the House in session all night, and it was a very complicated bill. Maybe a handful of staffers actually read it, but the bill definitely was not available to members before the vote." --Rep. Ron Paul, TX, on how few Congresscritters saw the USA-PATRIOT Bill before voting overwhelmingly to impose a police state
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Shoe bomb (fwd)
-- Eugen* Leitl http://leitl.org";>leitl __ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:32:31 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Shoe bomb At 1:02 am -0800 12/26/01, Talley, Brooks wrote: >This guy, for example, tried to light plastic explosives with a fuse >(10% success rate at most), using a smelly match rather than a lighter, >and did so while sitting in his seat rather than in a lavatory. Was he >asking to be caught, or just incredibly stupid? He was seated close to the fuel tank. The explosive is essentially just a primer for the fuel. The following article is pretty unsettling, in that it makes the case that - the technique is carefully thought out, and - there will be more of these attacks, and - there aren't good ways to stop them. -Olin --- http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/01/06/MN222117.DTL Shoe-bomb flight -- a trial run? U.S., British officials fear similar attacks in the works Simon Reeve, Special to The Chronicle Sunday, January 6, 2002 London -- As investigators gather evidence about possible links between alleged airline shoe-bomber Richard Reid and the al Qaeda terrorist organization, intelligence officials on both sides of the Atlantic are floating a disturbing theory: that Reid's bombing attempt may have been a "trial run" for future, simultaneous attacks against passenger jets to be carried out by supporters of Osama bin Laden. U.S. and British intelligence officials believe that the British citizen on American Airlines Flight 63 from Paris to Miami on Dec. 22 was a "foot soldier" sent to check the destructive power of shoe bombs against civilian targets. One senior British intelligence official said there are indications that "more than a few, but less than a dozen" individuals may be preparing similar attacks in the near future. These officials cite similarities with a weapon developed by Ramzi Yousef, mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, who plotted a series of simultaneous attacks on U.S. airliners in the mid-1990s. "There is a definite pattern here with Yousef's past attacks that we would be foolish to ignore," said one highly placed intelligence official. "They have tried this before, and they are trying it again." During the flight, Reid allegedly tried to detonate explosives hidden in his shoes with a lighted match. Crew and passengers averted a disaster by jumping on the 28-year-old London-born suspect. "MOTHER OF SATAN" BOMBS Preliminary studies by the FBI indicate Reid's black suede basketball shoes contained between 8 and 10 ounces of the explosive triacetone triperoxide, or TATP -- called "The Mother of Satan" by Palestinian militants, because its inherent instability makes it dangerous to both the victims and bomb maker. The TATP in Reid's shoes was "blended" with an explosive called PETN, or pentaerythritol tetranitrate, which can be ignited with a normal cigarette lighter. PETN is a key ingredient of Semtex, the Czech-made military explosive used to down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988. "These bombs are sophisticated devices," said the British intelligence official. "They would have been difficult and dangerous to produce. Reid could not have done this himself -- he would have trouble tying his own shoelaces. It seems we may have an expert bomb maker on the loose in Europe." LINKS TO 20TH HIJACKER Among the links being pursued by investigators are telephone conversations, known to British intelligence, between Reid and Zacarias Moussaoui, the so- called "20th hijacker" who was indicted on conspiracy charges in connection with the Sept. 11 attacks, and reports that the two worshiped at the same mosque in London. Moussaoui's attorney entered a plea of not guilty for his client in Virginia last week. Investigators are also probing the origins of the money used by Reid, who has no visible means of support, as he traveled to seven different countries last year. Among the cities Reid visited was Amsterdam. The Binnenlandse Veiligheids Dienst (BVD), the Dutch security service, is trying to reconstruct Reid's movements and to establish whether an al Qaeda cell there may be plotting attacks on passenger jets. Reid has told FBI agents that he contacted Dutch arms dealers via the Internet and paid $1,800 for the explosives. But intelligence sources speculate that Reid obtained them from an al Qaeda explosives expert in Amsterdam, who adapted the shoes in preparation for Reid's attack. FBI agents and British anti-terrorist officials, meanwhile, have concluded that the shoe-bomb plot originated with the ideas of Yousef, an early al Qaeda operative who suggested flying passenger jets into buildings.
