Nuclear armed dictatorships and allies.China-Pakistan.

[Matthew X]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=17649040
China modernising Pak infrastructure 
PTI [ THURSDAY, AUGUST 01, 2002 11:40:28 AM ] 
BEIJING: As part of Beijing's efforts to supplement its strong political
and military ties with Islamabad, China is actively helping develop
Pakistan's key infrastructure sectors like roads, ports and
railways.
The leadership of the two countries during their recent meetings has
decided to establish a "comprehensive partnership" in all
fields of mutual interest, particularly in the economic field, official
sources said. I just spewed coffee out of my nose.

Shrub insults your intelligence and a nuclear armed State.

[Matthew X]

Back peddling on whistle blowers and now this...White House defends
Bush's omission of Hinduism 

WASHINGTON: White House press secretary Ari Fleischer
had a tough time explaining why President George W Bush failed to mention
Hinduism among the religions practised in the US, even as he asserted
that in line with the country's pluralistic traditions, the President had
equal regard for people from all faiths.Bush had reportedly failed to
list Hinduism among the religions practised in America, though he took
Christianity, Judaism and Islam in the reckoning.
Shrub has clearly earned ringbarking.

Drop da Bombe!

[Matthew X]

http://www.donet.com/~danderson/bombe/index.html
The US Navy's Enigma code-breaker, the Bombe, first publicly exhibited
the summer of 1990 at the Smithsonian
Would you like to learn more about codes and ciphers, or try your hand
at some crypto puzzles? 
·   A
fun site to visit:
·  Tales
of the Encrypted 
·   A
good information and links page, just titled
·Enigma,
sponsored by a hardward/software firm in the Netherlands 
·Just
when I thought everything that could be said about WWII cryptography had
been said --
·   Enigma
-- The Movie!!! 

No wardriving in the war room.

[Matthew X]

You cant fight in here!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24904-2002Jul31.html

The Defense Department, concerned that hackers or spies might eavesdrop on 
classified meetings or secretly track the locations of top U.S. officials, 
is imposing new limits on its workers' use of the latest generation of 
wireless devices inside military buildings.
Wonder if these are covered
http://www.cpen.com/

RE: White House Sounds Call For New Internet Standards

[Lucky Green]

Steve wrote:
> The Bush administration's cyber security czar, Richard 
> Clarke, said it might be time to replace the "creaky, cranky" 
> 20-year-old protocols that drive the Internet with standards 
> better able to accommodate a flood of new wireless devices. 
> Wireless devices, it is feared, may introduce large security 
> holes to the network. The White House is working with the 
> private sector to draft a national plan to secure the 
> country's most vital computer networks from cyber attack.

How about IPv6 with IPSEC?

--Lucky

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RE: White House Sounds Call For New Internet Standards

[Eugen Leitl]

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Lucky Green wrote:

> > Clarke, said it might be time to replace the "creaky, cranky" 
> > 20-year-old protocols that drive the Internet with standards 
> > better able to accommodate a flood of new wireless devices. 
> > Wireless devices, it is feared, may introduce large security 
> > holes to the network. The White House is working with the 
> > private sector to draft a national plan to secure the 
> > country's most vital computer networks from cyber attack.
> 
> How about IPv6 with IPSEC?

Wireless is the canonical case for geographic routing. Addresses as static
or dynamic positions in space (either mutual time of flight or deriving
refinable position from connection constraints), packet routing as the
crow flies, local-knowledge routing tables that only know about a few km
space around you, almost no admin traffic. Plus, routing logic thin enough
to fit into deep embedded footprint, or be cast in hardware for
relativistic speed cut-through.

IPv6 can't handle most this, especially on the scale required. There's
point in going IPv6, but at the same time one must be aware that this is
just a patch, not a fix.

RE: White House Sounds Call For New Internet Standards

[Duncan Frissell]

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Lucky Green wrote:

>
> How about IPv6 with IPSEC?
>
> --Lucky
>

Isn't that a creaky, cranky 10-year-old protocol?

DCF

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Street Stocks

*** Our Current recommendation:
TTGG ***

Hot Technology Alert: Multi-use
Technology has Finally Gone Public
  

  


  

 The Company
  


T & G2 (TTGG) quoted on the Nasdaq OTCBB,
is a company that believes every firm should have the capability
to have access to Biometric technology , therefore they have
made it quite cost effective. In making it cost effective they
have created a service that continues to attract a greater number
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directly to the client’s payroll service.



  

 Market Potential
  


TTGG’s objective is to capture 2% of the U.S.
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the next five to seven years. Based on funding, these objectives
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would mean approximately $140 million in gross sales per year.

T & G2's (OTC BB:TTGG) 

  

 SYMBOL: 

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 CURRENT PRICE:

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 ANALYST PROJECTED
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 Reasons To
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[Matthew X]

http://www.newscientist.com/opinion/opbooks.jsp?id=ns23542
The New Rulers of the World 
John Pilger 
$19/£10 Verso 
ASSUMING US propaganda is accurate, President George W. Bush is intending
to bomb Iraq as part of his war on terrorism. If you want to know just
how big a mistake that would be, read John Pilger's latest tour de
force.
Iraq's 22 million people are already the victims of a 12-year
"medieval blockade" imposed by the US and British governments,
argues the campaigning journalist. The UN Children's Fund says that these
sanctions are the main reason why up to 6000 Iraqi children die every
month.
And the justification put about by US intelligence for an attack on Iraq
is a myth: there is no evidence that it has any weapons of mass
destruction. According to Scott Ritter, a former UN weapons inspector in
Iraq, the threat the country poses is "zero".
Pilger also condemns the US bombing of Afghanistan, which one study said
killed 3800 civilians between 7 October and 10 December last year. The
overthrow of the Taliban regime has brought only minimal change, he says.
The amount of time that corpses are hung out in public, for example, has
reduced from four days to 15 minutes.
As well as essays on Iraq and Afghanistan, The New Rulers of the
World includes writing based on Pilger's TV documentaries about
corporate power carving up Indonesia and the apartheid suffered by
Aborigines in Australia. They are all empirical, angry and
well-referenced; they illustrate his essential argument that the imperial
power wielded by rich states and multinational corporations, led by the
US, is far more destructive than any terrorist organisation.
The terrible irony is that the US bombing of Afghanistan, and the
proposed bombing of Iraq, create and reinforce the very conditions which
breed extremism. In the aftermath of 11 September, Pilger points out, the
point was powerfully made by Robin Theurkauf, a lecturer in international
law at Yale University.
"Terrorist impulses ferment in poverty, oppression and
ignorance," she wrote. "The elimination of these conditions and
the active promotion of a universal respect for human rights must become
a priority." Her husband, Tom, had been killed in the attack on the
Twin Towers.

