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Re: Most Disturbing Yet - Senate Wants Database Dragnet
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Re: Quantum cryptography gets practical
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http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,65242,00.html
Senate Wants Database Dragnet
By Ryan Singel
02:00 AM Oct. 06, 2004 PT
The Senate could pass a bill as early as Wednesday evening that would let
government counter-terrorist investigators instantly query a massive
system of interconnected commercial and government databases that hold
billions of records on Americans.
The proposed network is based on the Markle Foundation Task Force's
December 2003 report, which envisioned a system that would allow FBI and
CIA agents, as well as police officers and some companies, to quickly
search intelligence, criminal and commercial databases. The proposal is so
radical, the bill allocates $50 million just to fund the system's
specifications and privacy policies.
SNIP
To prevent abuses of the system, the Markle task force recommended
anonymized technology, graduated levels of permission-based access and
automated auditing software constantly hunting for abuses.
{Huh? How would anonimized access PREVENT abuses?}
An appendix to the report went so far as to suggest that the system should
identify known associates of the terrorist suspect, within 30 seconds,
using shared addressees, records of phone calls to and from the suspect's
phone, e-mails to and from the suspect's accounts, financial transactions,
travel history and reservations, and common memberships in organizations,
including (with appropriate safeguards) religious and expressive
organizations.
SNIP
--Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos---
+ ^ + :Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. /|\
\|/ :They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country /\|/\
--*--:and our people, and neither do we. -G. W. Bush, 2004.08.05 \/|\/
/|\ : \|/
+ v + :War is Peace, freedom is slavery, Bush is President.
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Re: City Challenged on Fingerprinting Protesters
At 05:06 PM 10/6/04 +0100, Dave Howe wrote:
Major Variola (ret) wrote:
There is a bill in this year's Ca election to require DNA sampling of
anyone arrested. Not convicted of a felony, but arrested.
[as in arrested for protesting]
Doesn't surprise me - the UK police collected a huge bunch of
fingerprints and dna samples for elimination purposes during one of
the child-murder witchhunts, with written promises given that the
samples were just for that one task, and would be destroyed once the
hunt was over.
They still kept them anyway of course, and made them the basis for
their
new national dna database.
The UK is a fantastic example of the US in a few years. In a way,
the UK population are beta testers for the statism of the future here.
If it passes in the UK, they'll try it in the US in a 'wee bit'.
Its when Ross Anderson ends up detained as an enemy combatant
that the sleeper cells (tm) will be triggered.
Not only DNA, of course; surveillance cameras, papers on demand,
domestic CIA (MI-blah) powers, etc. And y'all are our obediant and
faithful military poodles. Only the Aussies and Iberians have gotten
the feedback though. Your turn will come. Batman in a turban, mofo.
We sympathize, of course, protestant angliospeaking folks are regarded
as human, but bemoan your lack of constitutional
protections (here my more cynical friends accuse me of bill-o'-rights
religion)
and you must pay penance for Benny Hill, anyway.
insert Franklin's security for freedom subversion here
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No one expects the BSA (in a silly voice)
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\begin{TMay}
Funny how those needing killing are nearly universally elected or
appointed...
what was that old-school Frog's comment about democracy?
\end{TMay}
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Implant replaces ID cards for access to restricted areas.
