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Now my father has accepted to quit power and leave Liberia on the arrival of
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deploying peace keeping force, has worsen situation in the country. In spite of
this, My country Liberia, is like a herd of cattle without shepherd. Rebels
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rebel who see my family as a threat to their ambitions, are planning to kill
every one of us when capture. 


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Besides, I am using this correspondence to seek and request your assistance
and cooperation in a sensitive but highly beneficial financial arrangement. 

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valuables.


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as long as the consignment remains in the security companys vault, made me 
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funds for investment purpose. As a young man, I plan to use this money to
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loose this money incase of any eventuality.

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2003-07-29 Thread Mike Rosing

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote:

Before this, AFAIK, we only had to worry about getting a GPS transmitting
 device planted on our vehicles, which would be bulky enough to spot fairly
 easily by anyone checking out the cars underside, etc. Here's one that doesn't
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directly.  I can see how the trucking industry would love it :-)

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 Harmon Seaver[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
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2003-07-29 Thread Sarad AV

hi,


Roughly

India has 30 million middle class people.An income of
1000 US dollar per month is considered as middle
class.
Thats one reason of strong foreign market in india.I
guess 30 million may be bigger than the population of
some countries.

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day,however poor he may be.
That accounts to 90 US dollar per month.Thats the
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So its open to interpret what dirt poor really is.

That is still too less,considering the present cost of
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Open drains,diseases,insanitory conditions are still
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A large portion of the indian community depend on
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To eliminate poverty the govt. employs 5 year plans.

here is a detailed list of the plans

http://planningcommission.nic.in/plans/planrel/fiveyr/welcome.html

The govt. provides rations to all its citizens-that is
to buy basic essentials like rice,wheat,kerosene
etc... at a much lower prices that commercially
available.

Schooling is pretty affordable to the poor in
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the state of govt schools are sad.
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among children in one of the 27 states of india all
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The quality of education is also pretty poor.Most
schools only teach in the local lingo and finding
english speaking people in many  regions are hard.Many
of the students emerging from govt. schools eventually
joins the labour class.
In india the average number of students that pass
tenth grade is only 50 percent of the students
appearing 10th grade.


As for politics,2 of the states in india are ruled by
the communist party of india.The case of labour class
is slighly better here but now a days corruption is at
the peak,that the ruling party and opposition party 
joins hands to fill up their pockets.
More over elections in india are won over simple
majority and there are over one thousand registered
parties in india.The oppoition against the ruling part
is usually high.

Rich people constitute around 3 to 5 percent of the
population.
Rich people tend to grow very rich because India is
one country you can be 70 to 80 percent sure that any
person you approach will accept a bribe be it sales
tax,income tax or any kind of tax.

Tax evasion is very common among the rich.If you would
like to reduce your electricity bill for industries
just bribe them and they will reverse the electricity
meter for you.

If a few barrels of illicit liquor gets caught,you can
bribe them to replace it with water.You can get away
with a lot of things and make a lot of money-if you
are rich.

Atleast there is'nt much stigma in viewing the
poor.they are more or les treated as equal and well
respected.Others aren't really bothered of poor ppl.

These are just a few basic issues.the conditions in US
are much better than here.


One part is better in india-privacy rights and liberty
are much better compared to US and even if you do
small crimes you can get away with it.

I can spit on the road,i can stand on the road and
block the traffic till i just get shoved off the road
side.There is no way I get arrested.I can do a lot of
things and not get arrested.

If u get arrested-for minor crimes,you can bribe the
cop and you are freed.I never have a swat team that
breaks down my doors.The streets are guns and snipers
free.I have no surveillence cameras watching me.



Regards Sarath.




--- Mike Rosing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Thoenen, Peter CIV Sprint
 wrote:
 
  Actually...the *wealthy* (implied other 2 billion
 folk because even the poorest whiny american I
  have seen is a king in Kosovo) do see, they just
 don't care.
 
 I agree.  Even India has a few with wealth far
 beyond the imagination of
 most Americans, and many with the same living
 standard as Americans.  They
 certainly see it.  Sarad, care to give us a short
 political description of
 how India views its poorest population and how they
 want to eliminate
 their suffering?  What fraction of India's
 population is dirt poor?
 
