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Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down

[Peter Gutmann]

Derek Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>Actually, the ASN.1 part is a major factor in the X.509 interoperability
>problems.  Different cert vendors include different extensions, or different
>encodings.  They put different information into different parts of the
>certificate (or indeed the same information into different parts).  Does the
>FQDN for a server cert belong in the DN or some extension?  What about the
>email address for a user cert?

That doesn't really have anything to do with ASN.1 though.  You can make just
as big a mess with XML (actually even bigger, in my experience), or EDIFACT,
or whatever.  The problem isn't the bit-bagging format, it's that it's
accumulated such a mass of cruft that no two people can agree on what to put
in there.  Whether the resulting mess is wrapped in ASN.1 or XML or EDIFACT or
plastic pooper scooper bags doesn't really make any difference.

Peter.

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Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down

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> Suppose the e-gold, to prevent this sea of spam trying to get 
> people to login to fake e-gold sites, wanted people to use 
> public keys instead of shared secrets, making your secret key 
> the instrument that controls the account instead of your shared 
> password. 
>
> They could not do this using the standard IE webbrowser. They 
> would have to get users to download a custom client, or at 
> least, like hushmail, a custom control inside IE. 

Why do you say that?  You were already given pointers to how they
could configure their web servers to use certificate based client
authentication.  These techniques work with standard browsers.  I have
used Netscape to access corporate-internal sites which required me to
have a client certificate.

> HTTPS assumes that the certificate shall be blessed by the 
> administrator out of band, and has no mechanism for using a 
> private key to establish that a user is simply the same user as 
> last time.

HTTPS is just HTTP over SSL/TLS.  It says nothing about the trust model
for the certificates; it merely specifies how each side can deliver its
cert(s) to the other side.  Deciding which ones to trust is out of scope
for TLS or HTTPS.

E-Gold could set things up to allow its customers to authenticate with
certs issued by Verisign, or with considerably more work it could even
issue certs itself that could be used for customer authentication.
Why doesn't it do so?  Well, it's a lot of work, and it would have some
disadvantages - for one thing, customers would have difficulty accessing
their accounts from multiple sites, like at home and at work.  Further,
it would require customers to use some features of their browser that most
of them have never seen, which is going to be difficult and error-prone
for most users.

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[Professor Rat.]

Kenneth O'Connell lives in a $1million house in Miranda with swaying palm
trees, a classic wrought-iron fireplace and his own vegetable
patch.
He was sleeping in the bush next door but last October discovered the
house was abandoned and decided to move in.
The only problem is that Sutherland Shire Council bought the property in
December 2001 and planned to demolish it six months ago to make way for
2000 square metres of parkland.
But the man they have referred to as an "aggressive squatter"
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The 39-year-old former electrician says he has a right to live in the
house under the laws of vacant possession; the council has taken him to
the equity division of the NSW Supreme Court to evict him.
Representing himself yesterday, Mr O'Connell referred to legal
definitions of "vacant possession" he found on the internet,
including that found in Butterworths Australian Legal Dictionary:
"Where a person takes vacant possession of a property, the property
is both unoccupied and free from any claim to a right to possession from
anyone else."
Acting Justice Daryl Davies told the court it did not apply to this
situation and there was no Australian law which entitled Mr O'Connell to
obtain an interest in the property simply by taking factual possession of
it.
But Mr O'Connell pushed on. "I was hoping you would have a book with
that law in it, your honour," he said yesterday.
"I have all the books with my trade in it; I thought you would have
the books with your trade
in it."
Mr O'Connell told the court the property was left abandoned with
metre-high grass and barrels of flammable liquids littering the
yard.
He cleaned it up, had the phone connected and built a system of pipes so
that he could have a shower without paying water bills.
Five months later, council representatives arrived at the door. Mr
O'Connell told them: "I'm in occupation here now. Now get off my
property."
Acting Justice Davies ordered Mr O'Connell to vacate the premises at 196
Port Hacking Road, Miranda, by 5pm next Friday.
"Friday the 13th, well that's appropriate," he replied,
indicating he would appeal.
"I cannot leave, your honour; I have nowhere else to
live."
Mr O'Connell has planted trees, grown vegetables and
kept a chicken at the property since moving in. Making stew from his own
produce back at the house yesterday afternoon, he said that if he gave
the property back the council would just turn it into the mess it was in
when he found it.
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http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/06/05/1054700342156.html

Lets review.

