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Regarding our recent thread on copyrights and artists who won't create anymore if they're not getting paid, has anyone ever played with the WinAmp plug-ins? Some of them are amazingly beautiful. Now, are they upset that people copy them? On the contrary - some of them are accused of creating bogus accounts to boost the reputation of their plug-ins, or lower that of their best competitors. So much for we won't create if we aren't paid - and, again, I'm not talking Britney Spears or Picasso here, I'm talking beauty. Mark
Re: First, get it built into all CPU chips...only _then_ make it mandatory.
-- On 7 Jul 2002 at 0:42, Gary Jeffers wrote: I suspect the the US solution would be hardware. All new hardware would be maliced and old hardware would become obsolete. The plan, as envisaged by our enemies, is that first almost everyone will voluntarily run a trusted operating system in order to view copyrighted entertainment. The major capability of the new hardware will be to advertise to servers that trusted software is in control. Then new hardware that is willing to run an untrusted operating system will be banned. After all, only pirates, drug trafficers, money launderers, and child pornographers are running untrusted software. Then only properly degreed people will be authorized to work on untrusted operating systems and hardware campable of running them. The qualifications for being properly degreed, like the qualifications for medicine, will become increasing related to control and less related to competence. Unauthorized possession of untrusted hardware will become subject to increasingly severe sanctions, and net access will only be possible through a gateway and proxies running trusted sofware. Of course the flaw in this is step one -- almost everyone runs a trusted operating system. When step one does not seem to be happening, it will be announced to be largely complete, and then step two will be launched prematurely, and so will encounter considerable hostility.. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG c6oGyTOTR4sjs5j10gZI6c8osgJ1nsUjWBiuVfcv 2tuCE2J8F56JYFA6IB8E7zAWovOi9DOy+tkuBnRCm
Re: Smart ID Cards Planned for Sailors to Spot Terrorists
At 10:16 AM -0700 on 7/6/02, Bill Stewart wrote: Bob - This isn't really cryptography-related, and I can't post to DCSB, but this does seem like Cypherpunks material I try not to post news to cypherpunks. :-). I post *lots* of news to the dbs list, of course... To prevent spamming DCSB is subscriber only, as are all my own lists. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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Re: Smart ID Cards Planned for Sailors to Spot Terrorists
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DRM as a Smart Contract
Nick Szabo created the idea of Smart Contracts several years ago. http://www.best.com/~szabo. These would be self-enforcing agreements that were based on technology rather than laws. It all sounded cool at the time. But isn't DRM a form of Smart Contract? If I need a special viewer to download some content, and that viewer enforces the terms of the contract which allows me to do the download, that enforcement happens without any laws. It is all handled by the technology. It's a Smart Contract. It's interesting how ideas can sound good until you realize that they won't let you take other people's creative output without their consent. Maybe it's time for cypherpunks to put principle over greed.
Re: DRM as a Smart Contract
At 07:51 PM 7/7/02, you wrote: Nick Szabo created the idea of Smart Contracts several years ago. http://www.best.com/~szabo. These would be self-enforcing agreements that were based on technology rather than laws. It all sounded cool at the time. But isn't DRM a form of Smart Contract? If I need a special viewer to download some content, and that viewer enforces the terms of the contract which allows me to do the download, that enforcement happens without any laws. It is all handled by the technology. It's a Smart Contract. It's interesting how ideas can sound good until you realize that they won't let you take other people's creative output without their consent. Maybe it's time for cypherpunks to put principle over greed. If a large set of content providers adopt, as a cartel, a specific, single form of smart contract that requires the same specific form of hardware that they approve, and such adoption freezes out non-approved hardware from maintaining commercial scale, then questions of monopoly and collusion arise, and the question of greed seems to shine strongest on the cartel, in my view. Regardless, to look at the entertainment industry and cypherpunks as a group, some might suspect the greater greed is not among the cypherpunks. The largest single cost was distribution. Digital communications can make that essentially free. When may we expect a price reduction that parallels the cost reduction? Or are they greedy?