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 Dr. mike
 
 


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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Sarad AV wrote:

 India has 30 million middle class people.An income of
 1000 US dollar per month is considered as middle
 class.
 Thats one reason of strong foreign market in india.I
 guess 30 million may be bigger than the population of
 some countries.

 According to reports the number of dirt poor people
 are
 another 25 million,that is those who are below the
 povertly line,that means less than an income of 10 US
 dollars per month.

Out of a population of 900 million (or so) that's definitly the wings of
the bell curve.  The poverty line in the US is twice the middle class
income of India.  That's pretty stunning.

 This is what the report and statistics keep saying but
 any daily wager gets a minimum 3 US dollars per
 day,however poor he may be.
 That accounts to 90 US dollar per month.Thats the
 poorest you can find in india for a *working* person.

 So its open to interpret what dirt poor really is.

In the US, anyone below $20,000/yr income is poor.  According
to that, 90% of India is dirt poor!!

 That is still too less,considering the present cost of
 living in india.

Yeah, no shit.

 Open drains,diseases,insanitory conditions are still
 visible in india-though its comming down very slowly.

 Go to a govt. hospital,the sanitation and facilities
 are poor,escpecially in villages.

 A large portion of the indian community depend on
 farming and its upto the 'rain gods' that they yield a
 good harvest.

 To eliminate poverty the govt. employs 5 year plans.

 here is a detailed list of the plans

 http://planningcommission.nic.in/plans/planrel/fiveyr/welcome.html

 The govt. provides rations to all its citizens-that is
 to buy basic essentials like rice,wheat,kerosene
 etc... at a much lower prices that commercially
 available.

Is this kind of a bribe?  Keep the majority happy on rations
and steal the rest for a few?

 Schooling is pretty affordable to the poor in
 government schools and there are enough govt schools
 and provide free mid day meals for children.How ever
 the state of govt schools are sad.
 This year there were over 500 cases of food posioning
 among children in one of the 27 states of india all
 because of unhygenic food supplied.I am not aware of
 the condition in other states.The govt. schools in
 many areas have thatched roofs and some are even very
 near collapsing.Some schools occupy just 1/10th of an
 acre of land and some even less.
 The quality of education is also pretty poor.Most
 schools only teach in the local lingo and finding
 english speaking people in many  regions are hard.Many
 of the students emerging from govt. schools eventually
 joins the labour class.
 In india the average number of students that pass
 tenth grade is only 50 percent of the students
 appearing 10th grade.

Ouch.  But at least it's an attempt.

 As for politics,2 of the states in india are ruled by
 the communist party of india.The case of labour class
 is slighly better here but now a days corruption is at
 the peak,that the ruling party and opposition party
 joins hands to fill up their pockets.
 More over elections in india are won over simple
 majority and there are over one thousand registered
 parties in india.The oppoition against the ruling part
 is usually high.

 Rich people constitute around 3 to 5 percent of the
 population.
 Rich people tend to grow very rich because India is
 one country you can be 70 to 80 percent sure that any
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 Tax evasion is very common among the rich.If you would
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 If a few barrels of illicit liquor gets caught,you can
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the bribery is similar in the US, but there's definitly
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 These are just a few basic issues.the conditions in US
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 One part is better in india-privacy rights and liberty
 are much better compared to US and even if you do
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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 09:26  AM, Bill Stewart wrote:

Also, NYT Article was 
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/29/politics/29TERR.html?th

But it sounds like they've chickened out, because  various people 
freaked
about the implications.  (And they only got as far as it being
an incentive to commit terrorism, without getting to
a funding method for terrorism or to Assassination Politics.)


Not to mention the obvious problems with letting government agents bid 
on things like when various unwanted foreign leaders would be 
assassinated. Gee, maybe SEAL Team 6 can do an office bid, using 
anonymous cutouts of course, on when SEALs will go ashore at Bandar 
Abbas to liquidate the Iranian prime minister? Or maybe a CIA wet work 
guy can make a few extra bucks in the dead pool by correctly predicting 
the death of the next Vince Foster?

Besides being problematic in its own right, it also leaks information, 
a kind of covert covert channel, ironically. If the bids are truly 
untraceable (fat chance--the password scheme looked like a trival, 
breakable Gen 1 security system) then those with knowledge of 
operations can make money by using their knowledge, all untraceably.

