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[Eugen Leitl]

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Subject: [p2p-hackers] Re: [trustcomp] Memory and reputation calculation
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On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:00:30PM +, Farez Rahman wrote:
> Does anyone have any reference to work/paper which looked at how much
> history is useful in reputation systems? Perhaps some analysis of
> tradeoffs between size of memory and effective sample size?

The first working paper on Chris Dellarocas' site claims that the
history size doesn't matter:

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Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

[Bill Stewart]

At 08:25 AM 12/8/2004, Steve Furlong wrote:
I know what you mean, but (a) I didn't write what I meant, and (b) I
don't think a true anarchy would be the proper environment for your
anarcho-capitalism.
My complaints about Tim's anarchistic writings were about his desire to
watch DC detonate, or to watch a rampage against useless eaters of one
type or another, or the like.
If you think those are anarchist ideas, you've missed the
main ideas about anarchy and anarcho-capitalism and such.
Anarchism isn't about getting rid of the _current_ people in charge,
it's about getting rid of _having_ people be in charge.
On a cypherpunks-history track, Tim or Eric once proposed that
the way to deal with slander in an uncensorable anonymous
communication environment was to make sure that there was
_always_ a wide current of anonymous slander against you going on,
so you can dismiss any _real_ slander by saying it's just more
of the same crap that some anonymous people always say about you,
and that there may even be a market for it.
(And Tim didn't even pay me to say that he's Detweiler's father...)


Bill Stewart  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Re: Bugs in the belfry

[Bill Stewart]

At 07:49 AM 12/8/2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
So was Nietzsche suffering, as many have argued,
from incipient paresis when he wrote "Twilight of the Idols," et al?
If so, then (the argument goes) these late books,
brilliant as they may appear to be, can't be taken as seriously as his
earlier, saner writing. Or did the philosopher go mad from
some other cause all of a sudden, in the space of a
single day, as others prefer to believe?
If you're a literary-crit type, interested in the evolution of
Nietzsche's thought, that's an interesting kind of question,
and you can go looking for evidence in the changes in
ideas and expression between his earlier and later books.
However, if you're trying to examine the question of
whether his books should be taken seriously
as philosophy, as opposed to whether they're
Significant Art, then that doesn't really matter;
the question is whether the ideas as written
are any good or are crackpot lunacy,
which is independent of whether the author was a crackpot.
I suppose if you're trying to evaluate whether
they're a good philosophy for actual living,
you can look at the effects of Nietzsche's
ideas on his life, but that's a much broader study,
and the direct lesson here is that
unsafe sex isn't a good idea..
Disclaimer - most of what I've read of Nietzsche was
when we had to translate some of it in high school German class.
It's very frustrating to be reading something that
appears to say that the destruction of the human race
would be a good thing and have to figure out if that's
because you got a verb tense wrong or because it's Nietzsche.

Bill Stewart  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Re: primes as far as the eye can see, discrete continua

[Major Variola (ret)]

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NUMBER THEORY:
 Proof Promises Progress in Prime Progressions

 Barry Cipra

 The theorem that Ben Green and Terence Tao set out to prove would have
been impressive enough. Instead, the two
 mathematicians wound up with a stunning breakthrough in the theory of
prime numbers. At least that's the preliminary assessment
 of experts who are looking at their complicated 50-page proof.

 Green, who is currently at the Pacific Institute for the Mathematical
Sciences in Vancouver, British Columbia, and Tao of the
 University of California (UC), Los Angeles, began working 2 years ago
on the problem of arithmetic progressions of primes:
 sequences of primes (numbers divisible only by themselves and 1) that
differ by a constant amount. One such sequence is 13,
 43, 73, and 103, which differ by 30.

 In 1939, Dutch mathematician Johannes van der Corput proved that there
are an infinite number of arithmetic progressions of
 primes with three terms, such as 3, 5, 7 or 31, 37, 43. Green and Tao
hoped to prove the same result for four-term
 progressions. The theorem they got, though, proved the result for prime
progressions of all lengths.

