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Re: [osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet

[alan]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:

> Remember too that terrorism is really a form of PR, rather than (in most 
> cases) an actual destruction of infrastructure or whatnot. Smart terrorists 
> will obviously leverage any channel available to cause a population to view 
> their world as unstable.
> 
> Also remember too that plans such as this may be "fishing"...in other words, 
> communications in the hope that somebody out there (not directly known to 
> the issuer of the communique) will take the info and work out his own plans 
> for attacking the target.
> 
> I'm sure our boys at the School of the Americas (or whatever it's called 
> now) use these mthods all the time. In fact, they're probably the ones who 
> taught the Mujahadin (and bin Laden) a lot of these techniques.

Also don't forget that by telling people where you "plan" to attack, you 
get them to spend a bunch of money that they would not have already spent.

Give them enough "targets" and they will be chasing shadows all over the 
place.  When they have done this enough, the oposition will not know what 
to believe.

A mind-fuck is a terrible thing to waste.

> 
> -TD
> 
> 
> >From: "R. A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: Thomas Shaddack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet
> >Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:05:53 -0400
> >
> >At 10:45 PM +0200 6/14/04, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
> > >It may be also a very cheap method of "attack".
> >
> >True enough.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >RAH
> >
> >--
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> >
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Re: [osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet

[R. A. Hettinga]

At 6:12 PM -0400 6/14/04, Sunder wrote:
>Or it could just be agitprop meant to raise the theat level back up a
>notch, or provide more funding to the surveillance kitty.
>
>On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
>
>> At 10:45 PM +0200 6/14/04, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
>> >It may be also a very cheap method of "attack".
>>
>> True enough.

I usually apply occam's razor to these things, but, around here, that's
cheating...

:-)

Cheers,
RAH

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Re: [osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet

[Sunder]

Or it could just be agitprop meant to raise the theat level back up a 
notch, or provide more funding to the surveillance kitty.

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, R. A. Hettinga wrote:

> At 10:45 PM +0200 6/14/04, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
> >It may be also a very cheap method of "attack".
> 
> True enough.

Re: [osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet

[Tyler Durden]

Remember too that terrorism is really a form of PR, rather than (in most 
cases) an actual destruction of infrastructure or whatnot. Smart terrorists 
will obviously leverage any channel available to cause a population to view 
their world as unstable.

Also remember too that plans such as this may be "fishing"...in other words, 
communications in the hope that somebody out there (not directly known to 
the issuer of the communique) will take the info and work out his own plans 
for attacking the target.

I'm sure our boys at the School of the Americas (or whatever it's called 
now) use these mthods all the time. In fact, they're probably the ones who 
taught the Mujahadin (and bin Laden) a lot of these techniques.

-TD

From: "R. A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Thomas Shaddack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:05:53 -0400
At 10:45 PM +0200 6/14/04, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
>It may be also a very cheap method of "attack".
True enough.
Cheers,
RAH
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Re: [osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet

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At 10:45 PM +0200 6/14/04, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
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True enough.

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[osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet

[R. A. Hettinga]

I can't stop laughing. *This* is why the west will win.

They post their plans, in the clear.

Cheers,
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Of course, various idiots out there will call this a reason to censor the
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Subject: [osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet
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1 June 2004 - Assassination Plans Found On Internet

ASSASINATION PLANS AGAINST SAUDI ARABIA'S MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR Prince
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analysts and submitted to the appropriate authorities.

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while the Prince is in transit.

The plans, authored by Abu Hajar Abdel Aziz al-Moqrin, the leader of al
Qaeda in Saudi Arabia and the man who claimed responsibility for the attack
on the residential complex in Saudi Arabia last Saturday, outlined Prince
Nayif's itinerary, manner and route of travel, personal security, and
planned method of attack using rocket propelled grenades.

The detailed plans were found in Issue 11 of Camp al Battar, a well known
military-style training manual referenced by terrorists and published
regularly on an elusive Internet forum. The translated communication can be
found at www.homelandsecurityus.com in addition to the audio statement of
Abu Hajar Abdel Aziz al-Moqrin claiming responsibility for the attack at
APICORP in Khobar, Saudi Arabia.

Translated from Arabic:

The target: Nayef Bin Abdul Aziz. He will attend a reception of external
security personel in a secret visit of the queen at King Khaled
International Airport.

Specification of the target: Nayef Bin Abd Al-Aziz Al Saud .

Personal information:

Name: Nayef Bin Abd Al-Aziz Al Saud .

Age: 71 years born in 1933.

Position: the Saudi Minister of Interior.

Residence address: the Gardens - several palaces (the present palace in
Arqa, also the Mother's palace, and several other palaces that he
frequents).

Daily routine: He goes to sleep shortly before dawn, and goes to the
ministry some days at 7 o'clock at night until eight thirty, resting in the
evenings, and attending parties, and private meetings.

Number of guards: 8 persons

Typed of armament: light .

The guards can be targeted as they descend from the care; they are near
but not too close.

