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Re: Microsoft censors Newsweek - and new version of TCPA FAQ

2002-07-10 Thread John Young 

We failed to save a copy of Steven Levy's Palladium article in Newsweek 
and online at MSNBC, now withdrawn by MSNBC. We can find no copy 
online. Whoever save a copy: we would like to receive it for publication to 
assure its continued availability.

A Microsoft programmer, John DeTreville, named in the alleged 
"Palladium" patent published on Cryptome, has written us 
(copy below) to deny the ms-drm-os patent is Palladium -- which 
he claims is based on another patent or several of them. We would 
appreciate leads on which patent or patents he is referring to.

Thanks.

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Subject: Correction to cryptome.org
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:07:45 -0700
From: "John DeTreville" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Are you a good contact person for the information on the Microsoft 
DRM patent (6,330,670) on cryptome.org?

The pages linked from http://cryptome.org/ms-drm-os.htm say that 
the authors of this patent (England, DeTreville, and Lampson) were 
identified by Newsweek as Palladium programmers.

I can reliably state that I (DeTreville) am not a Palladium programmer, 
and neither is Butler Lampson.

I believe that the Newsweek article was referring to a different patent. 
I'm sure that the Palladium participants jointly hold a significant number 
of important patents in the field of computer security.

Cheers,

John

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Re: IP: SSL Certificate "Monopoly" Bears Financial Fruit

2002-07-10 Thread Greg Broiles 

At 03:48 PM 7/10/2002 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> --
>On 6 Jul 2002 at 9:33, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
> > Thawte has now announced a round of major price increases.  New
> > cert prices appear to have almost doubled, and renewals have
> > increased more than 50%.
>[...]
>Why is not someone else issuing certificates?

See  for 
recent data re SSL certificate market share; Geotrust, at 
, has 11% of the market, and appears (from their 
web pages; I haven't bought one) to be ready to issue SSL server certs 
without the torturous document review process which Verisign invented but 
Thawte managed to make simultaneously more intrusive and less relevant.


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2002-07-10 Thread Jim Choate 

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Re: IP: SSL Certificate "Monopoly" Bears Financial Fruit

2002-07-10 Thread jamesd 

--
On 6 Jul 2002 at 9:33, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
> Thawte has now announced a round of major price increases.  New
> cert prices appear to have almost doubled, and renewals have
> increased more than 50%. While Thawte proclaims this is their
> first price increase in five years, this comes at a time when we
> should be seeing *increased* competition and *lower* prices for
> such virtual products, not such price increases.  But of course,
> in an effective monopoly environment, it's your way or the
> highway, so this should have been entirely expected.

IE comes preloaded with about 34 root certificate authorities, and
it is easy for the end user to add more, to add more in batches.
Anyone can coerce open SSL to generate any certificates he
pleases, with some work.

Why is not someone else issuing certificates?

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Re: "to outlaw general purpose computers"

2002-07-10 Thread A.Melon 

On 10 July 2002, Bill Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If your box can support current PC100 / PC133 SIMMs, you can probably
> upgrade it with enough memory to run the newer applications ok, but
> the generation of machines with Fast Page Mode 72-pin memory tends to
> be limited to 32MB or sometimes less, and 386s tend to be 8MB.

It's so difficult for the layperson to find affordable replacements for
those older machines, unfortunately.

I was running X11 on a 386DX40 with 5MB of RAM for quite a while.  It
was slower than a dog with no legs.  Eventually I had some SIMMs go bad,
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2002-07-10 Thread Nomen Nescio 

Nomen Nescio wrote:
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On 10 Jul 2002 at 15:40, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote:
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Re: "to outlaw general purpose computers"