 "It's a very, very spectacular achievement," says Green's former
adviser, Timothy Gowers of the University of Cambridge, who
 received the 1998 Fields Medal, the mathematics equivalent of the Nobel
Prize, for work on related problems. Ronald Graham, a combinatorialist
at UC San Diego,
 agrees. "It's just amazing," he says. "It's such a big jump from what
came before."

 Green and Tao started with a 1975 theorem by Endre Szemerédi of the
Hungarian Academy of Sciences. Szemerédi proved that arithmetic
progressions of all
 lengths crop up in any positive fraction of the integers--basically,
any subset of integers whose ratio to the whole set doesn't dwindle away
to zero as the numbers get
 larger and larger. The primes don't qualify, because they thin out too
rapidly with increasing size. So Green and Tao set out to show that
Szemerédi's theorem still
 holds when the integers are replaced with a smaller set of numbers with
special properties, and then to prove that the primes constitute a
positive fraction of that set.

   Prime suspect. Arithmetic
progressions such as this 10-prime sequence are infinitely abundant, if
a new proof
   holds up.


 To build their set, they applied a branch of mathematics known as
ergodic theory (loosely speaking, a theory of mixing or averaging) to
mathematical objects called
 pseudorandom numbers. Pseudorandom numbers are not truly random,
because they are generated by rules, but they behave as random numbers
do for certain
 mathematical purposes. Using these tools, Green and Tao constructed a
pseudorandom set of primes and "almost primes," numbers with relatively
few prime
 factors compared to their size.

 The last step, establishing the primes as a positive fraction of their
pseudorandom set, proved elusive. Then Andrew Granville, a number
theorist at the University of
 Montreal, pointed Green to some results by Dan Goldston of San Jose
State University in California and Cem Yildirim of Bo_gaziçi University
in Istanbul, Turkey.

 Goldston and Yildirim had developed techniques for studying the size of
gaps between primes, work that culminated last year in a dramatic
breakthrough in the
 subject--or so they thought. Closer inspection, by Granville among
others, undercut their main result (Science, 4 April 2003, p. 32; 16 May
2003, p. 1066),
 although Goldston and Yildirim have since salvaged a less far-ranging
finding. But some of the mathematical machinery that these two had set
up proved to be
 tailor-made for Green and Tao's research. "They had actually proven
exactly what we needed," Tao says.

 The paper, which has been submitted to the Annals of Mathematics, is
many months from acceptance. "The problem with a quick assessment of it
is that it
 straddles two areas," Granville says. "All of the number theorists
who've looked at it feel that the number-theory half is pretty simple
and the ergodic theory is
 daunting, and the ergodic theorists who've looked at it have thought
that the ergodic theory is pretty simple and the number theory is
daunting."

 Even if a mistake does show up, Granville says, "they've certainly
succeeded in bringing in new ideas of real import into the subject." And
if the proof holds up? "This
 could be a turning point for analytic number theory," he says.

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Subscribe to multiple feeds, filter identical message-ids?  You'll get
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The Wall Street Journal


 December 8, 2004

 U.S. BUSINESS NEWS


U.S. to Order Wire-Transfer Firms
 To Boost Their Vigilance Overseas

By GLENN R. SIMPSON
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
December 8, 2004; Page A2


WASHINGTON -- The booming U.S. money-transfer industry must step up efforts
to ensure that its overseas agents aren't engaging in corrupt activity,
federal regulators say.

Under rules expected to be issued today, the Treasury Department's
Financial Crimes Enforcement Network is ordering First Data Corp.'s Western
Union and other wire-transfer companies to closely monitor their foreign
agents for suspicious activity and to make sure they have policies against
money laundering and no affiliations with criminal enterprises.

During the next 180 days companies are expected to come up with programs
for conducting due diligence of foreign agents, monitoring them and
terminating them when necessary. Firms will be audited for compliance by
the Internal Revenue Service.

"If they are going to take steps to help protect the gateways to the U.S.
financial system, this is a rational thing for them to be doing," said
FinCEN director William Fox. The global-remittance industry moves more than
$70 billion across international borders annually, mostly for migrant
workers and small  businesses, and is growing.