The movement of the procession: it blocks off the roads, and they drive
the target car in the midst of the procession with similar cars possibly to
provide a camouflage procession.

The guarding crew breaks up any surveillance.

The guarding crew varies the route at times..

The number of guarding cars in the procession: (not less than ten cars
and their job is to opened the highway). The first car, with the oscillation
light, then the cars for personal protection, then the cars in which the
targets are found which are probably similar in color and model and without
numbers or with similar numbers to the protection cars, then the patrol cars
that close the procession. Sometimes there is a smaller procession without
the target that moves in side streets.

The target changes its car.

Mostly uses the same car, which is not easy to approach since the
highways are closed.

Route information: From Arqa palace to the airport, 40 kilos.

Route Description: From Arqa, take the western circular, then the
northern circular, then the airport highway, with the probability of moving
onto other roads:

(Arqa - Khris highway, Jabber Alsabah's highway, the northern circular,
the airport highway).

(Arqa - Ad Dir Iyah, Alamaria parting, then move in an easterly
direction and return to the specialize route to the airport highway ).

Schedule

The time of departure for the reception: on 15 / 4 / 1425 AH

The departure time: at six at night .

The arrival time: 25 minutes after 6 .

The side streets: many sides streets come from the circular exits ( 4 -
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Re: [osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet

[Thomas Shaddack]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, R. A. Hettinga wrote:

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> They post their plans, in the clear.

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CyberAds, Inc. (OTC BB: CYAD)
Current Price: $1.05
Shares Outstanding: 18.33 Million
Market Capitalization: $19.25 Million
Short Term Target: $2.70
12 Month Target:   $10.00




CyberAds, Inc. (OTCBB:CYAD) is an emerging conglomerate in the making with diversified 
and rapidly expanding operations
in real_estate development, retail sales, and the Internet.  Through a series of 
strategic acquisitions, the Company has been able
to build its assets to over $10 million in less than six months, and is poised to 
reach total assets of more than $100 million within the next 12 months!


CYAD’s st0ck is poised for tremendous near term growth and on the heels of a recent 
feature on CNBC’s “Squawk Box” television program, CYAD has become
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investments we have seen over the last year, and with a market price of
$1.04 represents a tremendous opportunity to make short-term profits. A recent analyst 
report from Katrina Wolf of Blue Star Trading Group confirms this,
stating that “CYAD seems poised to move much higher, and this could be the last time 
we see the extremely undervalued prices available at the moment”,
setting a price target of $10.00 per share.  At current trading levels, CYAD presents 
a unique opportunity for investors to buy in during a pullback and
see rapid appreciation of their investment as CYAD continues to gain market attention.


Real_estate_development is the primary focus of the Company’s efforts and recent 
months have seen major new growth opportunities with the acquisition of a
22% stake in The Vineyards Country Club project- a luxury motor coach country club, 
near Palm Springs. Vineyard Country Club is an innovative development
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CYAD intends to increase its ownership stake in this project over the next several 
months and plans to become the majority shareholder over the next year.
The Company plans to pursue additional real_estate development projects, and has 
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1. CYAD has built a first class management team composed of experienced executives 
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 development of land, regulatory issues, and construction oversight. The consumer 
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2. CyberAds has been able to develop solid financial positions with significant assets 
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$7.5 million to approximately $2 million. Based on letters of intent
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net assets to improve to $50 million by the end of Q2 and reach $100
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(fwd) The Merits in Newdow

[Justin]

Christ.  The U.S. is now officially a Christian nation.

- Forwarded message from Marty Lederman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -

Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:56:31 -0400
To: Conlawprof List; Law & Religion issues for Law Academics List
Subject: The Merits in Newdow

The collection of concurrences on the merits are quite interesting.  The Chief's 
opinion adopts the SG's argument -- darn-near-preposterous, IMHO (and that of Justice 
Thomas!) -- that the Pledge is OK in schools because "under God" is "not endorsement 
of any religion," but instead "a simple recognition of the fact [that] '[f]rom the 
time of our earliest history our peoples and our institutions have reflected the 
traditional concept that our Nation was founded on a fundamental belief in God.'"  

Justice O'Connor joins the Chief's opinion, but writes separately to suggest that the 
Pledge in schools is ok only because of a confluence of "four factors" that will 
virtually never again appear in combination in any other case.  This result derives 
directly from pages 24-29 of the amicus brief that Doug Laycock wrote:  
http://goldsteinhowe.com/blog/files/newdow.laycock.pdf.

Justice Thomas concludes -- correctly, in my view, see 
http://www.goldsteinhowe.com/blog/files/Newdow%20Final%20Brief.pdf -- that if Lee v. 
Weisman was correctly decided, then public schools may not lead students in daily 
recitation of the words "under God."  Thomas, however, would overrule Lee.

> http://supct.law.cornell.edu:8080/supct/html/02-1624.ZS.html

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Re: War ain't beanbag....What the F*ck?