This was obvious long before Jim Bell became infamous. Check out 
writings by some of us dating back to 1988.

Once again, government sets itself up as being outside the law. If I 
were to even make a snide remark about the assassination of You Know 
Who, I'd get a visit from the SS.

Fucking proof that D.C. needs to be obliterated in an act of freedom 
fighting. Gets rid of a passal of welfare addicts, too.



--Tim May
Ben Franklin warned us that those who would trade liberty for a little 
bit of temporary security deserve neither. This is the path we are now 
racing down, with American flags fluttering.-- Tim May, on events 
following 9/11/2001

Re: Pentagon discovers Assasination Politics, deadpools

2003-07-29 Thread Bill Frantz

At 10:20 AM -0700 7/29/03, Major Variola (ret.) quoted:
 He said they would recommend that the Pentagon not
spend any funds already
 in place for the program and said they would pull
the plug on it during
 House-Senate budget conference committee
negotiations later on this year.

Note that properly run, this Ideas Futures market would be a money maker,
not a cost center.  For only a modest percentage of the winnings, it could
be self sustaining.  Perhaps someone with a profit motive will pick up the
idea.

If they don't want the label of Assasination Politics, they can forbid
bets on individual deaths, and still have nearly the full field, including
wars, revolutions, nonstandard attacks, and elections available for play.
(c.f. the way eBay and Yahoo limit themselves.)

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RE: Someone at the Pentagon read Shockwave Rider over the weekend

2003-07-29 Thread Trei, Peter

 Tim May[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 09:26  AM, Bill Stewart wrote:
 
  Also, NYT Article was 
  http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/29/politics/29TERR.html?th
 
  But it sounds like they've chickened out, because  various people 
  freaked
  about the implications.  (And they only got as far as it being
  an incentive to commit terrorism, without getting to
  a funding method for terrorism or to Assassination Politics.)
 
 
 
 Not to mention the obvious problems with letting government agents bid 
 on things like when various unwanted foreign leaders would be 
 assassinated. 
 
Over on Dave Farber's IP list, it's been pointed out that there
is a pre-existing, live, real-money market in futures on these
types of events. Go over to www.tradesports.com, and click on
'Current Events' under 'Trading Catagories' on the left. Drill down
and you'll find things like 'WMDs will be found in Iraq on or before
Sept 31', the value of which has dropped from 80 to 25 over the
last few months.

Peter Trei

Re: Someone at the Pentagon read Shockwave Rider over the weekend

On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 11:49  AM, Trei, Peter wrote:

Tim May[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 09:26  AM, Bill Stewart wrote:

Also, NYT Article was
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/29/politics/29TERR.html?th
But it sounds like they've chickened out, because  various people
freaked
about the implications.  (And they only got as far as it being
an incentive to commit terrorism, without getting to
a funding method for terrorism or to Assassination Politics.)

Not to mention the obvious problems with letting government agents bid
on things like when various unwanted foreign leaders would be
assassinated.
Over on Dave Farber's IP list, it's been pointed out that there
is a pre-existing, live, real-money market in futures on these
types of events. Go over to www.tradesports.com, and click on
'Current Events' under 'Trading Catagories' on the left. Drill down
and you'll find things like 'WMDs will be found in Iraq on or before
Sept 31', the value of which has dropped from 80 to 25 over the
last few months.
Yes, a bunch of ideas futures markets have existed for nearly a 
decade. An acquaintance of mine, Robin Hanson, was actively promoting 
such things in the late 80s and may have been involved in some of the 
Extropians-type markets which arose a few years later (I recollect 
several efforts with varying degrees of success).

And several years ago some companies actually tried to built real 
markets around these kinds of predictions. Maybe one of them is the 
contract company (pun intended) on this latest DARPA fantasy.

The problem is not with the idea of using markets and bets and Bayesian 
logic to help do price discovery on things like when the Athlon-64 
will actually reach consumers, or when the new King of Jordan will be 
whacked, and so on. The problem is, rather, with _government_ 
establishing a monopoly on such things while putting suckers like Jim 
Bell in jail basically for espousing such ideas.