Regulators are concerned that foreign agents of U.S. fund-transfer
companies are a vulnerable area in the struggle against money laundering
and other criminal activity because weak regulations in many other nations
make it hard to keep criminals out. A page-one article in The Wall Street
Journal in October reported that at Western Union alone, the number of
agents has mushroomed, to more than 200,000 today from 50,000 in 1998, with
much of the growth overseas where it is difficult to vet local operators.

In justifying its new "guidance," FinCEN officials said they uncovered
"several instances" of suspected criminal activity by foreign agents of
U.S. businesses. "There are a variety of ways in which a money-services
business may be  susceptible to the unwitting facilitation of money
laundering through foreign agents or counterparties," the agency said. The
cases depict an elaborate and largely successful strategy to launder money
through the U.S. financial system.

First, FinCEN said,  transfer agents made bulk sales of sequentially
numbered travelers checks and large blocks of money orders to suspected
criminals. These financial instruments "usually had illegible signatures or
failed to designate a beneficiary or payor," FinCEN said. " The instruments
were then negotiated with one or more dealers in goods, such as diamonds,
gems or precious metals, deposited in foreign banks, and cleared through
U.S. banks." By the end of the process, "the clearing banks were so far
removed from the transactions that they could not trace back or screen
either the intervening transactions or the individuals involved in the
transactions."

Mr. Fox said the examples cited aren't from one specific region of the
world, and declined to name the companies. "It is a generalized problem and
one we need to address across the board," he said.

He emphasized that companies will have discretion to determine the exact
steps needed for individual foreign partners depending on their assessment
of the risks involved, and that the government isn't trying to discourage
firms from entering into such relationships. "Our notion is to make this
safer and more transparent, so it does not go underground," he said.


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Anti-Syphilis TV Message Finds Few Takers

[R.A. Hettinga]

The Los Angeles Times


Anti-Syphilis TV Message Finds Few Takers

Many stations reject public service spot aimed at gay men as inappropriate.
 By Jia-Rui Chong
 Times Staff Writer

 December 2, 2004

 A public service ad paid for by the Los Angeles County public health
agency to raise awareness about the dangers of syphilis has been rejected
by local television stations that consider the content inappropriate.

 County health officials had signed off on the admittedly adult-oriented
spot aimed at reaching gay men who are at greatest risk of getting the
disease. But they said they were frustrated by their inability to get the
ads broadcast at a time when Los Angeles was struggling with a high number
of syphilis cases.

 "It's distressing to hear that some important public health messages are
not being aired," said Dr. Jonathan Fielding, county public health
director. "My question would be, 'Is this content more "adult" than others
that are being shown Š in the evening hours?' "

 "I don't find it objectionable," he said. "Would I show it to a 4- to
5-year-old? No. But do I think it's appropriate for an adult audience? Yes,
I do."

 The debate comes as the Federal Communications Commission has increased
its scrutiny of programming in recent months, following headline-grabbing
incidents such as Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" during the Super
Bowl half-time show.

 Last week, Viacom agreed to pay the federal government $3.5 million to
settle complaints that it broadcast sexually explicit material on its radio
and TV shows, though it is still fighting the $550,000 fine that resulted
from the Super Bowl incident.

 The 30-second syphilis public service spot features "Phil the Sore," a
lumpy, red cartoon character with an earring, who follows two men going
home together. As the men later part, one of them, dressed in a bathrobe
and underwear, says, "Let's do it again sometime." Phil then calls in his
whole family, whose members carry boxes labeled "brain damage," "rash" and
"blindness" - all potential results of syphilis.

 Public health officials said they worked with the AIDS Healthcare
Foundation to develop a campaign to combat the sexually transmitted disease
after a dramatic rise in cases beginning in 2000, mostly among gay men. The
agency said countywide early syphilis cases reported for that group grew
from 93 to 364 between 2000 and 2003. This year, the numbers have dipped
slightly to 254.

 In the general population, reported cases rose from 256 to 535 between
2000 and 2003, then declined to 407 this year.

 Broadcasters, however, said they considered the ad in poor taste. KCBS-TV
Channel 2 spokesman Mike Nelson said he was troubled that the ad took such
a light-hearted tone about a serious disease. He denied that recent FCC
actions had any effect on the station's evaluation of the ad.

