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Re: The Streisand imagecriminal lives 2-3 parcels away from me
On Tuesday, June 3, 2003, at 11:48 AM, Bill Stewart wrote: At 11:00 AM 06/03/2003 -0400, Sunder wrote: That's all nice and good, but why should it be on cypherpunks? Where's the relevance to this list? Why is Ken, or his addres or helipad an interest to the cypherpunks? Why is PGE's monopolistic's actions against him relevant to the topics of this list? What's next? The Cypherpunk Equirer? Well sure - because not all the Black Helicopters flying over Tim's house have belonged to Feds/UN/etc. - one of them's probably been Ken's :-) I've also found Tim's comments on Pynchon living nearby interesting. IMHO, neither he, nor the Streisand creature have any relevance here - there perhaps was some relevance in terms of that lawsuit the bitch started, but, who gives a shit who your neighbors are? I'd say issues of putting aerial photography on the internet and how that changes the status of previously secret information are pretty close to our core issues - they're not directly cryptography, but neither are the guns, lots of guns discussions. And neither are the 15th or 23rd essentially duplicative discussions of PGP or Mondex or SSL or crypto exports very interesting or useful. I have no idea who pissed in Sunder's Wheaties, but he is of course free to skip any articles and concentrate on the ones that interest him. Volume on the list is now a fraction of what it once was...and yet still much repetitiousness dominates. Sunder could consider subscribing to a Best of list...wait, doesn't he _run_ one? Problem solved. I was not the one who brought up the Streisand sut...that was a posting by Major Variola on Friday. I thought it was pretty interesting that the aerial photographer is a neighbor of mine. This is, after all, not the same as listing neighbors who have not been mentioned...this is more akin to there being some talked-about crime case here and having John Young or Declan say That guy is my neighbor across the way. Interesting to know where people live, with even less techno/privacy relevance (such as hearing that Gary Condit lived near where Declan lives). Added to the fact that I see his helicopters circling low over my property (which explains some of the close encounters of the chopper kind in recent years), and the privacy/Brinworld implications (mentioned by M. Variola), and the sheer coincidence that I had just returned from my first flying lesson, I felt the need to post. Also, about 50-60 people were at the meeting/party at my house last September, so they have some (perhaps slight) awareness of which hills and nearby areas I'm mentioning. Sunder should put me in his killfile for a while...I am doing that for his posts, for a while. By the way, the Adelman situation also has a few other interesting tidbits. The company Adelman and his partner formed was called TGV. Located in Santa Cruz, the names suggested _speed_, as in the French train of the same name. Lore has it that the real origin was Two Guys and a Vax. Adelman also founded Network Alchemy. TGV was sold at the peak of the Internet boom to Cisco and Network Alchemy was sold to Nokia. Adelman cleared at least a few hundred million dollars. --Tim May He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. -- Nietzsche
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- Forwarded message from Eric Blossom [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:25:50 -0700 From: Eric Blossom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Orig-To: John Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], EKR [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Guthery [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rich Salz [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED], cypherpunks [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 10:42:01AM -0400, John Kelsey wrote: At 10:09 AM 6/2/03 -0400, Ian Grigg wrote: ... (One doesn't hear much about crypto phones these days. Was this really a need?) Yes, I believe there is a need. In my view, there are two factors in the way of wide spread adoption: cost and ease of use. Having spent many years messing with these things, I've come to the conclusion that what I personally want is a cell phone that implements good end-to-end crypto. This way, I've always got my secure communication device with me, there's no bag on the side, and it can be made almost completely transparent. And for cellphones, I keep thinking we need a way to sell a secure cellphone service that doesn't involve trying to make huge changes to the infrastructure, ... Agreed. Given a suitably powerful enough Java or whatever equipped cell phone / pda and an API that provides access to a data pipe and the speaker and mic, you can do this without any cooperation from the folks in the middle. I think that this platform will be common within a couple of years. The Xscale / StrongARM platform certainly has enough mips to handle both the vocoding and the crypto. Also on the horizon are advances in software radio that will enable the creation of ad hoc self organizing networks with no centralized control. There is a diverse collection of people supporting this revolution in wireless communications. They range from technologists, to economists, lawyers, and policy wonks. For background on spectrum policy issues see http://www.reed.com/openspectrum, http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/spectrum or http://www.law.nyu.edu/benklery Free software for building software radios can be found at the GNU Radio web site http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuradio Eric - End forwarded message -
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- Forwarded message from Eric Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 01:05:24 +1000 From: Eric Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Orig-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: EKR [EMAIL PROTECTED], Eric Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Guthery [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rich Salz [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED], cypherpunks [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ian Grigg wrote: It's like the GSM story, whereby 8 years down the track, Lucky Green cracked the crypto by probing the SIMs to extract the secret algorithm over a period of many months (which algorithm then fell to Ian Goldberg and Dave Wagner in a few hours). In that case, some GSM guy said that, it was good because it worked for 8 years, that shows the design was good, doesn't it? And Lucky said, now you've got to replace hundreds of millions of SIMs, that's got to be a bad design, no? Well the point here is that the data encryption in GSM is not relevant to the people running the network. The authentication is secure, so there is no fraud, so they still get the money from network usage. Privacy was never really there since the traffic is not encrypted once it hit the base station, so the relevant government agencies can be kept happy. The encryption was only relevant to protect the consumers from each other. eric (hopefully remembering things correctly) - End forwarded message -