2002-07-10 Thread Harmon Seaver 

On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 10:11:58AM -0700, Bill Stewart wrote:
> At 08:49 PM 07/09/2002 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote:
> >On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 03:17:52PM -0400, Sunder wrote:
> >> Sure, you can revive old hardware with Linux, but you'll find it runs KDE
> >> 3.0 or GNOME slower than windows 95 did on the same hardware.  So unless
> >> you're willing to also go to older software (or at least less demanding
> >> software) you've still got a useless machine.
> >
> >   What? Your brand of crack must be particularly poor these days. A 200mhz
> >cyrix cpu runs linux w/gnome fast enough for most anything. Slower than
> >w95??? Come again? I've run 1ghz boxes and they really don't surf the net 
> >much
> >faster, so what's your point?
> 
> The big issue tends to be memory rather than CPU speed -
> while Linux isn't quite the bloatware that Windows is,
> you *really* don't want to run GNOME with the default window manager
> on a P66 with 16MB RAM.  Trust me, you don't :-)
> Works just fine with TWM or other lightweight window managers.
> You also wouldn't want to run current IE / Netscape 6 on it,
> though Netscape 4.7x worked fast enough.
> 
> If your box can support current PC100 / PC133 SIMMs, you can probably
> upgrade it with enough memory to run the newer applications ok,
> but the generation of machines with Fast Page Mode 72-pin memory
> tends to be limited to 32MB or sometimes less, and 386s tend to be 8MB.
> 

   All quite true. I've got a 486X33 w/20meg that runs linux just fine,
commandline only, although I've got gnome working on it, I don't bother. Good
enough for firewall, router, etc. And I had a bunch of P100 w/16meg that I was
running for awhile as remote boot/NFS/NIS workstations. They worked pretty well,
but were slow with KDE or gnome so went with Afterstep. Also loaded StarOffice
very, very slowly, but Word Perfect popped up fairly well. Granted, I'd rather
use at least a 200, but those were good enough for reading email and websurfing.
   Actually I was recently working with a library that had all 486 machines,
486DX-100 w/32 megs -- running W95, and even they were usable for web surfing. 
   On my main home linux box, a 266, adding the second 128 DIMM didn't seem to
help a great deal -- mind you, I don't doubt that people can see clear
differences with benchmarks and all, but I can't recall the last time I ran any.
I've also got a dual-processor 200mhz (604e)  Mac with 512meg, it seems fairly
fast, good enough for watching DVD movies, although one of these days when I've
got a lot of loose change I'll probably stick a pair of G4's in that and add
another 512 of RAM, just for the heck of it. 8-)


> 
> 

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2002-07-10 Thread abcd5326x00 

I saw your email on a website I visited yesterday, and thought
you might be interested in this. 

A few months back I joined a program and then...promptly forgot
about it. You may have done this yourself sometime...you intend
to work the program but then get caught in your day-to-day
activities and it's soon forgotten.

The program was free to join so maybe I just didn't take it very
seriously.

Anyway, near the end of May I received a letter from my
sponsor (Vic Patalano) informing me that I had more than 2000
PAID members in my downline!

As you can imagine, I was very skeptical. After all, how could I
have more than 2000 paid members under me in a program that I had
never promoted?

I took the time to check out the site...then wrote to Vic asking
for confirmation that these were paid members and not just free
sign-ups...like me :)

Well, it was true...I had 2365 paid members in my downline. This
in a program that I had never worked!

All I had to do was upgrade to a paid membership before the end
of the month and I would have my position locked in and a
downline of 2365 people.

You can bet I wasted no time in getting my membership upgraded!

I can tell you, if I had known what was happening with this
program, I would have become an active paid member months ago!

With this program, you will get a HUGE downline of PAID MEMBERS.
My sponsor's check, which is a minimum of $5,000, arrives every
month...on time.

How would you like to lock your position in FREE while you check
out this opportunity and watch your downline grow?

To grab a FREE ID#, simply reply to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
and write this phrase:
"Email me details about the club's business and consumer opportunities"
Be sure to include your:
1. First name
2. Last name
3. Email address (if different from above)

We will confirm your position and send you a special report
as soon as possible, and also Your Free Member Number.

I'll get you entered and let you know how you can
keep track of your growing downline.

That's all there's to it.

I'll then send you info, and you can make up your own mind.

Warm regards,

Bruce Stevens

P.S. After having several negative experiences with network
marketing companies I had pretty much given up on them.
This company is different--it offers value, integrity, and a
REAL opportunity to have your own home-based business...
and finally make real money on the internet.

