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Good afternoon -

 You get emails every day, offering to show you how to make money.
 Most of these emails are from people who are NOT making any money.
 And they expect you to listen to them?

 Enough.

 If you want to make money with your computer, then you should
 hook up with a group that is actually DOING it. We are making
 a large, continuing income every month. What's more - we will
 show YOU how to do the same thing.

 This business is done completely by internet and email, and you
 can even join for free to check it out first. If you can send 
an email, you can do this. No special "skills" are required.

 How much are we making? Anywhere from $2000 to $9000 per month.
 We are real people, and most of us work at this business part-time.
 But keep in mind, we do WORK at it - I am not going to
 insult your intelligence by saying you can sign up, do no work,
 and rake in the cash. That kind of job does not exist. But if 
you are willing to put in 10-12 hours per week, this might be
 just the thing you are looking for. 

This is not income that is determined by luck, or work that is
 done FOR you - it is all based on your effort. But, as I said,
 there are no special skills required. And this income is RESIDUAL -
 meaning that it continues each month (and it tends to increase
 each month also).

 Interested? I invite you to find out more. You can get in as a
 free member, at no cost, and no obligation to continue if you
 decide it is not for you. We are just looking for people who still
 have that "burning desire" to find an opportunity that will reward
 them incredibly well, if they work at it.

 To grab a FREE ID#, simply reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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2002-12-02 Thread chris1956gocalih750
Good evening -

 You get emails every day, offering to show you how to make money.
 Most of these emails are from people who are NOT making any money.
 And they expect you to listen to them?

 Enough.

 If you want to make money with your computer, then you should
 hook up with a group that is actually DOING it. We are making
 a large, continuing income every month. What's more - we will
 show YOU how to do the same thing.

 This business is done completely by internet and email, and you
 can even join for free to check it out first. If you can send 
an email, you can do this. No special "skills" are required.

 How much are we making? Anywhere from $2000 to $9000 per month.
 We are real people, and most of us work at this business part-time.
 But keep in mind, we do WORK at it - I am not going to
 insult your intelligence by saying you can sign up, do no work,
 and rake in the cash. That kind of job does not exist. But if 
you are willing to put in 10-12 hours per week, this might be
 just the thing you are looking for. 

This is not income that is determined by luck, or work that is
 done FOR you - it is all based on your effort. But, as I said,
 there are no special skills required. And this income is RESIDUAL -
 meaning that it continues each month (and it tends to increase
 each month also).

 Interested? I invite you to find out more. You can get in as a
 free member, at no cost, and no obligation to continue if you
 decide it is not for you. We are just looking for people who still
 have that "burning desire" to find an opportunity that will reward
 them incredibly well, if they work at it.

 To grab a FREE ID#, simply reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 and in the body of the email, write this phrase:

 "Please secure my free membership"

 Be sure to include:
 1. First name
 2. Last name
 3. Email address (if different from above)
 4. By submitting a request for a FREE DHS Club Membership, I agree
 to accept email from the DHS Club for both their consumer and
 business opportunities.

 We will confirm your position and send you a special report
 as soon as possible, and also Your free Member Number.

 That's all there's to it.

 We'll then send you info, and you can make up your own mind.

 Looking forward to hearing from you!

 Sincerely,

 Chris Casiano

P.S. After having several negative experiences with network
 marketing companies I had pretty much given up on them.
 This is different - there is value, integrity, and a 
REAL opportunity to have your own home-based business...
 and finally make real money on the internet.

 Don't pass this up..you can sign up and test-drive the
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 Unsubscribing: Send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
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2002-12-02 Thread chris1956gocalxw412
Hi -

 You get emails every day, offering to show you how to make money.
 Most of these emails are from people who are NOT making any money.
 And they expect you to listen to them?

 Enough.

 If you want to make money with your computer, then you should
 hook up with a group that is actually DOING it. We are making
 a large, continuing income every month. What's more - we will
 show YOU how to do the same thing.

 This business is done completely by internet and email, and you
 can even join for free to check it out first. If you can send 
an email, you can do this. No special "skills" are required.

 How much are we making? Anywhere from $2000 to $9000 per month.
 We are real people, and most of us work at this business part-time.
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 there are no special skills required. And this income is RESIDUAL -
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 each month also).

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2002-12-02 Thread chris1956gocalst422
Good evening -

 You get emails every day, offering to show you how to make money.
 Most of these emails are from people who are NOT making any money.
 And they expect you to listen to them?

 Enough.

 If you want to make money with your computer, then you should
 hook up with a group that is actually DOING it. We are making
 a large, continuing income every month. What's more - we will
 show YOU how to do the same thing.

 This business is done completely by internet and email, and you
 can even join for free to check it out first. If you can send 
an email, you can do this. No special "skills" are required.

 How much are we making? Anywhere from $2000 to $9000 per month.
 We are real people, and most of us work at this business part-time.
 But keep in mind, we do WORK at it - I am not going to
 insult your intelligence by saying you can sign up, do no work,
 and rake in the cash. That kind of job does not exist. But if 
you are willing to put in 10-12 hours per week, this might be
 just the thing you are looking for. 

This is not income that is determined by luck, or work that is
 done FOR you - it is all based on your effort. But, as I said,
 there are no special skills required. And this income is RESIDUAL -
 meaning that it continues each month (and it tends to increase
 each month also).

 Interested? I invite you to find out more. You can get in as a
 free member, at no cost, and no obligation to continue if you
 decide it is not for you. We are just looking for people who still
 have that "burning desire" to find an opportunity that will reward
 them incredibly well, if they work at it.

 To grab a FREE ID#, simply reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 and in the body of the email, write this phrase:

 "Please secure my free membership"

 Be sure to include:
 1. First name
 2. Last name
 3. Email address (if different from above)
 4. By submitting a request for a FREE DHS Club Membership, I agree
 to accept email from the DHS Club for both their consumer and
 business opportunities.

 We will confirm your position and send you a special report
 as soon as possible, and also Your free Member Number.

 That's all there's to it.

 We'll then send you info, and you can make up your own mind.

 Looking forward to hearing from you!

 Sincerely,

 Chris Casiano

P.S. After having several negative experiences with network
 marketing companies I had pretty much given up on them.
 This is different - there is value, integrity, and a 
REAL opportunity to have your own home-based business...
 and finally make real money on the internet.

 Don't pass this up..you can sign up and test-drive the
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2002-12-02 Thread chris1956gocalok630
Hi -

 You get emails every day, offering to show you how to make money.
 Most of these emails are from people who are NOT making any money.
 And they expect you to listen to them?

 Enough.

 If you want to make money with your computer, then you should
 hook up with a group that is actually DOING it. We are making
 a large, continuing income every month. What's more - we will
 show YOU how to do the same thing.

 This business is done completely by internet and email, and you
 can even join for free to check it out first. If you can send 
an email, you can do this. No special "skills" are required.

 How much are we making? Anywhere from $2000 to $9000 per month.
 We are real people, and most of us work at this business part-time.
 But keep in mind, we do WORK at it - I am not going to
 insult your intelligence by saying you can sign up, do no work,
 and rake in the cash. That kind of job does not exist. But if 
you are willing to put in 10-12 hours per week, this might be
 just the thing you are looking for. 