 "We found it to be inappropriate for a broadcast audience," Nelson said.
"We consider the prevention of sexually transmitted diseases to be a
serious matter. It's an issue we have addressed and will continue to
recognize through fair, accurate and balanced news reporting, as well as
broadcasting public service announcements."

 Despite pleas from the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, none of the five local
television stations that were approached - including affiliates for NBC,
Fox, UPN and the WB - have run the ad. Two, however, have said they would
consider showing the spot between 11:30 p.m. and 5 a.m., an offer that
health officials said was not satisfactory because so few people would see
it.

 KNBC-TV Channel 4 spokeswoman Erin Dittman said her station rejected a
request to run the spot during prime-time's "Will & Grace," a show that
features gay characters. But Dittman said the ad could run much later -
sometime after midnight.

 The groups were able to get several cable stations, whose content is not
regulated by the FCC, to air the spot.

 When network TV and radio stations' licenses come up for review every
seven years, the FCC takes into account public complaints, said Christie
Nordhielm, an associate professor of marketing at the University of
Michigan. As a result, television stations don't want to take any risks.

 "It's an easy decision," she said. "Between running the ad and getting
money and the risk of losing their license or paying lawyers, they're going
to reject the ad. It's a no-brainer."

 Officials at the American Family Assn., a Tupelo, Miss.-based organization
that has pushed for the tightening of FCC standards on decency, expressed
support for the stations' stance on the syphilis ads.

 But the organization's president, Tim Wildmon, said he was surprised that
the ad had raised hackles in Los Angeles.

 "That's a pretty liberal, socially liberal place," he said. "We're not
talking about the heartland or the South. It's good at least the station
managers and operators are giving consideration to taste and
appropria

Re: primes as far as the eye can see, discrete continua

[Justin]

On 2004-12-08T11:10:28-0500, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
> 
> Tyler Durden wrote:
> 
> >What about where N=1?
> >
> >I don't understand. You can only have an infinite number (or number of 
> >progressions) where the number of numbers in a number is inifinite.
> 
> differing by 2.  The _Science_ article is behind their paid-subscription 
> wall, so I can't look at the source, but 

I'm not sure if this is the right paper, but it's what I was looking at:

http://front.math.ucdavis.edu/math.NT/0404188

(linked from http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~bjg23/preprints.html)

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Re: primes as far as the eye can see, discrete continua

[Justin]

On 2004-12-08T10:30:22-0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
> >From: "Major Variola (ret)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >Saw in a recent _Science_ that Ben Green of Cambridge proved
> >that for any N, there are an infinite number of evenly spaced
> >progressions
> >of primes that are N numbers long.   He got a prize for that.
> 
> What about where N=1?
> 
> I don't understand. You can only have an infinite number (or number of 
> progressions) where the number of numbers in a number is inifinite.

True for N=1 trivially, because it's easily proven that there are
infinitely many primes.  (For a set of primes S, find the product of
them all and add 1.  The result is obviously not divisible by any prime
in S, so it's either a prime or a composite that factors into at least
two smaller primes not in S.  Either way, add the new prime(s) to S, and
repeat.)

I looked at B. Green's paper, but got lost around page 10 (of 50).

He apparently proves that there are arbitrarily long progressions of
primes.  From that, you can cut some such arbitrarily long progression
of primes into k-length progressions, and as N->infinity, you end up
approaching an infinite number of k-length progressions.

It's even easier (conceptually) if you accept two different progressions
that have different spacing.  for instance, when N=3,

5,11,17
17,23,29
31,37,43
would be a set of equal-spacing progressions.

5,11,17
17,53,89
would be a set of unequal-spacing progressions.  Different progressions
have different spacings.

The paper was giving me a headache so I don't want to try to figure out
which he meant.  Clearly, the former is stronger.

Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

[Steve Furlong]

On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 10:47, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
> At 10:38 AM -0500 12/8/04, Steve Furlong wrote:
> >anarchist
> 
> Bzzt wrong answer.
> 
> Must filter that *in*, thankewverramuch...