Don't pass this up..you can sign up and test-drive the
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I saw your email on a website I visited yesterday, and thought
you might be interested in this. 

A few months back I joined a program and then...promptly forgot
about it. You may have done this yourself sometime...you intend
to work the program but then get caught in your day-to-day
activities and it's soon forgotten.

The program was free to join so maybe I just didn't take it very
seriously.

Anyway, near the end of May I received a letter from my
sponsor (Vic Patalano) informing me that I had more than 2000
PAID members in my downline!

As you can imagine, I was very skeptical. After all, how could I
have more than 2000 paid members under me in a program that I had
never promoted?

I took the time to check out the site...then wrote to Vic asking
for confirmation that these were paid members and not just free
sign-ups...like me :)

Well, it was true...I had 2365 paid members in my downline. This
in a program that I had never worked!

All I had to do was upgrade to a paid membership before the end
of the month and I would have my position locked in and a
downline of 2365 people.

You can bet I wasted no time in getting my membership upgraded!

I can tell you, if I had known what was happening with this
program, I would have become an active paid member months ago!

With this program, you will get a HUGE downline of PAID MEMBERS.
My sponsor's check, which is a minimum of $5,000, arrives every
month...on time.

How would you like to lock your position in FREE while you check
out this opportunity and watch your downline grow?

To grab a FREE ID#, simply reply to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
and write this phrase:
"Email me details about the club's business and consumer opportunities"
Be sure to include your:
1. First name
2. Last name
3. Email address (if different from above)

We will confirm your position and send you a special report
as soon as possible, and also Your Free Member Number.

I'll get you entered and let you know how you can
keep track of your growing downline.

That's all there's to it.

I'll then send you info, and you can make up your own mind.

Warm regards,

Bruce Stevens

P.S. After having several negative experiences with network
marketing companies I had pretty much given up on them.
This company is different--it offers value, integrity, and a
REAL opportunity to have your own home-based business...
and finally make real money on the internet.

Don't pass this up..you can sign up and test-drive the
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Re: OT: old hardware - was Re: "to outlaw general purpose computers"

2002-07-10 Thread Harmon Seaver 

On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 10:30:13AM -0400, Sunder wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Harmon Seaver wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 03:17:52PM -0400, Sunder wrote:
> > > 
> > > Sure, you can revive old hardware with Linux, but you'll find it runs KDE
> > > 3.0 or GNOME slower than windows 95 did on the same hardware.  So unless
> > > you're willing to also go to older software (or at least less demanding
> > > software) you've still got a useless machine.
> > 
> >What? Your brand of crack must be particularly poor these days. A 200mhz
> > cyrix cpu runs linux w/gnome fast enough for most anything. Slower than
> > w95??? Come again? I've run 1ghz boxes and they really don't surf the net much
> > faster, so what's your point?
> 
> You missed the entire forrest of course by concentrating on a single pine
> needle from a single branch of a single pine tree.

   No, the point is that a lot of fairly old machines won't be obsolete for a
long time, at least running a decent OS. 

> 
> 
> Fine, have it your way:
> 
> Yeah? Which gnome? 1.0?  I wasn't concerned much about internet throughput
> as much as display rendering of shit like rendering menus and such.  
>

 Nope, I run gnome 4.0, and, I should say, I run it with 4 workspaces --
first one always has 4 gnometerminal sessions going, second has the latest
mozilla with at least 6 windows open, often acrobat reader as well, third one
has three gnometerminals and opera, which usually has at least a dozen sessions
open, and the fourth workspace usually has openoffice running. 
I don't notice anything particularly slow. Compared to a 700mhz AMD at work
and a 1ghz I've played with, it's not bad. Oh, and also it's always running
apache, postfix, and usually mysql. 
It would be nice to compile kernels faster. But even compiling them with all
the above running isn't that bad, and doesn't seem to seriously slow down the
rest.



> Oh, what, did you expect me to use Lynx maybe?


   No, mozilla and opera.