2 new books on networks,'linked' and "nexus'

[Matthew X]

27 july new scientist dead tree may be worth a squiz in the newsagents...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0738206679/qid=1028202873/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/104-5344414-8414345
Reviews of 2 books 'Linked' and 'Nexus'
Popular science,I personally want to identify and target significant nodes.

13 years later New Scientist is living down 'cold fusion'...,just.

Linked

[Matthew X]

Missed this link!
http://www.newscientist.com/opinion/opbooks.jsp?id=ns23539
Linked 
Albert-Laszlo Barabasi 
$26 Perseus 
Nexus (Small World in Britain) 
Mark Buchanan 
$25.95/£18.99 W. W. Norton/Weidenfeld & Nicolson 
America's baseball superstar Yogi Berra has a sideline as a
man-in-the-street philosopher. His epigram, "It's déjà vu all over
again", sprang to mind while I was reading Linked and
Nexus. Albert-Laszlo Barabasi and Mark Buchanan deal with the
emerging science of networks - how they form, how information and matter
move through them, how puzzling aspects of everyday life can be explained
by understanding their dynamics.
What's the message, then? Simply that all networks - -the Internet,
terrorist groups, multinational industries, interstate highways,
Amazonian ecosystems - follow the same simple and powerful rules. The
"science of networks" has sprung up to uncover these rules, and
provide a firm foundation for the care and feeding of these
interconnected patterns.
Curious as to how Google came to be the most popular search engine on the
Internet or what it would take to dismantle the Al Qaida terrorist
network? The Barabasi volume will tell you. But if you want to understand
the spread of infectious disease, how riots form or why the rich always
seem to get richer, then Buchanan's treatment is for you.
The mathematician Paul Erdös published over 1500 papers with 507
co-authors before his death in 1996. This prodigious output gave rise to
something mathematicians call the "Erdös number," an integer
representing the number of steps between Erdös and any given
mathematician. Erdös obviously has Erdös number 0. Anyone who wrote a
paper with him has number 1. Anyone who co-authored a paper with one of
Erdös's co-authors has number 2, and so on. A low Erdös number is a
matter of considerable pride among mathematicians, so important in fact
that there is a Web page devoted to keeping track of the Erdös number of
thousands of mathematicians. 
What is quite astonishing is that almost everyone - even a
non-mathematicians like Bill Gates - has a very low Erdös number,
typically between 2 and 5. This is a quintessential example of what
Barabasi and Buchanan call the "small worlds" phenomenon.
Basically, this web of science is a small world because it is a highly
interconnected web, in which almost all mathematicians are closely linked
to each other via a short path of co-authored papers.
The network of mathematicians and their Erdös numbers serves as a
prototype for just about every human social network - including the
Internet, as both Barabasi and Buchanan show. Suppose you look at a
particular Web page and ask how many clicks of your mouse it takes to get
from this page to any other page via hyperlinks. Barabasi and his
students actually did this calculation for their website at the
University of Notre Dame. It contained 325,729 documents connected by
1,469,680 links. Counting up how many pages had one link, two links, and
so on, they discovered that the number of pages having a certain number
of links decreased by about a factor of five each time the number of
links was doubled.
These results lead to a simple relationship between the number of links
in a network and the number of nodes in the network having that many
links. Called a "power law", this relationship forms a central
principle by which networks structure themselves. As both authors point
out, power laws play as important a role in understanding networks as the
famed bell curve of the normal probability distribution plays in
understanding the role in statistics of independent random variables,
such as a person's height.
Two other extremely important rules of networks are also considered in
some detail in each of these books. One of these is the "weak
link" discovered some 30 years ago by sociologist Mark Granovetter.
It refers to the seemingly paradoxical fact that the most important
connections for spreading information throughout a network are not the
people who are most closely connected to you. Rather, the key
"connectors" are those who form a bridge between the cluster of
people you know and other, similar clusters of close acquaintances of
your friends. Thus, the links in a social network are not established at
random. Instead,they are strongly clustered, and some of the connections
are more important than others - that is, the ones enabling one cluster
to link to another.
These "busy bees" with an uncommonly large number of links to
many clusters are the people writer Malcolm Gladwell claims are
responsible for creating fashions and trends. They make deals happen and
generally serve as agents or middlemen who "tip" things in one
direction instead of another. The central idea of his book The Tipping
Point (reviewed by Paul Marsden, 6 May, page 46) is that tiny and
apparently insignificant changes can often have consequences out of all
proportion to themselves, accounting for the transformation of unknown
books into bestsellers or t

Re: Pizza with a credit card

[Ken Brown]

Michael Motyka wrote:

> Quite clearly cash has got to go! I'm not sure how tough this would be
> to sneak past the slumbering electorate. Pretty tough I expect. But the
> usage level is certainly going down while the percentage of electronic
> transactions is skyrocketing. We've even had concresscritters suggesting
> that the transport of $10K !interstate! should be illegal.

You want to spend ten thou on pizza?  Bloody hell, that's  excessive.
Any company selling you that much would lay themselves wide open to 
being sued because they got you addicted to fatty pizza and made you
/obese/.  They could be liable for millions! No respectable company
could possibly allow that to happen. There should be a law against it!
Our legislators must act to defend vulnerable corporations against
predatory customers like you who spend too much money!