[Professor Rat.]

Let us review the list of
"achievements" of the Liberal (conservative)Government: 

The introduction of GST where the poor pay the same amount of tax as
the wealthy. 
The imprisonment of entire families, including children, whose only
"crime" was to seek asylum in a country they mistakenly
believed to be just and fair. 
The enslavement of the Australian worker who in 2003 works longer
hours for less pay while CEOs take home multi-million dollar payouts. 
The oppression of poor and unemployed people whose lives are tortured
by an inefficient and uncaring social welfare system. 
A higher cost of tertiary education to the point now where only
children from wealthy families can afford to pursue a professional
occupation. 
The systematic dismantling of our public health care system and the
"Americanisation" of medicine. 
The wastage of one billion dollars on an illegal and unnecessary war
while our farmers were going broke, our children are denied equitable
education, and our public health care system is falling apart. 
Disrespect and disloyalty to the Australian people who opposed the
war on Iraq and the illegal American invasion of another nation. 
Exploitation of the "war against terrorism" and the victims
of 9-11 to justify the gradual introduction of a police state. 
Betrayal and desertion of two Australian citizens who have been
illegally imprisoned and tortured by the American military for more than
18 months. 
This Australian voter finds the current Liberal Government guilty of
exploitation, betrayal, abuse of power, deceit, cruelty, and crimes
against humanity.
More
Details here 

More Law.

[Professor Rat.]

Take a holiday on June 3rd to celebrate
a great Australian, Eddie Mabo, who overturned the two century fiction of
Terra Nullius in a ten year campaign through the courts ending in the
historic High Court Mabo Judgement. 
On the third of June 1992 the High Court of Australia rejected the
ridiculous notion of "Terra Nullius", that this land was not
occupied before European colonisation. Eddie Mabo a Torres Strait man
born on Mer in the Torres Strait and living in Townsville in Queensland
conducted a ten year battle through the courts that led to this historic
judgement. The
Mabo
Judgement states in law that indigenous Australians have by prior
occupation, ownership of land where native title has not been
extinguished. 
June the 3rd, eleven years ago marks the beginning of a reconciliation
process between indigenous and non-indigenous Australians that is based
in law, not charity. It opened up a new chapter in the often difficult
relationship between indigenous and non-indigenous Australians. 

The Mabo decision is arguable the most important decision that the High
Court of Australia has made since Federation. It states Indigenous people
have Legal Rights not just Symbolic Rights to all Crown Land in this
country, as well as possible rights to pastoral leases. Mabo Day marked
the beginning of a new era for Indigenous people. It changed Australian's
views of themselves and their rights to this land. It has forced mining
companies and the corporate world to take stock of Indigenous peoples'
claims. It has radically altered the relationship between Indigenous and
non Indigenous people in this country. 
Last year on the tenth anniversary, Eddie Mabo's widow, Bonita Mabo,
called for a national public holiday on the anniversary of the High
Court's decision. Mrs Mabo said Eddie Mabo would be singing and dancing
in delight over the progress made. "He would be dancing and singing
- I can see him doing it," she said. "It's going to be a long
time but at least we're starting to get somewhere which is great. Since
'92 there was nothing like this around and you know people couldn't say,
'oh this is my land, this is my country, I'm a traditional owner', which
makes them so proud of who they are." Mrs Mabo said a national
holiday would be the most appropriate way of celebrating Mr Mabo's
efforts. "You know we don't have to have the Queen's birthday
weekend." 
[
read
more and discuss |
Biographical Note
(national library) |
Eddie
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Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down

[David Wagner]

Ian Grigg  wrote:
>(Similar to GSM's.  That is hard to attack,
>there is AFAIR no 'trival' attack, [...]

Just wait a little while.

By the way, one can already buy fake base stations that
mount man-in-the-middle attacks on GSM as a way to eavesdrop
on GSM calls.  It's off the shelf, but it costs ridiculous
amounts of money.

>Now, it seems that the US standards didn't get
>even that.

Right.  The major barrier is the need for a digital
scanner (which indeed is a major barrier against certain
threat models, but not a barrier for other threat models).

>And, market forces
>and all that, one would think that this would
>happen in due course.

I'm less optimistic.  Market forces being what they are,
one would expect that one would quickly get cellphones that
are *claimed* and *perceived* to be more secure, regardless
of their true merits or demerits.

