Re: Degrees of Freedom vs. Hollywood Control Freaks

[Greg Newby]

On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 07:25:37PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Jim Choate wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Trei, Peter wrote:
> > 
> > > Well, I'm convinced - I guess that's why every single album today is
> > > released on both CD *and* vinyl - can't piss off the tens of millions of 
> > > turntable owners, after all. 
> > 
> > That's not correct. There are lots of albums (aimed at DJ's for example)
> > that are -NEVER- available except on vinyl. 
> 
> Ok, somebody correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't they officially cease
> production of vinyl pressings several years ago?  As in *all* vinyl
> pressings???

Stop by your local independent record store, you'll find 
plenty of new vinyl.  It's especially popular with punk &
urban music, also small independent bands.

Maybe the big labels aren't putting it out any more...
by all appearances, the independent labels are.
  -- Greg

Re: CDR: RE: Degrees of Freedom vs. Hollywood Control Freaks

[Joseph Ashwood]

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> Ok, somebody correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't they officially
cease
> production of vinyl pressings several years ago?  As in *all* vinyl
> pressings???

They stopped selling them to the general public, but you only have to stop
by a DJ record shop (as opposed to the consumer shops) to see a wide
selection of vinyl albums. DJs prefer vinyl primarily because it allows beat
matching by hand, scratching, etc. The only disadvantage I know of for vinyl
is that it degrades as it is played, for a DJ this isn't much of a problem
since tracks have a lifespan that's measured in days or weeks the vinyl
becomes useless after a few weeks, which is how long it lasts at good
quality.
Joe

Re: CDR: RE: Degrees of Freedom vs. Hollywood Control Freaks

[measl]

On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Jim Choate wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Trei, Peter wrote:
> 
> > Well, I'm convinced - I guess that's why every single album today is
> > released on both CD *and* vinyl - can't piss off the tens of millions of 
> > turntable owners, after all. 
> 
> That's not correct. There are lots of albums (aimed at DJ's for example)
> that are -NEVER- available except on vinyl. 

Ok, somebody correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't they officially cease
production of vinyl pressings several years ago?  As in *all* vinyl
pressings???

-- 
Yours, 
J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in
the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and 
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Re: Laurie's blinding w/cut and choose?

[Anonymous]

Jason Holt writes:
>   In his paper on Lucre ("2nd defence" against marking):
> http://anoncvs.aldigital.co.uk/lucre/
>
>   Ben Laurie gives this as a (possibly patent-free) blinding technique,
> where h is the message, and g is the public generator:
>
> r = blind(h) = h^y * g^b (mod p)
>
>   To "sign",
>
> s = sign(r) = m^h
>
>   To unblind,
>
> (s/g^k^b)^(1/y) (mod p)
>
>   (where k is the signer's secret exponent. Of course, nobody but the
> signer can verify the signature).  Unfortunately, this doesn't work with cut
> and choose where the signer signs the product of unrevealed documents, since 
> the 1/y exponent above would distribute to all the internal terms:

Boy, you've got a lot of faith asking this question on cypherpunks.
It's not exactly the intellectual center of the crypto freedom movement
these days, you know.  The average IQ is rapidly descending into double
digits, even not counting Choate.  But let's see what we can do for you.

First, let's fix your notation.

r = blind(h) = h^y * g^b  OK
s = sign(r) = r^k, not m^h.
unblind(s) = (s/g^k^b)^(1/y) = h^k = sign(h).

That's what you want to end up with, h^k, as the pseudo-signature on h.

Now for a credential system, you apparently want to create a bunch
of values which have some structure, and get a signature on a product
of them.  Using cut and choose, the client will prepare blinded forms
of all of the values, then the server will ask for half of the blinding
factors to be revealed.  This exposes the raw values to be signed and
the server can make sure they are in the right form.  If so, it then
signs the product of the remaining values, which the client unblinds
to get back a good signature on the product of the unblinded values.
Done properly, with n values this gives you 2^n security against bogus
data in the credenial.

The fundamental problem with this is that the blinding factors have to
be different for each of the values.  If they are all the same, then
when they are revealed for some of the values during cut and choose,
that will reveal them for all of them, and so none of them will be
effectively blinded any more.

But if the blinding factors are all different, we can't unblind since
we don't have a unique power 1/y to raise to.

That's your problem, right?