[Tyler Durden]

Justin wrote...
I haven't lived in China, but my impression of the country leads me to
believe otherwise.  If it's not *quite* socialist, it's fascist.

As above, this doesn't seem right.  Hong Kong might be a major capitalist
center of operations, but Hong Kong is not really China, socioeconomically
speaking.
Mainland China is already a capitalist giant. It's also arguably fascist, at 
least from an American's point of view. But if you don't f*ck with 
politicians, you can cut almost whatever deal you want. Start criticisizng 
Zhong Non Hai and your eyeballs will end up giving sight to some aging 
businessman or party bigshot (which basically means an aging businessman 
these days).


A majority screwing up a country is not "letting them figure things out on
their own".  Maybe we should have let the Japanese figure things out by
themselves once they surrendered?  Germany?  No funds to rebuild France.
Oh, I want to live in *that* world, where we may not have won the cold
war.
Well, there's a difference here. It's one thing to rebuild a country after 
we've gone to war with them, but messing with a country's internal politics 
and destabilising their local governments is a different story. And indeed, 
none of the countries where we've performed such duties (with our help from 
our friends in the SOAs) currently have a particularly stable economy, 
though Argentina is finally showing some dim hope.

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[R. A. Hettinga]

The New York Times

June 13, 2004
OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR

This Spy for Rent
By JAMES BAMFORD

ASHINGTON

Assessing, cultivating and recruiting spies has long been a key job of
Central Intelligence Agency officers. But now it is the C.I.A. officers
themselves who are being assessed, cultivated and recruited - sometimes
right out of the agency's cafeteria. In what is leading to a critical spy
drain, private companies are aggressively seeking highly trained employees
of our espionage agencies to fill government contracts.

 With the resignation of George Tenet as director of central intelligence
and the final hearings of the 9/11 commission this week, the stage is set
for the first major restructuring of the intelligence community in decades.
While there has been much discussion of moving agencies and creating an
"intelligence czar," the privatization of our spies has been largely
overlooked.

 The C.I.A. is awash in money as a result of post-9/11 budget increases.
But because of the general uncertainty over the future, it faces a long
delay before it can recruit, train and develop a new generation of spies
and analysts. So for now it is building up its staff by turning to the
"intelligence-industrial complex."

These corporations range from Fortune 500 giants like Booz Allen Hamilton
and Northrop Grumman to small companies made up almost entirely of former
senior C.I.A. officers, like the Abraxas Corporation in McLean, Va. For
example, one Abraxas expert, Mary Nayak, formerly ran the Directorate of
Intelligence's South Asia group; now she's been hired as a consultant to
the C.I.A.'s review group on 9/11.

 Private contractors are taking over jobs once reserved for highly trained
agency employees: regional desk officers who control clandestine operations
around the world; watch officers at the 24-hour crisis center; analysts who
sift through reams of intelligence data; counterintelligence officers who
oversee clandestine meetings between agency officers and their recruited
spies; and reports officers who act as liaisons between officers in the
field and analysts back at headquarters.

While there is nothing inherently wrong with the intelligence community
working closely with private industry, there is the potential for trouble
unless the union is closely monitored. Because the issue is hidden under
the C.I.A.'s heavy layers of secrecy, it is impossible for even Congress to
get accurate figures on just how much money and how many people are
involved. But many experts inside and outside the agency feel that we are
talking about hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of contractors.

 As was made clear by the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, involving private
contractors in sensitive intelligence operations can lead to disaster. And
the potential for disaster only grows when not just the agents on the
ground, but their supervisors and controllers back at headquarters too, are
working for some private company.

Another problem has been an increased cost to taxpayers. Desperate to fill
their contracts, the companies frequently offer to double a federal
employee's salary. Because the recruiters have security clearances, they
often make their recruiting pitches at the C.I.A.'s headquarters in
Langley, Va. And many of those who do sign on end up going right back to
their old office - only now working for a private company. Thus, after
spending millions of dollars training people to be clandestine officers,
taxpayers are having to pay them twice as much to return as rent-a-spies.

"The money is incredible," one agency veteran, who handled spies overseas
for years, told me. "I doubled my salary to go out and come back in and
continue doing what I was doing."

 But some of these former officers warned me that their talents are being
wasted on unsophisticated tasks, and that because of the slap-dash nature
of the rush to expand, the quality of intelligence produced has become
questionable. "The problem is these jobs are mindless," one
officer-turned-contractor with decades of Middle East experience told me.
"So we're all just sitting there looking at each other, and we're making a
ridiculous amount of money."

 Another former agency employee told me that he was among a group of
contractors assigned to analyze e-mail messages on computer hard drives
snatched by operatives in Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries. "A lot of
it was in Arabic and none of us spoke Arabic - just a little problem," he
said. "None of us really knew what we were doing and we had management who
didn't know what they were doing either."

 As the United States gets more deeply involved in the war on terrorism and
the war in Iraq, there will be a corresponding increase in private spies.
This isn't all bad: by marrying well-trained federal employees with
innovative contractors working in a less structured role, perhaps we can
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