I know what you mean, but (a) I didn't write what I meant, and (b) I
don't think a true anarchy would be the proper environment for your
anarcho-capitalism.

My complaints about Tim's anarchistic writings were about his desire to
watch DC detonate, or to watch a rampage against useless eaters of one
type or another, or the like. However, unless there were a mass uprising
against the current government, or the idea of any government, any
limited demonstration would simply be an excuse for the ratchet to turn
another few clicks. Viz the OKC bombing.

As for anonymous bearer transactions in an anarchy, I'm going to have to
bag on that for now. Not cowardice -- work to do. Later, if I remember,
which I won't because I'm a burnout.

Regards,
SRF

Re: primes as far as the eye can see, discrete continua

[Roy M. Silvernail]

Tyler Durden wrote:
What about where N=1?
I don't understand. You can only have an infinite number (or number of 
progressions) where the number of numbers in a number is inifinite.
After googling up some references, it seems the Major made a small 
misstatement.  Green appears to have proven that for any number N 
greater than 1, there are an infinite number of prime progressions where 
the primes are separated by N.  For example, 3,5,7 are all primes 
differing by 2.  The _Science_ article is behind their paid-subscription 
wall, so I can't look at the source, but 
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20040424/mathtrek.asp talks a bit 
about the general subject.

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FTC spotlights proposals on P2P risks

[R.A. Hettinga]

CNET News


 FTC spotlights proposals on P2P risks

 By John Borland
http://news.com.com/FTC+spotlights+proposals+on+P2P+risks/2100-1025_3-5482429.html


 Story last modified Tue Dec 07 18:41:00 PST 2004



The head of the Federal Trade Commission sent a letter to Congress on
Tuesday highlighting efforts that file-swapping companies are making to
disclose potential online risks.

Legislators have criticized software such as Kazaa, Morpheus and eDonkey
for exposing users to spyware, pornography and the risk of lawsuits.
Although protesting that their software was no more risky than use of the
Internet at large, peer-to-peer companies have worked with the FTC to
develop better consumer notification techniques.

 The FTC included several of those proposals with its letter to Congress,
saying that when implemented, they would do a better job of warning
consumers.

 "(Peer-to-peer) industry members have developed proposed risk disclosures
that we believe would be a substantial improvement over current practices,"
FTC Chair Deborah Platt Majoras wrote in the letter. "We intend to monitor
and report back to interested members of Congress on the extent to which
P2P file-sharing program distributors implement these proposed risk
disclosures."

 The letter follows a tumultuous year in Congress for file-swapping
companies, which faced proposed legislation that would have overturned a
series of court rulings to make them responsible for copyright infringement
on their networks.

 That legislation ultimately did not pass but could return next year.

 Under the new proposals, consumers would be notified when the software is
installed that downloading music, games, movies or software without
authorization is illegal. The companies' Web sites would also have detailed
information about other possible risks in using the software.

 Representatives for file-swapping trade associations said the FTC letter
could help show legislators that they are serious about playing by the
rules.

 "We are grateful for the interest that the Federal Trade Commission has
taken in this young industry's efforts at self-regulation," Distributed
Computing Industry Alliance Chief Executive Officer Marty Lafferty said in
a statement. "We hope the FTC letter to Congress will help foster a better
understanding on the Hill of the realities of P2P technologies and of the
actions being taken by responsible parties to commercially develop this new
distribution channel."

 The FTC will hold a two-day session studying the consumer impacts of
file-swapping technology beginning Dec. 15.


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Bugs in the belfry

[R.A. Hettinga]

The Boston Globe

THE EXAMINED LIFE

Bugs in the belfry

By Joshua Glenn, Globe Staff  |  November 28, 2004

FOR OVER a century, philosophers and literary scholars have debated whether
or not the apocalyptic, sometimes megalomaniacal qualities of the final
books written by the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche can be chalked
up to the gradually unfolding delusions and personality disturbances of the
author's paresis (tertiary syphilis). In the current issue of Daedalus, the
journal of the Cambridge-based American Academy of Arts and Sciences, the
distinguished UMass-Amherst geobiologist Lynn Margulis announces that the
answer to this longstanding riddle has been discovered floating in a Cape
Cod pond.

