Re: DoS-ing fatherland goons
At 11:01 AM 1/3/04 +0100, privacy.at Anonymous Remailer wrote: - Orchestrated telephone conversations using codewords (thw worm will meet the apple on monday) - Ordering tens of almanacs, etc. WiFi-injected encrypted messages to select TLDs on the List (and beyond --Indonesia suffices). Got Chatter?
Re: Education Be For Whitey
At 10:41 PM 1/2/04 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: And until the Liberatarian utopia you speak of comes to pass, One could close all public schools and voucher tomorrow. I still have the naivety to attempt discussing what kind of system (and realistically reachable from today's world) might actually lift as many blacks and white trailer trash out of their ghettos (in whatever form) and back into the workforce... Simple. Take the infants and put them with parents who subscribe to a culture that values education and work. Then even govt schools won't damage them enought to crush them.
If you drive, you're a slave (Re: Sources and Sinks)
At 08:09 AM 1/3/04 -0500, Michael Kalus wrote: Yes, the way this usually works is that the government builds the road, then sells it to a private company for some money and then the upkeep is handled by the company. It is rather seldom that someone builds a road for a business venture. Come visit SoCal some time. I'll show you some roads built as investments. Many of them. Sometimes, if they fail as investments (hey, we're losing money, lets raise tolls), the investors will sell to the govt ---the opposite of your assertion. But it shouldn't matter to a socialist like you: if I've driven on a taxpayer road, I'm therefore a slave to anyone's (or everyone's) 's need. Anyone who can convince a politicowhore to give them a slice, that is.
Re: Education Be For Whitey
On Jan 3, 2004, at 9:23 AM, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 10:41 PM 1/2/04 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: And until the Liberatarian utopia you speak of comes to pass, One could close all public schools and voucher tomorrow. I came up with a plan which is workable immediately and which does not require substantive changes: Put a partition down the middle of a school building. One side is Blue, the other side is Red. Blue and Red have different academic orientations, different goals. What the goals are and how they are set might arise in different ways, e.g., by a vote of parents, or the backgrounds of the teachers in each, and so on. Not so important. What is important is what follows. As the Blue and Red sides evolve, with perhaps one focusing on academic excellence and the other on social skills, parents could move their children between the sides (say, on a semester by semester basis, to reduce thrashing). As the sizes of the Blue and Red sizes change, the partition would be moved. This gives policy choice within a particular school building, which is a lot less expensive than busing students long distances to get to magnet schools (science, performing arts, crack dealing, etc.). --Tim May They played all kinds of games, kept the House in session all night, and it was a very complicated bill. Maybe a handful of staffers actually read it, but the bill definitely was not available to members before the vote. --Rep. Ron Paul, TX, on how few Congresscritters saw the USA-PATRIOT Bill before voting overwhelmingly to impose a police state
School of the future
Tim May wrote... Put a partition down the middle of a school building. One side is Blue, the other side is Red. Shit. This sounds a lot like my school of the future idea. Basically, in the inner cities the armories are converted into schools, with a giant partition in the middle. On one side are self-learning stations and a small number of instructors. Kids can choose to go to this side of the partition whenever they want, or never. (BUT school is mandatory from 12 to 22, and big Soylent Green-type scoops scoop up the students every morning and dump them into the school.) The other side of the partition is basically a giant gymnasium. Guards with watercannon are stationed in the balcony to break up fights. At graduation, there's a trap door on the gymnasium side, that opens onto a slide leading directly to Rikers. In the extended version, the schools are located out in a gulag, and students live there from ages 10 to 24. There are two jobs in the schools, one is breaking rocks, which are imported from other schools, the other is making rocks in concrete molds, which are exported. Classrooms consist of a teacher behind a plexiglass wall, giving lessons over a loudspeaker that's cranked far higher than any kid could scream or yell. Thus, classroom noise is basically eliminated as a practical concern (the teacher might also have access to watercannon behind the plexiglass wall). As for teachers, the source is clear: those that fail to graduate must teach for a period of 10 to 15 years. -TD From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Education Be For Whitey Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 10:34:13 -0800 On Jan 3, 2004, at 9:23 AM, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 10:41 PM 1/2/04 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: And until the Liberatarian utopia you speak of comes to pass, One could close all public schools and voucher tomorrow. I came up with a plan which is workable immediately and which does not require substantive changes: Put a partition down the middle of a school building. One side is Blue, the other side is Red. Blue and Red have different academic orientations, different goals. What the goals are and how they are set might arise in different ways, e.g., by a vote of parents, or the backgrounds of the teachers in each, and so on. Not so important. What is important is what follows. As the Blue and Red sides evolve, with perhaps one focusing on academic excellence and the other on social skills, parents could move their children between the sides (say, on a semester by semester basis, to reduce thrashing). As the sizes of the Blue and Red sizes change, the partition would be moved. This gives policy choice within a particular school building, which is a lot less expensive than busing students long distances to get to magnet schools (science, performing arts, crack dealing, etc.). --Tim May They played all kinds of games, kept the House in session all night, and it was a very complicated bill. Maybe a handful of staffers actually read it, but the bill definitely was not available to members before the vote. --Rep. Ron Paul, TX, on how few Congresscritters saw the USA-PATRIOT Bill before voting overwhelmingly to impose a police state _ Take advantage of our limited-time introductory offer for dial-up Internet access. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup
