Fwd: Re: Quantum Computing Puts Encrypted Messages at Risk (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:24:48 +0200 From: Amir Herzberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Re: Quantum Computing Puts Encrypted Messages at Risk At 20:50 11/07/2002, Ian wrote: When I first read The Code Book (Simon Singh), I drooled endlessly at the idea of Unbreakable Encryption, until I became a little more cynical. I questioned Dr Singh on this when he came and gave a lecture in Cheltenham UK recently, and his best answer was that QKD is so secure because its a different kind of system. Its not like conventional encryption. [synopsis - not direct quotation]. I'm not thorougly convinced. Can anyone (politely) prove this mere outsider wrong? I am also not a physicist. So I share your skepticism about relying for security on physic theories which I don't understand, and furthermore which may evolve and refine over time. However, as many people are excited about Quantum crypto, I really would like to put my skepticism aside and understand what is its cryptographic significance, say if we accept the physics as valid (for ever or at least `long enough`). In particular I'm considering whether I should and can cover this area in my book. I must admit I haven't yet studied this area carefully, so my questions may be naive, if so please excuse me (and your answer will be doubly appreciated). Some questions: 1. Quantum key encryption seems to require huge amounts of truly random bits at both sender and receiver. This seems impractical as (almost) truly random bits are hard to produce (especially at high speeds). Is there a fix? 2. After the transmission, the receiver is supposed to tell the sender how it set its polarization; how is this authenticated? If it isn't we are obviously susceptible to man in the middle attack. 3. It seems the quantum link must connect directly from sender to receiver. How can this help provide end to end security on the Internet? Or are we back to private networks? 4. As to quantum computation signalling the end of `crypto as we know it`... Is it fair to say this may end only the mechanisms built on discrete log and/or factoring, but not shared key algorithms like AES and some of the other public key algorithms? Best, Amir Herzberg Amir Herzberg See http://amir.herzberg.name/book.html for draft chapters from `Introduction to Cryptography, Secure Communication and Commerce`, and link to lectures. Comments appreciated. - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which universe are we in?
Eric Cordian wrote: Still, Nature abhors overcomplexification, and plain old quantum mechanics works just fine for predicting the results of experiments. Oh yeah? So predict when this radioactive isotope will decay, if you please. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff
Re: Fwd: Re: Quantum Computing Puts Encrypted Messages at Risk (fwd)
Random photons in optical systems are easy to get at hight speed, a flame. BEC's also have the capability to make some significant breaks in the security of optical encryption. For example, one can trap a photon in a BEC, measure it's parameters at one of the BEC-component atoms, then re-emit the photon without changing its state (the trick is we are measuring a part of the photon not the entire photon, and the photon is standing still - frozen in time). -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:24:48 +0200 From: Amir Herzberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Re: Quantum Computing Puts Encrypted Messages at Risk At 20:50 11/07/2002, Ian wrote: When I first read The Code Book (Simon Singh), I drooled endlessly at the idea of Unbreakable Encryption, until I became a little more cynical. I questioned Dr Singh on this when he came and gave a lecture in Cheltenham UK recently, and his best answer was that QKD is so secure because its a different kind of system. Its not like conventional encryption. [synopsis - not direct quotation]. I'm not thorougly convinced. Can anyone (politely) prove this mere outsider wrong? I am also not a physicist. So I share your skepticism about relying for security on physic theories which I don't understand, and furthermore which may evolve and refine over time. However, as many people are excited about Quantum crypto, I really would like to put my skepticism aside and understand what is its cryptographic significance, say if we accept the physics as valid (for ever or at least `long enough`). In particular I'm considering whether I should and can cover this area in my book. I must admit I haven't yet studied this area carefully, so my questions may be naive, if so please excuse me (and your answer will be doubly appreciated). Some questions: 1. Quantum key encryption seems to require huge amounts of truly random bits at both sender and receiver. This seems impractical as (almost) truly random bits are hard to produce (especially at high speeds). Is there a fix? 2. After the transmission, the receiver is supposed to tell the sender how it set its polarization; how is this authenticated? If it isn't we are obviously susceptible to man in the middle attack. 