Re: Spooky noises and things that go bump in the night
On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 12:39 AM, Petro wrote: > On Sunday, January 6, 2002, at 06:37 PM, Bill Stewart wrote: > >> Nor do I. If the neighbor's kid wants to steal my >> overweight television or 233-MHz PC, it's not worth killing him for, Bill is of course welcome to invite the neighbor's kids to steal his stuff. My mileage varies. I think it is a moral necessity to kill anyone trying to steal anything (beyond the utterly trivial or confusable, e.g., one should not kill someone picking up a toy left out in the yard...might be a mistake, he might be trying to return it, etc.). Someone stealing a television or PC has certainly earned killing. This is what strong crypto will make more possible: the deliverance of strong vengeance, untraceably. (Hint: This preceeded Jimbell by many years.) Fact is, many people have already earned killing. The only reason we cannot dispose of them is that liberal shits interfere with vengeance. > > There are only 3 things in my home worth killing to protect: > (1) My wife. > (2) My self. > (3) My guns. Again, my mileage varies. And since I decide what is important to me, it's "my house, my rules." > I don't mind that a lot of people are liberal pansies who believe thieves are not worthy of killing. However, if they help to pass laws restricting my own choices, then they have earned killing themselves. Certainly nearly every member, with but a handful of exceptions, of Congress has earned the death penalty many times over. --Tim May "How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive?" --Alexander Solzhenitzyn, Gulag Archipelago
How to defeat spyware
How to defeat spyware There's no way of knowing how many people are using them, but it must be a bunch. Companies use them, the government uses them, and suspicious spouses use them. I'm talking about keystroke loggers--both software and hardware. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2836055,00.html
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At 09:41 PM 1/7/2002 +0100, Eugene Leitl wrote: >-- Eugen* Leitl http://leitl.org";>leitl >__ >ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org >57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 > >-- Forwarded message -- >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:15:48 -0800 >From: Hack Hawk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Kent Borg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Eugene Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc: Hadmut Danisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Hackers Targeting Home Computers > >Although I originally used the word filter to describe a possible ISP >action to address certain problems, the following statement from KB was >more what I meant to suggest. And also Lynn Wheeler's statement about >Dynamic IP addresses not being allowed to host HTTP services because it's >not in the consumer/client agreement anyway. Of course these agreements are very much fluid. Can't host a web site (at least using std port nos.) but P2P's OK because its a driver of consumer interest in broadband. steve
Re: Hackers Targeting Home Computers (fwd)
-- Eugen* Leitl http://leitl.org";>leitl __ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:15:48 -0800 From: Hack Hawk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Kent Borg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Eugene Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Hadmut Danisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hackers Targeting Home Computers Although I originally used the word filter to describe a possible ISP action to address certain problems, the following statement from KB was more what I meant to suggest. And also Lynn Wheeler's statement about Dynamic IP addresses not being allowed to host HTTP services because it's not in the consumer/client agreement anyway. At 09:02 AM 1/7/02 -0500, KB wrote: >Once word gets out that letting your computer be breached can get your >internet account suspended, people might start applying patches, Linux >might start making some inroads, and Micro$oft might quit shipping so >many new bugs every week. Now, since the suggestion/idea prompted several responses, I'd like to offer one other opinion to see what some of you think about it. I know that it's possibly been discussed here before, but hopefully I won't get flamed too bad. :) Sorry, I'm kind of new to this particular list. When I performed my experiment a few months back, I had the idea to create a Code Green worm (like somebody actually did) that would go out and forcefully patch those vulnerable systems. I even went as far as developing a small tftp daemon that could serve up the CG virus to other infected systems for a short period of time. In light of all the discussion I've previously read on such matters, I decided against implementing the CG counter Virus. However, I'm starting to think that such counter viruses aren't such a bad idea, and here's the primary reason *why* I believe that. Currently, our government (people like Ashcroft) are slowly taking away our freedoms in an effort to gain control over the problem. Personally, I have a real hard time with this. I don't like Ashcroft and others like him having the ability to come into my home and phone lines and monitor everything I do. If they just happen to label me as a potential terrorist, then I'm basically f*#$ed and loose all my rights. I fully appreciate the dangers of our world, and why somebody like Ashcroft may want to sacrifice our liberties to gain control of worldly problems. However, there is *another* way. We can either sit back, and let people like Ashcroft take control of the cyber situation, or we can step up to the plate, and take control of the problem ourselves. My non-technical mailing list was my first non-intrusive step up to the plate. Perhaps in the future, stepping up should be a little more intrusive. If the freedoms I value so much are at stake, then maybe the rewards outweigh the risk of damaging someone's ego by patching their systems for them. IMHO. - hawk - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cpunks Lauded
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : > >On 5 Jan 2002, at 7:58, John Young wrote: > >> This crypto demonization may well intensify as investigations >> proceed into the government, military and intelligence failure to >> prevent 911. Whether crypto actually played any role in the >> attack may be seen as unimportant so long as a convincing >> story can be promoted that it must have been. >> >I don't think anyone claims that it "must have been". Rather, >the idea that it might have been, or might be useful for future >terrorists, is sufficient to demonize it. Similarly, the 9/11 >terrorists didn't use guns, but everyone knows terrorists use guns, >The idea of cryptography as munitions isn't just metaphor or, >if it is, it's a really really good metaphor. > >[chop] > >George > I think "might have been" and "might be" are close enough for government work. Have we reached the point where a local fibbie can state "uses encryption" as probable cause or whatever deficient standard they use these days before inserting a tap? Mike
Re: CDR: Seveso near St Louis.Professor Rat "concerned."