Here are a couple of possible solutions.  First, you could do a cut and
choose in which all but one of the blinded values are revealed, and only
the remaining (unrevealed) one is signed.  This has the problem that it
has only a 1/n security factor with n values.  That is, the client can
just guess which one the server won't ask to check, and if it sent say 100
values, it has a 1/100 chance of getting lucky, which might seem too high.

However since credential issuing usually occurs in a non-anonymous
context, you can afford to penalize people very heavily if they are
caught in this manner.  (Cutting the connection and refusing to resume
with the previous values has to count as cheating.)

Another approach is as follows.  Go back to the 50-50 cut and choose
with signature on the product.  However, use the same y blinding factor
for all of the values.  Now when the client has to reveal during cut and
choose, it keeps the y value secret but reveals all of the h and b values.
It then proves in zero knowledge that there exists a y such that the h^y
equals the required value.  This is a standard ZK proof of knowledge
of a discrete logarithm.  It is similar to the example Ben's paper gives
of how the bank can prove it is raising to the right power.

Since you don't have to reveal y, you can use the same y for all of them
and successfully perform the unblind operation, getting back the signature
on the product of the h's as required.

But actually another solution is much simpler, which is to do blinding
as just h * g^b, without a y factor.  That works fine as long as the
bank is known not to be misbehaving.  Ben's paper shows how the bank
can use a ZK proof to show that it is raising to the same power k every
time, basically again that same ZK proof regarding discrete logarithms.
If the bank uses such a proof then you can use simpler blinding without
a y factor, and you can recover the signature on the product of your h
values by dividing by g^k^(sum of b's).

So there you go.  A little technical for cypherpunks, but unfortunately
coderpunks, like the little old lady, has fallen and it can't get up.

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Re: Laurie's blinding w/cut and choose?

[Nomen Nescio]

Jason Holt writes:
>   In his paper on Lucre ("2nd defence" against marking):
> http://anoncvs.aldigital.co.uk/lucre/
>
>   Ben Laurie gives this as a (possibly patent-free) blinding technique,
> where h is the message, and g is the public generator:
>
> r = blind(h) = h^y * g^b (mod p)
>
>   To "sign",
>
> s = sign(r) = m^h
>
>   To unblind,
>
> (s/g^k^b)^(1/y) (mod p)
>
>   (where k is the signer's secret exponent. Of course, nobody but the
> signer can verify the signature).  Unfortunately, this doesn't work with cut
> and choose where the signer signs the product of unrevealed documents, since 
> the 1/y exponent above would distribute to all the internal terms:

Boy, you've got a lot of faith asking this question on cypherpunks.
It's not exactly the intellectual center of the crypto freedom movement
these days, you know.  The average IQ is rapidly descending into double
digits, even not counting Choate.  But let's see what we can do for you.

First, let's fix your notation.

r = blind(h) = h^y * g^b  OK
s = sign(r) = r^k, not m^h.
unblind(s) = (s/g^k^b)^(1/y) = h^k = sign(h).

That's what you want to end up with, h^k, as the pseudo-signature on h.

Now for a credential system, you apparently want to create a bunch
of values which have some structure, and get a signature on a product
of them.  Using cut and choose, the client will prepare blinded forms
of all of the values, then the server will ask for half of the blinding
factors to be revealed.  This exposes the raw values to be signed and
the server can make sure they are in the right form.  If so, it then
signs the product of the remaining values, which the client unblinds to
get back a good signature on the product of the unblinded values.

The fundamental problem with this is that the blinding factors have to
be different for each of the values.  If they are all the same, then
when they are revealed for some of the values during cut and choose,
that will reveal them for all of them, and so none of them will be
effectively blinded any more.

But if the blinding factors are all different, we can't unblind since
we don't have a unique power 1/y to raise to.

That's your problem, right?

Here are a couple of possible solutions.  First, you could do a cut and
choose in which all but one of the blinded values are revealed, and only
the remaining (unrevealed) one is signed.  This has the problem that it
has only a 1/n security factor with n values.  That is, the client can
just guess which one the server won't ask to check, and if it sent say 100
values, it has a 1/100 chance of getting lucky, which might seem too high.

However since credential issuing usually occurs in a non-anonymous
context, you can afford to penalize people very heavily if they are
caught in this manner.  (Cutting the connection and refusing to resume
with the previous values has to count as cheating.)

