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Re: Quantum Probability and Decision Theory

[Eugen Leitl]

On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, James A. Donald wrote:

> On the other hand, our inability to emulate a nematode, or the 

At individual level? We're lacking data. There are slices of the worm
(, raw tiff is about 32 MBytes) from Durbin's
work, and a few reconstructions, but there is no 3d assembly from a single
individual.

Nevertheless the entire circuit is known, and useful models exist. Have 
you seen NemaSys? 
It will be continued shortly. In general you'll find things with the worm 
don't look all that bleak:



> a portion of the retina, is grounds for concern.  This does not 
> indicate that the mystery is QM, but does suggest that there is 
> some mystery -- some special quality either of individual 
> neurons or very small networks of neurons that we have not yet
> grasped.

There's no mystery. There's just lots of hard work to be done if you want 
to model it from first principles (xref Virtual Cell and E-Cell). If you 
just want to model a few seconds or minutes of a network you have to 
characterize it first. With current technology, this results in producing 
and processing lots of TEM micrograph from tissue slices. We're talking 
about man-years of highly skilled operators and ditto grad students. And 
since this has been done before, no one is going to repeat it on a whole 
critter.
 
> It is unsurprising that with current computing power we should 
> be unable to emulate an ant, but inability to emulate a 
> nematode is troubling. 

The crunch power is there. We're lacking a good enough model, and
empirical data to feed that nonexisting model. Given that economy has
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> The crunch power is there. We're lacking a good enough model,
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The emergence of global arms companies sits very uneasily with the
state-centred concept of international politics which still dominates
military thinking. `National Security' goes, by its very nature,
against the grain of globalization, relying as it does on a view of
the world as a collection of independent states acting in
their `national interest'. It is virtually the only area of trade
which is excluded from World Trade Organization agreements.
http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/newsletter/issue11/isue11_part5.htm
Propaganda Diary
News on the role of PR companies in promoting war against Iraq.
http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/newsletter/issue11/isue11_part6.htm
Genetix RoundUp
Soya, Soya, everywhere… Monsanto's attempted takeover of Argentina.
New Markets for GM crops in India and elsewhere. Syngenta in Identity
Crisis why the GM giant is pretending to be an NGO.
http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/newsletter/issue11/isue11_part10.htm
Babylonian Times
True stories from the other side of the corporate looking-glass.
http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/newsletter/issue11/isue11_part8.htm
PLUS:
Missing plutonium found in house and garden near Reading
Good news for Burma
Fate of public services `in the hands of unelected trade lawyers'
NATO expands but at whose expense?
http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/newsletter/issue11/isue11_part7.htm
Book reviews `Some common concerns imagining BP's Azerbaijan-Georgia-
Turkey pipelines system' by the Baku Ceyhan campaign. `PFI vs.
Democracy' pamphlet series by Melanie McFadyean and David Rowland.
http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/newsletter/issue11/isue11_part9.htm
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Re: Quantum Probability and Decision Theory

[Jim Choate]

> On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, James A. Donald wrote:
>
>  On the other hand, our inability to emulate a nematode, or the
>  a portion of the retina, is grounds for concern.  This does not
>  indicate that the mystery is QM, but does suggest that there is
>  some mystery -- some special quality either of individual
>  neurons or very small networks of neurons that we have not yet
>  grasped.

Duh, you figure? I got news for you, there is a whole shit load about cell
behavior we have not yet grasped. And we won't until we can make one.

We can't model a network of neurons effectively because we can't build a
single neuron yet. No mystery there at all.


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"...one of these embittered gringo usual suspects ranting some 
fundamentalist view of anarchism while demonstrating profound First World 
oversocialized thinking - an myopia to problems way down South - in their 
imagined radical gestures..."
"...the only newspaper that ever published the article of Miguel Lanz 
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If Giordano didn't attacked in the way he did it the only journalists that 
cooperated close to pemon peoples in all these years..., Then nobody here 
would had heard about me, never... I am not attacking Giordano, not anyone, 
nobody, I am only defending my allies of EL LIBERTARIO, but to do it I need 
to use all my force!, imagine: Giordano is very well know and me not, he 
got background and me not, he has reported from several struggles around 
latin america, and me only from venezuela, in order to help my friends with 
the small I have at hand I need to talk like I talk and do all these 
trouble here in the first place..."
Trastor.
I will start bothering you again, Al, until you apologize in public my 
friends of EL LIBERTARIO.

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