Ken (who has to choose among the 10 or so local Pizza delivery companies
in his part of London on the basis of which postcode database they use,
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[Matthew X]

JUDICIAL PSYCHIATRY IN CHINA AND ITS POLITICAL
ABUSES
Robin
Munro
During the 1970s and 1980s, reports
that the security authorities in the Soviet Union were incarcerating
substantial numbers of dissidents in mental asylums aroused widespread
concern in the West. As the quantity and reliability of the documentary
evidence and victim testimonies steadily increased, the issue of
politically directed psychiatry in the Soviet Union quickly became, along
with political imprisonment and the refusal of the authorities to allow
Soviet Jews to emigrate, a third principal item of human rights
contention in Soviet-Western relations. By January 1983, a protracted
campaign by Western psychiatric professional bodies and international
human rights organizations led to a decision by the Soviet All-Union
Society of Psychiatrists and Neuropathologists to withdraw from the World
Psychiatric Association in order to avoid almost certain expulsion. It
was not readmitted to the body until 1989, after several years of
perestroika and the preliminary establishment of direct access by Western
psychiatric delegations to Soviet forensic-psychiatric institutions and
their alleged mentally ill political inmates. 

The subject of forensic psychiatry in China has thus far received little
academic attention outside of China. A number of very detailed and
informative studies of China's general psychiatric and mental healthcare
system have been written, but these have rarely addressed the legal or
forensic dimension of the topic in significant depth. In particular, very
little documentary or other evidence has hitherto come to light
suggesting that abusive practices similar to those that occurred in the
former Soviet Union might also have existed, or might even still be
found, in China. The general assumption has therefore been that the
Chinese authorities, despite their poor record in many other areas of
human rights concern, have at least never engaged in the political misuse
of psychiatry. This article seeks to challenge and correct that
assumption. 
 From the early 1990s onwards, scattered reports from China began to
indicate that individual dissidents and other political nonconformists
were being subjected to forensic psychiatric appraisal by the police and
then committed to special psychiatric hospitals on an involuntary and
indefinite basis. One prominent example was that of Wang Wanxing, a
middle-aged worker who had first been arrested in the mid-1970s for
supporting the then officially denounced policies of Deng Xiaoping.
Partially rehabilitated after the death of Mao, Wang resumed his
political-activist career in the 1980s and became personally acquainted
with the student leaders of the spring 1989 pro-democracy movement in
Beijing. In June 1992, he unfurled a banner in Tiananmen Square calling
for greater human rights and democracy in China, was immediately
arrested, and then sent to an institution for the criminally insane in
the outskirts of the capital, where he remained - diagnosed by police
psychiatrists as a "paranoid psychotic" - until early 1999. In
November of that year, after he announced his intention to hold a press
conference with foreign journalists to discuss his ordeal, he was again
detained and sent back to the same psychiatric detention facility for an
indeterminate period. Wang's case and others like it have been the
subject of several statements of concern to the Chinese authorities by
relevant bodies of the United Nations. 
Another recent example is that of Xue Jifeng, an unofficial labor-rights
activist who in December 1999 was detained by police in Zhengzhou, the
capital of Henan Province, for attempting to hold a meeting with other
labor activists and independent trades-unionists. He was then committed
involuntarily to the Xinxiang Municipal Mental Hospital, where he
remained as of December 2000. Xue was reportedly being force-fed
psychiatric drugs and held in a room with mental patients who kept him
awake at night and harassed him by day. Moreover, this was his second
forced term in a mental hospital for "illegal" labor
activities. The first came in November 1998, after he tried to pursue
legal action against local Party officials who he alleged had swindled,
through a bogus commercial fundraising scheme, thousands of his fellow
residents of their life savings. On that occasion, more than 2,000 people
staged a public demonstration in Zhengzhou demanding their money back and
calling for Xue's release. 
Finally, in July 1999, the Chinese government launched a major and
continuing campaign of repression against the Falun Gong spiritual
movement, a neotraditional sectarian group, several months after the
group staged a massive peaceful demonstration outside the Zhongnanhai
headquarters of the Chinese leadership. Over the past year or so,
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[Matthew X]

Software giant SAP said Wednesday that it scored one of its biggest
sales in three years, inking a deal with Ford Motor. 
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[Jack Lloyd]

On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, A.Melon wrote:

> and on the left hand side of the page it says:
>
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>
> If they are concerned about security, Shouldn't they be avoiding
> javascript?

Shapiro has a strange love for Javascript. I don't know what that has to do
with OpenCM either way, though... In any case, if you were running EROS you
wouldn't have to worry about Javascript causing you problems. :P
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Mandatory hardware

[Major Variola (ret)]

TV makers may face mandate on digital receivers
Wed Jul 31, 9:17 AM ET

In an effort to jump-start the languid rollout of digital TV, federal
regulators
next week are expected to require all new TV sets to include digital
receivers by 2006, say people familiar with the matter.

TV makers say the mandate would boost the price
of a TV by about $200, dampening sales.
Broadcasters, who have pushed for such a rule,
dispute the figure.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=711&ncid=738&e=8&u=/usatoday/20020731/tc_usatoday/4320647

Lets see... they think they can require crap in TVs, in teleco
equiptment... anyone still doubt they will try a power
grab on the motherboard?

Re: Mandatory hardware

[Steve Schear]

At 11:52 AM 8/1/2002 -0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
>TV makers may face mandate on digital receivers
>Wed Jul 31, 9:17 AM ET
>
>In an effort to jump-start the languid rollout of digital TV, federal
>regulators
>next week are expected to require all new TV sets to include digital
>receivers by 2006, say people familiar with the matter.
>
>TV makers say the mandate would boost the price
>of a TV by about $200, dampening sales.
>Broadcasters, who have pushed for such a rule,
>dispute the figure.
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=711&ncid=738&e=8&u=/usatoday/20020731/tc_usatoday/4320647
>
>Lets see... they think they can require crap in TVs, in teleco
>equiptment... anyone still doubt they will try a power
>grab on the motherboard?