> 
> Let's also not forget that the older machines have limits on memory, which
> also affect performance.  I don't know about your hardware, but most of my
> old 100-200Mhz machines don't have motherboards that can handle much ram.  
> I'd be lucky to get 128mb in there -- if I were to bother hunting down ram
> for them and paying a lot more per megabyte for it than for say a pair of
> 512M dimms for the newer boxes.  And no, I'm not going to be spending $200
> on an accelerated 3d video card with 8mb for a piece of shit machine from
> 10 years ago either.  So yes, gnome is slow on old hardware.

   Well, this box (the tower case itself is about 10 years old) recently got
upgraded from a 200mhz to a 266 (actually it a 350 but the mb won't go that
fast, so one of these days I'll upgrade the mb, but I'm in no hurry), and it has
256 megs of RAM. DIMMS, of course. It also has a 16meg Matrox video card which
helps. 
I suppose if you're a gamer or doing a lot of big graphics, you'd need more
power, but for what I'm doing. Heck, I can recall running a web server for a
fairly big library and a mail server for over 400 accounts on little 200mhz
boxes. Worked fine -- still would. 
OTOH, if it looks like DRM is going to get mandated, I'll probably go out
and buy a dual AMD mb and a couple of 2ghz cpus, just so I'll be set for the
next decade.


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Quantum Computing Puts Encrypted Messages at Risk (fwd)

2002-07-10 Thread Jim Choate 


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Re: "to outlaw general purpose computers"

2002-07-10 Thread Bill Stewart 

At 08:49 PM 07/09/2002 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote:
>On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 03:17:52PM -0400, Sunder wrote:
> > Sure, you can revive old hardware with Linux, but you'll find it runs KDE
> > 3.0 or GNOME slower than windows 95 did on the same hardware.  So unless
> > you're willing to also go to older software (or at least less demanding
> > software) you've still got a useless machine.
>
>What? Your brand of crack must be particularly poor these days. A 200mhz
>cyrix cpu runs linux w/gnome fast enough for most anything. Slower than
>w95??? Come again? I've run 1ghz boxes and they really don't surf the net much
>faster, so what's your point?

The big issue tends to be memory rather than CPU speed -
while Linux isn't quite the bloatware that Windows is,
you *really* don't want to run GNOME with the default window manager
on a P66 with 16MB RAM.  Trust me, you don't :-)
Works just fine with TWM or other lightweight window managers.
You also wouldn't want to run current IE / Netscape 6 on it,
though Netscape 4.7x worked fast enough.

If your box can support current PC100 / PC133 SIMMs, you can probably
upgrade it with enough memory to run the newer applications ok,
but the generation of machines with Fast Page Mode 72-pin memory
tends to be limited to 32MB or sometimes less, and 386s tend to be 8MB.

Re: Fwd: Re: CP meet at H2K2?]

2002-07-10 Thread dmolnar 

According to the TimeOutNewYork eating and drinking guide:

Blarney Rock
137 W 33rd street between Broadway and Seventh Avenue
212-947-0825

Let's say midnight for *sure* as a meeting time, and perhaps people can
dart out there earlier if they feel like it. I plan to arrive at the con
around 2pm on Saturday and will stick my head in Blarney Rock on the way.
In case anyone wants my number, e-mail me.

-David


On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Greg Newby wrote:

> Sounds like a plansomeone try to remember to put a sign
> up on-site for this.  An actual address for the
> bar would be nice - is this the one on 33rd?

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Microsoft censors Newsweek - and new version of TCPA FAQ

2002-07-10 Thread Ross Anderson 

I see that MSNBC has pulled the original article on Palladium:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/770551.asp

Anyway, I have just put up version 1.0 of the TCPA / Palladium FAQ
at the same URL:

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html

Enjoy!