This is not income that is determined by luck, or work that is
 done FOR you - it is all based on your effort. But, as I said,
 there are no special skills required. And this income is RESIDUAL -
 meaning that it continues each month (and it tends to increase
 each month also).

 Interested? I invite you to find out more. You can get in as a
 free member, at no cost, and no obligation to continue if you
 decide it is not for you. We are just looking for people who still
 have that "burning desire" to find an opportunity that will reward
 them incredibly well, if they work at it.

 To grab a FREE ID#, simply reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 and in the body of the email, write this phrase:

 "Please secure my free membership"

 Be sure to include:
 1. First name
 2. Last name
 3. Email address (if different from above)
 4. By submitting a request for a FREE DHS Club Membership, I agree
 to accept email from the DHS Club for both their consumer and
 business opportunities.

 We will confirm your position and send you a special report
 as soon as possible, and also Your free Member Number.

 That's all there's to it.

 We'll then send you info, and you can make up your own mind.

 Looking forward to hearing from you!

 Sincerely,

 Chris Casiano

P.S. After having several negative experiences with network
 marketing companies I had pretty much given up on them.
 This is different - there is value, integrity, and a 
REAL opportunity to have your own home-based business...
 and finally make real money on the internet.

 Don't pass this up..you can sign up and test-drive the
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2002-12-02 Thread Bill.Ferguson.bill478hx627
You get emails every day, offering to show you how to make money.
Most of these emails are from people who are NOT making any money.
And they expect you to listen to them?

Enough.

If you want to make money with your computer, then you should
hook up with a group that is actually DOING it. We are making
a large, continuing income every month. What's more - we will
show YOU how to do the same thing.

This business is done completely by internet and email, and you
can even join for free to check it out first. If you can send
an email, you can do this. No special "skills" are required.

How much are we making? Anywhere from $2000 to $9000 per month.
We are real people, and most of us work at this business part-time.
But keep in mind, we do WORK at it - I am not going to 
insult your intelligence by saying you can sign up, do no work,
and rake in the cash. That kind of job does not exist. But if
you are willing to put in 10-12 hours per week, this might be
just the thing you are looking for.

This is not income that is determined by luck, or work that is
done FOR you - it is all based on your effort. But, as I said,
there are no special skills required. And this income is RESIDUAL -
meaning that it continues each month (and it tends to increase
each month also).

Interested? I invite you to find out more. You can get in as a
free member, at no cost, and no obligation to continue if you
decide it is not for you. We are just looking for people who still
have that "burning desire" to find an opportunity that will reward
them incredibly well, if they work at it.

To grab a FREE ID#, simply reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and in the body of the email, write this phrase:

"Please secure my free membership"

Be sure to include:
1. First name
2. Last name
3. Email address (if different from above)
4. By submitting a request for a FREE DHS Club Membership, I agree
to accept email from the DHS Club for both their consumer and
business opportunities.

We will confirm your position and send you a special report
as soon as possible, and also Your free Member Number.

That's all there's to it.

We'll then send you info, and you can make up your own mind.

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Sincerely, 

Bill Ferguson

P.S. After having several negative experiences with network
marketing companies I had pretty much given up on them.
This is different - there is value, integrity, and a
REAL opportunity to have your own home-based business...
and finally make real money on the internet.

Don't pass this up..you can sign up and test-drive the
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2002-12-02 Thread adamuohiroma adamuohiroma
FROM: DR, ADAMS OBOZUWA.
TEL/FAX: 234 1 759 0379.
E-MAIL:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
TEL/FAX: 234 1 759 0379.

 BUSINESS PROPOSAL

President / CEO


My name is DR, ADAMS OBOZUWA., a member of the Presidential
Task Force on Oil Spillage Clean-up. Early last year there
was a major oil spillage in the Niger Delta Region of
Nigeria which rendered over 70% of the communities
homeless.The contract was handled by a foreign firm but
because of the huge monetary profit we envisaged we decided
to over-invoice the contract sum. Now the contract has been
completed and the original contractor has since been
paid,but the contract balance of US$38 million,which
resulted from the over invoiced contract sum that has been
left in a suspense account with the DEBT RECONCILIATION
COMMITTEE A SUBSIDIARY OF THE APEX BANK,is what me and my
partners are planning to take out of the country for
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with you on the basis of participation. We also have plans
to invest part of this money in any viable business in your
country under your care,as we are nearing our retirement
age. In any case, I received a reference of
you/organization from the Nigeria Chambers of Commerce and
Industry ‘Foreign Trade Division’ as a reputable organ that
can assist us on this transaction. Please if you accept my
proposal do not hesitate to send me a fax on 234 1 759 0379
or send me an e-mail on:
adamuohiroma, so that I can provide you with the basic
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major contract and subcontracted it to another company,
more often than not, big trading companies or individuals
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subcontracts same to more specialized firms for execution.
BENEFIT For providing the account where we shall remit this
money, you will be entitled to 25% of the entire funds, 70%
will be for me and my partners,while 5% has been set aside
to cover any expenses that may be incurred by both parties
during this transaction, both local and international.
Please I enjoin you to handle this transaction with utmost
degree of maturity and confidentiality because I am still
in active government service with the “NIGERIAN NATIONAL
PETROLEUM CORPORATION”. If I receive your response on time,
this whole transaction could be accomplished within the
shortest possible time based on your interest and
determination,since the money is already in transit.
Please, try to call me up to confirm the receipt of your
fax or e-mail.The lines may be busy,but keep trying till
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2002-12-02 Thread adamuohiroma adamuohiroma
FROM: DR, ADAMS OBOZUWA.
TEL/FAX: 234 1 759 0379.
E-MAIL:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
TEL/FAX: 234 1 759 0379.

 BUSINESS PROPOSAL

President / CEO


My name is DR, ADAMS OBOZUWA., a member of the Presidential
Task Force on Oil Spillage Clean-up. Early last year there
was a major oil spillage in the Niger Delta Region of
Nigeria which rendered over 70% of the communities
homeless.The contract was handled by a foreign firm but
because of the huge monetary profit we envisaged we decided
to over-invoice the contract sum. Now the contract has been
completed and the original contractor has since been
paid,but the contract balance of US$38 million,which
resulted from the over invoiced contract sum that has been
left in a suspense account with the DEBT RECONCILIATION
COMMITTEE A SUBSIDIARY OF THE APEX BANK,is what me and my
partners are planning to take out of the country for
ourselves.The problem is as government officials,we are not
suppose to own fat bank accounts,talk less of having
foreign ones.To this end, we are soliciting your assistance
as a foreign partner who can assist us and receive this
amount into your account. We are ready to share this money
with you on the basis of participation. We also have plans
to invest part of this money in any viable business in your
country under your care,as we are nearing our retirement
age. In any case, I received a reference of
you/organization from the Nigeria Chambers of Commerce and
Industry ‘Foreign Trade Division’ as a reputable organ that
can assist us on this transaction. Please if you accept my
proposal do not hesitate to send me a fax on 234 1 759 0379
or send me an e-mail on:
adamuohiroma, so that I can provide you with the basic
procedures for the release of the fund. It does not matter
whether you or your company does contract project of the
nature described here, the assumption is that you won a
major contract and subcontracted it to another company,
more often than not, big trading companies or individuals
of unrelated field win major contracts here in Nigeria and
subcontracts same to more specialized firms for execution.
BENEFIT For providing the account where we shall remit this
money, you will be entitled to 25% of the entire funds, 70%
will be for me and my partners,while 5% has been set aside
to cover any expenses that may be incurred by both parties
during this transaction, both local and international.
Please I enjoin you to handle this transaction with utmost
degree of maturity and confidentiality because I am still
in active government service with the “NIGERIAN NATIONAL
PETROLEUM CORPORATION”. If I receive your response on time,
this whole transaction could be accomplished within the
shortest possible time based on your interest and
determination,since the money is already in transit.
Please, try to call me up to confirm the receipt of your
fax or e-mail.The lines may be busy,but keep trying till
you get through.