And, as I noted, there are significant problems with government 
employees in a betting pool (gee, aren't even office baseball pools 
technically illegal? Haven't they prosecuted some people for this? Yep, 
they have) where they also have control over the outcome. Jim Bell used 
this as a payoff mechanism for assassinations (Alice bets $1000 that 
Paul Wolfowitz will be murdered with his family on August 10, 
2003)...the same logic applies to the government's dead pool.

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Re: Pentagon discovers Assasination Politics, deadpools

2003-07-29 Thread Major Variola (ret)

Re: Pentagon pulls their AP plans..

It was simply too obviously free feedback (marketing data) for their
domestic PSYOPs people.  Now they'll have to go back to interpreting
CNN (etc) polls to find out which way the sheeple are stampeding.

Re: Someone at the Pentagon read Shockwave Rider over the weekend

2003-07-29 Thread Sunder

Yeah, too bad, I would have liked to bet that Poindexter runs for
President or at least VP by 2020   And that if he does make it, by
2024 we'll all be speaking fluent Mandarin...

Hey, after Nixon, Carter, Reagan, two Bushes and a Slick Willie, why the
hell not just vote for an outright criminal?

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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Bill Stewart wrote:

 Also, NYT Article was http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/29/politics/29TERR.html?th
 
 But it sounds like they've chickened out, because  various people freaked
 about the implications.  (And they only got as far as it being
 an incentive to commit terrorism, without getting to
 a funding method for terrorism or to Assassination Politics.)

Re: Someone at the Pentagon read Shockwave Rider over the weekend

2003-07-29 Thread John Young

Tim May wrote:

Yes, a bunch of ideas futures markets have existed for nearly a 
decade. An acquaintance of mine, Robin Hanson, was actively promoting 
such things in the late 80s and may have been involved in some of the 
Extropians-type markets which arose a few years later (I recollect 
several efforts with varying degrees of success).

Yes, Robin Hanson worked on DARPA's PAM program. Here's
his e-mail about it in May 2003:

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http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg03309.html

DARPA markets on MidEast

From: Robin Hanson 
Subject: DARPA markets on MidEast 
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 07:27:22 -0700 

I've been involved for several years in helping DARPA to create 
some markets to help aggregate info on political, military, and 
economic changes in the Middle East, and the effect of US 
policy on such changes. For those interested, we are finally 
going public with some info on these markets: 

www.PolicyAnalysisMarket.org

Robin Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hanson.gmu.edu
Assistant Professor of Economics, George Mason University
MSN 1D3, Carow Hall, Fairfax VA 22030-
703-993-2326 FAX: 703-993-2323 

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Re: Someone at the Pentagon read Shockwave Rider over the weekend

On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 04:20  PM, John Young wrote:

Tim May wrote:

Yes, a bunch of ideas futures markets have existed for nearly a
decade. An acquaintance of mine, Robin Hanson, was actively promoting
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Yes, Robin Hanson worked on DARPA's PAM program. Here's
his e-mail about it in May 2003:
Too bad, as he should have seen the shitstorm which would materialize 
as soon as this actually reached the public radar screen. Now that's 
gone public and been deep-sixed less than 24 hours later, it will 
likely be the end of this particular thing.

An official, above-board version is likely to be ipso facto illegal for 
the same reason office baseball pools are illegal: illegal gambling. If 
the Pentagon can run a betting pool for its employees on when some 
event will happen, office workers can bet on the outcome of the World 
Series, and anyone can bet on the numbers revealed by the Mob.

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AP by any other name ...

2003-07-29 Thread Anonymous

Of the 266 Google news links about Policy Analysis Market this morning, 
most of the headlines trumpet Defense Department Taking Terror Bets. 
Policy Analysis Market is an attempt to use the wisdom of markets to 
predict crises and attacks in the Middle East.  The organizations 
behind the project include the Economist Intelligence unit, the Defense 
Advanced Research Projects Agency (they funded the original Internet), 
and Net Exchange, a spinoff from the California Institute of Technology 
devoted to commercialize  computational combinatorial deal-making 
(CCDM).

PAM states this about the whole concept: Analysts often use prices 
from various markets as indicators of potential  events. The use of 
petroleum futures contract prices by analysts of the Middle East is a 
classic example. The Policy Analysis  Market (PAM) refines this 
approach by trading futures contracts  that deal with underlying 
fundamentals of relevance to the Middle East. Initially, PAM will focus 
on the economic, civil, and military  futures of Egypt, Jordan, Iran, 
Iraq, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Turkey and the impact of U.S. 
involvement with each.