Not to put too fine a point on it, but why are you posting 10 year old reports. As interesting as this is, follow up reports and studies would be far more useful. Ken On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 04:11:51AM +1100, mattd wrote: > YOUNG MALE RATS ARE 'DEMASCULINIZED' > AND 'FEMINIZED' BY LOW DOSES OF DIOXIN > Three new studies by researchers at University of Wisconsin > reveal that very low doses of dioxin alter the sexual development > of young male rats, causing demasculinization and > feminization. [1,2,3] > Dr. Linda S. Birnbaum, a scientist with U.S. EPA [Environmental > Protection Agency] calls the new studies "highly significant."[4] > Birnbaum is one of the chief scientists conducting the EPA's > formal reassessment of the toxicity of dioxin (see RHWN #269, > #270, #275). As we reported earlier (RHWN #279), many scientists, > including Birnbaum, now consider dioxin an "environmental > hormone." The new Wisconsin studies support that view. > The Wisconsin researchers, led by Dr. Richard E. Peterson, showed > that dioxin interferes with the sexual development of male rats > exposed to dioxin before, and shortly after, birth. Pregnant > female rats were given a single oral dose of dioxin on the 15th > day of pregnancy; their male offspring showed reduced levels of > male hormones in their blood and a variety of sexual aberrations > that stayed with them as they matured. The young males are > demasculinized and feminized by doses of dioxin too low to cause > any measurable toxicity in the mother rat. The sexual changes in > the young males are both physiological and behavioral, and last > into adulthood. > Dioxin passes through the placenta and enters the fetus, so the > rat fetuses received part of the mother's dose almost > immediately. After birth, the baby rats continued to receive a > small dose of dioxin through their mother's milk. Peterson says > the baby rats received the bulk of their dose through milk. In > rats and humans both, females rid their bodies of dioxin chiefly > by excreting it in their milk. Dioxin is soluble in fats and > oils, and milk is high in fat. > Dioxin is the common name for a family of 75 toxins, the most > potent of which is TCDD [2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-P-dioxin]. > The Wisconsin researchers used TCDD in their experiments. > More on this shocking story inc.Terror in times beach at > http://www.ejnet.org/rachel/rhwn290.htm > part of http://www.ejnet.org/dioxin/index.html -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" -Ben Franklin (1755)
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John Young wrote: [...] > The short-lived patriotism after WTC/Pentagon has been > transformed into uncritical jingoism in the US and surprisingly > in the copycat UK. Why "surprisingly"? Every UK administration since 1945 has been America's poodle in foreign affairs and military matters. [...] > These targets are not celebrated, they are taken for > granted as if to last forever, well, as long as King George > lasted on the American continent George III's rule on the American continent lasted longer than George Washington's did. The present Queen is *still* the head of state of more of the American continent than the president of the USA is (http://www.communication.gc.ca/facts/geography_e.html) Ken Brown (I may be British but I'm not a bloody monarchist - though I don't mind the royals as much in places like Canada & Australia as I do here http://www.cix.co.uk/~kbrown/rotm/1999nov.htm)
Re: Snitches out themselves.Canarypunk stool pigeons,peter Trei a nd declanMc Crapface.