I think a key difference here is that many, perhaps millions, of consumers 
are comfortable with assembling their own PCs from components and tweaking 
SW.  How many consumers assemble their own TV sets?  Volume black markets 
in underground motherboards and cracking SW may create a viable 
resistance.  Also, the market for new wizbang PCs may be quickly drying up 
cutting off

===

Intel Bets Farm on Moore's Law
By Tom Murphy -- Electronic News, 7/26/2002



Intel Corp. will supply 3GHz Pentium 4 processors in time for the holiday 
season, accelerating the company's previously announced timetable by nearly 
a quarter.
Despite trends that show consumers increasingly hunting for value-priced 
systems with lower-performance processors, Intel is more determined than 
ever to stay on the Moore's Law growth curve of doubling process speeds 
every 18 to 24 months.

\Even Gordon Moore, creator of the industry-defining Moore's Law, believes 
the trend line for adopting faster semiconductors is showing signs of 
flattening. In spite of that, Intel keeps tweaking the efficiencies of its 
manufacturing processes, churning out higher-speed machines and introducing 
eye-opening technology improvements such as HyperThreading and 300mm wafer 
manufacturing.

But Intel's agenda may run deeper than rapid adoption of the new chips. A 
3GHz machine would give Intel a substantial lead on rival Advanced Micro 
Devices Inc. (AMD). And with each new speed grade Intel introduces, it is 
able to increase the pressure on AMD by dropping the price on 
lower-performing parts.

Freedom of association denied in Ventura Cty

[Major Variola (ret)]

(Note that this *is* political as the Fairgrounds are State property)


Dress Code Keeps 9 Hells Angels Out of Fair in Ventura
Security: The new policy is enforced after biker club members refuse to
remove vests marked with group's insignia. Their leader says he will
sue.

 By TRACY WILSON and HOLLY J.
 WOLCOTT, TIMES STAFF WRITERS

 Nine Hells Angels were denied entry to the
 Ventura County Fair on Wednesday evening after
 refusing to remove black leather vests
 emblazoned with the trademark winged skull of
 their motorcycle club.

 Stopped at a side entrance, the bikers were told
 by a security guard their clothing violated a fair
 policy that bans gang attire.

 The guard told George Christie Jr., president of
 the Ventura Hells Angels chapter, and his
 associates that they would have to remove any
 clothing bearing the name of their group to enter
 the fairgrounds.

 "I want to exercise my rights as a United States
 citizen," Christie responded. Holding up two
 tickets, for himself and the 9 1/2-year-old
 daughter of his fiancee, Christie asked, "You will
 not accept these tickets?"

 Security guard Mike Priester then handed
 Christie a copy of the fair's dress code policy and

 again told him he could not come through the gate
 unless he removed the clothing bearing the Angels
 insignia.

 As he walked away from the fairgrounds, Christie
called the policy
 unconstitutional and said he will file a lawsuit
challenging it.

 "I take offense," he said. "We are not a street
gang, we are a motorcycle
 club We are going to seek legal action."

 Ventura attorney Kay Duffy, who had walked with the
Hells Angels and a
 few of their family members from the group's nearby
clubhouse to the
 fairgrounds, said she had hoped fair organizers
would back down from the
 policy and allow the Angels inside.

 "The next step is the court system," she said.

 Fair spokesman Devlin Raley said organizers had no
choice but to turn
 Christie and the others away.

 The dress policy aims to create a safe atmosphere
for families to enjoy the
 fair, said Raley, adding that it will be enforced
during the 12-day fair that
 began Wednesday.

 "They chose not to comply with the dress code. It
was a challenge of the
 policy and the policy was enforced," Raley said,
adding that the conversation
 with the Angels at the gate was peaceful.

 Concerned about gang violence, the fair board
recently approved a tighter
 policy on gang attire. The policy specifically
prohibits anyone wearing
 clothing, visible tattoos or other articles bearing
the name or insignia of a
 criminal street gang from entering the fairgrounds.

 It does not ban the wearing of specific colors or
sports team logos unless
 clothing has been altered to symbolize a gang.

 "This doesn't prevent anyone from coming to the
fair," Ventura Police Lt.
 Ken Corney said this week. "You just can't be
wearing gang attire."

 The policy identifies 27 local groups as criminal
street gangs--including the
 Hells Angels and rival Mongols motorcycle clubs.

 Christie and lawyers representing the Hells Angels
contend there is no
 evidence the club meets the legal definition of a
criminal street gang.

 But police say recent convictions stemming from a
massive
 drug-and-racketeering case involving the Hells
Angels prompted law
 enforcement officials to deem the organization a
criminal street gang.

 Corney said revisions to the fair's decade-old
dress code were prompted by
 a recent appellate court decision in which justices
in Northern California
 found a similar dress code unconstitutional. The
ruling stemmed from a
 lawsuit filed by a Hells Angels member who was
denied entry to the Sonoma
 County Fair after refusing to remove a vest
emblazoned with the club name.
  

Re: Mandatory hardware

[Michael Motyka]

"Major Variola \(ret\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
> TV makers may face mandate on digital receivers
> Wed Jul 31, 9:17 AM ET
>
> In an effort to jump-start the languid rollout of digital TV, federal
> regulators
> next week are expected to require all new TV sets to include digital
> receivers by 2006, say people familiar with the matter.
> 
> TV makers say the mandate would boost the price
> of a TV by about $200, dampening sales.
> Broadcasters, who have pushed for such a rule,
> dispute the figure.
> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=711&ncid=738&e=8&u=/usatoday/2002> 
>0731/tc_usatoday/4320647
> 
> Lets see... they think they can require crap in TVs, in teleco
> equiptment... anyone still doubt they will try a power
> grab on the motherboard?
>
I have no doubt that they will try to screw the motherboard ( they are,
after all, motherfuckers ) but I suspect it will turn out to be more
difficult than they think to completely eradicate noncompliant devices.
That is unless the new protocols that the administration wants require
hw id fields and  authentication before packets can be carried. Now that
I think about it it could easily be like getting service to a cell phone
only more so.