Ross

Slashdot | Microsoft Claims IP Rights on Portions of OpenGL (fwd)

2002-07-10 Thread Jim Choate 


http://slashdot.org/articles/02/07/10/007213.shtml?tid=109


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2002-07-10 Thread R. A. Hettinga 

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At 2:12 AM + 7/10/02, anonimo arancio wrote:
> On reflection, I did not make my situation clear.
>
> I made a fair bit of money in my home country, despite a corrupt
> kleptocratic government that that does its best to prevent people
> from earning an honest living.  I came to the US, became a green
> card holder and made a fair bit more money, and now would like to
> return to my home, where the cost of living is way lower, the food
> is much better, the skies are bluer, the ocean is warmer, the girls
> are prettier, and there is now no way whatever to earn an honest
> living.  Fortunately I can afford to retire young.
>
> I am considering becoming a US citizen immediately before I leave.
> My concern is that if I become a US citizen, the IRS might want to
> tax me wherever I go.

Oddly enough, this is topical to cypherpunks -- or it was before
people heard the answer twenty times here in the last almost 10 years
- - -- as the answer points out something people have said here all
along: the increasing futility of "hiding" your own money in an
increasingly politically-enforced book-entry global financial system.
Buy financial cryptography and not your congressman, and all that.


So, to contribute to the steganographic clutter, it seems to me that,
since the US at least *used* to be the world's greatest tax-haven, as
long as you're not an actual citizen of the US you should just move
home, leave your money here, and don't forget to take your American
Express card.

I say "used to be", because Uncle has been making every other
tax-haven take its pants down for a little digital-anal probing,
and, as a result, there are fewer tax-havens out there to choose
from, thus making changing Uncle Sam into a financial version of
Uncle Ernie (may John Entwhistle RIP). You might want to talk to your
friendly local Arthur Andersen partner, or the local "Cheshire Cat"
money laundry and hawala franchisee for details. Reciprocity's a
bitch, and all that.

Unless, of course, you fancy yourself riding out of the ether on an
infocalypse-horse, or you're from one of those seven dirty countries
whose name you can't say on television without the appropriate
perjorative, in which case all bets are off, same as they ever were.
In that case, expect a little probing yourself when leaving for home,
if not every second Thursday from now on for posting a question here
in the first place, "anonimo", or not, traffic analysis being a
bitch, as well...


The only reason you'd *want* to become a citizen is if you want to
stay here for good, while taking the odd jaunt to troll your good
fortune around the Old Country. I mean, you can almost buy a gun
here, our roads are still pretty good, our girls ain't all ugly, they
still haven't nuked us yet, and, frankly, it's only immigrants like
you who actually work for a living around here anyway, while
correspondingly making significantly more money than others in their
social "strata" -- but it appears, from the size of the roll in your
pocket, you've noticed that already, or were at least happy to see
us.

If you *do* get a US passport, and go back home to live on the cheap,
and your former home government puts you in jail for farting upwind
of the local jefenisterie, the only thing our government is likely to
do is make indignant mewling noises in your general direction, like
they do about the odd naturalized Chinese who is foolish enough to go
back and "dissent" against a country which still fancies itself a
communist state, thankyouverymuch.


Stir political fluids in the opposite direction for America de la
Sur, YMMV, IANAL, ya get whatcha pay for, etc., yadayadabingbang, and
so forth and so on...

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experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

Fwd: Re: CP meet at H2K2?]

2002-07-10 Thread Greg Newby 

Sounds like a plansomeone try to remember to put a sign
up on-site for this.  An actual address for the 
bar would be nice - is this the one on 33rd?

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From: dmolnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Greg Newby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CP meet at H2K2?
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:04:32 -0400 (EDT)



The buzz on the cypherpunks-NYC list is that the most convenient bar is
the "blarney rock", just near the hotel pennsylvania. How about say we'll
meet there at midnight on Saturday?