3. It seems the quantum link must connect directly from sender to receiver. How can this help provide end to end security on the Internet? Or are we back to private networks? 4. As to quantum computation signalling the end of `crypto as we know it`... Is it fair to say this may end only the mechanisms built on discrete log and/or factoring, but not shared key algorithms like AES and some of the other public key algorithms? Best, Amir Herzberg Amir Herzberg See http://amir.herzberg.name/book.html for draft chapters from `Introduction to Cryptography, Secure Communication and Commerce`, and link to lectures. Comments appreciated. - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- When I die, I would like to be born again as me. Hugh Hefner [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
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Nomen Nescio wrote: On Tue, Jul 09, at 02:02PM, Tim May wrote: Also, a person having extensive offshore (outside the U.S.) assets may well find his assets are now taxable in the U.S. And for those with capital assets not taxed in their home countries (e.g., Germany, Japan), this may be quite a shock. On 9 Jul 2002 at 18:40, Gabriel Rocha wrote: This applies wether he is a US citizen or not, green card holder or not, Sealand citizen or not. Once the IRS sinkstheir claws into you, you're screwed. Are you saying that if someone is legally resident in the US for a while, the US IRS will attempt to get his assets all over the world forever? I find this hard to believe. Fascinating. Take it to taxpunks. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff
Re: Atmospheric noise fair coin flipping
On Sunday, July 14, 2002, at 05:45 AM, gfgs pedo wrote: hi, Does a fair coin exist in real world? Like as according to Allan Turing-an event is defined by set of certain parameters governing the event at that instant. by redoing the same experiment-do we always have the same set of parameters that previously defined the coin. No, certainly not. We have limited measurement precision, currently something like 12 decimal places for most mass/gravity/thing parameters. Even our theory of QED is only good to about 23 decimal places, less in any real world laboratory. The result? The errors will come marching in from beyond, resulting in variations in coin tosses, billiard table evolutions, etc. Cf. a large body of (mostly old) stuff on this. Google is your friend. it is said that atmospheric noise is random but how can we say for sure. No, no sequence (of bits, symbols, pressures, etc.) can ever be proved to be random. Cf. Chaitin, Kolmogorov, or more popular accounts in, say, Rucker's Mind Tools. Also covered in archives of this list. You ask a lot of questions. I encourage you to find some of the basic books, use Google, and to think deeply about questions before phrasing them here. --Tim May
Re: Atmospheric noise fair coin flipping
At 05:45 AM 7/14/02 -0700, gfgs pedo wrote: it is said that atmospheric noise is random but how can we say for sure. Physics, chaos, the growth of initial uncertainty as systems evolve, energy/time required to make measurements to arbitrary precision. what if the parameters giverning atmospheric noise vary frm time 2 time. The rules of physics are those that don't change from time to time, or place to place. Certainly the e.g., wind speed does. so can we say atmospheric noise is random or a coin flipping is random-only because it passes die hard test or other randomness tests-which is an indicator of randomness with the current defenition of parameters in determing randomness? No, since 'anything through a whitener passes' these tests. The integers (0, 1, 2..) fed into DES will pass. (Equivalently) A low-entropy source fed into a hash will pass. [Historical note: this is why Intel should make its raw RNG data available in chips with whitened-output RNG functions] To have a true RNG, You *must* have a physical understanding of the source of entropy whence you distill the pure bits (whether or not you feed it into a whitener after distillation). Precisely because a 'black box' may be a deterministic (if you know the secret) PRNG. By 'distill' I mean reduce N bits to M, N M, in such a way as to increase the entropy of the resultant M bits. is there truly random or that we can say with certain degre of confidence that they are nearly random as all current evidence poits so. 'Random' should be taken to mean 'ignorant of'. It suffices that we (and our adversary) are ignorant of the detailed conditions inside a noise diode, unstable atomic nucleus, atmospheric (or FM radio) noise receiver, etc. Philosophical discussions about 'true randomness' (Is there a deeper/smaller level of description in which apparently-random events are based or emerge from?) are beyond the scope of this rant.
