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Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

2004-10-26 Thread James A. Donald
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James A. Donald:
> > Moral equivalence, the rationale of those who defend 
> > tyranny and slavery.

Roy M. Silvernail
> Moral superiority, the rationale of both sides of any given 
> violent conflict.  The winner gets to use the victory to 
> proclaim the correctness of their interpretation.

A claim that presupposes that the west is just as totalitarian 
as its enemies, that well known reality is not to be trusted, 
that newsmen and historians are servants of the vast capitalist 
conspiracy, so in place of obvious truths, we can substitute 
any ridiculous fantasy that we find politically conforting, for 
example  Tyler Durden's fantasy that the US attacked Korea, and 
attacked to impose poverty on Koreans so that the US can be 
rich, or the widely popular fantasy that the CIA trained Osama 
Bin Laden.  Seeing as Bin Laden's contribution to the 
revolutionary war against the Soviets was merely roadbuilding, 
did they train him in roadbuilding? 

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2004-10-26 Thread R.A. Hettinga


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By Kim Zetter?

Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65490,00.html

03:00 PM Oct. 26, 2004 PT

In an effort to increase the integrity of next week's presidential
election, five voting machine makers agreed for the first time to submit
their software to the National Software Reference Library for safekeeping,
federal officials said on Tuesday.

 The stored software will serve as a comparison tool for election officials
should they need to determine whether anyone tampered with programs
installed on voting equipment.


 The National Software Reference Library is part of an election security
initiative launched by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission, a new
federal entity that Congress created after the Florida 2000 election
problems. The EAC is the first federal entity established to improve the
integrity and efficiency of elections.

 DeForest Soaries, chairman of the EAC, in June requested software from the
largest voting companies, which provide 90 percent of the software to be
used in computerized voting machines on Tuesday. The EAC will eventually
ask all voting companies, even those that produce counting software for
punch card machines, to submit their software.

 Soaries called the library a major step and praised the vendors for their
willingness to increase the transparency of elections.

 "Their acceptance of our request to submit their software begins the
process that assures the country that we will have (a) higher level of
security and therefore confidence in e-voting than we have ever had
before," Soaries said in a press conference.

 The National Institute of Standards and Technology -- the agency that sets
official measurements and defines standards for all kinds of commercial
products -- will maintain the voting software library. NIST already manages
a library of other types of software, like the Windows 2000 operating
system, to help law enforcement investigate crimes involving computers.
Doug White, the library's project leader, said NIST stores applications on
CDs in a room that is similar to a criminal investigator's evidence locker,
which means the software can be used as evidence in a court.

 Counties and states will eventually be able to use the library to verify
that they are using a certified version of software. This is good news to
Scott Konopasek, the registrar of voters for San Bernardino County in
California. In September, after California certified a new version of
software for his county's voting system, the vendor, Sequoia Voting
Systems, sent Konopasek the software to load on his machines. But when
Konopasek asked the state to verify that the software the vendor gave him
was unchanged from the version the state certified, state officials told
him they had no means to verify it and that Konopasek would have to trust
the vendor.

 Vendor trust was precisely the measure of verification the state was using
last November when it discovered that Diebold Election Systems had
installed uncertified software on machines in 17 California counties
without telling the state.

 NIST's voting software library was established too late this year to
examine software that has already been loaded onto locked voting machines,
so election officials won't be able to verify that they have unchanged,
certified software before Tuesday's election.

 But if questions about the veracity of a voting system arise after the
election, computer forensic experts will be able to compare the software
used on machines with the software in the NIST library to see if the
software was altered. They can do this by comparing hash files, which are
digital fingerprints that identify the integrity of software. The hash is a
mathematical sum derived from the software code. If someone changes the
software, the mathematical sum changes as well.

 "This gives us one more mechanism for assuring voters that their votes
have been recorded and reported correctly and haven't been tampered with,"
Konopasek said. "There's no one single thing that election officials will
ever be able to do to convince everyone. But the more we can add to our
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Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

2004-10-26 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 18:38 -0400, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
> At 6:23 PM -0400 10/26/04, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
> >Moral superiority, the rationale of both sides of any given violent
> >conflict.  The winner gets to use the victory to proclaim the
> >correctness of their interpretation.  When the conflict is of a historic
> >scale, the loser is often too dead to object.
> 
> ...and your point is?

Oh, sorry... I thought we were stating and restating the very obvious.

> Same as it ever was,

Indeed.
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Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

2004-10-26 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 6:23 PM -0400 10/26/04, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
>Moral superiority, the rationale of both sides of any given violent
>conflict.  The winner gets to use the victory to proclaim the
>correctness of their interpretation.  When the conflict is of a historic
>scale, the loser is often too dead to object.

...and your point is?

:-).

Same as it ever was,
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Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

2004-10-26 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 14:19 -0700, James A. Donald wrote:

> Moral equivalence, the rationale of those who defend tyranny
> and slavery.

Moral superiority, the rationale of both sides of any given violent
conflict.  The winner gets to use the victory to proclaim the
correctness of their interpretation.  When the conflict is of a historic
scale, the loser is often too dead to object.
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Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

2004-10-26 Thread Tyler Durden
Moral equivalence, the rationale of those who defend tyranny
and slavery.
Exactly.
-TD


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Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

2004-10-26 Thread James A. Donald
--
On 25 Oct 2004 at 21:03, Tyler Durden wrote:
> The point is this: Almost and "side" in this world that has
> committed or commits atrocities can find a true-believing
> apolegist.

Moral equivalence, the rationale of those who defend tyranny
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