Oh wait, that already happened.

Re: CDR: Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down

[Jamie Lawrence]

On Fri, 06 Jun 2003, James A. Donald wrote:

> Suppose the e-gold, to prevent this sea of spam trying to get
> people to login to fake e-gold sites, wanted people to use
> public keys instead of shared secrets, making your secret key
> the instrument that controls the account instead of your shared
> password.

Why does e-gold have any interest in what people do on other sites?
 
> HTTPS assumes that the certificate shall be blessed by the
> administrator out of band, and has no mechanism for using a
> private key to establish that a user is simply the same user as
> last time. 

Yes. There's a virtue there. Knowing a secure channel exists is
frequently more important than who is on the other line. For example,
What's my favorite brand of lighter?


You live in a Bob's cold, dark cave, where you hate life. Insert water
dripping and scabs until you're amused. You have the chance to contact,
and maybe move to, Alice's bright, warm cave. Sounds good to you. How to
authenticate the offer?

Replay various notions of various fiction writers, here.

The problem is interesting. Solved, but interesting. Very few folks have
reason to help you authenticate them. Deal.

Even if people don't understand what https (and ssl) do, they still
serve a purpose. Even if it isn't the one you wanted solved. And if
there were a problem worth solving, would it be unsolved?

I'll refrain from asking how many people use digsigs, and what that
solves. Only because that's rude.

None of this solves life for average banking customers, but I think
"this" is something that "they" are willing to ignore. Most people seem
to trust one another. What do you do?

-j

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James A. Donald:
> > Certificate caching is not the problem that needs solving.
> > The problem is all this spam attempting to fool people into
> > logging in to fake BofA websites and fake e-gold websites,
> > to steal their passwords or credit card numbers

On 6 Jun 2003 at 15:04, Tim Dierks wrote:
> I don't think this problem is easier to solve (or at least I
> sure don't know how to solve it).

It is a hard problem with many well known solutions, none of
which have to my knowledge been implemented in HTTPS.  For
example one can use SPEKE, in which case setting up the account
involves sharing (or issuing) a password, but logging in to the
account does not require one to reveal the password to the site
where one is logging in.   In this case the fake website would
gain no useful information by luring the user to login to it.

The most HTTPS like solution would be to generate a keyfile
containing a self signed private key on one's computer, and
whenever one hit the website, it would do the HTTPS handshake
to log you in to that website's account for the public key
corresponding to your private key, however HTTPS does not seem
to directly support this model.   In this case the bogus web
site could log you in, but this would not leak any information
that would enable the operators of the bogus web site to login
to the real web site. 

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[Anne & Lynn Wheeler]

At 04:24 PM 6/6/2003 -0700, James A. Donald wrote:

>I don't think so.

??? public key registered in place of shared-secret?

NACHA debit trials using digitally signed transactions did it with both 
software keys as well as hardware tokens.
http://internetcouncil.nacha.org/News/news.html
in the above scroll down to July 23, 2001 ... has pointer to detailed report?

X9.59 straight forward establishes it as standard  with some activity 
moving on to ISO
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/index.html#x959

pk-init draft for kerberos specifies that public key can be registered in 
place of shared secret.

following has demo of it with radius with public keys registered in place 
of shared-secret.
http://www.asuretee.com/
the radius implementation has been done be a number of people.

in all of these cases, there is change in the business process and/or 
business relationship  doesn't introduce totally unrelated parties to 
the business activities. the is digital signing on the senders side 
(actually a subset of existing PKI technology) and digital signature 
verification on the receivers side (again a subset of existing PKI 
technology). To the extent that there is impact on existing business 
process ... it is like in the case of introducing x9.59 authentication for 
credit transactions that have relatively little authentication currently 
 and as a result would eliminate major portion of the existing credit 
card transaction related fraud.

The big issue isn't the availability of the technology ... although there 
is a slight nit in the asuretee case being FIPS186-2, ecdsa  and having 
support in CAPI and related infrastructures. It not working (easily) is 
like when my wife and I were doing the original payment gateway  with 
this little client/server startup in menlo park (later moved to mountain 
view and have since been bought by AOL) and people saying that SSL didn't 
exist ... misc ref from the past
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm5.htm#asrn2
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm5.htm#asrn3

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[Harmon Seaver]

On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 06:08:34PM -0400, Ian Grigg wrote:
> Derik asks the pertinant question:
> > The question is:  how do we convince M$ and Netscape to include something
> > else in their software?  If it's not supported in IE, then it wont be
> > available to the vast majority of users out there.
> 
> My view, again, IMHO:  ignore Microsoft.  Concentrate
> on the open source solutions:  KDE, Mozilla, Apache.