I took a holiday from many things over the traditional 12 days of Christmas, including cypherpunks and television. (Though my daughter reminds me that we did watch a couple of hour's TV on New Year's Eve, and for some reason she wanted me to watch a video of Forrest Gump on Saturday). I got back to the email universe to find 440 cypherpunks postings from mattd. Much as I love Ozzy anarchists I wasn't tempted to read them. Ken Declan McCullagh wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 10:19:52AM -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: > > > mattd[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > > Peter Trei's addy is [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Ill be researching this 'security company' Probably just an Idiot,like > > > declan, but could be dangerous. > > > > > Oh, this is rich! > > > > Someone claiming to be an informed poster to the > > cypherpunks list who doesn't know RSA Security > > Inc's status in the field. > > Actually, has mattd/proffr ever claimed to be an "informed poster?" :) > > At least, as I think you said yesterday, CJ had much more flair, > and a better understanding of things cypherpunkly. Ah well. Procmail > makes things much better.
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Re: Decent Orwell Article.
For those who haven't seen the page, the idea is that Blair chose the date 1984 as the 100th anniversary of the founding of the Fabian Society (British centre-left policy organisation dedicated to state socialism, that once included HG Wells, Edith Nesbit, and George Bernard Shaw). I think that anyone who can get worked up about the Fabian Society is on the verge of reds-under-the-beds paranoia. As Evil Conspiracies go it is just a little bit public and a little bit wet. The Iron Heel is set in 1984, but that, in turn, might derive from Chesterton's The Napoleon of Notting Hill, also set in 1984. It seems to have been the traditional year of the future... OTOH Orwell said 1984 was just 1948 reversed & why not? (Do we believe Clarke about HAL=IBM-1?) Ken Brown Michael Motyka wrote: > > An interesting read in which the author delves into some details of > Orwell's life and possible origins and targets of his satire. Includes > some neat stuff regarding the dates 1984 and 2000. Time to go read Iron > Heel by Jack London. > > http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/158445.html
Re: contextual anonymity
Faustine wrote: > After I thought about it, I got that sickening little feeling in the pit of my > stomach again. Jesus christ, I can't even have a visitor without setting off > some kind of alarm worth investigating. How much time had she spent watching the > front door to pick up on the fact that we never have guests? It was then that I > had the epiphany that if I were doing anything I actually needed anonymity > for--rather than merely living quietly and making a symbolic gesture--there's > not a doubt in my mind she'd have the cops, SWAT teams, and the five o' clock > news all over us like a cheap suit. A few weeks ago I, and my daughter, went to stay with my brother for a weekend. I left a radio on (not a self-conscious security measure, one of them is usually on about 24 hours a day) and (don't ask why) the telephone was off the hook. On the Saturday some friends phoned from a nearby pub to see if I wanted a drink. No answer. They got worried for some reason and phoned the phone company. They said that the phone was off the hook and they could hear shouting. (The radio...) My friends got worried and went round to my place. Couldn't get in. They called the police. I turned up the next evening to find my door kicked in and boarded up, and a note from the police. Well, at least I now have a nice new door paid for by Her Majesty's Government. And - seeing as my mates were there at the time - I now know that police in London who want to break into someone's house don't routinely go armed, and don't turn up in large numbers. Though they do use a special "enforcer" tool that is meant to break a hole in the door near the lock, but didn't in this case, and they ended up smashing the whole thing up. I once saw the fire brigade break in to the flat upstairs - their special tools didn't work either, but one well-aimed kick was enough to push the intact door and its frame out from the wall. Irritating to the occupant who had installed a metal strip around the door frame to prevent a break-in. Ken
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YOUNG MALE RATS ARE 'DEMASCULINIZED' AND 'FEMINIZED' BY LOW DOSES OF DIOXIN Three new studies by researchers at University of Wisconsin reveal that very low doses of dioxin alter the sexual development of young male rats, causing demasculinization and feminization. [1,2,3] Dr. Linda S. Birnbaum, a scientist with U.S. EPA [Environmental Protection Agency] calls the new studies "highly significant."