-David

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Greg Newby wrote:

> H2K2, 2600's conference, is at Hotel Penn in New York
> July 12-14.  http://www.h2k2.net
>
> CP contributors who are scheduled include
> John Young and yours truly.  Maybe others I
> didn't recognize or see yet.  I heard of a few other
> tentatives.
>
> The full conference schedule should be online within
> the next couple of days.  I'm thinking of a CP
> meet Saturday night July 12.  Anyone else gonna be there?
>   -- Greg
>
>

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Highjacker's Banking Problems

2002-07-10 Thread Duncan Frissell 

Sept. 11 Hijackers Said to Fake Data on Bank Accounts

Sayeth the New York Times:

  July 10, 2002
  Sept. 11 Hijackers Said to Fake Data on Bank Accounts
  By JAMES RISEN

  WASHINGTON, July 9  The Sept. 11 hijackers were able to open
  35 American bank accounts without having legitimate Social
  Security numbers and opened some of the accounts with
  fabricated Social Security numbers that were never checked or
  questioned by bank officials, a senior F.B.I. official said
  today.
  ...
  With no scrutiny from the financial institutions or
  government regulators, the hijackers were able to move
  hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Middle East into
  the United States through a maze of bank accounts beginning
  more than a year before their attacks.

  A spokesman for SunTrust, which is based in Atlanta, said the
  bank had been cooperating with the F.B.I.'s investigation.
  The spokesman said it was possible for foreigners without
  Social Security numbers to open bank accounts in this
  country, but he could not provide details of what forms of
  identification the hijackers used to open the SunTrust
  accounts.
  ...
  One of the first signs of a large infusion of cash coming
  into the United States for use by the hijackers appears in
  bank records dating from 2000, when $100,000 was deposited in
  bank accounts controlled by some of the leading hijackers,
  including Mr. Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi, Mr. Lormel said.
  ...



Note that it is as legal as church on a Sunday for non-residents to open
financial accounts in the US or Switzerland or the UK etc. Many US banks
don't accommodate foreigners but that is because of sloth not law.
Certainly online brokers (who are quasi banks) do market to foreigners.

One reason that SS numbers were not verified is that the SSA has
traditionally refused to verify for privacy reasons and the alternative
method involves doing a credit check which takes time and money. And in
the case of non-interest-paying current accounts there are no tax issues.

Banks located in the "red states" are not as bureaucratic as banks in the
"blue states" and have been much slower to adopt the controls popular on
the coasts. This is changing of course but there are still many social
differences which make account transactions easier in the free states.

But let's assume for a moment that Homeland Security shuts the banks down
and requires verified DNA samples and licenses from 10 separate agencies
to open a financial account in the US. So the middle class Egyptians and
Saudis with no criminal records who attacked us are faced with the
ultimate challenge of getting the $500K they needed into the US.

By dint of heroic effort, the future highjackers manage to open bank
accounts in Egypt and Saudi Arabia. They receive ATM, debit, or credit
cards to draw on those accounts. Perhaps they encourage their French or
British co-conspirators to open accounts in those countries. They arrive
in the US and withdraw the $500 to $1000 per day maximum (per account)
from ATM machines. Assume they have only managed to open 5 accounts.
That's $2500 to $5000/day. Or 100 to 200 days to withdraw $500K. Not much
of a trick particularly since they are not limited to 5 accounts and can
get cash advances at any bank with any credit cards they have.

But then Homeland Security outlaws ATMs and credit cards (or at least the
international connections of same). This is tantamount to imposing
exchange controls which the US has never done. So the attackers have to
fall back on Krugerrands. At $333 a pop, they have to get 1500 KRs into
the country. Since bullion coins are not considered currency, they aren't
covered by financial instrument import reporting laws. But you can just
mail them one or two at a time. Most of them will get through. No big
deal.

The truth is that it's a bit tricky to block the movement of small
amounts of money like this.

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OT: old hardware - was Re: "to outlaw general purpose computers"

2002-07-10 Thread Sunder 

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Harmon Seaver wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 03:17:52PM -0400, Sunder wrote:
> > 
> > Sure, you can revive old hardware with Linux, but you'll find it runs KDE
> > 3.0 or GNOME slower than windows 95 did on the same hardware.  So unless
> > you're willing to also go to older software (or at least less demanding
> > software) you've still got a useless machine.
> 
>What? Your brand of crack must be particularly poor these days. A 200mhz
> cyrix cpu runs linux w/gnome fast enough for most anything. Slower than
> w95??? Come again? I've run 1ghz boxes and they really don't surf the net much
> faster, so what's your point?

You missed the entire forrest of course by concentrating on a single pine
needle from a single branch of a single pine tree.