   Mozilla already has a pretty neat interface to gnupg, called Enigmail. See 
http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

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[James A. Donald]

--
On 4 Jun 2003 at 20:58, Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
> it is relatively trivial to demonstrate that public keys can
> be registered in every business process that currently
> registers shared- secrets (pins, passwords, radius, kerberos,
> etc, etc)

I don't think so.

Suppose the e-gold, to prevent this sea of spam trying to get
people to login to fake e-gold sites, wanted people to use
public keys instead of shared secrets, making your secret key
the instrument that controls the account instead of your shared
password.

They could not do this using the standard IE webbrowser.  They
would have to get users to download a custom client, or at
least, like hushmail, a custom control inside IE.

HTTPS assumes that the certificate shall be blessed by the
administrator out of band, and has no mechanism for using a
private key to establish that a user is simply the same user as
last time. 

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[Ian Grigg]

Derik asks the pertinant question:
> The question is:  how do we convince M$ and Netscape to include something
> else in their software?  If it's not supported in IE, then it wont be
> available to the vast majority of users out there.

My view, again, IMHO:  ignore Microsoft.  Concentrate
on the open source solutions:  KDE, Mozilla, Apache.

These groups will always lead in security, because
they are not twisted by institutional conflicts;
they can examine historical security model from the
point of view of interested professionals, rather
than commercial actors trying to preserve this or
that revenue stream.

The trick is to understand whether HTTPS as it
currently is can be improved.  If it can, then
those above guys can do it.

Once the improvements are shown to work, Microsoft
will follow along.  They are a follower company,
not an innovator, and they need to see it work in
practice before doing anything.  As Derik suggests,
the vast majority of users will have to wait.

Along those lines, there's one piece of excellent
news:

Eric Rescorla wrote:
> One can simply cache the certificate, exactly as
> one does with SSH. In fact, Mozilla at least does exactly
> this if you tell it to.

That's fantastic!  I never knew that.  How does one
set that option on Mozilla?  (I'm using 5.0 / 1.3.1.)

-- 
iang

Re: SIGINT planes vs. radioisotope mapping

[Major Variola (ret)]

t 10:23 AM 6/6/03 -0700, Tim May wrote:
>I certainly never implied in any way that a simple G-M tube would be
>useful for this. Implicit in my radioistope mapping comment was that a
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>
>And note that this is just what can be easily bought on the open
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>people almost certainly have more miniaturized detector setups.

Indeed, there is a group of GeigerCounterEnthusiasts on Yahoo whose
members
have/make this kind of thing.  You use scintillation plastic &
photomultiplier tubes;
you can get these on eBay.

Sometimes they mount their detectors in cars and find that some sections

of roads are hotter than background, or a hot railroad car.

>For this I used a pair of large sodium
>iodide crystals

which also show up on eBay

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> Bodo Moeller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> >Using an explicit state machine helps to get code suitable for multiplexing
> >within a single thread various connections using non-blocking I/O.
> 
> Is there some specific advantage here, or is it an academic exercise?  Some
> quirk of supporting certain types of hardware like nCipher boxes that do async
> crypto/scatter-gather?
I've had to do this on environments where threads weren't a viable
option. See, for instance, my paper from USENIX Security 2002.

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At 04:42 PM 6/4/2003 -0700, Eric Rescorla wrote:
>Nonsense. One can simply cache the certificate, exactly as
>one does with SSH. In fact, Mozilla at least does exactly
>this if you tell it to. The reason that this is uncommon
>is because the environments where HTTPS is used
>are generally spontaneous and therefore certificate caching
>is less useful.


there are actually two scenarios  one is to pre-cache it (so that its 
transmission never actually has to happen) and the other is to compress it 
to zero bytes. detailed discussion of certificate pre-caching and 
certificate zero byte compression:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ansiepay.htm#aadsnwi2

the typical use for HTTPS for e-commerce is to hide the account number on 
its way to the financial institution. for the most part the merchant is 
primarily interested in the response from the consumer's financial 
institution on whether or not the merchant gets paid. If it weren't for the 
associated business processes, the merchant could get by with never knowing 
anything at all about the consumer (the merchant just passes the account 
number on ... and gets back what they are really interested in  the 
notification from the bank that they will get paid).