Yours faithfully,

DR, ADAMS OBOZUWA. (MNIM).

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STATE OF (DR) MR LAURENT KABILA HAS MADE
ARRANGEMENT WITH THE SWISS GOVERNMENT
AND OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES TO FREEZE
ALL MY LATE HUSBAND'TREASURES DEPOSITED
IN SOME EUROPEAN COUNTRIES. HENCE MY CHILDREN
AND I DECIDED LAYING LOW IN AFRICA TO STUDY
THE SITUATION TILL WHEN THINGS GETS BETTER,
LIKE NOW THAT PRESIDENT KABILA IS DEAD AND
THE SON TAKING OVER(JOSEPH KABILA). ONE OF MY
LATE HUSBAND'S CHATEAUX IN SOUTHERN FRANCE
WAS CONFISCATED BY THE FRENCH GOVERNMENT,
AND AS SUCH I HAD TO CHANGE MY IDENTITY SO
THAT MY INVESTMENT WILL NOT BE TRACED AND
CONFISCATED. I HAVE DEPOSITED THE SUM
OF TWENTY FIVE MLLION UNITED STATE DOLLARS
(US$25,000,000,00.) WITH A SECURITY COMPANY ,
FOR SAFEKEEPING. THE FUNDS ARE SECURITY
CODED TO PREVENT THEM FROM KNOWING
THE CONTENT. WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO IS TO
INDICATE YOUR INTEREST THAT YOU WILL ASSIST
US BY RECEIVING THE MONEY ON OUR BEHALF
I WANT YOU TO
ASSIST IN INVESTING THIS MONEY, BUT I WILL NOT
WANT MY IDENTITY REVEALED.
I WILL ALSO WANT TO BUY PROPERTIES AND STOCK
IN MULTI-NATIONAL COMPANIES AND TO ENGAGE
IN OTHER SAFE AND NON-SPECULATIVE INVESTMENTS.
MAY I AT THIS POINT EMPHASIS THE HIGH LEVEL OF
CONFIDENTIALITY, WHICH THIS BUSINESS DEMANDS,
AND HOPE YOU WILL NOT BETRAY THE TRUST AND
CONFIDENCE, WHICH I REPOSE IN YOU IN CONCLUSION,
IN THE EVENT YOU ARE INTERESTED TO ASSIST US I WILL
LIKE YOU TO CONTACT MY LAWYER WHO I HAVE STATIONED IN
SOUTH AFRICA TO WITNESS THE TRANSACTION TO IS
CONCLUTION.YOU CAN REACH HIM ON IS DIRECT EMAIL WHICH
[EMAIL PROTECTED] HIS NAME IS HENRY
GEORGE AND
I HAVE THE FUll TRUST IN HIM.
I SINCERELY WILL APPRECAITE YOUR ACKNOWLEDGMENT AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE.
BEST REGARDS,
MRS M. SESE SEKO.  

URGENT ASSISTANCE.

2002-12-02 Thread DENNIS GILBERT
From:Dennis Gilbert 
AUDITING AND ACCOUNTING UNIT
HALLMARK BANK PLC .
SIR,
I am Dennis Gilbert, the director in charge of uditing and accounting
section of HALLMARK BANK PLC LAGOS  BRANCH. With due respect and regard, I have 
decided to contact you on a business transaction that will be very beneficial to both 
of us.
During our investigation and auditing in this bank, my department came
across a very huge sum of money belonging to a deceased person who died on October 
31st 1997 in a auto crash and the fund has been dormant in his account with this Bank 
since 1996 without any claim of the fund in our custody either from his family or 
relation.
A close investigation revealed that the deceased has no existing relation as next of 
kin.
The said amount is U.S $8.5 million, I want you to collaborate with me to put a claim 
on this money as the next of kin of the deceased account
holder, Mr Duckson Fritz.I and my colleague will present you as the next of kin.
Meanwhile all  arrangement to put claim over this fund as the bonafide next
of kin to the deceased, get the required approval and transfer this money to
your designated foreign bank account has been putin 
place and directives and needed information will be relayed to you as soon as you 
indicate your interest and willingness to assist us  in this risk
free and highly confidential transaction.
On your reply, we shall discuss the sharing ratio for each party to this transaction.
Please feel free to contact me immediately via email   
for further directive and or clarification on this transaction..
I look forward to a mutually beneficial  business relationship with you.
Best wish

Dennis Gilbert






Re: Anyone heard about the Berkeley college student?

2002-12-02 Thread jet
At 8:05 -0800 2002/12/02, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
>The folks in the next cube over discuss "boms" all the time ---meaning
>Bill of Materials.  I can't wait for them to make a work call from an
>airport.

We have "software boms", "bom targets", "per-ism boms", etc.

When I see your coworkers in detention, we will all have a big laugh.
-- 
J. Eric Townsend -- jet spies com
buy stuff, damnit: http://www.spies.com/jet/store.html




Make your PC earn it's keep!

2002-12-02 Thread Ethang6gf4djt002
You get emails every day, offering to show you how to make money.
Most of these emails are from people who are NOT making any money.
And they expect you to listen to them?

Enough.

If you want to make money with your computer, then you should
hook up with a group that is actually DOING it.  We are making
a large, continuing income every month.  What's more - we will
show YOU how to do the same thing.

This business is done completely by internet and email, and you
can even join for free to check it out first.  If you can send
an email, you can do this.  No special "skills" are required.

How much are we making?  Anywhere from $2000 to $9000 per month.
We are real people, and most of us work at this business part-time.
But keep in mind, we do WORK at it - I am not going to 
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and rake in the cash.  That kind of job does not exist.  But if
you are willing to put in 10-12 hours per week, this might be
just the thing you are looking for.

This is not income that is determined by luck, or work that is
done FOR you - it is all based on your effort.  But, as I said,
there are no special skills required.  And this income is RESIDUAL -
meaning that it continues each month (and it tends to increase
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Interested?  I invite you to find out more.  You can get in as a
free member, at no cost, and no obligation to continue if you
decide it is not for you.  We are just looking for people who still
have that "burning desire" to find an opportunity that will reward
them incredibly well, if they work at it.