Interestingly, wireless equipment could be used to make networks that
are not part of the controlled net. Then of course those can be
outlawed. It looks pretty grim.

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RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

[Trei, Peter]

I'm going to respond to AARGH!, our new Sternlight, by asking two questions.

1. Why can't I control what signing keys the Fritz chip trusts? 

If the point of TCPA is make it so *I* can trust that *my* computer 
to run the software *I* have approved, and refuse to run something 
which a virus or Trojan has modifed (and this, btw, is the stated 
intention of TCPA), then why the hell don't I have full control over 
the keys? If I did, the thing might actually work to my benefit.

The beneficiary of TCPA when I don't have ultimate root control is
not I. It is someone else. That is not an acceptable situation.

2. It's really curious that Mr. AARGH! has shown up simultaneously
on the lists and on sci.crypt, with the single brief of supporting TCPA.

While I totally support his or her right to post anonymously, I can only
speculate that anonymity is being used to disguise some vested 
interest in supporting TCPA. In other words, I infer that Mr. AARGH!
is a TCPA insider, who is embarassed to reveal himself in public.

So my question is: What is your reason for shielding your identity?
You do so at the cost of people assuming the worst about your
motives.

Peter Trei

 PS: Speculating about the most tyrannical uses to which 
a technology can be put has generally proved a winning 
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Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

[James A. Donald]

--
On 31 Jul 2002 at 23:45, AARG! Anonymous wrote:
> So TCPA and Palladium "could" restrict which software you could 
> run. They aren't designed to do so, but the design could be 
> changed and restrictions added.

Their design, and the institutions and software to be designed 
around them, is disturbingly similar to what would be needed to 
restrict what software we could run.  TCPA institutions and 
infrastructure are much the same as SSSCA institutions and 
infrastructure.

According to Microsoft, the end user can turn the palladium 
hardware off, and the computer will still boot.  As long as that 
is true, it is an end user option and no one can object.

But this is not what the content providers want.  They want that 
if you disable the Fritz chip, the computer does not boot.  What 
they want is that it shall be illegal to sell a computer capable 
of booting if the Fritz chip is disabled.

If I have to give superroot powers to Joe in order to run Joe's 
software or play Joe's content, fair enough.  But the hardware and 
institutions to implement this are disturbingly similar to the 
hardware and institutions needed to implement the rule that I have 
to give superroot powers to Joe in order to play Peter's software 
or content.. 

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Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

[Eric Murray]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 11:45:35PM -0700, AARG! Anonymous wrote:
> Peter Trei writes:
> > AARG!, our anonymous Pangloss, is strictly correct - Wagner should have
> > said "could" rather than "would".
> 
> So TCPA and Palladium "could" restrict which software you could run.

TCPA (when it isn't turned off) WILL restrict the software that you
can run.  Software that has an invalid or missing signature won't be
able to access "sensitive data"[1].   Meaning that unapproved software
won't work.  Ok, technically it will run but can't access the data,
but that it a very fine hair to split, and depending on the nature of
the data that it can't access, it may not be able to run in truth.

If TCPA allows all software to run, it defeats its purpose.
Therefore Wagner's statement is logically correct.


Yes, the spec says that it can be turned off.  At that point you
can run anything that doesn't need any of the protected data or
other TCPA services.   But, why would a software vendor that wants
the protection that TCPA provides allow his software to run
without TCPA as well, abandoning those protections?
I doubt many would do so, the majority of TCPA-enabled
software will be TCPA-only.  Perhaps not at first, but eventually
when there are enough TCPA machines out there.  More likely, spiffy
new content and features will be enabled if one has TCPA and is
properly authenticated, disabled otherwise.  But as we have seen
time after time, today's spiffy new content is tomorrows
virtual standard.

This will require the majority of people to run with TCPA turned on
if they want the content.  TCPA doesn't need to be required by law,
the market will require it.  At some point, running without TCPA
will be as difficult as avoiding MS software in an otherwise all-MS
office theoretically possible, but difficult in practice.

"TCPA could be required" by the government or MS or  is, I agree, a red herring.  It is not outside
the realm of possibility, in fact I'd bet that someone at MS has
seriously thought through the implications.  But to my mind
the "requirement by defacto standard" scenerio I outline above
is much more likely, in fact it is certain to happen if TCPA
gets in more than say 50% of computers.

I worked for a short while on a very early version of TCPA with Geoff
Strongin from AMD.  We were both concerned that TCPA not be able to
be used to restrict user's freedom, and at the time I thought that
"you can always turn it off" was good enough.  Now I'm not so sure.
If someday all the stuff that you do with your computer touches data that can
only be operated on by TCPA-enabled software, what are you going to do?

BTW, what's your credentials?  You seem familiar with the TCPA spec, which
is no mean feat considering that it seems to have been written to
make it as difficult to understand as possible (or perhaps someone
hired an out-of-work ISO standards writer).  I think that Peter's
guess is spot on.  Of course having you participate as a nym
is much preferable to not having you participate at all, so don't
feel as though you have to out yourself or stop posting.


[1] TCPAmain_20v1_1a.pdf, section 2.2


Eric

thoughtcrime, art, mandatory youth education camps, AP, kirkland

[Major Variola (ret)]

Court rules student's artwork not a threat to police

 Published 9:35 a.m. PDT Thursday, August 1, 2002

 CHICO, Calif. (AP) - A Pleasant Valley High School student's art
class painting that
 showed him shooting a police officer who had cited him for
possessing marijuana did
 not constitute a criminal threat, a state appeals court has ruled.

 The youth, identified in court papers only as Ryan D., never showed
his painting to
 Chico Police Sgt. Lori MacPhail, the state Court of Appeals in
Sacramento said
 Tuesday. The court said that paintings are ambiguous as a statement
of intent and that
 the artwork didn't amount to a threat.