So a HTTPS type solution is that the consumer pre-caches their bank's 
certificate (when they establish a bank account).  and they transmit 
the account number "hidden" using the bank's public key. This happens to 
pass thru the merchants processing  but for purposes of the 
authorization, the merchant never really has to see it. The protocol would 
require minor issues of replay attacks  and be able to be done in a 
single round trip  w/o all the SSL protocol chatter. Actually, is isn't 
so much pre-caching their bank's certificate  as loading their bank's 
public key into a table  analogous to the way CA public keys are 
loading into tables (aka using out-of-band processing  the convention 
that they may be self-signed and encoded in a certificate format is an 
anomoly of available software and in no way implies a PKI). The primary 
purpose of HTTPS hasn't been to have a secure channel with the merchant, 
the primary purpose of the HTTPS is to try and hide the consumer's account 
number as it makes its way to the consumer's financial institution.

The other solution is the X9.59 standard (preserve the integrity of the 
financial infrastructure for all electronic retail payments, not just 
internet, not just POS, not just credit, ALL; credit, debit, stored value, 
etc) that creates authenticated transactions and account numbers that can 
only be used in authenticated transaction. The consumer's public key is 
registered in their bank account (out of band process, again no PKI). X9.59 
transactions are signed and transmitted. Since the account number can only 
be used in authenticated transactions  it changes from needing 
encryption to hide the value as part of a shared-secret paradigm to purely 
a paradigm that supports integrity and authentication. As in the above, 
scenario, the merchant passes the value thru on its way to the consumer's 
financial institution; and is focused on getting the approved/disapproved 
answer back about whether they will be paid. As in the bank HTTPS scenario 
where the bank's pubilc key is pre-cached at the consumer, the pre-caching 
of the consumer's public key is pre-cached at the bank  involves no PKI 
business processes (although their may be some similarities that the 
transport of the public key involves encoding in a certificate defined 
format).  misc. x9.59 refs:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/index.html#x959

Both pre-caching solutions are between the business entities that are 
directly involved; the consumer and the consumer's financial institution 
based on having an established business relationship.

The invention of PKI was primarily to address the issue of an event between 
two parties that had no prior business relationship and possibly weren't 
going to have any future business relationship and that they would conclude 
their business relying on some mutual trust in the integrity of a 3rd party 
w/o actually having to resort to an online environment. The e-commerce 
scenario is that there is real-time, online transaction with the trusted 
3rd party (the consumer's financial institution) involving prior business 
relationship. This negates the basic original assumptions about the 
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[Tim Dierks]

At 10:09 PM 6/4/2003, James A. Donald wrote:
Eric Rescorla
> Nonsense. One can simply cache the certificate, exactly as
> one does with SSH. In fact, Mozilla at least does exactly
> this if you tell it to. The reason that this is uncommon is
> because the environments where HTTPS is used are generally
> spontaneous and therefore certificate caching is less useful.
Certificate caching is not the problem that needs solving.  The
problem is all this spam attempting to fool people into logging
in to fake BofA websites and fake e-gold websites, to steal
their passwords or credit card numbers
I don't think this problem is easier to solve (or at least I sure don't 
know how to solve it). It seems to me that you could tell a user every time 
they go to a new site that it's a new site, and hope that users would 
recognize that e-g0ld.com shouldn't be "new", since they've been there 
before. However, people go to a large enough number of sites that they'd be 
seeing the "new" alert all the time, which leads me to believe that it 
wouldn't be taken seriously.

Fundamentally, making sure that people's perception of the identity of a 
web site matches the true identity of the web site has a technical 
component that is, at most, a small fraction of the problem and solution. 
Most of it is the social question of what it means for the identity to 
match and the UI problem of determining the user's intent (hard one, that), 
and/or allowing the user to easily and reliably match their intent against 
the "reality" of the true "identity".

Any problem that has as a component the fact that the glyphs for 
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> I certainly never implied in any way that a simple G-M tube would be
> useful for this. Implicit in my radioistope mapping comment was that a
> gamma ray spectrometer would be used.