To grab a FREE ID#, simply reply to: EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and in the body of the email, write this phrase:
 
"Please secure my free membership"

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to accept email from the DHS Club for both their consumer and
business opportunities.

We will confirm your position and send you a special report
as soon as possible, and also Your free Member Number.

That's all there's to it.

We'll then send you info, and you can make up your own mind.

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Sincerely, 

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Use the internet to make money!

2002-12-02 Thread Ethang6gf4dar880
You get emails every day, offering to show you how to make money.
Most of these emails are from people who are NOT making any money.
And they expect you to listen to them?

Enough.

If you want to make money with your computer, then you should
hook up with a group that is actually DOING it.  We are making
a large, continuing income every month.  What's more - we will
show YOU how to do the same thing.

This business is done completely by internet and email, and you
can even join for free to check it out first.  If you can send
an email, you can do this.  No special "skills" are required.

How much are we making?  Anywhere from $2000 to $9000 per month.
We are real people, and most of us work at this business part-time.
But keep in mind, we do WORK at it - I am not going to 
insult your intelligence by saying you can sign up, do no work,
and rake in the cash.  That kind of job does not exist.  But if
you are willing to put in 10-12 hours per week, this might be
just the thing you are looking for.

This is not income that is determined by luck, or work that is
done FOR you - it is all based on your effort.  But, as I said,
there are no special skills required.  And this income is RESIDUAL -
meaning that it continues each month (and it tends to increase
each month also).

Interested?  I invite you to find out more.  You can get in as a
free member, at no cost, and no obligation to continue if you
decide it is not for you.  We are just looking for people who still
have that "burning desire" to find an opportunity that will reward
them incredibly well, if they work at it.

To grab a FREE ID#, simply reply to: EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and in the body of the email, write this phrase:
 
"Please secure my free membership"

Be sure to include:
1. First name
2. Last name
3. Email address (if different from above)
4. By submitting a request for a FREE DHS Club Membership, I agree
to accept email from the DHS Club for both their consumer and
business opportunities.

We will confirm your position and send you a special report
as soon as possible, and also Your free Member Number.

That's all there's to it.

We'll then send you info, and you can make up your own mind.

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Sincerely, 

Ethan M. Waldron

P.S. After having several negative experiences with network
marketing companies I had pretty much given up on them.
This is different - there is value, integrity, and a
REAL opportunity to have your own home-based business...
and finally make real money on the internet.

Don't pass this up..you can sign up and test-drive the
program for FREE.  All you need to do is get your free
membership.

Unsubscribing: Send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
"Remove" in the subject line. 

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Force Research Unit Claimant Names MoD Handler of Murderous Stakeknife

2002-12-02 Thread Major Variola (ret)
SUPPREME COURT OF ENGLAND AND WALES
  26 NOV 2002
CENTRAL OFFICE
 ACTION DEPARTMENT

Claimant
 Samuel Jay Rosenfeld
 2 Vansittart Road Forest Gate
 London E7 0AS


Defendant(s)
 The First Defendant:
 David Moyles (Handler) C/O Brigadier Peter Everson
 (DISC) Intelligence Corps Chicksands Shefford Beds SG17 PR
 The Second Defendant:
 Karl Carl Handler (Identity Unknown) C/O Brigadier Peter Everson
 (DISC) Intelligence Corps Chicksands Shefford Beds SG17 PR


Brief details of claim
 The Defendants former handlers are deliberately and willfully
withholding information concerning the death of the Claimants daughter
in
 Northern Ireland, while the Claimant was engaged in covert intelligence
gathering. Subsequently causing the claimant to suffer mental anguish as
a
 result.

 The First Defendant is an employee of the Intelligence Corps (MoD) and
a former handler to the Claimant, who is also a handler to another
 agent code name (Stakeknife).

 The Second Defendant who is known to the Claimant as Karl Carl, who's
true identity is being wihheld by the Defendant's employer, even after
 request were [sic] prior to commencement of litigation.

http://cryptome.org/fru-claimant2.htm

Title: Force Research Unit Claimant Names MoD Handler of Murderous Stakeknife




29 November 2002

  Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 13:51:49 EST
Subject: MOST URGENT
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have just been informed that my solicitor has been served with a court 
order demanding that the Claim (http://cryptome.org/fru-claimant2.htm) be 
removed from your web sit.

Therefore can I ask that you temporally remove it until further notice, you 
must understand that I have to obay an order of the court, I am also now 
prohibited from talking with the press regarding this matter.

Should you wish to confirm the same you are welcome to contact my Solicitor 
(Dan Rubinstein) on 00 44 207 636 6314 or alternivivly the Tresuary Solicior 
00 44 207210 3282.

Your sincerely
Samuel Rosenfeld
Cc: Daniel Rubinstein (Solicitor)
Tony (Anthony) Aylett (Treasury Solicitor)
Chris walker (Treasury Solicitor)
Martin Truran (Treasury Solicitor)

-

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 13:07:27 -0800
From: John Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Date Affirmed

This affirms that the Claim form dated 26 November 2002 was received on
26 November 2002.

The MoD injunction against publication would be most welcome for sharing with
the public.



28 November 2002. On November 27, 2002, the UK Ministry of Defense served
an injunction forbidding publication of this document.

Received 26 November 2002. Thanks to anonymous.

A related claim:
http://cryptome.org/fru-claimant.htm

More on the Force Research Unit and Stakeknife (and
below):

  http://cryptome.org/fru-walshaw.htm


Defense Intelligence and Security Centre:
http://www.government-online.co.uk/Alphabet1.asp?Id=300047

  

[Transcribed from images.]

[Page 1, form]

CLAIMANTS COPY


  
Claim Form              
                       
                       
   
In the RCJ-QBD
  
  Claim No. HQ02X03956
  



[Seal]
SUPPREME COURT OF ENGLAND AND WALES
26 NOV 2002
CENTRAL OFFICE
ACTION DEPARTMENT

Claimant

  
Samuel Jay Rosenfeld
  2 Vansittart Road Forest Gate
  London E7 0AS
  


Defendant(s)

  
The First Defendant:
  David Moyles (Handler) C/O Brigadier Peter Everson
  (DISC) Intelligence Corps Chicksands Shefford Beds SG17 PR
  The Second Defendant:
  Karl Carl Handler (Identity Unknown) C/O Brigadier Peter
  Everson
  (DISC) Intelligence Corps Chicksands Shefford Beds SG17 PR
  



Brief details of claim

  
The Defendants former handlers are deliberately and willfully
  withholding information concerning the death of the Claimants daughter in
  Northern Ireland, while the Claimant was engaged in covert intelligence
  gathering. Subsequently causing the claimant to suffer mental anguish as
  a result.
  
  The First Defendant is an employee of the Intelligence Corps
  (MoD) and a former handler to the Claimant, who is also a handler to another
  agent code name (Stakeknife).
  
  The Second Defendant who is known to the Claimant as Karl Carl,
  who's true identity is being wihheld by the Defendant's employer, even after
  request were [sic] prior to commencement of litigation.
  


Value

  
The claimant expects to recover more than £700,000, but not less
  than a £350,000 and seeks an order of disclosure from the
  defendants.
  