Fine, have it your way:

Yeah? Which gnome? 1.0?  I wasn't concerned much about internet throughput
as much as display rendering of shit like rendering menus and such.  

Oh, what, did you expect me to use Lynx maybe?

Let's also not forget that the older machines have limits on memory, which
also affect performance.  I don't know about your hardware, but most of my
old 100-200Mhz machines don't have motherboards that can handle much ram.  
I'd be lucky to get 128mb in there -- if I were to bother hunting down ram
for them and paying a lot more per megabyte for it than for say a pair of
512M dimms for the newer boxes.  And no, I'm not going to be spending $200
on an accelerated 3d video card with 8mb for a piece of shit machine from
10 years ago either.  So yes, gnome is slow on old hardware.

> > OTOH, if it does work well enough, and you don't care for swapping memos
> > in Micro$loth Word V283.23 with cow-orkers or don't care about watching
> > the latest 3d movie on XVD disks, then by all means, if you don't mind the
> > huge power consumption, use that old iron.
> 
>   power consumption?? my 200mhz box? 

Power consumption per MIPS.  Do the math.  That old 200Mhz box is costing
you as much more in MIPS/Watts than your 1GHz box.  Unless of course
you're comparing notebooks with fully loaded towers. :)  My old piece of
shit Pentium 1 box which has a 250Watt power supply.  Same as my newer
machines.  Which is more expensive to run, hmm?  Now lets say that you
take every machine you've ever had and run them all at the same time.

How much aggregate MIPS will you get out of them versus how many
Watts/hour would you be using?   Will those be servers of some sort?  Oh,
ok, that means you'll need more UPS's.  What?  You don't have
UPS's?  Silly man! I've got UPS's on practically everything. Yes, yes,
including the Tivo and my alarm clock.  Two 3+ hour blackouts was more
than enough to convince me.  Hell, I was pricing generators right after
that, but thought a few large UPS's would do the trick.


Certainly that old Pentium tower makes a fine firewall, DNS, mail, or
printer server, or low bandwith web server, but for how much longer?  At
what point does it become useless?  Certainly were I to bother encrypting
everything on it, disk, swap, and network connectivity, it would slow down
to Commodore 64 levels of usability.  And how many users do you have going
through it?  Just yourself perhaps?

Ever notice how much slower it is to ssh to that old 100Mhz PC of yours
than to the 1Ghz one?  the initial connection takes far longer to
complete?  Maybe you haven't, I have.

Perhaps you need more caffeine in your blood stream.  Seems to me your IQ
is faling.

JOINT VENTURE

2002-07-10 Thread CDR Anonymizer 

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Re: Tax consequences of becoming a US citizen

2002-07-10 Thread Adam Shostack 

On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 07:22:30PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
| On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 06:30  PM, Anonymous wrote:
| 
| > On 9 Jul 2002 at 14:02, Tim May wrote:
| >> Unless one's stay is a short one (see below), income or other
| >> money earned while in the U.S. (and maybe earned outside the
| >> U.S. if the IRS can make a nexus case) is taxable.
| >
| > The question really is:  Suppose one becomes a US citizen, and
| > then resides outside the US.  Then is money on earned on assets
| > outside the US taxable by US authorities.
| 
| Yes, but under expat tax rates. Cf. the IRS site, tax regs, etc. for 
| details.

It seems that it may be similar to that for Green Card holders as
well:

http://www.techvisas.com/taxation.htm

Adam


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tcpa paper (fwd)

2002-07-10 Thread Mike Rosing 

The academics think that TCPA technology is already solved.  I haven't
read the whole paper, but y'all might find it interesting.

--Begin Forward ---
From: Sean Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:18:22 -0400


You know, as long as we're discussing this pile of issues of
how do you bind keypairs to software entities, and what that means,
etc., the ESORICS paper I mentioned (a revised version of an older
tech report) has a lot of relevance.   "How, before TCPA,
I solved the problem of meaningfully binding keys to software entities
in a tricky hardware environment."

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~sws/papers/esorics02.pdf

This work may have more relevance to open
platforms than England et al admit...