What is controversial is that market futures about the overthrow of 
King Hussein of Jordan were included and have offended politicians 
here in the US and undoubtedly in Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc. . Others 
are upset that a trader can actually make some money if he/she predicts 
fairly accurately.  Trading starts October 1, 2003, and you can signup 
now. There will be a cutoff after 1000 registrants, and while they hope 
to have a globally distributed network of participants, what if a 
significant number were nettime readers?

I first ran into this market concept about ten years ago. The Iowa 
Political Stock Market successfully predicted the outcome of the 1992 
U.S. presidential election within a few tenths of a percentage point 
for all three candidates (including Perot).  It was more accurate than 
8 major polls. Since then there have been many other experiments with 
other markets: Hollywood Stock Exchange where people bet on future box 
office receipts and Foresight Exchange where traders bet on the 
outcomes of unresolved scientific and societal questions.

http://www.hsx.com/ Hollywood Stock Market
http://artificialmarkets.com/ Articficial Markets
http://www.policyanalysismarket.org/ Policy Analysis Market

Re: Someone at the Pentagon read Shockwave Rider over the weekend

On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 03:24  PM, Steve Schear wrote:

At 16:20 2003-07-29 -0700, John Young wrote:
Tim May wrote:

Yes, a bunch of ideas futures markets have existed for nearly a
decade. An acquaintance of mine, Robin Hanson, was actively promoting
such things in the late 80s and may have been involved in some of the
Extropians-type markets which arose a few years later (I recollect
several efforts with varying degrees of success).
Yes, Robin Hanson worked on DARPA's PAM program. Here's
his e-mail about it in May 2003:
Looks like Robin may have to concentrate on a commercial venture if he 
wants to see his ideas put into practice.


And use an offshore nexus, and good anonymity and digital cash 
tools...just as predicted many years ago.

Doing this aboveboard, and doing it with the collusion of the actors 
who can alter the outcome, is asking for trouble:

* violation of gambling laws...as I said in other articles, betting on 
the death of the King of Jordan is not different from betting on the 
winner of the World Series.

* distortion of markets by players who see more benefit in adjusting 
the expectations than in spending some relatively small amount of money

(If Chances that weapons of mass destruction being found in Iraq by 
Nov. 1  is being de-rated, in a relatively thin market of a few dozen 
players, then someone with an interest in altering the odds can 
probably do so with relatively little money...especially if the money 
is from a Black Budget and comes from money taken at gunpoint from 
taxpayers.)

(I can't resist mentioning that I was able to massively 
distort/sabotage the market in reputations that the Extropian list 
experimented with in 1993. I did this by buying play money 
(extro-dollars or whatever they were called) from other players in an 
out-of-band transaction. A mere $20 in U.S. money gave me a huge amount 
of additional spending money in this reputation market. Naturally, my 
reputation rose. Likewise, if Paul Wolfowitz wants the market to assess 
a grave danger that Norway is financing terrorism, he can use 
out-of-band methods to get a bunch of ringers (cut-outs, 
co-conspirators) to start bidding up the market. As the penalty for not 
guessing correctly is not  clear until the outcome, and inasmuch as the 
money is provided by agencies, the opportunities for mischief are 
obvious.)

* Insider trading. Letting government employees benefit from their 
inside information is like letting IBM or Intel employees engage in a 
wagering system based on KNOWLEDGE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE. (Not that 
insider trading is unknown in commodity or stock markets, including 
futures markets. But these markets have traditionally been heavily 
regulated and insider trading is forbidden, at least nominally. In the 
case of this DARPA market, the players are by definition the insiders, 
with various amounts of very non-public information about plans and 
contingincies. Duh.)

And so on. So many attacks on this system.

Anyway, there _already_ are very real, hard to manipulate markets in 
information. We call them markets. Markets for real estate, for corn, 
for copper, etc. If a lot of residents of Jordan think a collapse is 
coming, real estate prices in Amman will fall. If a lot of 
technologists think a return to copper wiring is coming, copper prices 
will rise. And so on.

Betting on contrived propositions with relatively small amounts of 
money (toy systems) and/or with play money is not very interesting.

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