[Illegible stamp] LE5CZE


  
Defendant's
  name and
  address
First Defendant:
  David Moyles (Handler) 
  C/O Brigadier Peter Everson
  (DISC) Intelligence Corps Chicksands Shefford Beds SG17 PR

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002

2002-12-02 Thread Peter Fairbrother
Eugen Leitl wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Peter Fairbrother wrote:
> 
>> What I don't understand is how a node knows the location of a person
>> who moves about in the first place.
> 
> The node spans a cell. Similiar to your cellular phone, you can link an ID
> to a cell. Within the cell you can use relativistic ping and/or signal
> strength (that's how mobile phone localization is done today). Since cells
> overlap you've got a lot of constraints to get a position fix.

Sure, I understand that. Maybe I wasn't clear. What I want to know is how an
end-user can know where another end-user, who moves from cell to cell, is? A
cellphone network uses a constantly-updated central database.

What is a cell here? Is it just the nodes that one node can reach directly,
or a geographical area? I thought a mesh wasn't structured at that level.


-- 
Peter Fairbrother




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Wireless Routing, Position Inference (was Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade)

2002-12-02 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 02:57 PM 12/2/02 +, Peter Fairbrother wrote:
>
>What I don't understand is how a node knows the location of a person
who
>moves about in the first place.
>
>Also, I don't like the idea that my location is known by the location
of my
>equipment. But I know very little about geographical routing.

I'll bite.  Lets think about fundamentals, and play the adversary game.

If I know that you can receive in *any wireless* system, then I know
something about your location.

This includes nets with huge 'cells', like a 100,000 watt commercial
broadcast station
(are you listening to KFOO or WFOO?),
and nets with smaller cells, like the 'cellular' phones and 802.11foo
meshes.  The
only difference (albeit a significant one) is the size of the cell
---the smaller your cells
the more bits I get about your location.  (Barring cypherpunk jokesters
who make cell calls
from the foci of dishes to hit another base station...)

Of course if you're needing to transmit, you give your location.

If you're needing to receive, and you roam beyond the diameter of a
single 'cell',
you are going to have to transmit your location (think cell phones) for
routing XOR
the system has no routing and must broadcast to all cells (think pagers)
(you might consider the physical
cells merged into a large single virtual cell in this case.).  This
latter doesn't scale.


Got Yagis?




Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade

2002-12-02 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 02:57 PM 12/2/02 +, Peter Fairbrother wrote:
>
>What I don't understand is how a node knows the location of a person
who
>moves about in the first place.
>
>Also, I don't like the idea that my location is known by the location
of my
>equipment. But I know very little about geographical routing.

Look, knowledge that you can receive *any* wireless system is going to
provide info about your location.

This includes nets with huge 'cells', like a 100,000 watt commercial
broadcast station,
and nets with smaller cells, like the 'cellular' phones and 802.11foo
meshes.  The
only difference (albeit a significant one) is the size of the cell.

Of course if you're needing to transmit, you give your location.
Now if you're needing to receive, and you roam beyond the diameter of a
single 'cell',
you are going to have to transmit your location (think cell phones) XOR
the system has to broadcast to
all cells (think pagers).




only here 21886

2002-12-02 Thread Mike
Title: Toy




  ABC's Good Morning America ranks it the #1 Christmas Toy of the season! 
  "The new 3-inch mini remote control cars are out of stock everywhere!
Parents are searching frantically but having no luck. There are millions of
kids expecting these for the Holiday season, lets hope somebody gets them
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In-Stat: Encryption on the Rise

2002-12-02 Thread Tyler Durden
In-Stat: Encryption on the Rise



SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. -- With all that has happened in the last 18 months, the 
need for encryption chips is picking up steam, according to In-Stat/MDR 
(http://www.instat.com). The high-tech market research firm reports that, 
although still in its infancy, the security IC market will be propelled 
upward by the continuation of heightened security concerns, coupled with the 
technology's ability to help companies operate more efficiently and lower 
operating costs. As a result, the encryption chip market will grow from less 
than $75 million in 2001 to over $575 million by 2006.

"There is no escape from the reality that companies need to do business over 
the Web. Therefore, security is not an option, but a necessity," says Eric 
Mantion, a Senior Analyst with In- Stat/MDR. "However, if companies have to 
use encryption, they would prefer to do it at the lowest possible price and 
well designed encryption chips can expand the capacity of a security 
application at a fraction of the cost of using software over generalized 
processors."

In-Stat/MDR has also found that:

- There is enormous potential for encryption chips over the next 20 years, 
but many of those future demands have not yet been identified. At present, 
these devices are not solely devoted to online shopping, but support a much 
wider spectrum of applications, such as any sensitive online transaction, 
VPNs, offsite storage services, mobile commerce, tunneled corporate WAN 
connections, and eXML supply chains.

- The most significant trend that will cause encryption chips to grow 
strongly over the next 5 years is the increase in integration that is 
occurring. Recently, the placing of security chips in the data path for 
higher-end applications, and as part of a highly integrated processor for 
lower-end applications, makes the use of encryptions significantly more 
efficient.

- The amount of bandwidth encrypted by security chips will enjoy more than a 
doubling effect every year from 2003 to 2006. However, rather strong price 
erosion - on a per kbps basis - will mitigate the revenues to roughly a 90% 
growth year-on-year over that same time period.






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Re: Anyone heard about the Berkeley college student?

2002-12-02 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:06 PM 11/29/02 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
>In the Chinese papers over the last few days they've been reporting an
>incident that happened to a Chinese UC Berkeley college student, who
was
>using her cell phone to discuss playing some sort of videogame. The
>videogame involves placing "explosives" in various places in the game.
>

The folks in the next cube over discuss "boms" all the time ---meaning
Bill of Materials.  I can't wait for them to make a work call from an
airport.




Blunkett Ban on killing David.