[4] Birnbaum is one of the chief scientists conducting the EPA's formal reassessment of the toxicity of dioxin (see RHWN #269, #270, #275). As we reported earlier (RHWN #279), many scientists, including Birnbaum, now consider dioxin an "environmental hormone." The new Wisconsin studies support that view. The Wisconsin researchers, led by Dr. Richard E. Peterson, showed that dioxin interferes with the sexual development of male rats exposed to dioxin before, and shortly after, birth. Pregnant female rats were given a single oral dose of dioxin on the 15th day of pregnancy; their male offspring showed reduced levels of male hormones in their blood and a variety of sexual aberrations that stayed with them as they matured. The young males are demasculinized and feminized by doses of dioxin too low to cause any measurable toxicity in the mother rat. The sexual changes in the young males are both physiological and behavioral, and last into adulthood. Dioxin passes through the placenta and enters the fetus, so the rat fetuses received part of the mother's dose almost immediately. After birth, the baby rats continued to receive a small dose of dioxin through their mother's milk. Peterson says the baby rats received the bulk of their dose through milk. In rats and humans both, females rid their bodies of dioxin chiefly by excreting it in their milk. Dioxin is soluble in fats and oils, and milk is high in fat. Dioxin is the common name for a family of 75 toxins, the most potent of which is TCDD [2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-P-dioxin]. The Wisconsin researchers used TCDD in their experiments. More on this shocking story inc.Terror in times beach at http://www.ejnet.org/rachel/rhwn290.htm part of http://www.ejnet.org/dioxin/index.html
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Though as a matter of off-topic actual fact, no gold (maybe outside a few labs that are trying hard) is likely to be pure enough not to be traceable. As far as I know archaeologists & art historians (& I assume police) have been matching gold artefacts to their sources for some time now. Not as easy as copper (or oil - tax people like being able to trace oil to wells) but doable. Doesn't alter Tim's point that you can obscure the origins my mixing gold from different places of course. Not, I imagine, something that anyone actually ever does, but it would obviously work. Googling for "gold isotope provenance" got me 911 hits. Ken Brown Eric Cordian wrote: > > Tim wrote: > > > ...gold can be melted and all traces of origin lost, save for some > > expensive tinkering with isotopic ratios, maybe. > > Gold, last I looked, had a single stable isotope which accounted for 100% > of its natural abundance. 79-Au-197. > > One piece of pure stable gold is indistinguishable from another. > > So if your gold is pure and isn't radioactive, it hasn't been tagged by > isotopic ratio tweeks.
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Re: Detweiler, Vulis, Toto, John Young, and mattd
On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Tim May wrote: > I'm thinking there's some common miswiring in the brains of these folks. If you think cpunks are bad, try cryonicists. Ugh.
IP: Judge OKs FBI Keyboard Sniffing (fwd)
-- Eugen* Leitl http://leitl.org";>leitl __ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 13:46:30 -0500 From: David Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IP: Judge OKs FBI Keyboard Sniffing [ In keeping with protocol, I was an expert witness (pro-bono) for the defense and submitted several affidavits on the technical issues djf] > http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,49455,00.html > >Judge OKs FBI Keyboard Sniffing >By Declan McCullagh >2:00 a.m. Jan. 4, 2002 PST WASHINGTON -- The Justice >Department can legally use a controversial electronic surveillance >technique in its prosecution of an alleged mobster. > >In the first case of its kind, a federal judge in Newark, New Jersey has >ruled that evidence surreptitiously gathered by the FBI about Nicodemo S. >Scarfo's reputed loan shark operation can be presented in a trial later >this year. > >U.S. District Judge Nicholas Politan said last week that it was perfectly >acceptable for FBI agents armed with a court order to sneak into Scarfo's >office, plant a keystroke sniffer in his PC and monitor its output. > >Scarfo had been using Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) encryption software to >encode confidential business data -- and frustrate the government's >attempts to monitor him. > > [snip] > >The court order from the federal magistrate judge stated that the FBI >could "install and leave behind software, firmware, and/or hardware >equipment, which will monitor the inputted data entered on Nicodemo S. >Scarfo's computer in the target location so that the FBI can capture the >password necessary to decrypt computer files by recording the key related >information as they are entered." > >Defense attorneys had said that the PGP pass-phrase snatching was akin to >a telephone wiretap and pointed out that the FBI never obtained a wiretap >order. Scarfo's lawyers also claimed the FBI was conducting a general >search of the sort loathed by the colonists at the time of the American >Revolution and thereafter outlawed by the Fourth Amendment's prohibition >of "unreasonable" searches. For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
Re: Orange crush
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, cubic-dog wrote: > Dunno, maybe you're right, I couldn't get it to happen in the lab > with phenols when I was a chem student without actually burning it. I I wouldn't cook polyhalogenated phenol dry or in high-boiling point solvents in presence of copper powder, and alcali. http://www.ping.be/~ping5859/Eng/ChlorineDiChem.html
Re: Orange crush