> The rest of the assembly, even 20 years ago, was mostly portable: the
> germanium detector head, some preamps and pulse-height analyzers, and a
> multichannel analyzer. Most of this stuff is now done on laptops, the
> MCA and analysis software part. Without researching this on the Net, I
> would thus conjecture the entire gamma ray spectrometer could fit in a
> small carry-on case, using a small dewar.

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Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down

[Ian Grigg]

John Kelsey wrote:

> So, what can I do about it, as an individual?  Make the cellphone companies
> build good crypto into their systems?  Any ideas how to do that?

Nope.  Cellphone companies are big slow moving
targets.  They get their franchise from the
government.  If the NSA wants weak crypto, they
do weak crypto.

There is literally no point in hoping the cell
phone company - or any large franchise holder -
will help you in your fight against big brother.

OTOH, what you can do is argue for reasonable
crypto.

(Similar to GSM's.  That is hard to attack,
there is AFAIR no 'trival' attack, you have to
get access to the SIM or you have to probe the
phone with another phone over a period of hours.
I.e., the attacker leaves tracks, and he does so
in a way that will move him on to another mode
of tapping, such as purchasing a straight listening
device.)

Now, it seems that the US standards didn't get
even that.  There's definately a case for arguing
for better crypto in the US.  And, market forces
and all that, one would think that this would
happen in due course.

But arguing for strong crypto end-to-end - save
your breath.

John Kelsey (paraphrased):
> The only way I can see getting decent security [in any application] is to do
> something that doesn't require the rest of the world's permission or
> assistance.

(I edited the above to broaden the assert!)

Opportunistic crypto - that which uses the tools
immediately available and delivers crypto that
is the best available right now - is the only
crypto that will work for *you* the user in any
application.  Anything that defers security off
to some external party has a result of slowing
or killing the application, or delivering less
or no security than if you'd gone ahead in the
first place.

This isn't saying anything new.  It's the Internet,
after all.  On the Internet, one doesn't ask for
permission to participate.  That's no accident,
it's a core reason for its arisal.  Any protocol
that has a step of "now ask for permission" is,
IMHO, breaking one of the major principles of the
Internet.

> ... I
> have an old Comsec 3DES phone at home.  It's nice technology.  I think I've
> used it twice.  If you're not a cryptographer or a cocaine smuggler, you
> probably don't know anyone who owns an encrypting phone or would
> particularly want to.  Even if you'd like to improve your own privacy, you
> can't buy an end-to-end encrypting phone and improve it much.  That's what
> I'd like to see change.

I guess there's no reason why you couldn't load
up speakfreely on a custom Unix box with a flashed
OS, put in the USB headset, and sell it as an end
to end encrypting phone.  The software's all free,
a cheap machine is $300 at Walmart, some enterprising
crypto guy could ship out a network appliance for
$500.

(Or, put it in a PDA that's got the right hooks?)

Half the price of your old Comsec, wasn't it selling
for $1000?

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Eric Rescorla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> This isn't really true in the SSL case:
> To a first order, everyone ignores any extensions (except sometimes
> the constraints) and uses the CN for the DNS name of the server.

Except some CAs make certs that can only work as an SSL server and not
an SSL client, or don't work with certain verifiers, or can't be
parsed right, or have the "commit-bit" set on some extensions.  It's
been a major pain in a problem that I'm working on -- not all vendor's
certs work properly.

> -Ekr

-derek

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Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down

[Eric Rescorla]

Derek Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Eric Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Too often people see something like Peter's statement above and say
> > "oh, it's that nasty ASN.1 in X.509 that is the problem, so we'll just
> > do it in XML instead and then it'll work fine" which is simply not true.
> > The formatting of the certificates is such a minor issue that it is lost
> > in the noise of the real problems.  And Peter publishes a fine tool
> > for printing ASN.1, so the "human readable" argument is moot.
> 
> Actually, the ASN.1 part is a major factor in the X.509
> interoperability problems.  Different cert vendors include different
> extensions, or different encodings.  They put different information
> into different parts of the certificate (or indeed the same
> information into different parts).  Does the FQDN for a server cert
> belong in the DN or some extension?  What about the email address for
> a user cert?
This isn't really true in the SSL case:
To a first order, everyone ignores any extensions (except sometimes
the constraints) and uses the CN for the DNS name of the server.