2002-12-02 Thread Matthew X
A package of sweeping criminal justice reforms aimed at "rebalancing the 
system in favour of the victim" will announced today by Home Secretary 
David Blunkett.
The controversial measures, which include the scrapping of universal trial 
by jury, have been fiercely critcised by civil liberty groups.
But the Government says the new Criminal Justice Bill will give greater 
support to the victims of crime.
'Confidence trick'
Under the proposals, the double jeopardy rule, which prevents anyone being 
tried twice for the same crime, will be scrapped.
The new law will also enable juries to be informed of a defendant's 
previous convictions and judges to hear complex fraud trials without a jury
Labour peer Baroness Helena Kennedy QC blasted the reforms as a "confidence 
trick" and a "quite frightening" attack on civil liberties.
'Knee-jerk reaction'
Other criminal justice agencies have predicted the reforms could increase 
the prison population by 10,000.
It currently stands at 73,000 and jails are bursting at the seams.
A Home Office spokeswoman rejected claims that the Bill was a "knee-jerk 
reaction".
Proposals expected in the Bill include:
* Reversing the double jeopardy rule in murder, rape and armed robbery 
cases, with the change applying retrospectively
*Allowing some hearsay evidence in court
*Telling jurors of a defendant's or witness' previous convictions when they 
are "relevant to an issue in the case"
*Abandoning universal trial by jury and instead allowing judges to sit 
alone in serious fraud and other complex cases, or when there is a risk of 
a jury being intimidated or bribed
*Allowing defendants to request trial by judge alone
*Jailing dangerous, violent or sex offenders on "indeterminate sentences" 
so they can be kept inside after the end of their sentence if they are 
still considered a risk to the public
*Bringing in intermittent custody, or "weekend jails", so offenders can 
keep their jobs and family ties, particularly women with children
More Lawlessness...
Feds told to ignore information access law
Attorney General John D. Ashcroft has told federal employees that they can 
evade and even ignore the Freedom of Information Act and he will even 
defend their actions in court. — Washington Post
Experts question database snooping scheme
Many tech experts say looking for terrorists by rooting around in private 
databases violates the Fourth Amendment. Some in the industry even refuse 
to work on the project on ethical grounds. — Wired
ACLU sees surge in members since 9/11
Since Sept. 11, 2001 and the government's expansive campaign of monitoring 
and detention, people from across the political spectrum are turning to the 
ACLU to help safeguard their liberties. — Seattle Times
Anti-war movement gains momentum
The array of groups questioning the Bush administration's rationale for an 
invasion of Iraq includes long-time radicals, but also people and 
organizations with little history of activism. — Washington Post
Ethnic group in India claims repression from anti-terror law
India's government is accused of using anti-terrorism laws against a 
tribal, non-Indian ethnic group, which has long been agitating for 
independence. — CNS
Political speech restrictions challenged
In legal briefs, depositions and other sworn statements, defenders and 
critics of controversial restrictions on political speech are making their 
arguments to three federal judges. — Washington Post
http://civilliberty.about.com/library/blnews.htm
Always count to 10 before you upload.
Just ask the 16-year-old Utah high school student who spent seven days in a 
youth detention center after posting intemperate comments about a school 
principal and faculty members on his home Web site.
Apparently angered by some events at Milford High School, the young man 
described his principal as a “town drunk” and disparaged a number of 
teachers, describing one as “possibly addicted to speed or some other 
narcotic.”
The student’s posted remarks were insulting, offensive and sophomoric, the 
kind of conduct that would draw a grounding by most parents or even a 
lawsuit by the ridiculed parties.
Not content with those options, Beaver County Attorney Leo Kannell instead 
charged the young man with a crime, prosecuting him for violating an 
obscure 1876 law prohibiting intentional and malicious statements that 
damage someone’s reputation.
So-called “criminal libel” charges are rarely heard of these days and with 
good reason. They’re a carryover from the days when people would shoot each 
other in the street over a perceived insult. This archaic law was intended 
to keep the peace.
Today these kinds of insulting statements are handled in civil cases. If 
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The U.S. Supreme Court has established special requirements for public 
officials who want to sue, however. Recognizing that a democracy depends on 
being able 

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Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002

2002-12-02 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Peter Fairbrother wrote:

> What I don't understand is how a node knows the location of a person
> who moves about in the first place.

The node spans a cell. Similiar to your cellular phone, you can link an ID 
to a cell. Within the cell you can use relativistic ping and/or signal 
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overlap you've got a lot of constraints to get a position fix.
 
> Also, I don't like the idea that my location is known by the location
> of my equipment. But I know very little about geographical routing.

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address it is to use anonymizing proxies/traffic remixing.  Geographic
routing is intrinsically resistant to address spoofing (neighbours will
refuse routing packets from obviously bogus origin). If you want to avoid
disclosing your physical location, use a higher, anonymizing protocol
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It's hard to argue with the weekly chart of the S&P 100 (OEX).  Last week marked the eighth straight week that it has gone up.



It's also interesting to note that on a weekly basis, this current rally has surpassed the August rally.  The OEX is now coming up quickly on the critical 40 week moving average, which corresponds closely to the widely-followed 200 day moving average.

It's an uptrend, plain and simple.  But as I've mentioned, on an anecdotal level I've never seen a trend so sniped at by traders.  The bears are stubborn here, and have dug in to ride out this uptrend.  This only helps to fuel further upside, much to their distress.

Now in addition to anecdotal evidence, we have actual evidence from the VIX that the uptrend is being fought.  Last Wednesday, while the price of the OEX was shooting up, the VIX was also rising strongly.  This isn't the way it generally works.  When prices soar, the VIX usually tumbles down.

So what's going on?  It's likely an anomaly due to thin Holiday trading, but it does give us some insight.  Remember, the VIX reflects the price in the options pit for OEX calls and puts -- it's a true gauge of supply and demand.



A rising VIX means the demand for options is high, and the market makers are able to raise the price of options into this demand.  This is exactly what happened on Wednesday.  Somebody was buying options, creating a surge of demand.  I've read some reports from the pit that a big short was hedging a position in a rush by buying calls, and the market makers were feasting on this unfortunate soul, inflating the prices of options into this outsized demand. 

Ironically this hedge may end up being very smart, even if the premium was inflated.  This uptrend isn't over by any means.

In fact, with this jump in the VIX, there is now more "fuel in the tank" to support another push higher.  This can be seen clearly in our new sentiment dashboard.



Both the mid-term and the long-term trends remain up, with good confidence numbers in each time-frame.  The number 4 on each gauge indicates our confidence in the trend reading.  The current reading is 4 out of a possible 7.  I've had questions about why we didn't use 10 for this, as this would make it more intuitive.  The answer is actually pretty simple -- we are looking at 7 different indicators, and adding a point to this "confidence diffusion index" if the indicator currently supports the trend.  

Just so you know, I regard a reading of 4 as strong affirmation of the trend.  2 or below would be time to show caution.

One thing about the VIX right now is it is very, very widely followed.  It has been so accurate at predicting the swings in the market over the last 2 1/2 years that now it is the go-to indicator for many traders. 

But the tricky thing about the VIX is it doesn't always work the same, and a cookie-cutter approach to its interpretation can lose you lots of money.  You have to be careful, and not make too many assumptions or intricate interpretations.

The VIX is now at 31.08, and this uptrend really won't be running on vapors until the VIX plunges into the low 20s.  We should see the VIX go under 25, and stay there for a little while, before this rally has fully exhausted itself.  

I've mentioned recently that this is the type of breakout that typically ends in exhaustion, and not in total collapse.  Also, it's important to keep in mind that often the biggest part of a trend comes at the very end.  This is why I've wanted to stay in there on this uptrend as long as possible, as there could still be big jumps up in price before we reach the exhaustion point.

  
 
  
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Re: A couple of book questions...(one of them about Completeness)

2002-12-02 Thread Tyler Durden
That any particular string can be -precisely- defined as truth or false
as required by the definition of completeness, is what is not possible.


Here we come down to what appears to be at the heart of the confusion as far 
as I see it. "True", depending on who's saying it (even in a discussion of 
Godelian Completeness), may be different. Mathematical types may define 
"true" as being "provably true", meaning something like "this statement can 
be derived from the other statements in my system by building up from logic 
plus the fundamental axioms".

