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I was around and subscribing to CNN during Oil War I. CNN did not 
profit from advertising, but from reputation. Not because their news 
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"Wheel of Fortune" and "Entertainment Tonight" precisely when many 
Americans wanted to see what was happening. Those who did not already 
have cable sought it out.

Oil War II was not much different in coverage, despite the silly 
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Re: Quoting Anne Coulter is like...

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show.)
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> Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) (F.R. Page 35631)
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A murder that shocked the nation exposes the brutality of 
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progress. The 27-year-old carpenter's son had worked his way out 
of a remote village in China's central Hubei province to a 
university in the provincial capital of Wuhan. He graduated with 
an arts degree, then later moved to Guangzhou, landing a job as 
a graphic designer and the chance to make a home in new China's 
glittering boomtown. But three weeks into his new life, Sun's 
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home, the police took him to a nearby station. By the next day 
when his boss and friends showed up with the necessary papers, 
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2003-06-20 Thread Dave Howe
Anonymous wrote:
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2003-06-20 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
Tim May wrote:

Sorry, wrong again. Hatch is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of 
Latter Day Saints, LDS, aka Mormon. Not an actual Christian church. 
Details available with Google. Basically, Jesus is no more a divine 
figure in LDS than in Islam. In fact, LDS and Islam share a number of 
things in common with regard to the role of the various prophets and 
seers. 
Sorry, but you've got your facts completely wrong here.  Mormons very 
much consider themselves a Christian church; in fact, they consider 
their church to be the restoration of the church Christ originally 
established.  Jesus is a divine figure in the LDS church. He's 
considered the literal son of God the Father; he's also considered the 
creator of the Earth, the Jehovah of the Old Testament, and a god in his 
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2003-06-20 Thread Bill Stewart
> > > Methinks Mr Hatch is not a very bright man.

> > A Southern senator.  Need I say more?

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