 The painting showed the boy "shooting the officer in the back of
the head, blowing
 away pieces of her flesh and face," the court noted.

 "Without question, it was intemperate and demonstrated extremely
poor judgment,"
 presiding Justice Arthur Scotland wrote in his opinion. He added
that "it does not
 appear to be anything other than pictorial ranting."

 The appeals court dismissed a finding by Butte County Superior
Court Judge Ann
 Rutherford that the teenager had made a terrorist threat against
MacPhail but let the
 marijuana violation stand.

 MacPhail said Wednesday she was disappointed by the ruling.

 "It's unfortunate that that could be the interpretation," she said.
"It was clear and
 straightforward to me it was more than just a painting."

 MacPhail cited the teenager on Dec. 8, 1999, for possessing
marijuana while off the
 high school campus during school hours. A month later, Ryan D.,
then 15, turned in a
 painting for his art class that showed a boy shooting a female
police officer in the head.

 The artwork also included the letters "CPD," for Chico Police
Department, and "67,"
 MacPhail's badge number.

 The art instructor found the painting "disturbing" and "scary" and
showed it to school
 administrators, who then showed it to MacPhail.

 The appeals court said there was no evidence the teenager ever
intended to show the
 officer his artwork, Scotland noted.

http://www.sacbee.com/state_wire/story/3804909p-4830234c.html

Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

[Eric Murray]

On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 02:33:43PM -0700, James A. Donald wrote:

> According to Microsoft, the end user can turn the palladium 
> hardware off, and the computer will still boot.  As long as that 
> is true, it is an end user option and no one can object.
> 
> But this is not what the content providers want.  They want that 
> if you disable the Fritz chip, the computer does not boot.  What 
> they want is that it shall be illegal to sell a computer capable 
> of booting if the Fritz chip is disabled.

Nope.  They care that the Fritz chip is enabled whenever
their content is played.  There's no need to make it a legal
requirement if the market makes it a practical requirement.
The Linux folks just won't be able to watch the latest
Maria Lopez or Jennifer Carey DVDs.  But who cares about a few
geeks?  Only weirdos install alternative OSs anyhow, they can be
ignored.  Most of them will probably have second systems
with the Fritz chip enabled anyhow.

Eric

Re: Freedom of association denied in Ventura Cty

[R. A. Hettinga]

At 12:46 PM -0700 on 8/1/02, Major Variola (ret) wrote:


> Dress Code Keeps 9 Hells Angels Out of Fair in Ventura
> Security: The new policy is enforced after biker club members refuse to
> remove vests marked with group's insignia. Their leader says he will
> sue.

What ever happened to "One on all, all on one?"

Cheers,
RAH

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Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

[David Wagner]

James A. Donald wrote:
>According to Microsoft, the end user can turn the palladium 
>hardware off, and the computer will still boot.  As long as that 
>is true, it is an end user option and no one can object.

Your point is taken.  That said, even if you could turn off TCPA &
Palladium and run some outdated version of Windows, whether users
would object is not entirely obvious.  For instance, suppose that,
thanks to TCPA/Palladium, Microsoft could design Office 2005 so that it
is impossible for StarOffice and other clones to read files created in
Office 2005.  Would some users object?  I don't know.  For many users,
being unable to read documents created in a recent version of Office
is simply not an option.  However, in any case we should consider in
advance the possible implications of this technology.

Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

[Jon Callas]

On 8/1/02 1:14 PM, "Trei, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So my question is: What is your reason for shielding your identity?
> You do so at the cost of people assuming the worst about your
> motives.

Is this a tacit way to suggest that the only people who need anonymity or
pseudonymity are those with something to hide?

Jon

RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

[AARG! Anonymous]

Sampo Syreeni writes:

> On 2002-08-01, AARG!Anonymous uttered to [EMAIL PROTECTED],...:
>
> >It does this by taking hashes of the software before transferring
> >control to it, and storing those hashes in its internal secure
> >registers.
>
> So, is there some sort of guarantee that the transfer of control won't be
> stopped by a check against cryptographic signature within the executable
> itself, in the future? That sort of thing would be trivial to enforce via
> licencing terms, after all, and would allow for the introduction of a
> strictly limited set of operating systems to which control would be
> transferred.

TCPA apparently does not have "licensing terms" per se.  They say,
in their FAQ, http://www.trustedcomputing.org/docs/Website_TCPA%20FAQ_0703021.pdf,
"The TCPA spec is currently set up as a 'just publish' IP model."
So there are no licensing terms to enforce, and no guarantees that
people won't do bad things outside the scope of the spec.  Of course,
you realize that the same thing is true with PCs today, right?  There are
few guarantees in this life.

If you think about it, TCPA doesn't actually facilitate the kind of
crypto-signature-checking you are talking about.  You don't need all
this fancy hardware and secure hashes to do that.  Your worrisome
signature checking would be applied on the software which *hasn't
yet been loaded*, right?  All the TCPA hardware will give you is a
secure hash on the software which has already loaded before you ran.
That doesn't help you; in fact your code can pretty well predict the
value of this, given that it is running.  Think about this carefully,
it is a complicated point but you can get it if you take your time.

In short, to implement a system where only signed code can run, TCPA is
not necessary and not particularly helpful.


> I'm having a lot of trouble seeing the benefit in TCPA
> without such extra measures, given that open source software would likely
> evolve which circumvented any protection offered by the more open ended
> architecture you now describe.

I don't follow what you are getting at with the open source.  Realize that
when you boot a different OS, the TCPA attestation features will allow
third parties to detect this.  So your open source OS cannot masquerade
as a different one and fool a third party server into downloading data
to your software.  And likewise, data which was sealed (encrypted)
under a secure OS cannot be unsealed once a different OS boots, because
the sealing/unsealing is all done on-chip, and the chip uses the secure
hash registers to check if the unsealing is allowed.