--Sean



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Re: Why we must stay silent no longer

2002-07-10 Thread cubic-dog 

The overall message isn't all that bad, 
but the body of the document is so replete
with errors, misrepresentations and 
misconveyance as to be unreadable.

I almost gave up on it at the line, 
"More than 75 per cent of Americans 
would boycott stores selling goods 
produced in sweatshops."

This isn't even remotely based in reality.
Who ever came up with this number, assuming
it was sincere, is seriously deluded.

There are plenty of other inaccuracies that
would have better been left unstated. 

On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Anonymous wrote:

> The death of democracy is at hand.
> 
> http://www.zmag.org/meastwatch/hertz.htm

RE: Tax consequences of becoming a US citizen.

2002-07-10 Thread Trei, Peter 

> Greg Broiles[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> 
> At 11:52 AM 7/9/2002 -0400, An Metet wrote:
> >What are the tax implications of a US resident green card holder, with 
> >substantial assets both in his original nation and in the US, of becoming
> 
> >a US citizen?
> 
> Take a look at . Non-US citizens may be 
> classified as residents, nonresidents, or as dual status aliens; they also
> 
> frequently can choose whether they would prefer to file as residents or 
> nonresidents; this is an area where professional assistance is very
> helpful.
> 
> Subsequent replies to this question have, in an unproductive fashion, 
> confused US citizens living outside the US and former citizens living 
> outside the US; the 10-year rule applies to people who have given up their
> 
> US citizenship. People who remain citizens while living elsewhere are 
> subject to US tax on their worldwide income (but, some income is excluded,
> 
> and some income which is taxed by other jurisdictions won't be taxed again
> 
> by the US) for as long as they're alive.
> 
[I'm a US citizen who lived for many years abroad, so I have some awareness
of the issue].

Greg's pretty well got it spot on, but I'd like to refine things a bit. If a
US
citizen lives abroad, the USG will try to extract taxes from both his US
*and* foreign income, beyond certain minimums (the only other countries
which do this are the Phillipines and Egypt, both of which have large
numbers of citizens working in other countries (so they have an excuse, 
the US doesn't)). 

If you emigrate and give up your US citizenship, any assets you take
with you above a certain limit (?? $400k ??) are subject to a sort of 
'exit tax'. This is an idea the US adopted from the Soviet Union,
where it was used to harrass Jewish emigrants. What is more, 
the IRS will still claim to be able to tax your non-US income for 
10 years after you give up your citizenship (with caps, I think 
the same as an expat).

This law was put in place not too long ago, after there was a brief
storm in a teacup over certain multimillionaires giving up their
citizenships for tax purposes. In a populist stunt, the USG put in place
laws to punish these emigrants. In doing so they set the asset cap
so low that many people leaving for perfectly legitimate reasons were 
caught up in it. The political rhetoric around the issue was very 
nasty - it was clear that the congresscritters could not conceive 
that any person could have a legitimate, above-board reason to 
want to give up US citizenship.

Of course, at the moment the USG only occasionally chooses to flout
the sovereignty of foreign nations on issues of non-US citizens, and
it is still pretty rare for the USG to kidnap people abroad. Therefore, 
if you've given up your US citizenship, and are abroad, you have the
option of telling the IRS to pound sand before the 10 year limit is up.
If you do this, they will try to seize any US assets you may have,
and will arrest you for tax evasion if you ever set foot on US soil.

As Tim would say, check the archives. About 3 years ago, one or
two list members said they were giving up their US citizenship, 
and taking up Mozambiquian (sp?) citizenship, to enable them to
write and export cryptographic software without being subject to
US control. There was an extensive discussion of the topic at that
time.

So, to the subject of the original question: I don't think taking up
US citizenship, then retiring abroad, makes a hell of a lot of
sense from a tax point of view, unless the Social Security payments
are important, the total assets taken out are low, and the expected
non-US income falls below the minimum the US allows expats 
tax-free. There are a lot of other effects of US citzenship vs 
US citizenship, but those are my non-lawyer speculations on the
tax implications.

Peter Trei

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