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Anonymous wrote: > Total bullshit there crock dog. TCDD is also a breakdown product > of both poly-chlorinated phenols like 2,4,D and 2,4,5-T and poly-chlorinated > bi-phenols (PCBs). It really doesn't matter what level tcdd (dioxin) is at > time of manufacture, even boiling coffee watere with 245T in it can give > you a load of dioxin. Dunno, maybe you're right, I couldn't get it to happen in the lab with phenols when I was a chem student without actually burning it. I tried. (wasn't supposed to but I was curious). Biphenols, yes. Or something close enough to TCDD that I didn't care. Actually burning 245T, and 24D for that matter will indeed produce TCDD. As to whether or not overcooking these phenols produces it, well, I wouldn't doubt it. But overcooking would still be a faulty process. BTW, burning just about ANYTHING with chlorine in it will produce dioxin. I don't know there brother nobody, I just keep reading over and over again, folks using 245T, 24D and TCDD practically interchangably. They are not the same chemicals, not at all. I read things like "245T, a form of dioxin" and "Agent Orange, a strong dioxin". You say TCDD is a breakdown product of 245T, others say it is a manufacturing byproduct, others say it is the same thing. >The agit/prop that we *need* herbicides to produce enough food is > patently absurd. They didn't even exiest 50 years ago, and most farmers > in the world still don't use them. Well, most farmers in the world still don't have nearly the output that the "chemically dependant brainwashed, braindead amerikan farmer" does, except perhaps those other hi output ag industries from Germany, the netherlands and such. All of which are of course, heavily chem dependent. Herbicides have existed a hell of a lot longer than 50 years, even so-called modern chlorinated herbicides have been around since the late 1800s. >Only the chemically dependant > brainwashed, braindead amerikan farmer does, which is why he's quickly > becoming extinct. The reasons the "chemically dependant brainwashed, braindead amerikan farmer" is becomming exinct has a lot more to do with international corporate farming and economics of multinational monopolies like Archer Daniels Midland, the darling of the NPR crowd, than it does the use of herbicides, pesticides and fertilzers. Perhaps you are right on all cases, that agent orange and all phenoxyl herbicides are the devils spawn and the true root of all evil. My imagination balks at it, perhaps because I don't share your clarity of vision. However, I do know some of the chemists at Dow Midland who were directly involved in Dows work with 245T, and to follow your line of thinking is to say that these folks are the fine agents of the great satan himself, heirs to those nice folks who stirred the pot so vigorously in europe back in the 40s. My imagination balks at it, perhaps because these folks simply are not like that, and I have read a lot of the papers, I have done some of the chemistry and have learned in an empirical way that these questions are all a great deal more complicated than these flat statements like "Agent Orange is the blame for all the ''bad things''" suggest. This is all real touchy stuff, I have been around pretty much half a century and have been litterally up to my neck in this stuff. (Yes, this *STUFF*). I don't take it lightly, and I don't buy into any corporate line, as a corporation is almost by definition incapable of telling any truth when there is any bad news. But little snippits that say ag/chem is evil, and we are good because we say it is evil are pretty much a waste of everyones time.
Re: Eudora filters for mattd
At 02:49 AM Monday 1/7/2002, you wrote: >If anyone has figured out why Eudora can't filter mattd >we would *love* to know. First, make sure your filter for mattd is listed before your filter for cypherpunks. Also, because it seemed like mattd's from: header was somewhat variant, i have it matching just "mattd". Then there's a "make status: read", a "transfer to: trash", and a "skip rest". Good luck. -Andrew
CP Movies,"Behold the pale horse."
Francisco Sabate Llopart (known as El Quico) -- Guerilla Extraordinaire -- (1915-1960). Born 30 March 1915 in Barcelona; died 5 January 1960. Francisco Sabate joined the CNT in 1931. In 1932, following the events of Fijols, he started the action group "Los Novatos" which aligned with the FAI. In 1935, they carried out their first expropriation to provide funds for a prison relief group. On July 18 & 19, 1936, the fascist uprising in Barcelona was defeated, signalling the beginning of a libertarian revolution. On August 27, 1936, Sabati & his brother Josi joined a CNT-FAI column which fought on the Aragon front. With the defeat of the Republican forces, Sabate was interned in France at the camps in Vernet. Once free, Sabate continued fighting in Spain clandestinely, & on August 20, 1945, succeeded in freeing two comrades. His group then began striking against the Franco regime & its supporters, as well as robbing companies & banks to finance the underground movement. On March 2, 1949, they killed two heads of the phalange. While many of his comrades were arrested or killed over the years Sabati succeeded in slipping through the various police dragnets. But on January 5, 1960, after having slipped across the border with four companions, they were encircled by army & the civil garde, & were shot down. Still, Sabati managed to escape, before succumbing a few hours later to bullet wounds. Sabate figures in at least two movies: Behold The Pale Horse, with Gregory Peck as a character very closely based on Sabate, the Spanish anarchist guerilla. More on the guerilla's guerilla at http://www.eskimo.com/~recall/bleed/sinners/FranciscoSabate.htm
First we take Manhatten.