> >Then, when the data is decrypted and "unsealed", the hash is compared to
> >that which is in the TPM registers now.  This can make it so that data
> >which is encrypted when software system X boots can only be decrypted
> >when that same software boots.
>
> Again, such values would be RE'd and reported by any sane open source OS
> to the circuitry, giving access to whatever data there is. If this is
> prevented, one can bootstrap an absolutely secure platform where whatever
> the content provider says is the Law, including a one where every piece of
> runnable OS software actually enforces the kind of control over
> permissible signatures Peter is so worried about. Where's the guarantee
> that this won't happen, one day?

Not sure I follow this here... the sealed data cannot be reported by an
open source OS because the secret keys never leave the chip without being
themselves encrypted.  As for your second proposal, you are suggesting
that you could write an OS which would only run signed applications?
And run it on a TCPA platform?  Sure, I guess you could.  But you wouldn't
need TCPA features to do it.  See the comments above: any OS today could
be modified to only run apps that were signed with some special key.
You shouldn't blame TCPA for this.


> >In answer to your question, then, for most purposes, there is no signing
> >key that your TPM chip trusts, so the issue is moot.
>
> At the hardware level, yes.

TCPA is a hardware spec.  Peter was asking about TCPA, and I gave him the
answer.  You can hypothesize all the facist software you want, but you
shouldn't blame these fantasies on TCPA.

> At the software one, it probably won't be,
> even in the presence of the above considerations. After you install your
> next Windows version, you will be tightly locked in with whatever M$
> throws at you in their DLL's,

Doesn't Microsoft already sign their system DLLs in NT?

> and as I pointed out, there's absolutely no
> guarantee Linux et al. might well be shut out by extra features, in the
> future. In the end what we get is an architecture, which may not embody
> Peter's concerns right now, but which is built from the ground up to bring
> them into being, later.

Again, you are being entirely hypothetical here.  Please describe exactly
how either attestation or secure storage would assist in creating a boot
loader that would refuse to run Li

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[Wall, Kevin]

First off, let me say that in general, I am against almost everything that
the DCMA stands for and am no fan of DRM either. But I do think that
we will lose credibility if we can't substantiate our claims, and part
of that means recognizing and acknowledging what appears to be legitimate
claims from the TCPA side.

Having said that, let me plunge right in and proceed to mark a complete
fool of myself. Besides, so what if another hundred spambots harvest
my e-mail address for breast enlargement ads (stupid spambots--think
they could at least use my name to determine my sex and send me the
herbal Viagra ads instead. ;-)

Note that I'm interpreting Jay's reiterated question of
"Claimed advantage to me here?" in the more general sense of
advantage to anyone rather than to Jay personally. Not knowing
him, the latter would be a rather difficult assessment to make.

So, on with it already. Open mouth, insert foot... (yumm..
filet of sole)...

Jay Sulzberger writes...

> On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, AARG!Anonymous wrote:
> 
> > Eric Murray writes:
> > > TCPA (when it isn't turned off) WILL restrict the software that you
> > > can run.  Software that has an invalid or missing signature won't be
> > > able to access "sensitive data"[1].   Meaning that unapproved software
> > > won't work.
> > >
> > > [1] TCPAmain_20v1_1a.pdf, section 2.2
> >
> > We need to look at the text of this in more detail.  This is from
> > version 1.1b of the spec:
> >
> > : This section introduces the architectural aspects of a Trusted
> > : Platform that enable the collection and reporting of integrity
> > : metrics.
> > :
> > : Among other things, a Trusted Platform enables an entity to
> > : determine the state of the software environment in that platform
> > : and to SEAL data to a particular software environment in that
> > : platform.
> 
> 
> Claimed advantage to me here?

If you produce copyrighted materials that you don't want others to
illegal copy, it can protect your assets. Might also be useful in
protecting state secrets, but general crypto is sufficient for
that. (Don't need it at the hardware level unless you are worried
that some TLA gov't agency is out to get you.)

The advantage depends on one whether is a producer of goods, or merely
a consumer. I shall not make a judgement call as to which is more
important. Suffice it to say that both need each other.

[more from TCPA spec]
> > :
> > : The entity deduces whether the state of the computing environment in
> > : that platform is acceptable and performs some transaction with that
> > : platform. If that transaction involves sensitive data that must be
> > : stored on the platform, the entity can ensure that that data is held
> > : in a confidential format unless the state of the computing environment
> > : in that platform is acceptable to the entity.
> 
> Claimed advantage to me here?

One could use this to detect virus infected systems, systems infected
with root kits, etc., could they not? Also, ones alluded to above
come to mind.

> > :
> > : To enable this, a Trusted Platform provides information to enable
> > : the entity to deduce the software environment in a Trusted Platform.
> > : That information is reliably measured and reported to the entity.
> > : At the same time, a Trusted Platform provides a means to encrypt
> > : cryptographic keys and to state the software environment that must
> > : be in place before the keys can be decrypted.
> >
> > What this means is that a remote system can query the local TPM and
> > find out what software has been loaded, in order to decide whether to
> > send it some data.  It's not that unapproved software "won't work",
> > it's that the remote guy can decide whether to trust it.
> 
> Claimed advantage to me here?

Well, here's one place that I can see a potential value to consumers.
I've thought a lot about how one can secure peer-to-peer (P2P) systems.

Sure, if I want to allow my box be a P2P host, I can use a sandboxing
technique to control and restrict (at least in theory) what rights I
give other programs to run. [I'm think of a sense similar to the Java
sandbox used for running applets.]

However, the more interesting, and I believe more challenging piece is
what guarentees can you give *ME* as a user of P2P services if I design
some important code that I wish to utilize some generic P2P service.
Unless I want to pay specific services for a P2P or grid computing from
some company that I might happen to trust, be it IBM, HP, or whomever,
I'll probably use some (future?) P2P services that are open sourced freeware
that typical home users might host out of the generosity of their hearts
(whereby they allow others to use some of their spare cycles). While this
is all well and good, my level of trust would likely not be at the same
level it would be if I paid a company to use their services. The feeling
being if I buy a service from a reputable company and they intentionally
do something malicious such as steal private dat

RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

[Wall, Kevin]

Mr AARG! writes...