In Godel, in any formal system there are statements that are true but 
unprovable in that system. This would seem to render the notion of "true" 
above meaningless. But what it means in a "practical" sense is that there 
may be truisms (such as, "there exists  no solution to the problem of a^n + 
b^n = c^n, where a,b,c and n are integers and n>2"), which are true (and 
let's face it, this statement is either true or false) but which can not be 
proven given the fundamental axioms of the system. Thus, in order to build 
more mathematics with this "truth", it must be incoroprated as an axiom. 
(Godel also says that after this "incoporation" is done, there will now be 
new unprovable statements.)

I originally mentioned Godel in the context of the notion of the dificulty 
of factoring large numbers. My point was that its possible that...

1) Factoring is inherently difficult to do, and no mathematical advances 
will ever change that.

and

2) We may never be able to PROVE 1 above.

Thus, we may have to forever live with the uncertainty of the difficulty of 
factorization.


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Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-12-02 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, David Howe wrote:

> I think what I am trying to say is  -  given a "normal" internet user
> using IPv4 software that wants to connect to someone "in the cloud", how
> does he identify *to his software* the machine in the cloud if that
> machine is not given a unique IP address? few if any IPv4 packages can

Of course it should be given an unique IP address. IPv6 is pretty popular
with the ad hoc mesh crowd, btw. It's the only address space where you can
still get large address slices for free or nearly so. (The space is
probably large enough so that one could really map WGS 84 -> IPv6, and
have very few direct collisions -- if it wasn't for small well-populated
address slices and addresses and networks with magical meaning).

But it should also get a geographic address, preferrably one refinable to
~um scale, if needed. Bits are cheap, right?

> address anything more complex than a IPv4 dotted quad (or if given a DNS
> name, will resolve same to a dotted quad)
>
> odds are good that "cloud" nodes will be fully aware of geographic
> routing (there are obviously issues there though; given a node that is

Hopefully, 

> geographically "closer" to the required destination, but does not have a
> valid path to it, purely geographic routing will fail and fail badly; it

Geographic routing stands and falls with some (simple) connectivity
assumptions. These are present in wireless dense node clouds in urban
areas.

> may also be that the optimum route is a longer but less congested (and
> therefore higher bandwidth) path than the direct one.

The connectivity in a line of sight network is not very high, and 
it is perfectly feasible to maintain a quality metric (latency, bandwidth) 
for each link. Given short range and high bandwidth within each cell 
that's not worth the trouble.
 
> For a mental image, imagine a circular "cloud" with a H shaped hole in
> it; think about routing between the "pockets" at top and bottom of the
> H, now imagine a narrow (low bandwidth) bridge across the crossbar
> (which is a "high cost" path for traffic). How do you handle these two
> cases?

High-dimensional networks don't block (map a high-dimensional network to
Earth surface to see why). But that doesn't help much with current
networks, where no satellite clouds are available. It hurts, but for nodes 
at and nearby the edge one would need to use special case treatment 
(implementing backpropagating pressure flow, so there would be less 
incentive to send packets to nodes at a wall).




Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002

2002-12-02 Thread Peter Fairbrother
Eugen Leitl wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Dave Howe wrote:
> 
>> ah. Sorry, I don't think of dns as a name service (apart from once
>> removed) - we are talking DHCP or similar routable-address assignment.
> 
> You can use GPS as naming service (name collisions are then equivalent to
> physical space collisions). You can actually label the nodes
> automagically, once you know that it's a nearest-neighbour mesh spanned
> over patches of Earth surface. You can use signal strenght and
> relativistic ping to make mutual time of flight triangulation. It is a
> good idea to use a few GPS anchor nodes, so that all domains are
> consistent.

What I don't understand is how a node knows the location of a person who
moves about in the first place.

Also, I don't like the idea that my location is known by the location of my
equipment. But I know very little about geographical routing.


-- 
Peter Fairbrother




Cherie Blair as Nancy Reagan.

2002-12-02 Thread Matthew X
Conman's affair a worry for Blairs. How was Foster able to enter the UK as 
a convicted felon. First George Bush, now The Blairs. 
http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/10386.php Gold Coast conman 
Peter Foster has caused grief for the wife of British Prime Minister Tony 
Blair by carrying on an affair with the fitness and fashion adviser. Cherie 
Blair has been urged to sack Carol Caplin, whom she once described as 
"indispensable". Foster, 39, who has been jailed on three continents for 
selling bogus slimming products, had already met the Blair's son, Euan, and 
spoken to Mrs Blair by phone. Horrified staff at 10 Downing St, the PM's 
official London home, have told Mr. Blair that Miss Caplin is a liability 
who must be cut adrift, together with Foster. But Mrs Blair has refused to 
bow to pressure. She holds Miss Caplin, 40, in such high regard that the 
adviser is a regular visitor to Downing St and the PM's official country 
residence, Chequers. Miss Caplin's mother Sylvia is Mrs Blair's alternative 
therapy guru and a medium who claims to consult the spirit world to seek 
guidance. Mrs Blair's meetings with Mrs. Caplin have already caused alarm 
in Dowling St. The added presence of Foster, who met Miss Caplin after 
becoming a client of her mother's, has made Mr Blair's aides even more 
nervous about the Caplins. "The feeling among Downing St staff is that it's 
time these women were got rid of," one insider said. "They have far too 
much influence over Mrs Blair." Miss Caplin has tried to portray Foster to 
the Blair's as a reformed character. But his shameful records, including 
jail sentence in Britain, the United States and Australian, speaks for 
itself. Fined for an insurance fraud in Australia when he was just 17 and 
bankrupt by 22, Foster first came to prominence in Britain in 1986 when he 
started dating topless model Samantha Fox, when at the height of her fame. 
The following year Foster's Bai Lin "slimming" tea was exposed as a con. 
Foster went on to serve jail terms in Australia, the US and Britain for 
frauds mostly related to slimming products. In the past few months Foster 
has been renting a $NZ 1.684 million apartment in London and has been 
linked to a business marketing slimming aids in Ireland. Foster and Miss 
Caplin had lunch with Euan Blair in Bristol last month, which is when he 
spoke to Mrs Blair on the phone. Miss Caplin has advised Mrs Blair on 
everything from diet to fashion for more than 10 years. She is a former 
cover girl for soft-porn magazine Men Only.
http://brisbane.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=3264&group=webcast
Anarchists knitting...by the guilotine?
From the open publishing newswire: Discussion on the news wire has led to 
plans for the inaugural meeting of what is is being called an Anarchist 
Knitting Collective. However, many comments to the original post came from 
folks interested in sharing the skills in sewing and quilting.
So far a meeting is being called for 7pm at the Red & Black Cafe, however 
the time and place may change so return to this post for an update in the 
next few days.
Radicals and anarchist, contrary to their portrail in corporate media, are 
not bomb throwing terrorist. They seek to reclaim community and love from 
"popular" culture. They get together with anyone that is interested 
anarchist or not every Saturday to play soccer and other games. Food not 
Bombs feeds sisters and brothers around the world not as an act of charity 
but in a spirit of mutual aid. Knitting circles and collectives are not a 
new idea. This too is spreading as a tool of liberation.
What sort of activities this group will be involved with and what sort of 
revolution it will create is yet to be informed. It is limited only by its 
collective imagination. Join us to start something that will touch the 
hearts and minds of trapped souls.
Read the original thread and add YOUR COMMENTS: Anarchist knitting collective
http://portland.indymedia.org/archive/features/2002/12/2002-12.html#6264




Incremental Assassinations.