The protests against the World Economic Forum will occur from January 30th through February 5th, 2002 in New York City. Also, join others in resisting the winter Olympics in Utah February 8th-24th (http://www.burntheolympics.org/). Picking Up Where We Left Off The North American Anti-Capitalist Struggle Must Advance It is now 2002 and it has been many months since the last large anti-capitalist protest in North America. Our situation was looking incredible for the late September protests against the World Bank and International Monetary Fund. We had the many televised press conferences on C-SPAN, and we were coming back to D.C. learning from our past mistakes and successes. The mainstream media was already beginning to pre-hype the protests (or the potential for "violence" more specifically). As it got closer they had already decided to shorten the meeting time. I was helping organize people in the area interested in going (as were others all across the United States), and it looked like we were going to have the greatest number of people from this area to attend a major protest yet. I was gathering my gear, marking my maps, making my phonecalls and sending emails. It was going to be unbelievable. (It was in au as well,pre chogm,pr) Then one day we woke up or were at work or whatever, and our TV screens were filled with images of collapsing buildings, thousands died, thousands of others were running in terror, no one had a clue as to what the hell just happened. For the time it changed everything. As much as we wanted it not to, it severely affected the protests. It changed the focus of the protest (anti-war, anti-racist), the turnout, the tactical choices, the energy, and the attention we received. On the upside (or not), it also caused the IMF and World Bank to cancel that meeting. It has been nearly 4 months now since that day and the "war" has become increasingly futile. That "war," of course, is what has almost killed (no pun intended) the momentum of the anti-capitalist protests and overall resistance in the United States, not to mention thousands of innocent people. That movement or collection of movements has almost been hijacked by the liberal and (state) socialist left due to their stronghold over the anti-war movements. Anti-war protesters are more likely following the calls to action made by socialist parties or affiliated groups, or liberal groups, than calls (or lack thereof) made by anti-authoritarian collectives/groups. The authoritarian left has long sought to gain control over the anti-(corporate)-globalization movement and are in a position of greater power to do so when they use their power from the anti-war movement. This is why it is crucial that we make a presence in New York City (and subsequent gatherings) and show the so-called leaders (politicians and activists) that we have not been swept under the rug or converted to single-issue reformist struggles. We must show the state that we are not going to run and hide when it starts to hint at openly engaging in "war" against us. We must not forget why we are fighting. We must not forget the death of Carlo Guiliano (remember him? Genoa?) or hundreds and thousands of others who have needlessly lost their lives resisting conditions decided upon by the IMF, World Bank, WTO, NAFTA, and the leaders of the Northern industrial nations. We cannot let the state nor the authoritarian left (liberal and socialist) decide the fate of our struggle or how we choose to resist. And do not mistake this as another call for a "black bloc," but rather it is a call for anti-authoritarian resistance in all possible manifestations. ___ infoshop-news mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.infoshop.org/mailman/listinfo/infosho
Re: Detweiler, Vulis, Toto, John Young, and mattd
>Any more of this kind of shit writing belabors the obvious
>point that serious writing, along with serious thinking, is
>ridiculous, a conceit of mind and tongue unable to bear
>frightful freedom, afraid of its own yearning for disorderly
>structure as though there is something wrong with singing
>your heart out, and laughing at your tone deafness.
This can be shifted to the information theory terrain.
It's not _just_ about using the straight and prescribed language and
constructs. It is about predictability in general. Most posters that I filter
out are predictable to the point where I can, with decent accuracy, guess what
they will say on any given subject. They can be described (scripted) as finite
automata. And they have enormous integrity that they are proud of.
Bricks also have integrity, but I always failed to find them entertaining -
except maybe when they disintegrate on high impact. Then you get to see many
irregular and unpredictable pieces.
Some aspiring student of AI may find it an interesting exercise to customize
alicebot to emulate some of the most integral cpunk posters (think timbots,
mattbots, etc.) Frankly, I think that it's already been done. Sometimes I think
that there are already alicebot implants.