Another approach is as follows.  Go back to the 50-50 cut and choose
with signature on the product.  However, use the same y blinding factor
for all of the values.  Now when the client has to reveal during cut and
choose, it keeps the y value secret but reveals all of the h and b values.
It then proves in zero knowledge that there exists a y such that the h^y
equals the required value.  This is a standard ZK proof of knowledge
of a discrete logarithm.  It is similar to the example Ben's paper gives
of how the bank can prove it is raising to the right power.

Since you don't have to reveal y, you can use the same y for all of them
and successfully perform the unblind operation, getting back the signature
on the product of the h's as required.

But actually another solution is much simpler, which is to do blinding
as just h * g^b, without a y factor.  That works fine as long as the
bank is known not to be misbehaving.  Ben's paper shows how the bank
can use a ZK proof to show that it is raising to the same power k every
time, basically again that same ZK proof regarding discrete logarithms.
If the bank uses such a proof then you can use simpler blinding without
a y factor, and you can recover the signature on the product of your h
values by dividing by g^k^(sum of b's).

So there you go.  A little technical for cypherpunks, but unfortunately
coderpunks, like the little old lady, has fallen and it can't get up.

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RE: Degrees of Freedom vs. Hollywood Control Freaks

[mean-green]

At 05:06 PM 6/3/2002 -0400, Trei, Peter wrote:
>Tim, I think you're missing the point here. Valenti and his ilk would like
nothing more than to force you to to rebuy your visual media *again*, but
they don't have to. I'll bet dollars to donuts that you've rebought some of
your VCR tapes as DVDs. Whey wouldn't the MPAA think they can
make you do it over?

Tim may be willing or able to repurchase his movie collection but many are not.  I've 
"backed" up all of the movies I have on VHS onto CDs (2-3 per movie average) from DVD 
in a high quality format called SVCD.  As soon as my budget allows I'll be a DVD 
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[Jason Holt]

In his paper on Lucre ("2nd defence" against marking):

http://anoncvs.aldigital.co.uk/lucre/

Ben Laurie gives this as a (possibly patent-free) blinding technique,
where h is the message, and g is the public generator:

r = blind(h) = h^y * g^b (mod p)

To "sign",

s = sign(r) = m^h

To unblind,

(s/g^k^b)^(1/y) (mod p)

(where k is the signer's secret exponent. Of course, nobody but the
signer can verify the signature).  Unfortunately, this doesn't work with cut
and choose where the signer signs the product of unrevealed documents, since 
the 1/y exponent above would distribute to all the internal terms:

((r  * r  * r   ...)^k)^(1/y )
   123  1
-- !=  (h  * r  * r   ...)^k   (mod p)
 (g^k)^b 123
1

Can anyone see how to get this to work?  It doesn't matter for Ben's
money system since he doesn't need cut and choose, but I'm working on a
patent-free credential system where the issuer needs to cut and choose to keep
the user from cheating.

Alternatively, is there another way to get some sort of blind mark
(that foils the issuer from adding subliminal information that would
compromise the blinding) without stepping on Chaum's patent?  I hear Chaum
mentioned one himself at PET 2002, but I can't find anything about it online.

-J  

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[Jim Choate]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/25574.html
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RE: Degrees of Freedom vs. Hollywood Control Freaks

[Trei, Peter]

> Jim Choate[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Trei, Peter wrote:
> 
> > Well, I'm convinced - I guess that's why every single album today is
> > released on both CD *and* vinyl - can't piss off the tens of millions of
> 
> > turntable owners, after all. 
> 
> That's not correct. There are lots of albums (aimed at DJ's for example)
> that are -NEVER- available except on vinyl. Also, if you'll actually check
> the 'yellow book' at your record store you'll find that over the last 4-5
> years a growing number of albums are available on CD only; no LP, no
> cassette. Start in the techno and related genre. Hint, they are -not- hit
> records.
> 
Jimbo wouldn't recognize irony if it came up and bit him in the ass.

Peter

RE: Degrees of Freedom vs. Hollywood Control Freaks

[Jim Choate]

On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Trei, Peter wrote:

> Well, I'm convinced - I guess that's why every single album today is
> released on both CD *and* vinyl - can't piss off the tens of millions of 
> turntable owners, after all. 