Re: Sources and Sinks
-- On 3 Jan 2004 at 8:09, Michael Kalus wrote: Yes, the way this usually works is that the government builds the road, then sells it to a private company for some money and then the upkeep is handled by the company. It is rather seldom that someone builds a road for a business venture. Used to happen all the time, before governments became so intrusive. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG r2w6MRt6gtWxRchZBu1JrSIiuDCvgG7FBMjxy3Vx 4tEo5v7x66WtikBVLHafpzaGm84hGQZvHy0qBcgKn
Re: Sources and Sinks
On Sat, 2004-01-03 at 07:09, Michael Kalus wrote: Where there is no governmental police force, their is demand for private enforcement. And you know what? They regularly do their jobs better than the police. Of course there is no oversight body, so if they use excessive force well, It's all part of doing business and after all they didn't smash YOUR skull so what do you care, right? The only necessary oversight body is the courts. Both public and private police (should) operate under the Rule of Law just like everyone else. As with the public police, if private police have public perception problems related to excessive force, abuse of power, or whatever, they may opt to use a third-party interest to do self-policing by fining, firing, etc (much like pro sports organizations do... contractually). This is strictly a business management decision however, the only legal oversight should be the court. Police (public or private) should be judged and punished (in the legal sense) in the same way any other citizen is. Show me a company that doesn't pay a dime in taxes, please, make it one that actually has employees and does something useful and makes profit. Amuse me and try it out. I don't have a link ready right now, but there were several US corporations as well as some in Germany who did NOT pay any taxes for the past couple of years because of either breaks they got so not to leave, OR because they posted such high losses that they did not post any profit on the books, thus not pay any taxes. Purely for the sake of argument, even if this is correct (which I'm not conceding), a company that is truly in business to make a profit by doing something useful (creating a product, providing a useful service, etc) pays employees who pay taxes, pays employee payroll taxes, pays shareholders who pay taxes, and produces something (product or service) which is almost always taxed, usually in several ways. Just because a company does not pay an income tax DOES NOT mean it isn't heavily taxed in other direct and indirect ways. But all of you who seem to think that social services et al, should be run on a profit maximiation basis, tell me this: How much are you worth in Dollars and cents (or Euros)? I would like to know how much you think you are worth to your friends, family, kids, spouses etc.? I'm not sure what that's got to do with it. (We're talking about essential social services meaning services designed to protect lives, right?) How I value my life is measured by exactly what I will do to protect and enhance my life. I am worth to other people exactly what they would do /voluntarily/ to protect/enhance my life. What that's got to do with whether these services should be privatized or not I'm not sure. Unless you're arguing that (by that definition) I'm not worth very much to very many other people, and since that leaves the responsibility for my life squarely on my own shoulders (and on the shoulders of people I voluntarily engage to start caring about me!). Well, that's the only fair way... coercing other people to care for and by extension pay for my own welfare is immoral and evil. If you care so much for everyone else's welfare, there's plenty of charities you can voluntarily donate your money to that will be happy to look after everyone else. Oh, most people are selfish and wouldn't /voluntarily/ give 30-50% of their money away to total strangers (favoring their own families and close friends instead)? Then please explain how it's moral to FORCE them! (Jeez, I just recently got back onto this list after a several-year hiatus. How the hell did so many statists ever get the idea that ubiquitous cryptography would ever further their goals? Or are they just here to distract us with statism vs liberty type political debates so we can't get any real work done??) --bgt
So many statists
On Jan 3, 2004, at 3:01 PM, bgt wrote: (Jeez, I just recently got back onto this list after a several-year hiatus. How the hell did so many statists ever get the idea that ubiquitous cryptography would ever further their goals? Or are they just here to distract us with statism vs liberty type political debates so we can't get any real work done??) Most of those now posting (and maybe most of those subscribed, but I am only speculating) are various eurotrash lefties and anti-globalist activists who decided that crypto is cool after their anti-corporate, anti-choice rallies in Seattle, Milano, and other cities shut down by the Yippie marches and barricades. I assume they figured that since they were using PGP to communicate with their fellow anti-capitalists, that crypto must be cool (I'm not sure if they favor the negro term, bad, or the traditional term, good, so I'll use the term of my generation, cool.) Are they confused? Yep. Welcome to the Gen X and Gen Y (and soon) the Gen Z world. Crypto be bad, dog! This nigga be bouncin'! I'm actually glad to see that Cypherpunks nodes are winding down, that we no longer have monthly meetings, and that the Movement is ending. Better that than to see it hijacked by the eurotrash lefties, New York collectivists, and anti-globalist warriors against free trade. --Tim May, Corralitos, California Quote of the Month: It is said that there are no atheists in foxholes; perhaps there are no true libertarians in times of terrorist attacks. --Cathy Young, Reason Magazine, both enemies of liberty.