Re: Which universe are we in? (tossing tennis balls into spinning props)
At 03:21 PM 7/14/02 +0100, Ben Laurie wrote: Eric Cordian wrote: Still, Nature abhors overcomplexification, and plain old quantum mechanics works just fine for predicting the results of experiments. Oh yeah? So predict when this radioactive isotope will decay, if you please. You mean this particular *atom* will decay. And while QM can't help you with a particular atom, it also doesn't say that its impossible that knowledge of internal states of the atom wouldn't help you predict its fragmentation. Think about tossing tennis balls through spinning propellers. You might think you could only characterize the translucent prop-disk by a certain probability that the ball would get through vs. get shredded. (Propeller mechanics) But if you could see the phase of the prop as it spun, you could time your tosses and predict which would get shredded. But without that high-speed strobe, you just think there's a disk where there's really a spinning blade.
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Re: CDR: Re: Atmospheric noise fair coin flipping
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Tim May wrote: On Sunday, July 14, 2002, at 05:45 AM, gfgs pedo wrote: You ask a lot of questions. I encourage you to find some of the basic books, use Google, and to think deeply about questions before phrasing them here. Ignore Tim. Keep asking your questions. -- When I die, I would like to be born again as me. Hugh Hefner [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
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Re: CDR: Re: Which universe are we in? (tossing tennis balls into spinning props)
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Optimizzin Al-gorithym wrote: And while QM can't help you with a particular atom, it also doesn't say that its impossible that knowledge of internal states of the atom wouldn't help you predict its fragmentation. Other rules do; Uncertaintly Principle, 2nd Law for starters. -- When I die, I would like to be born again as me. Hugh Hefner [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
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Re: Which universe are we in? (tossing tennis balls into spinning props)
At 03:21 PM 7/14/02 +0100, Ben Laurie wrote: Eric Cordian wrote: Still, Nature abhors overcomplexification, and plain old quantum mechanics works just fine for predicting the results of experiments. Oh yeah? So predict when this radioactive isotope will decay, if you please. You mean this particular *atom* will decay. And while QM can't help you with a particular atom, it also doesn't say that its impossible that knowledge of internal states of the atom wouldn't help you predict its fragmentation. Think about tossing tennis balls through spinning propellers. You might think you could only characterize the translucent prop-disk by a certain probability that the ball would get through vs. get shredded. (Propeller mechanics) But if you could see the phase of the prop as it spun, you could time your tosses and predict which would get shredded. But without that high-speed strobe, you just think there's a disk where there's really a spinning blade.
Re: CDR: Re: Atmospheric noise fair coin flipping
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Tim May wrote: On Sunday, July 14, 2002, at 05:45 AM, gfgs pedo wrote: You ask a lot of questions. I encourage you to find some of the basic books, use Google, and to think deeply about questions before phrasing them here. Ignore Tim. Keep asking your questions. -- When I die, I would like to be born again as me. Hugh Hefner [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
Re: Atmospheric noise fair coin flipping
On Sunday, July 14, 2002, at 05:45 AM, gfgs pedo wrote: hi, Does a fair coin exist in real world? Like as according to Allan Turing-an event is defined by set of certain parameters governing the event at that instant. by redoing the same experiment-do we always have the same set of parameters that previously defined the coin. No, certainly not. We have limited measurement precision, currently something like 12 decimal places for most mass/gravity/thing parameters. Even our theory of QED is only good to about 23 decimal places, less in any real world laboratory. The result? The errors will come marching in from beyond, resulting in variations in coin tosses, billiard table evolutions, etc. Cf. a large body of (mostly old) stuff on this. Google is your friend. it is said that atmospheric noise is random but how can we say for sure. No, no sequence (of bits, symbols, pressures, etc.) can ever be proved to be random. Cf. Chaitin, Kolmogorov, or more popular accounts in, say, Rucker's Mind Tools. Also covered in archives of this list. You ask a lot of questions. I encourage you to find some of the basic books, use Google, and to think deeply about questions before phrasing them here. --Tim May
Re: Atmospheric noise fair coin flipping