SIGINT planes vs. radioisotope mapping
On Tuesday, June 3, 2003, at 09:10 PM, David Wagner wrote: Sampo Syreeni wrote: Rather it's the fact that the Big Brother doesn't have the necessary total funds, and so doesn't listen into a considerable proportion of calls as a whole. Yet. As far as we know. :-) I agree it's an economic issue, and law enforcement doesn't seem to listen in on a considerable proportion of calls as a whole at the moment. But what happens to costs in the future? Remember, it takes 10 years to get any change to the cellphone/telecommunications infrastructure deployed, so it pays to think ahead. By the way, what's the story with those SIGINT planes supposedly advertised as being able to fly over a city and capture communications from the whole metropolitan area? John Young had a pointer on his web site at one point. Do you suppose they might snarf up all the cellphone traffic they can find, en masse? What proportion of calls would that be, as a fraction of the whole? One wonders whether your confidence in the security of cellphone traffic is well-founded. AWACS-type planes have long had the ability to act as cell towers, so cell traffic is easily picked-up, if in fact they are doing this. Landline signals are vastly harder to pick up, and I doubt strongly that every minorly-radiating landline signal is being picked up. Perhaps for very, very targetted signals, but not cruising over general cities, it seems likely to me. I'm not sure of the context here, but in the past year there were some reports of planes circling over university campuses, and many were hypothesizing that SIGINT was being done on telephone and computer messages. This seemed unlikely to me. I concluded--and posted on Usenet about my thinking--that some campuses may have been targeted for low-level gamma ray surveys. Kind of a gamma ray version of Shipley's war driving maps. Possibly for construction of baseline maps of existing radioisotopes in university labs, hospitals, and private facilities. Then deviations from baseline maps could be identified and inspected in more detail with ground-based vans and black bag ops. --Tim May That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. --Samuel Adams
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- Forwarded message from Eric Blossom [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:50:37 -0700 From: Eric Blossom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Orig-To: John Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], EKR [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Guthery [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rich Salz [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED], cypherpunks [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 06:17:12PM -0400, John Kelsey wrote: At 01:25 PM 6/3/03 -0700, Eric Blossom wrote: ... I agree end-to-end encryption is worthwhile if it's available, but even when someone's calling my cellphone from a normal landline phone, I'd like it if at least the over-the-air part of the call was encrypted. That's a much bigger vulnerability than someone tapping the call at the base station or at the phone company. GSM and CDMA phones come with the crypto enabled. The crypto's good enough to keep out your neighbor (unless he's one of us) but if you're that paranoid, you should opt for the end-to-end solution. The CDMA stuff (IS-95) is pretty broken: *linear* crypto function, takes 1 second worst case to gather data sufficient to solve 42 equations in 42 unknowns, but again, what's your threat model? Big brother and company are going to get you at the base station... At our house we've pretty much given up on wired phone lines. We use cell phones as our primary means of communication. Turns out that with the bundled roaming and long distance, it works out cheaper than what we used to pay for long distance service. There is that pesky location transponder problem though. ...which will basically never be secured end-to-end if this requires each of those people to buy a special new phone, or do some tinkering with configuring secure phone software for their PDA. Hmmm, which key size do I need? Is 1024 bits long enough? Why do I have to move the mouse around, again, anyway? It doesn't have to be hard. No requirement for PKI. Just start with an unauthenticated 2k-bit Diffie-Hellman and be done with it. Eric - End forwarded message -
[PaulLambert@AirgoNetworks.Com: Re: BIS Disk Full]
- Forwarded message from Paul Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Subject: Re: BIS Disk Full Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 22:50:20 -0700 Thread-Topic: Re: BIS Disk Full Thread-Index: AcMpAGDW0rLn6AHCQFSmRRWCM9LG7QAkdTWg From: Paul Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Orig-To: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by gw.lne.com id h535oULl001507 Is it this? http://snap.bis.doc.gov/ The correct URL is: http://www.bis.doc.gov/Encryption/PubAvailEncSourceCodeNofify.html This site contains the full process to export encryption source code that would be considered publicly available The site has you e-mail to three addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can also send a disk to both to 14th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue and Fort Meade I've submitted twice and never gotten an acknowledgement ... can't imagine that they are that busy. Paul -Original Message- From: Declan McCullagh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 8:52 PM To: Anonymous Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BIS Disk Full URL? Is it this? http://snap.bis.doc.gov/ Email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not bounce, at least not immediately. -Declan On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 01:34:00PM -0700, Anonymous wrote: I tried to notify the BIS that I was posting some code and I got this error back: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 170.110.31.61 failed after I sent the message. Remote host said: Can't create transcript file ./xfh4VJhUa02511: No space left on device [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 170.110.31.61 failed after I sent the message. Remote host said: Can't create transcript file ./xfh4VJhVC02512: No space left on device Are our rights suspended until they get their system fixed? :-) - End forwarded message -
AFP raid freedom fighters.