-Ekr

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Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down

[Derek Atkins]

Eric Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Too often people see something like Peter's statement above and say
> "oh, it's that nasty ASN.1 in X.509 that is the problem, so we'll just
> do it in XML instead and then it'll work fine" which is simply not true.
> The formatting of the certificates is such a minor issue that it is lost
> in the noise of the real problems.  And Peter publishes a fine tool
> for printing ASN.1, so the "human readable" argument is moot.

Actually, the ASN.1 part is a major factor in the X.509
interoperability problems.  Different cert vendors include different
extensions, or different encodings.  They put different information
into different parts of the certificate (or indeed the same
information into different parts).  Does the FQDN for a server cert
belong in the DN or some extension?  What about the email address for
a user cert?

> Note that there isn't a real running global PKI using SPKI
> or PGP either.

That's a different problem (namely that the "big guys" like RSA
Security, Microsoft, and Verisign don't sell PGP-enabled software or
PGP certificates).  PGP's problem is an integration problem, making
it easy to use for non-techies.  That has been the barrier to entry
for PGP.

> The largest problem with X.509 is that various market/political forces
> have allowed Verisign to dominate the cert market and charge way too
> much for them.  There is software operable by non-cryptographers that
> will generate reasonable cert reqs (it's not standard Openssl) but
> individuals and corporations alike balk at paying $300-700 for each cert.
> (yes I know about the free "individual" certs, the failure of
> S/MIME is a topic for another rant).

This is only part of the problem... It is not all of it.  Indeed the
cost (both in money, time, and headache) has always been a barrier to
entry.  I don't believe that market or political forces are the largest
problem with X.509  I will certainly agree that the cost is a
major impediment.

The question is:  how do we convince M$ and Netscape to include something
else in their software?  If it's not supported in IE, then it wont be
available to the vast majority of users out there.

-derek

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On Friday, June 6, 2003, at 08:26  AM, Thomas Shaddack wrote:

On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Trei, Peter wrote:

It appears that they can't tell the medical isotopes from others
They have no chance to distinguish isotope type with just a plain 
Geiger.
For an identification, they would need a gamma spectrometer, which is a
toy that AFAIK is not yet portable and cheap enough for mass 
deployment.


I certainly never implied in any way that a simple G-M tube would be 
useful for this. Implicit in my radioistope mapping comment was that a 
gamma ray spectrometer would be used.

As for portability, the one I used in my lab in 1979-82 was not 
terribly heavy. The heaviest part was the LN dewar, which was large and 
floor-standing. A large dewar is certainly not needed.

The rest of the assembly, even 20 years ago, was mostly portable: the 
germanium detector head, some preamps and pulse-height analyzers, and a 
multichannel analyzer. Most of this stuff is now done on laptops, the 
MCA and analysis software part. Without researching this on the Net, I 
would thus conjecture the entire gamma ray spectrometer could fit in a 
small carry-on case, using a small dewar.

Certainly for the cost of operating a light plane, such a spectrometer 
would be a minor cost by comparison.

And note that this is just what can be easily bought on the open 
market...N.E.S.T. (Nuclear Emergency Search Team) and similar LEO 
people almost certainly have more miniaturized detector setups.

I expect most of the N.E.S.T. detectors are also gamma ray 
spectrometers, probably now so portable they fit unobtrusively into 
briefcases for use in crowded areas. As we discussed a few months ago 
(and I think I discussed this in _particular_ with Thomas!), the S/N 
advantages of using a spectrometer are enormous. Thousand-to-one 
improvements in general S/N are easily achievable. Even more if the MCA 
software is looking for pairs or triples or n-tuples of gamma peaks and 
inferring likely radioisotopes.

(I used this approach in 1981 to solve a major problem in IBM computers 
which were using Intel chips...and I don't mean the alpha particle soft 
error problem. This was a different problem, involving a beta source 
trapped in some of the packages. For this I used a pair of large sodium 
iodide crystals (which my well-equipped lab just happened to have in a 
storage cabinet, fortunately for us) and looked for a specific decay 
mode that resulted in a pair of gammas sent out in opposite directions. 
By using coincidence logic over microsecond intervals, enormous 
improvements in S/N could be achieved. Basically, background radiation 
vanished and only the specific beta decay mode we were looking for 
appeared.)

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On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 01:41:29AM -0400, Dave Emery wrote:
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