Re: So many statists
Tim has become so proprietary about cypherpunks it's strange that he's never operated a node himself, or underwritten all of them in the generous spirit of John Gilmore. Maybe Tim has been underwriting them quietly and that accounts for his obnoxious bitching when the discourse doesn't go the way he wants it -- he being a believer in getting good head for his money, or else, plonk the hoes. Drug dealers work the same model, as do pimps, and bandits, and big-shit right-wing thugs CEOs, none of whom love the urchins who drain their pickles, generate their wealth, instead they yarp the Calvinist creed that economic success equates with superior human value, that if you're not wealthy you're not of much account, rather than admit the evidence that the opposite is most often true, that wealthy people are some of the dumbest people on earth, fountainheads of blather, and got to have obsequious minions -- usually (low) paid, but if not then brainwashed -- on hand at all times to listen to their cantankerous tommyrot fantasies ever-generated to avoid pondering the consequences of their brutish exploitation. Tim repeatedly abandons cyperpunks when one of his spews gets dissed. Goes elsewhere looking for admirers or newbies to pound, and if pounded back, comes back to cypherpunks to plead to ye old tyme succor, parading his past accomplishments to see who'll applaud. Same same same comes out of idlers worldwide, the wealthy ones the most so. But even welfare cheats talk Tim's talk, rather Tim whines like welfare cheats, both sharing contempt for people like themselves, but hoping by blaming others their own shiftlessness will be overlooked. There are wealthy people who don't suffer Tim's conceited warped negativizing narcissism. Some of them have supported cypherpunks with far more than derivative, endlessly recycled opinions and braggardy. True, these goodhearts are the exception among typically vile successful assholes, but they save the whole rotten barrel of the rich from getting what it deserves. That is why Tim fears Gilmore's courage, envy.
RE: So many statists...uh, who gives a crap?
Tim May wrote... I assume they figured that since they were using PGP to communicate with their fellow anti-capitalists, that crypto must be cool Here's the question Tyler Durden has for you. Which is more important...annhiliation of the state, or getting a bunch of list subscribers to agree that annhiation of the state is a good thing? You yourself have claimed to be something of a techno determinist. In other words, you've made a good case that Strong crypto will eventually lead to collapse of the state...people's BELIEF about the implications of strong crypto are largely irrelevant. Eurotrash, New York Collectivists and so on should be given nice, big fat pat on the backs, so long as this will encourage proliferation of strong crypto. Who gives a crap what people BELIEVE? In fact, I'd argue that, if your beliefs prove to be correct, then making people see the implications of strong crypto is ultimately probably a bad thing...not everyone wants to wreck the state. Some people WANT to be able to boss others around (or at least want someone else to be doing this). Hell, probably most human beings in 2003 are in this category. -TD Me? I like the Protestant reformation analogy: I'm not convinced strong crypto will necessarily lead to destruction of the state, just like the reformation didn't lead to destruction of the Catholic church. However, in the long run, whatever emerges has got to be better than what we've got today. From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: So many statists Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:06:35 -0800 On Jan 3, 2004, at 3:01 PM, bgt wrote: (Jeez, I just recently got back onto this list after a several-year hiatus. How the hell did so many statists ever get the idea that ubiquitous cryptography would ever further their goals? Or are they just here to distract us with statism vs liberty type political debates so we can't get any real work done??) Most of those now posting (and maybe most of those subscribed, but I am only speculating) are various eurotrash lefties and anti-globalist activists who decided that crypto is cool after their anti-corporate, anti-choice rallies in Seattle, Milano, and other cities shut down by the Yippie marches and barricades. I assume they figured that since they were using PGP to communicate with their fellow anti-capitalists, that crypto must be cool (I'm not sure if they favor the negro term, bad, or the traditional term, good, so I'll use the term of my generation, cool.) Are they confused? Yep. Welcome to the Gen X and Gen Y (and soon) the Gen Z world. Crypto be bad, dog! This nigga be bouncin'! I'm actually glad to see that Cypherpunks nodes are winding down, that we no longer have monthly meetings, and that the Movement is ending. Better that than to see it hijacked by the eurotrash lefties, New York collectivists, and anti-globalist warriors against free trade. --Tim May, Corralitos, California Quote of the Month: It is said that there are no atheists in foxholes; perhaps there are no true libertarians in times of terrorist attacks. --Cathy Young, Reason Magazine, both enemies of liberty. _ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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Re: Alt.cypherpunks will be where I do most of my posting
On Sat, 2004-01-03 at 02:19, James A. Donald wrote: And to get back to the topic of this thread. I cannot see anything but random deranged crap in alt.cypherpunks -- maybe I need to adjust my filters, but there does not seem to be any signal in the noise. I don't see anything on alt.cypherpunks, except for a test message I put up a couple of days ago. Alas, my ISP, having been bought out recently, has become unresponsive. (Yah, I know there are work-arounds for getting newsgroups which are not carried by your ISP, but they are _work_-arounds, which involve work, which involves time, which I have only in short supply.)
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