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Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II
Steve Furlong wrote: On Sun, 2004-02-29 at 17:19, Major Variola (ret.) forwarded: Blix says US spied on him over Iraq ... It feels like an intrusion into your integrity in a situation when you are actually on the same side. Begging the question of whether Blix was actually on the same side as the Brits or the US. Indeed, he was supposed to represent the UN, not the USA, nor the UK. It says quite a whole lot when someone who should have been fair and balanced (ribbing Fox) to all sides involved thought himself to be on the same side of only one part of the equation, then found himself bugged by that side.
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RE: Gentlemen reading mail part II
Interesting. I guess my basic question is, is there a subset of counter-surveillance actions that can be taken that, while not ensuring secure communications, forces eavesdropping parties to take 'radical' measures in order to obtain the desired information? In other words, if they have to deploy a black-bag operation every few weeks, then that makes the odds of them being 'outed' sooner rather than later much greater. It might even deter survelliance except when it really counts. But then again, if the walls really have ears, then there's not much that can be done. Perhaps Koffi Annan was completely aware of this but counted on normal diplomatic protocol to prevent embarrasing and public exposures...(and that may be all that's really needed at the UN after all...) -TD From: Major Variola (ret.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Gentlemen reading mail part II Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:19:13 -0800 Blix says US spied on him over Iraq Reuters London Feb 28: Former chief United Nations weapons inspector Mr Hans Blix said today he suspected the United States bugged his office and home in the run-up to the Iraq war, but had no hard evidence. Describing such behaviour as disgusting, Mr Blix told Britains Guardian newspaper in an interview: It feels like an intrusion into your integrity in a situation when you are actually on the same side. His allegation came on top of a diplomatic row sparked this week when former British minister Ms Clare Short said Britain bugged UN Secretary General Mr Kofi Annans office as London and Washington tried but failed to win UN backing to invade Iraq. Mr Blix said his suspicions were raised when he had trouble with a telephone connection at home. It might have been something trivial or it might have been something installed somewhere, I dont know, he said. The Swede said he asked UN counter-surveillance teams to check his office and home for listening devices. If you had something sensitive to talk about you would go out into the restaurant or out into the streets, said Mr Blix. He said US state department envoy Mr John Wolf visited him two weeks before the Iraq war with pictures of an Iraqi drone and a cluster bomb that the former inspector believed could have been secured only from within the UN weapons office. He should not have had them. I asked him how he got them and he would not tell me, Mr Blix said. It could have been some staff belonging to us that handed them to the Americans... It could also be that they managed to break into the secure fax and got it that way, he said. Ms Short, in government before and during the Iraq war, said on Thursday she had seen transcripts of what she said were bugged accounts of Mr Annans conversations. She resigned after the war. The British Prime Minister, Mr Tony Blair accused her of being irresponsible and of undermining intelligence services at a time when Britain faced a threat of attack from Islamic militants. Blair said British security services acted within domestic and international law. But UN spokesman Mr Fred Eckhard said Mr Annan would seek a fuller explanation from Britain on the allegations, saying any attempt to eavesdrop on the Secretary General was illegal and should stop as it would violate three international treaties. Mr Blair warned critics like Ms Short that unless they buried differences they risked ousting his Labour Party from power as it prepares to fight a general election expected in 2005. Former UN secretary-general Mr Boutros Boutros-Ghali and another former chief UN weapons inspector, Mr Richard Butler, said yesterday they believed they had been spied on. From the first day I entered my office they told me: beware, your office is bugged, your residence is bugged, Mr Boutros-Ghali told the BBC. It is a tradition that member states that have the technical capacity to bug will do it without hesitation, he said. http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=newsStory_ID=022910 _ Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx
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Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II
Tyler Durden wrote: Interesting. I guess my basic question is, is there a subset of counter-surveillance actions that can be taken that, while not ensuring secure communications, forces eavesdropping parties to take 'radical' measures in order to obtain the desired information? In other words, if they have to deploy a black-bag operation every few weeks, then that makes the odds of them being 'outed' sooner rather than later much greater. It might even deter survelliance except when it really counts. But then again, if the walls really have ears, then there's not much that can be done. Perhaps Koffi Annan was completely aware of this but counted on normal diplomatic protocol to prevent embarrasing and public exposures...(and that may be all that's really needed at the UN after all...) Sure there is. Plenty. You feed'em barium and see how they react - or if they somehow tip their hand by acting on the information fed to them. In this case, that would have been unlikely useful as these are pros. For example, one way to piss them off is to attempt to sing when you have zero singing skills, and do it for hours on end, purposely off key, abusing whatever instrument is available... Or playing something very annoying/disturbing over and over again... Large doses of Aphex Twin or Beavis and Butthead, dogs barking, etc. Ditto on unimportant phone and cell conversations, especially while driving in your car, or for even more phone fun, call yourself from the cell phone and let the minutes add up and playing some of the above, or better yet, put the cell phone and phone handset together and let the sweet digital feedback built up. Whatever you're paying in cellphone minutes is far less than what they're wasting on surveillance, that's for sure. Or, instead of having fun with them, you go about your business pretending to be on the side of those bugging you, then do whatever it is you need to do anyway and surprise them at the last moment. This involves typing one memo on your desk computer in the office, and delivering a totally different - perhaps handwritten at the last moment before it's actually needed, then make lots of public noise loudly about being hampered, etc. (This is likely what he did to avoid being found in the woods with his wrists slashed...) [Hmmm, I really should have substituted that you with the more English one in order to clarify that I don't mean the nym known as Tyler Durden, of course... but that would be a bit too British for my taste.] :)
Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II (opsec review)
At 09:46 AM 3/1/04 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: I guess my basic question is, is there a subset of counter-surveillance actions that can be taken that, while not ensuring secure communications, forces eavesdropping parties to take 'radical' measures in order to obtain the desired information? Sunder's suggestion of introducing information and watching for their response is good, though the Adversary will not respond if they're smart and they're watching you for something more important. (What was that Brit town sacrificed so the Germans wouldn't know the codes were broken? Starts with C...) In order to avoid places with ears (and homeless people with directional mics, see _Enemy of the State_) go to a park that you haven't been to before. And perform the usual CI driving maneuvres (see that Tomlinson book _The Big Breach_ for a description.. lets just say that a few sudden right turns can be useful) on the way. Or perhaps given GPS gizmos, take a bus. Leave your cell phone at home, or better, send it through the mail (left on) to yourself :-) -- Only amateurs attack machines; professionals target people. Bruce Schneier The ultimate in paranoia is not when everyone is against you but when everything is against you. P.K.Dick
Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II (opsec review)
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Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II (opsec review)
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Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II (opsec review)
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Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II
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Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II (opsec review)
Justin says: If they know you're trying to shake them, that alerts them and eliminates any opportunity you might have otherwise had to feed them misinformation in the future. That's when you strap on the C-4 vest. Zombie Monger
Re: [Users] Announce: FreeS/WAN Project Ending
good news snipped :) And sure, you use FreeS/WAN, and a company I used to work for used it too. There are employees of many other companies who post to the FreeS/WAN lists. But that's hardly representative of the majority of companies. Majority as in number of employees, or as in count? Do mom-and-pop shops count as companies? Do we count majority as a share of all companies, or only as a share of some-kind-of-a-VPN users?
Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II (opsec review)
At 10:01 AM -0800 3/1/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: (What was that Brit town sacrificed so the Germans wouldn't know the codes were broken? Starts with C...) Coventry... Ancient cathedral, etc... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II (opsec review)
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