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, gfgs pedo wrote: hi, Does a fair coin exist in real world? Depends on what you mean by fair and how long you have to throw it to get a usable string. If you're using it to play a game over the span of a few minutes to a few days, probably most coins are 'fair'. If you need to use it over a very long period (very few current applications I'll grant you ) then no coin is 'fair'. Note that this bias of the coin isn't a function of air resistance, it would still show the bias in space; though it might be a bit different in atmosphere than in space - the faces are not the same. What makes the difference is the distribution of mass and where the resultant CG is located. Any two coins will have a slightly different CG location within the volume of the coin. Like as according to Allan Turing-an event is defined by set of certain parameters governing the event at that instant. by redoing the same experiment-do we always have the same set of parameters that previously defined the coin. See 2nd Law Uncertainty Principle. it is said that atmospheric noise is random but how can we say for sure. A thunderstorm is not random. By 'atomospheric noise' you're making refrence to the individual particles that strike your eardrum (seashore in a shell effect). Not quite the same thing, your wording is too vague to be meaningfull. so can we say atmospheric noise is random or a coin flipping is random-only because it passes die hard test or other randomness tests-which is an indicator of randomness with the current defenition of parameters in determing randomness? Actually these tests are not perfect and are used on 'short' strings. A string from a supposad RNG that's only a few million billion gigabytes long isn't a very long string. It's also probably not boing to be used for very long at each invocation, so the discrepency is below the error. The point is these tests are statistical. They say, only with a certain degree of confidence (in other words I could be wrong) that the string looks 'random'. is there truly random or that we can say with certain degre of confidence that they are nearly random as all current evidence poits so. Several physical systems, radioactive decay and magnetic pendulums being my two favorite examples, are random by definition. If they aren't then the world would be a lot different place than it is. -- When I die, I would like to be born again as me. Hugh Hefner [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
Re: Microsoft censors Newsweek - and new version of TCPA FAQ
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, John Young wrote: The US Dept. of Commerce Technology Administration is inviting the public to make comments for the upcomming Workshop on Digital Entertainment and Rights Management. The workshop will be held on July 17. http://www.ta.doc.gov/comments/comments.htm I just tried posting a comment and got this: HTTP Error 404 404 Not Found The Web server cannot find the file or script you asked for. Please check the URL to ensure that the path is correct. Please contact the server's administrator if this problem persists. Anybody know who their server admin might be? I'll send something to their public affairs e-mail since that's all I can find for now. But if anyone else gets thru let me know, and I'll try again. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: DRM will not be legislated
Anonymous wrote: Legislation of DRM is not in the cards, [...] Care to support this claim? (the Hollings bill and the DMCA requirement for Macrovision in every VCR come to mind as evidence to the contrary)
Re: Which universe are we in?
Eric Cordian wrote: Still, Nature abhors overcomplexification, and plain old quantum mechanics works just fine for predicting the results of experiments. Oh yeah? So predict when this radioactive isotope will decay, if you please. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff
Re: Tax consequences of becoming a US citizen
Nomen Nescio wrote: On Tue, Jul 09, at 02:02PM, Tim May wrote: Also, a person having extensive offshore (outside the U.S.) assets may well find his assets are now taxable in the U.S. And for those with capital assets not taxed in their home countries (e.g., Germany, Japan), this may be quite a shock. On 9 Jul 2002 at 18:40, Gabriel Rocha wrote: This applies wether he is a US citizen or not, green card holder or not, Sealand citizen or not. Once the IRS sinkstheir claws into you, you're screwed. Are you saying that if someone is legally resident in the US for a while, the US IRS will attempt to get his assets all over the world forever? I find this hard to believe. Fascinating. Take it to taxpunks. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff
RE: IP: SSL Certificate Monopoly Bears Financial Fruit
RJ Harvey wrote: Thanks for the tip! I just got a new cert from Geotrust, and it was such an amazing contrast to those I've gotten from Verisign and Thawte! They apparently take the verification info from the whois data on the site, and you really can do the process from start to finish in 10 minutes or so. I believe that Geotrust has come up with an excellent new model to make money out of the CA business with minimum hassle to the customer while reducing Geotrust's vetting costs down to next to zero. Their introduction of this new model was one of the more interesting news at this year's otherwise rather bland RSA Conference. The cert shows that it's issued by Equifax, however. The cert shows as being issued by Equifax because Geotrust purchased Equifax's root embedded in major browsers since MSIE 5 on the secondary market. (Geotrust purchased more than just the root). --Lucky Green