> Eric Murray writes:
> > Yes, the spec says that it can be turned off.  At that point you
> > can run anything that doesn't need any of the protected data or
> > other TCPA services.   But, why would a software vendor that wants
> > the protection that TCPA provides allow his software to run
> > without TCPA as well, abandoning those protections?
> 
> That's true; in fact if you ran it earlier under TCPA and sealed some
> data, you will have to run under TCPA to unseal it later.  The question
> is whether the advantages of running under TCPA (potentially greater
> security) outweigh the disadvantages (greater potential for loss of
> data, less flexibility, etc.).

and in another reply to Peter Trei, Mr. AARG! also writes...

> Now, there is an optional function which does use the manufacturer's key, 
> but it is intended only to be used rarely.  That is for when you need to 
> transfer your sealed data from one machine to another (either because you 
> have bought a new machine, or because your old one crashed).  In this 
> case you go through a complicated procedure that includes encrypting 
> some data to the TPME key (the TPM manufacturer's key) and sending it 
> to the manufacturer, who massages the data such that it can be loaded 
> into the new machine's TPM chip. 
> 
> So this function does require pre-loading a manufacturer key into the 
> TPM, but first, it is optional, and second, it frankly appears to be so 
> cumbersome that it is questionable whether manufacturers will want to 
> get involved with it.  OTOH it is apparently the only way to recover 
> if your system crashes.  This may indicate that TCPA is not feasible, 
> because there is too much risk of losing locked data on a machine crash, 
> and the recovery procedure is too cumbersome.  That would be a valid 
> basis on which to criticize TCPA, but it doesn't change the fact that 
> many of the other claims which have been made about it are not correct. 

Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure you all will :), but wouldn't you also
have to possibly go through this exercise with the TPME key and sending
your system to the manufacturer when you wanted to, say, upgrade your
operating system or switch to a completely different OS? That will go
over like a lead balloon. (Gee... must be getting late. I almost wrote
"like a bag of dirt". Duh! Can't even remember cliches at my age.)

-kevin wall
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Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA

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Jon Callas wrote:
> On 8/1/02 1:14 PM, "Trei, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
>>So my question is: What is your reason for shielding your identity?
>>You do so at the cost of people assuming the worst about your
>>motives.
> 
> 
> Is this a tacit way to suggest that the only people who need anonymity or
> pseudonymity are those with something to hide?
> 
.

Anonymity is generally considered a a requirement for the political
process in the United States to protect the right to express political
speech without regard to being harrassed by those in power.  There
have been several federal court decisions in the last few years that
have struck down laws limiting anonymity for political speech.  One
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Would a law requiring such technical measures for controlling access
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re:which is worse:

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Let me ask you this...which is worse:
 
A.  The engine on your Lexus freezes up at 160,000 miles instead of 300,000.  You take a financial hit and you are forced to buy a Camry this time.
 
B.  You start bleeding during bowel movements.  You go to the doctor and get poked, prodded, X-ray'd, biopsied, etc.  3 days later you get a call for a consultation.  The doctor informs you that you have advanced colon cancer at 45 years old.  You have anywhere from 6 months to 5 years left to live.  He tells you it's time to get your house in order because you'll be checking out soon. Chemotherapy starts today.
 
A friend of mine who was a science and health researcher at the University of Chicago, just died this past year of colon cancer at 42.  In the midst of the prime of his life, he said goodbye, and left his wife and child behind, wondering what just hit them.
 
Why do you brush your teeth?  Are your teeth falling out right now? For most of us, we do it so we won't need false teeth and Fixodent down the road...right?  We want to be able to eat apples.  Hey, I agree with that.  Natural teeth are great.
 
But have you ever seen someone who was forced to endure a colonectomy?  Someone who now will be spending the rest of their life carrying a bag around?
 
Incredibly, this is an area where even the staunchest MD's AGREE with us!!  Can you believe it?  If they knew you had the greatest colon cleanse in the world, I bet they might even refer people to you.  NO, I'm not kidding...
 
This subject is not even up for debate.  It's a proven fact.  The problem is, most people are not doing anything about it. Please don't be one of them.
 
 
WARNING*  The next section of this email contains graphic material which may not be suitable for squeamish individuals.
 
Let's talk stools.
 
The stool tells you a lot about your colon health.  If it's dark brown in color, and it sinks, and it stinks, that's not good.  And don't feel bad, that's the way most people are.  What you want to see is light brown color, which means it's full of fresh bile from the liver, very mild odor, and a stool that floats.  We're talking low-density here folks.  The more compaction you have the darker the color and the faster it sinks.  Compaction is not good. Also, moving bowels should be SIMPLE.  If the veins are popping out of your neck and you feel like your doing the bench press, you NEED to cleanse your colon.
 
When you do the cleanse, for the first few daysthings are a little weird. But you know you're cleansed when you see the above good stuff happening, and you are eliminating at least 2-3 times per day.
 
Cleansing your colon is a 30-day process.  Its also very economical at under $50.   You may be very surprised at some of the benefits you will receive besides just losing 1-5 lbs of cr*p from your body and brightening your future health.
 
People have reported more energy, less allergies, clearing of acne, cessation of migraines, and many other results, not to mention restored regularity.   When your body is void of old, poisonous toxins that are constantly being reabsorbed through the colon walls, it can begin to heal again.   And when the colon walls are clean, the good nutrients from your food and supplements can be absorbed again.  You will be thrilled with the results.  
 
At this point you are either nauseated thinking about what is inside your own colon, or you're ready to do something about cleaning it out.  
 
 Want more info? Click here and I'll send it to you, including instructions on how to take it.   It is private, all natural, totally safe, inexpensive, and very effective.   And yes, I have taken it myself.

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