To recap: In 1888, a sickly Nietzsche wrote the tracts "Twilight of the
Idols," "The Antichrist," "Ecce Homo," and "The Case of Wagner" in a burst
of productivity. But the following January in Turin, he flung his arms
around the neck of a horse being flogged, collapsed in the piazza, and
swiftly descended into a raving dementia brought on -- as records of a
young Nietzsche's treatment for syphilis 30 years earlier would appear to
indicate -- by paresis. So was Nietzsche suffering, as many have argued,
from incipient paresis when he wrote "Twilight of the Idols," et al? If so,
then (the argument goes) these late books, brilliant as they may appear to
be, can't be taken as seriously as his earlier, saner writing. Or did the
philosopher go mad from some other cause all of a sudden, in the space of a
single day, as others prefer to believe?

That's where Margulis, an expert in microorganisms who has no reputation as
a Nietzsche scholar, comes in -- to say "neither."

After explaining that syphilis is a syndrome caused by the ravages of the
spirochete Treponema pallidum (the lively, corkscrew-shaped bacterium
pictured at right), Margulis elaborates on her own recent research into
spirochetes by weighing in on the long-running debate over Nietzsche's
brain. Yes, Nietzsche's madness was undoubtedly caused by paresis, she
writes -- but he most likely went crazy quite suddenly, as opposed to over
the course of weeks and months. "Nietzsche's brain on January 3, 1889
experienced a transformation," she states -- which means that his books of
1888 weren't written by a delusional kook.

But is it possible for paresis to appear overnight, instead of slowly?
Margulis believes it is, and as evidence points to studies of microbial mat
samples taken from Eel Pond in Woods Hole and kept in a jar in a
UMass-Amherst lab. Although no typical spirochetes were found in these
samples, Margulis recounts, when food and water known to support spirochete
activity were added to some samples, spirochetes that could only have been
been lying dormant suddenly awoke from their slumber. Extrapolating from
these experiments, Margulis argues that inactive Treponema pallidum
spirochetes had been hiding out in Nietzsche's tissues ever since his
syphilis treatment some 30 years earlier."

But on January 3, 1889 in Turin," Margulis concludes, channeling Vincent
Price, "armies of revived spirochetes munched on his brain tissue. The
consequence was the descent of Nietzsche the genius into Nietzsche the
madman in less than one day." ? © Copyright  2004 The New York Times Company
 

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k-way hash collisions

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For an ideal hash function, the complexity of finding a k-way
collision is
O(2^{(k-1)n/k}) therefore as k becomes larger, the complexity of a
k-way collision attack approaches the complexity of a pre-image
attack.

Recently, Joux showed a generic multi-collision attack for iterated
hash functions to reduce the k-way collision complexity to
O(log(k)*2^{(n/2)}). But in his attack the pre-images are not
independent. They are just combinations of block collisions of k
blocks. Here are my questions:

1. How can the formula for the complexity of finding a k-way collision
be derived?

2. Is there any hash design that allows to reduce the complexity of
k-way collision for "independent" pre-images while preserving the
complexity of the pre-image attack?

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Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

[R.A. Hettinga]

At 10:38 AM -0500 12/8/04, Steve Furlong wrote:
>anarchist

Bzzt wrong answer.

Must filter that *in*, thankewverramuch...

Cheers,
RAH

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Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

[Steve Furlong]

On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 09:26, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
> At 9:17 AM -0500 12/8/04, John Kelsey wrote:
> > But once in awhile, even amidst the crazy rantings about useless eaters
> >and ovens, he'll toss out something that shows some deep, coherent thought
> >about some issue in a new and fascinating direction.
> 
> Yup.
> 
> Canonical Cypherpunk, and all that. Impossible to keep in a killfile, etc.
> 
> Like it or not, we live in a Maysian Universe...

All we need is a Bayesian Maysian filter to separate the wheat from the
(racist | deranged | anarchist | readthearchives) chaff.