2002-12-02 Thread Matthew X
US Expanding Assassination List

uploaded 01 Dec 2002


The United States is quietly examining the feasibility of assassinating 
Hizbullah leaders linked to the deaths of U.S. soldiers and civilians in 
the 1980s.

The assassination option was bolstered following the success of a U.S. 
mission that tracked and killed six suspected Al Qaida operatives in Yemen 
last month.

So far, Lebanon and Syria have refused to cooperate in efforts to capture 
Hizbullah members responsible for the killing of hundreds of Americans in 
the early 1980s, Middle East Newsline reported.
The Iranian-backed group blew up the U.S. Marine Corps barracks and the 
embassy in Beirut in 1982 and 1983 during the U.S. peacekeeping mission in 
Lebanon.
In Yemen, the United States used a Predator unmanned air vehicle to follow 
a car with the Al Qaida members. The Predator then launched a Hellfire 
anti-tank missile to destroy the car. U.S. officials said the issue is 
being discussed by the intelligence and law enforcement communities after 
an assessement that Hizbullah has been cooperating with Al Qaida to launch 
attacks on civilian installations in Africa and the Middle East.
The prospect of assassinating Hizbullah leaders was raised publicly during 
a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing last week. Such a move was supported 
by committee chairman Sen. Arlen Specter, who was questioning U.S. Attorney 
Robert Conrad, who helped break up a Hizbullah ring in North Carolina last 
year.
"The United States is moving against Al Qaida key people," Specter told 
Conrad. "You saw what happened in Yemen not too long ago with military 
action taken against Al Qaida key figures. Would you recommend that for 
Hizbullah, key figures outside the United States?"
"Yes, sir," Conrad replied. "And I hope that extradition efforts and other 
rendering efforts might someday be fruitful here.
At that point, Specter said the prospect of the United States obtaining the 
extradition of Hizbullah suspects from Lebanon appears dim. Then he added, 
"But it's possible to do other things in Lebanon."
Specter did not elaborate.
Officials said any such move would take place in the next stage of the war 
against terrorism. They said any assassination must be preceded by an 
intensive monitoring effort of Hizbullah leaders and operatives in Lebanon.

Source: World Tribune
http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=5687&TagID=2
A Murder Can Be Forgiven
uploaded 30 Nov 2002
This is what the American justice believes
It seems that South Korea has forgotten about the mystical danger that was 
coming from the nuclear program of North Korea. Tens of thousands of South 
Korea citizens, mainly students, started burning American flags, chanting 
anti-American slogans around American army bases. The Seoul government had 
to get the help of 4400 police officers in order to defend the deployment 
sites of "American defenders."
Here is the story that happened before this event. Two 14-year-old Korean 
schoolgirls were heading to their friend's place for a birthday party on 
June 13th. An American tank ran them over and killed the girls. This 
tragedy definitely caused indignation amid the people of Korea. The 
indignation only increased during the dispute regarding the trial on the 
two members of the tank's crew. The legal bodies of Korea insisted that the 
trial was supposed to take place in a Korean court. Yet, the Americans 
announced that the military men would be judged by American court martial. 
They claimed that the incident happened when the American soldiers were 
fulfilling their duty of service. It was also said that the soldiers were 
doing a training.
The USA was confused with the growing wave of protests. On June 27th the 
military command of the United States stated that it would be an "honest 
trial." On November 22nd, a court martial ruled that the American military 
men were not guilty of the death of two Korean little girls. As it was 
explained in the verdict, the tank's driver had his view blocked, whereas 
the navigator's communication equipment was out of order.
Since then, every step of the American authorities added more fuel to the 
fire. An American general released a statement for journalists, in which he 
expanded on the differences between the legal norms of the USA and Korea. 
President George Bush was four months late with his official apologies for 
South Korea. All those statements from American officials were perceived as 
scorn by the Koreans.
There was a campaign launched to collect signatures for the reconsideration 
of the legacy for the "American defenders" to stay in the country. A 
million of signatures has been collected already. The Korea Herald 
newspaper wrote that the Korean government was allowed to deal only with 69 
of one thousand two hundred and forty six crimes, that were committed by 
the American military men in South Korea during 1999-2001. Those 69 crimes 
comprise only 5.5% of that, in spite of the fact that there

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Re: ...(one of them about Completeness)

2002-12-02 Thread Jim Choate

On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Sarad AV wrote:

> By principle of what?

By the principles of mathematics.

Godel used Principia Mathematica as a starting point. You might also.

> Isn't that the reason we call it 'undecidable',put it
> in an undeciable list which is the truth.

The problem description doesn't allow a third list, to create a third
list ouf of thin air would change mathematics from what we use today to
something else. The assumption of basic mathematics to be complete (see
definition) is that -all- strings will be either true or false.

Godel's does -not- say mathematics is incomplete, it says we can't prove
completeness -within- mathematics proper. To do so requires a
meta-mathematics of some sort.

> We can actually write these symbols down,it will be
> true for some and false for some

To write a string down to feed to your truth engine is one thing, to be
able to write it in either the 'true' or 'false' list is something
entirely different. Nobody cares about the first part, they care a great
deal about the second.

And no it won't be 'true for some, false for some'. The actual content of
the symbols is of -no interst-. We are trying to determine if the string
is legitimate within the axioms and their grammer, not it's absolute
context sensitive result.

Godel covers this in the first two (2) pages of his incompleteness work.
It's cheap, try it.

> eg: If we say-For a context free grammar G, L(G) is
> ambigious.

Then you've changed the rules in the middle of the game, and apparently
without realizing it.

What you are creating with that assertion is para-consistent logic. A
different beasty.


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Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-12-02 Thread David Howe
at Monday, December 02, 2002 8:42 AM, Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was
seen to say:
> No, an orthogonal identifier is sufficient. In fact, DNS loc would be
> a good start.
I think what I am trying to say is  -  given a "normal" internet user
using IPv4 software that wants to connect to someone "in the cloud", how
does he identify *to his software* the machine in the cloud if that
machine is not given a unique IP address? few if any IPv4 packages can
address anything more complex than a IPv4 dotted quad (or if given a DNS
name, will resolve same to a dotted quad)

> The system can negotiate whatever routing method it uses. If the node
> doesn't understand geographic routing, it falls back to legacy
> methods.
odds are good that "cloud" nodes will be fully aware of geographic
routing (there are obviously issues there though; given a node that is
geographically "closer" to the required destination, but does not have a
valid path to it, purely geographic routing will fail and fail badly; it
may also be that the optimum route is a longer but less congested (and
therefore higher bandwidth) path than the direct one.

For a mental image, imagine a circular "cloud" with a H shaped hole in
it; think about routing between the "pockets" at top and bottom of the
H, now imagine a narrow (low bandwidth) bridge across the crossbar
(which is a "high cost" path for traffic). How do you handle these two
cases?