Police raids on Iranian 'rebels' By Patricia Karvelas and staff writers June 4, 2003 IN a series of dramatic simultaneous raids in three capital cities, Australian Federal Police agents swooped yesterday on alleged members of an Iranian resistance organisation linked to terrorism, seizing mobile phones and computers. The AFP's pre-dawn raids on 10 homes in Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne of Iranian Australians believed to be supporters of Mujahidin e-Khalq (MEK) were aimed at establishing whether it or other Iranian groups had been involved in the financing of terrorism or had links to proscribed terror groups. AFP search warrants sought information on at least 12 other Iranian organisations, including Iranian refugee associations based in Australia as well as individual Iranian residents. MEK, a Marxist-leaning political organisation outlawed in Iran, is dedicated to the overthrow of the Tehran Government and has claimed responsibility for past terrorist bombings in the Iranian capital. Members of MEK have won refugee status in Australia on the basis of persecution by Iranian authorities. Jalal Hosseini's Maroubra home in Sydney was raided at 5am. He said AFP officers knocked at his door before spending three hours interrogating him on whether he was a member of the MEK. His mobile phone, computer and bags of files were confiscated in the raid. Yesterday he denied being involved in MEK but said he ideologically supported them. I told them I supported this group, but they asked me if I gave them money, but I have no money to give them, Mr Hosseini said. They asked me many questions and they said the Mujahidin were terrorist, but they knew nothing about them, they are not terrorists, they are freedom fighters. Cyrus Sarang, who received a knock on his Waterloo flat door in Sydney at 6.30am yesterday morning by six AFP officers, said he was harassed about his involvement in the group. He told them he was not a member, but did support the group's principles. They believe in Islam and I do not. I am not fundamental, Mr Sarang said. They gave me a handful of documents listing all these terrorist organisations. I told them I am not in them. They took my passport, my wife's passport and my daughter's, who is 10, passport, he said. I do support the Mujahidin but I am not part of them, but I support them because they fight for democracy. The Iranian regime is what we are against. They asked me if I sent them any money but I said no. He said he was also asked if he knew anything about Jemaah Islamiah, Hamas, or Hezbollah. The men told The Australian there was no formal MEK group in Australia, but rather a loose collective of people who met to read Mujahidin literature. A spokeswoman for federal Attorney-General Daryl Williams said last night a number of warrants had been issued for arrests and it would be inappropriate to comment further. MEK was named under a 2001 anti-terrorism resolution of the UN, which obliged member nations to freeze financial assets of people or entities involved in terrorism. But it has not been proscribed under Australian terrorism laws. Iranian authorities have repeatedly called on foreign governments, including Australia, to extradite MEK members wanted in connection with acts of terrorism against the Iranian state. Australian immigration authorities recently signed a memorandum of understanding with Tehran, which includes plans to repatriate Iranian detainees. Members of the organisation demonstrated against a visiting Iranian delegation last week and also took part in recent anti-Iraq war demonstrations in Australian cities, according to government sources. MEK supporters, including Mr Hosseini, took part in an attack on the Iranian embassy in Canberra in April 1992 in which an Iranian diplomat was badly injured. http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6541568%255E421,00.html
More dodgy e-mails.