That's not correct. There are lots of albums (aimed at DJ's for example)
that are -NEVER- available except on vinyl. Also, if you'll actually check
the 'yellow book' at your record store you'll find that over the last 4-5
years a growing number of albums are available on CD only; no LP, no
cassette. Start in the techno and related genre. Hint, they are -not- hit
records.

HDTV will come. That you can take to the bank. BUT, that doesn't equate to
the end of NTSC by about 10 to 15 years.


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Re: Palm security

[Peter Hope-Tindall Address for Lists]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Adam Shostack wrote:

> 
> I find myself storing a pile of vaugely sensitive information on my 
> palm.  Where do I find the competent analysis of this?  Ideally, I'd
> like to be able to protect things that I move into a "sensitive" area
> (passwords), and maybe select items in other places that I want to
> encrypt.  I don't really want to have to enter a password each time I
> look at my schedule and todo lists.
> 
> Someone suggested YAPS
> (http://www.palmblvd.com/software/pc/Yaps-2000-11-7-palm-pc.html) are
> there others I should look at?
>  
> Adam 
>  
>  
> --  
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Palm security

[Ben Laurie]

Adam Shostack wrote:
> I find myself storing a pile of vaugely sensitive information on my 
> palm.  Where do I find the competent analysis of this?  Ideally, I'd
> like to be able to protect things that I move into a "sensitive" area
> (passwords), and maybe select items in other places that I want to
> encrypt.  I don't really want to have to enter a password each time I
> look at my schedule and todo lists.
> 
> Someone suggested YAPS
> (http://www.palmblvd.com/software/pc/Yaps-2000-11-7-palm-pc.html) are
> there others I should look at?

I use Keyring (http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnukeyring/), though it 
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[9fans] Final Call for Papers: ICONIP'02-SEAL'02-FSK'02 (fwd)

[Jim Choate]

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   [Apologies if you receive this announcement more than once.]

   [We have so far received about 600 submissions, not including
about 30 special sessions currently being organized. 
Due to numerous requests, especially from participants 
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9th International Conference on Neural Information Processing 
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4th Asia-Pacific Conference on Simulated Evolution And Learning 
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   International Conference on Fuzzy Systems and Knowledge Discovery 
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November 18 - 22, 2002, Orchid Country Club, Singapore

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  *** (NEW!) Submission Deadline: June 30, 2002 ***

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 Nanyang Technological University, Singapore

 Sponsored by:
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 SEAL & FSKD Steering Committees
Singapore Neuroscience Association

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FINAL CALL FOR PAPERS, SPONSORSHIPS, AND 
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Re: CDR: Missing pieces?

[Jim Choate]

We're not missing anything, except more users...

http://open-forge.org

On Tue, 28 May 2002, Mister Heex wrote:

> What are the fundamental building blocks that we're missing for a bright 'n'
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Re: Preliminary thoughts on Zero Knowledge's planned public offering

[Greg Broiles]

At 05:50 PM 6/4/2002 -0700, Declan McCullagh wrote:

>>* Can$1.3 million/year of remaining cash will be eaten up by four fat 
>>executive salaries that remain hefty, even given the dismal financial 
>>situation. Each of the three Hill family members gets Can$270K a year, 
>>with the CEO receiving Can$470K.

Per p. 41, as of July 1 2002, the Hills' salaries will be reduced to $225K, 
and Hevizi's (the CEO) to $300K.

(which is still a lot of money, given all that they've burned through, for 
a company in this position.)

Also, the General Manager for the Enterprise Privacy Management group, Mark 
Weidick, resigned his $338K position as of May 31 2002. Enterprise Privacy 
Management is supposed to be a big part of their new business focus, 
receiving 40% of the proceeds of the IPO.

I get the impression that even though Stefan Brands has left ZKS, they've 
retained an option to purchase one or more of his patents, that option 
expiring in August.
(cf. 
)

ZKS has also been the subject of three lawsuits for wrongful termination 
worth an aggregate of $240K, and have an ongoing dispute about a settlement 
gone bad, where the other party is seeking $630K and ZKS is seeking $100K + 
the return of a gift of 74,500 common shares (recently valued at around .75 
each). Anyone want to bet the unnamed individual with the disputed 
settlement is Brands?

I've mirrored a copy of the prosepectus at  
in case something tragic happens to the first copy.


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