On a related note, is it possible that Tim has syphillis and it went to
his brain? His earlier work was certainly insightful, well thought-out,
and useful. His later writings, generally useless and irritating though
they were, still had occasional relevance. Poor Tim, sharing Nietzsche's
fate.

Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

[Tyler Durden]

"But
once in awhile, even amidst the crazy rantings about useless eaters and 
ovens,
he'll toss out something that shows some deep, coherent thought about some 
issue
in a new and fascinating direction."

Agreed. Though even his racisism seemed to have some kind of half-baked 
thought behind it. Or at least, baked just enough to deflect most of those 
not fully prepared to assail it.

-TD
From: John Kelsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:17:30 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
>From: Steve Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Dec 7, 2004 1:26 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...
...
>Tim May has probably gotten all strange in the last few years, living in
>his remote hilltop home, waiting to see the end that will not come since
>the y2k crisis turned out to be nothing more than a financial boondoggle
>for the companies that believed all the hype.
Maybe, maybe not.  The thing I always find interesting and annoying about 
Tim May's posts is that he's sometimes making really clearly thought out, 
intelligent points, and other times spewing out nonsense so crazy you can't 
believe it's coming from the same person.  It's also clear he's often 
yanking peoples' chains, often by saying the most offensive thing he can 
think of.  But once in awhile, even amidst the crazy rantings about useless 
eaters and ovens, he'll toss out something that shows some deep, coherent 
thought about some issue in a new and fascinating direction.

...
>Steve
--John

Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

[R.W. (Bob) Erickson]

Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 09:17:30AM -0500, John Kelsey wrote:
 

Maybe, maybe not.  The thing I always find interesting and annoying about Tim May's posts is that he's sometimes making really clearly thought out, intelligent points, and other times spewing out nonsense so crazy you can't believe it's coming from the same person.  It's also clear he's often yanking peoples' chains, often by saying the most offensive thing he can think of.  But once in awhile, even amidst the crazy rantings about useless eaters and ovens, he'll toss out something that shows some deep, coherent thought about some issue in a new and fascinating direction. 
   

There was no doubt he was trolling. I never figured out the precise reason,
though. Attempted suicide by cop? Free speech illustration? You tell me.
Neither is sufficient interesting. 

 

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irrationality is not to be overcome
its value recognizes you
as you become undone

RE: Supremes need hanging

[Tyler Durden]

Yes, this batch seems to sway in the collective wind.
Which actually suprised me...despite the source of appointment of Suter, I 
remember reading at the time about his track record somewhere and was 
actually under the impression that he was a very 'conservative' interpreter 
of Constitutional law...and by conservative I mean really does not stray 
from clear precedent unless it's called for...he actually seemed to have 
some kind of weird integrity.

But I was wrong. Where's the coal...
-TD
From: "Major Variola (ret)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Supremes need hanging
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 20:16:54 -0800
At 07:37 PM 12/7/04 -0500, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
>
>Klan's unmasked for city protests
> The hoods hiding under the white hoods of the Ku Klux Klan will have
to
>show their faces if they want to protest in New York City, the Supreme
>Court decided yesterday.
Anonymity is as american as the BoR.  The supremes need thermal chimney
ascension for their deriliction of sworn duty.

RE: primes as far as the eye can see, discrete continua

[Tyler Durden]

What about where N=1?
I don't understand. You can only have an infinite number (or number of 
progressions) where the number of numbers in a number is inifinite.

-TD
From: "Major Variola (ret)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: primes as far as the eye can see, discrete continua
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 19:45:24 -0800
Saw in a recent _Science_ that Ben Green of Cambridge proved
that for any N, there are an infinite number of evenly spaced
progressions
of primes that are N numbers long.   He got a prize for that.  Damn
straight.
Now back to the decline of the neo-roman empire...

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Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

[R.A. Hettinga]

At 9:17 AM -0500 12/8/04, John Kelsey wrote:
> But once in awhile, even amidst the crazy rantings about useless eaters
>and ovens, he'll toss out something that shows some deep, coherent thought
>about some issue in a new and fascinating direction.

Yup.

Canonical Cypherpunk, and all that. Impossible to keep in a killfile, etc.