Re: DRM as a Smart Contract
On Sunday, July 7, 2002, at 04:51 PM, Anonymous wrote: Nick Szabo created the idea of Smart Contracts several years ago. http://www.best.com/~szabo. These would be self-enforcing agreements that were based on technology rather than laws. It all sounded cool at the time. But isn't DRM a form of Smart Contract? If I need a special viewer to download some content, and that viewer enforces the terms of the contract which allows me to do the download, that enforcement happens without any laws. It is all handled by the technology. It's a Smart Contract. It's a technologically-enforced contract with a specific machine, not with a person, corporation, or other entity. I wouldn't call this a smart contract, as if it were something new, because processor ID and per seat software seats have been around for a long, long time. (Others have mentioned what Sun has had, and I will mention that the Symbolics Lisp Machines I worked with in the mid-80s had processor IDs on the motherboards which software licenses for expensive software (KEE, the Knowledge Engineering Environment, from Intellicorp) could and did check. And if this infrastructure is mandated by government, it becomes a lot more than a variation on dongles. It's interesting how ideas can sound good until you realize that they won't let you take other people's creative output without their consent. Maybe it's time for cypherpunks to put principle over greed. Put principle over greed?! What makes you think this list is involved in Microsoft's scheme? --Tim May Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined. --Patrick Henry
Re: DRM as a Smart Contract
Anonymous joked: Maybe it's time for cypherpunks to put principle over greed. and On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Ed Stone wrote: If a large set of content providers adopt, as a cartel, a specific, single form of smart contract that requires the same specific form of hardware that they approve, and such adoption freezes out non-approved hardware from maintaining commercial scale, then questions of monopoly and collusion arise, and the question of greed seems to shine strongest on the cartel, in my view. Regardless, to look at the entertainment industry and cypherpunks as a group, some might suspect the greater greed is not among the cypherpunks. The largest single cost was distribution. Digital communications can make that essentially free. When may we expect a price reduction that parallels the cost reduction? Or are they greedy? Greedy might be an understatement :-) Really amazingly stupid is more like it. The entertainment industry should be bought out by the Bell's, and then the telco's can resume control of *all* com-links. They won't need DRM since they'll own all the data and the pipes it goes thru. If the entertainment industry wants safe platforms, they can sell them. If you buy one, you should expect it's going to have some specific limited uses. I don't think there's any problem with that. I've got a problem with it being mandated, and I've told my congress critters so. With luck, they'll listen. All those guys can be as greedy as they want. If they don't deliver a product, they got no sales to begin with. For lots of content creators, the net bypasses the greedy guys. I don't see that going away too soon. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: Smart ID Cards Planned for Sailors to Spot Terrorists
At 10:16 AM -0700 on 7/6/02, Bill Stewart wrote: Bob - This isn't really cryptography-related, and I can't post to DCSB, but this does seem like Cypherpunks material I try not to post news to cypherpunks. :-). I post *lots* of news to the dbs list, of course... To prevent spamming DCSB is subscriber only, as are all my own lists. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Smart ID Cards Planned for Sailors to Spot Terrorists
Bob Open Mike Hettinga kariokaed: I try not to post news to cypherpunks. :-). I post *lots* of news to the dbs list, of course... To prevent spamming DCSB is subscriber only, as are all my own lists. Rolling in the phsst-shot EVA, shitting my spacesuit, wailing for yo momma's impaired irony: gameboy, that's not a joystick.
Re: TPM cost constraint [was: RE: Revenge of the WAVEoid]
At 07:05 PM 7/6/02 -0700, Lucky Green wrote:, Adding the cost of an EMBASSY or SEE environment to the,purchase of every new PC is more than the market for bare-bones or even,mid-range PC's will bear.,,--Lucky, Too bad PCMCIA cardreaders aren't widespread, then a bank could give away smartcards which would be arguably more secure than browserware.
First, get it built into all CPU chips...only _then_ make it mandatory.
My fellow Cypherpunks, Tim May writes: Then, perhaps after some major war or terror incident or other trigger, major OSes will require the TCPA/DRM features to be running at all times. Sure, maybe some little Perl or Java program Joe Sixpack writes won't need it, but anything not on the margins will require it. This then brings up the question of Open Source operating systems like the (GNU) Linux distributions and the BSD operating systems. Is the TCPA/DRM feature code to be published or censored out? For the source code, will the censored code be a binary file? This could be a mess. I believe that there was a discussion of US mandated Malice code in Open Source operating systems on the Cypherpunks list recently, but I couldn't find it with a Google search. Anybody got a Cypherpunk Hyperarchive link? If the above happens, it would keep the coding anarchists busy for years :-) Recompiling your operating system with an outlaw file included would be an anarchic and patriotic act. It could also knock down Microsoft market share. I suspect the the US solution would be hardware. All new hardware would be maliced and old hardware would become obsolete. Yours Truly, Gary Jeffers Beat State!!!
DRM as a Smart Contract
Nick Szabo created the idea of Smart Contracts several years ago. http://www.best.com/~szabo. These would be self-enforcing agreements that were based on technology rather than laws. It all sounded cool at the time. But isn't DRM a form of Smart Contract? If I need a special viewer to download some content, and that viewer enforces the terms of the contract which allows me to do the download, that enforcement happens without any laws. It is all handled by the technology. It's a Smart Contract. It's interesting how ideas can sound good until you realize that they won't let you take other people's creative output without their consent. Maybe it's time for cypherpunks to put principle over greed.
Re: DRM as a Smart Contract
At 07:51 PM 7/7/02, you wrote: Nick Szabo created the idea of Smart Contracts several years ago. http://www.best.com/~szabo. These would be self-enforcing agreements that were based on technology rather than laws. It all sounded cool at the time. But isn't DRM a form of Smart Contract? If I need a special viewer to download some content, and that viewer enforces the terms of the contract which allows me to do the download, that enforcement happens without any laws. It is all handled by the technology. It's a Smart Contract. It's interesting how ideas can sound good until you realize that they won't let you take other people's creative output without their consent. Maybe it's time for cypherpunks to put principle over greed. If a large set of content providers adopt, as a cartel, a specific, single form of smart contract that requires the same specific form of hardware that they approve, and such adoption freezes out non-approved hardware from maintaining commercial scale, then questions of monopoly and collusion arise, and the question of greed seems to shine strongest on the cartel, in my view. Regardless, to look at the entertainment industry and cypherpunks as a group, some might suspect the greater greed is not among the cypherpunks. The largest single cost was distribution. Digital communications can make that essentially free. When may we expect a price reduction that parallels the cost reduction? Or are they greedy?