Newsreader resigns in wake of e-mails By Neil Melloy June 4, 2003 CHANNEL 9 weekend newsreader Mike London quit last night, three days after The Courier-Mail revealed he had allegedly sent e-mails criticising fellow newsreader Bruce Paige. London maintained that the e-mails had been doctored. Channel 9 Queensland issued a statement saying management had accepted London's resignation effective immediately and Paige read a news item about the resignation in last night's news broadcast. In e-mails obtained by The Courier-Mail London had allegedly asked Strathpine schoolteacher Karen Rolff to pass herself off as a viewer and then ring Nine to complain that Paige needed a personality bypass. London had been Nine's weekday newsreader until 1995 when Paige replaced him. London, who had been with Nine for 17 years, tendered his resignation in a brief letter, according to Nine. I am deeply saddened to be leaving my position at Channel 9 but believe this course of action to be in the best interests of my family, friends and Channel 9 Queensland, given the recent allegations printed in both The Courier-Mail and the Sunday Mail newspapers, it said. My family, colleagues and employer have suffered enough. Heather Foord will read the weekend news by herself from this weekend. London said he had resigned to enable him to resolve the matter privately and away from the media spotlight. The campaign against me over the last four days has been nothing short of harassment which has taken its toll on all those close to me, London said. On Friday, London told The Courier-Mail that Rolff, 33, had become obsessed with him and described her as a cyber stalker and a disturbed woman. He said she had been sent genuine e-mails as he had asked her to do some research for a charity, but he claimed they had been reworked. I still believe the e-mails in Queensland Newspapers' possession have been doctored, London said yesterday. Ms Rolff had denied London's claims and said they had met in an Internet meeting room because of their mutual interest in running and membership of the same church. An e-mail provided by Ms Rolff claims that London had given her an e-mail script to read so she could complain to Nine about Paige. Where did you get this guy (Paige)? He could do with a personality bypass ... the two you had reading last week were great! it said. In Nine's statement yesterday, Queensland managing director Neil Mooney thanked London for his contribution to the network and said he wished London and his family well. London thanked news director Lee Anderson and the news team for their support and friendship. Nine also said it had begun defamation action against Queensland Newspapers in relation to a story published yesterday. The Courier-Mail checked electronic copies of a large number of e-mails before publishing Saturday's report to confirm their veracity. http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6541660%255E26462,00.html inline: 91a1199.jpg
Waste (or is it W.A.S.T.E.?) author/releasor to resign from AOL/Time Warner
The author/releasor of Waste/W.A.S.T.E. (All Rights Reserved--neither T. Pynchon nor T. May use this name anymore) is apparently leaving AOL/Time Warner, the company that purchased his company, Nullsoft. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=528ncid=528e=2u=/ ap/20030603/ap_on_hi_te/aol_nullsoft So I guess we won't have the Waste/W.A.S.T.E. proprietary crypto innards to kick around anymore. ObRay: Why is this discussion here? We should be talking about SSH vs. SSL!! --Tim May That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. --Samuel Adams
Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down
The White House Communications Agency is also working hard to secure presidential communications, with legacy systems needing ever-increasing maintenance and upgrades, the market continuing to outpace the big-ticket legacy clunker equipment, too expensive to chuck outright, yet having flaws begging for discovery, patches galore (most relying upon obscurity and secrecy), and the operators from the four military branches which run the system turning over regularly and each new wave needing special training to work the patchwork klutz, with retiring old salts who are the only ones who know how the hybrids work and whether they are truly secure, and not least, NSA doing it damndest to get new systems installed in all the prez's habitats and vehicles and layovers around the world, deploying crypto tools partly off the shelf, partly purpose-built at Ft Meade -- and the whole precarious mess subject to a 20-year-old pulling a thumb out of the dike and letting flow proof that the leader of the free world is up to what you'd expect despite the multi-million rig to hide the obvious. Rumor is that 98% of what is handled top secretly is trivial fluff, as with most mil comm, SIGINT, cellphone, microwave, fiber-optic, so that snake oil is apt protection. If all telecomm was shut down no more would change than pulling the plug on television. The other 2% is what the billions and billions is trying to find among the EM cataract of plaintext and speak smoke and whine -- by whoever may be plotting a world of pure bugfuck. But that could also be discovered by thoughtful analysis of any singular mania, whether religion, higher-ed, sport, stock market, politics, or mil-biz. Here's a recent account from Army Communicator of what's up at ever busier and harried and thumbplugging WHCA: http://cryptome.org/whca2003.pdg (680KB) WHCA itself is recruiting thumbs: http://www.disa.mil/whca