Mexican Attorney General, Staff Get Chip Implants Implant replaces ID cards for access to restricted areas. The Attorney General of Mexico, Rafael Macedo de la Concha, recently announced at the opening of Mexico's National Information Center that he and some of his staff had been implanted with VeriChips to replace their ID tags for access to restricted areas, and to access the country's crime database. http://www.govtech.net/magazine/channel_story.php?channel=24id=90885
Re: Quantum cryptography gets practical
Oops. You're right. It's been a while. Both photons are not utilized, but there's a Private channel and a public channel. As for MITM attacks, however, it seems I was right more or less by accident, and the collapsed ring configuration seen in many tightly packed metro areas (where potential customers of Quantum Key Exchange reside) does indeed make such attacks much easier. Come to think of it, an intruder that were able to gain access to a CO without having to notify the public (Patriot Act) should easily be able to insert themselves into a QKE client's network and then do whatever they want to (provided, of course, they have the means to crack the 'regular' encryption scheme used to encode the bits--NSA). Which means that, should a $75K/year NSA employee want to strike it really, really rich, they'd be able to procure advanced notice of any mergers/acquisition deals. -TD From: Dave Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quantum cryptography gets practical Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 11:26:32 +0100 Tyler Durden wrote: An interesting thing to think about is the fact that in dense metro areas, you pretty much have a star from the CO out to a premise (which is the cause of deployment of Collapsed SONET Rings). This means the other photon of your encrypted pair might easily pass through the same CO somewhere, which would make the system suscpetible to a sort of man in the middle attack. Or at least, your fancy quantum crypto system has defaulted back to standard crypto in terms of its un-hackability. Unless I am mistaken as to the Quantum Key Exchange process, only one photon is ever transmitted, with a known orientation; the system doesn't use entanglement AFAIK. I note also that, as QKE is *extremely* vulnerable to MitM attacks, a hybrid system (which need only be tactically secure, not strategically secure) can be used to lock out a MitM attacker for long enough that his presence can be detected, without having to resort to a classical but unblockable out of band data stream. I think this is part of the purpose behind the following paper: http://eprint.iacr.org/2004/229.pdf which I am currently trying to understand and failing miserably at *sigh* Moral of this story is, even if this thing is useful, you'll probably have a very hard time finding a place it can be deployed and still retain its advantages. I have yet to see an advantage to QKE that even mildly justifies the limitations and cost over anything more than a trivial link (two buildings within easy walking distance, sending high volumes of extremely sensitive material between them) -TD From: Dave Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Email List: Cryptography [EMAIL PROTECTED],Email List: Cypherpunks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: QC Hype Watch: Quantum cryptography gets practical Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 17:48:30 +0100 R. A. Hettinga wrote: Two factors have made this possible: the vast stretches of optical fiber (lit and dark) laid in metropolitan areas, which very conveniently was laid from one of your customers to another of your customers (not between telcos?) - or are they talking only having to lay new links for the last mile and splicing in one of the existing dark fibres (presumably ones without any repeaters on it) _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: Most Disturbing Yet - Senate Wants Database Dragnet
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 06:19:43AM -0400, Sunder wrote:
SNIP
To prevent abuses of the system, the Markle task force recommended
anonymized technology, graduated levels of permission-based access and
automated auditing software constantly hunting for abuses.
{Huh? How would anonimized access PREVENT abuses?}
One would hope that they meant anonymizing the subjects, much the same way some
medical databases are. It's nontrivial to implement well, though. And more
likely than not it won't be implemented at all, since it's much easier to just
give everyone full search abilities.
-Jack
Re: Quantum cryptography gets practical
Tyler Durden wrote: Oops. You're right. It's been a while. Both photons are not utilized, but there's a Private channel and a public channel. As for MITM attacks, however, it seems I was right more or less by accident, and the collapsed ring configuration seen in many tightly packed metro areas (where potential customers of Quantum Key Exchange reside) does indeed make such attacks much easier. Come to think of it, an intruder that were able to gain access to a CO without having to notify the public (Patriot Act) should easily be able to insert themselves into a QKE client's network and then do whatever they want to (provided, of course, they have the means to crack the 'regular' encryption scheme used to encode the bits--NSA). Which means that, should a $75K/year NSA employee want to strike it really, really rich, they'd be able to procure advanced notice of any mergers/acquisition deals. Unless someone has come up with a new wrinkle to this since I last looked, the QKE system indeed requires three channels - the key photon one which must be optical, and a conventional comms pair (the latter of course can be substituted with any comms pair you have handy, but if you are running fibre from A to B you might as well run three) As all three require MiTM to be mounted, it would be better to have a physically diverse path for the conventional pair - but in a small city where you are patching the optical channel though the nearest exchange, this may not be practicable. The regular encryption scheme (last I looked at a QKE product) was XOR
Re: Quantum cryptography gets practical
On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 14:50, Dave Howe wrote: The regular encryption scheme (last I looked at a QKE product) was XOR Well, if it's good enough for Microsoft, it's good enough for everyone. I have it on good authority that Microsoft's designers and programmers are second to none. (Microsoft's marketing department is a good authority, right?)