So it's all about entropy. Low entropy dwellers perceive high entropy ("high on
entropy" ?) runners as danger that needs cooling. Or should I say kooling ?
Why is that stupid ?
Because we will all end up as cold iron, and it doesn't matter who gets there
first. The last one wins.
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A - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C E (longish post)
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We are a nation founded
by fugitives. The secret history of America is one
of wild flight in search of sanctuary. Our ancestors were running away. The
real explorers of the Great Frontier didn't march west, they slipped away
into the forests and swamps, leaving behind the King's Law and busted
chains. Runaway slaves, fugitive indentured servants, retreating natives,
they disappeared into the mists beyond the edge of "civilized" culture to
make their own way and avoid the whip. These fugitive colonies existed from
the beginning of European settlement. In the 17th century, the first
settlers described the "tawny halfbreeds" they encountered, who strangely
preferred the freedom of the wilderness to the safety and comfort of
Jamestown. Over 200 tri-racial isolate communities exist, or have
existed, in the
USA. These communities are not recent manifestations. They were here from
the start. The people called Melungeons, (of eastern Tennessee, North
Carolina, West Virginia and Kentucky,) were encountered by European
explorers of the Appalachians in 1654. They were described as dark-skinned,
but with European features. They lived in log cabins and practiced
Christianity and even spoke English, being able to communicate to the
explorers that they were "Portyghee". The origins of the Melungeon people
has become controversial, at least among Melungeons. The anthropologically
accepted theory is that early Spanish settlers, explorers or castaways
inter-married with Native Americans. Yet the French explorers mentioned
above noted that the Melungeons they encountered spoke English (but called
themselves Portuguese). This could indicate the amazing diversity of the
fugitive communities, or maybe the necessity of trading with the English
settlements on the coast. In the post-civil war period anybody in the
Melungeon area who was dark-skinned yet not obviously African American was
called a Melungeon, including dark-skinned Mediterranean people and south
Asians. Genetic researchers using the Mean Measure of Divergence (MMD) have
concluded that Melungeons are most closely related to Libyans (0.017) and
most distantly related to the Seminoles of Florida (0.308).1 The closest
match with a European people (0.022) is Italian, followed by Portuguese
(0.024). It's known that Francis Drake stopped at Roanoke for some months on
his way back from raiding Spanish colonies in the Caribbean. He had several
hundred Muslim seamen with him who had been freed from the Spanish and were
being returned to Morocco and the Ottoman Empire. These would include
Berbers and Arabs from Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, as well as Greeks,
Armenians, Albanians, Bosnians and Turks from Anatolia and the Balkans. They
stayed several months in Virginia, and it's more than possible that they
would have left progeny among the local Native American population. Some of
them may have stayed and actually joined the Indians. The Delaware Moors
are a mixed race people living in Kent and Sussex
Counties, Delaware and southern New Jersey. How they came to be there is
open to conjecture. Community legend tends toward three possibilities. In
the first, an 18th century Spanish pirate ship with a Moorish crew is
wrecked on the Delaware coast. The survivors are taken in by the local
Nanticoke Indians and eventually marry Indian women. In the second, when the
English abandon Tangier in the late 17th century, the English garrison is
given land in the Americas (Delaware). When they come they bring their
Moorish wives with them. (There is an island in Chesapeake Bay called
Tangier Island, and no one seems to know how it was named.) The third legend
is of the truly romantic variety. This involves a beautiful woman and a
dark-skinned slave. The woman was wealthy and either Spanish or Irish. She
purchased a male slave who turned out to be a Moorish prince. They fell in
love and had mixed-race children. Being ostracized by the white community,
they moved inland and joined the Indians. Another version of this has the
wealthy woman purchasing a number of Moorish slaves who ran away and joined
the Indians. Piracy was well-known along the Delaware coast from the 17th
to mid-18th
century, with several recorded instances of Spanish and French pirates
way-laying ships in Delaware Bay. The English did occupy Tangier briefly,
and then abandoned the city in 1684. The early colonial period had many
instances where women and men of mixed race were forced to make their own
way in the wild, and the fact of slaves running away and joining the Indians
is also well recorded. Whichever, if any, of the legends is true, the fact
remains that the Delaware Moors are most likely a mixture of the Native
American tribes that occupied the Delmarva region (Nanticokes and Lenni
Lenape), European whites and Africans. The Moors perhaps best illustrate the
singular st