Like it or not, we live in a Maysian Universe...

Cheers,
RAH

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Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

[Eugen Leitl]

On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 09:17:30AM -0500, John Kelsey wrote:

> Maybe, maybe not.  The thing I always find interesting and annoying about Tim 
> May's posts is that he's sometimes making really clearly thought out, 
> intelligent points, and other times spewing out nonsense so crazy you can't 
> believe it's coming from the same person.  It's also clear he's often yanking 
> peoples' chains, often by saying the most offensive thing he can think of.  
> But once in awhile, even amidst the crazy rantings about useless eaters and 
> ovens, he'll toss out something that shows some deep, coherent thought about 
> some issue in a new and fascinating direction. 

There was no doubt he was trolling. I never figured out the precise reason,
though. Attempted suicide by cop? Free speech illustration? You tell me.
Neither is sufficient interesting. 

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Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

[John Kelsey]

>From: Steve Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Dec 7, 2004 1:26 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: "Word" Of the Subgenius...

...
>Tim May has probably gotten all strange in the last few years, living in
>his remote hilltop home, waiting to see the end that will not come since
>the y2k crisis turned out to be nothing more than a financial boondoggle
>for the companies that believed all the hype.

Maybe, maybe not.  The thing I always find interesting and annoying about Tim 
May's posts is that he's sometimes making really clearly thought out, 
intelligent points, and other times spewing out nonsense so crazy you can't 
believe it's coming from the same person.  It's also clear he's often yanking 
peoples' chains, often by saying the most offensive thing he can think of.  But 
once in awhile, even amidst the crazy rantings about useless eaters and ovens, 
he'll toss out something that shows some deep, coherent thought about some 
issue in a new and fascinating direction. 

...
>Steve

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Daniel Burton wrote:
>I was wondering if someone in the know could explain the principal
>differences between I2P and Tor to me, in both maturity level and
>connection methodology.

http://www.i2p.net/how_networkcomparisons

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Re: cog sci as a tool of the beast?

[Eugen Leitl]

On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 08:15:22PM -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote:

> The viewscreens of the future will simply monitor the blood flow
> to various areas of the cortex to see if we are lying when we
> express our minute of hate, or love for the rulers.  RT is so
> passe.

Not enough resolution. You might do with a skullcap, but even that is doubtful.

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Re: primes as far as the eye can see, discrete continua

[Chuck Wolber]

On Tue, 7 Dec 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote:

> 
> Saw in a recent _Science_ that Ben Green of Cambridge proved that for 
> any N, there are an infinite number of evenly spaced progressions of 
> primes that are N numbers long.  He got a prize for that.  Damn 
> straight.

Where N is a natural number? How do they define "progression"? Depending 
on that definition, there are some trivial counter examples.

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following:

Pasteurized Milk			45000 liters per day
Yogurt	26.5 tons per day
Ice creams14,500 liters per day

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 Pasteurized Milk			55000 liters per day
Yogurt	173.5 tons per day
Ice creams  35,500 liters per day

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as  the profit margins are 167%, but a heavy orientation & marketing strategy
is needed to increase the sales for Ice cream business.

The overall investments & expected returns are summarized below:

A) Yogurt Manufacturing only for proposed 10 tons per day

Plant Machinery & Equipment			: US $ 540,000

Land & Building 20,000 sq.ft			:  at actuals

Working Capital requirements at 40 days' stock turnover : at actuals

Expected return per day: US $ 3000

Expected return per month: US $ 9

Pay-back period for capital investment
On Capital with 2 months gestation from
Production commencement date: 10 months


B) Ice cream Manufacturing only for proposed 1 liters per day and
100,000 bars per day

Plant Machinery & Equipment			: US $ 1,125,000

Land & Building 30,000 sq.ft			:  at actuals

Working Capital requirements at 40 days' stock turnover: at actuals

Expected return per day: US $ 6500

Expected return per month	at 50% sales 	: US $ 100,000

Pay-back period for capital investment
On Capital with 3 months gestation from
Production commencement date: 12 months

A complete detailed report is available which can be put into
implementation once investment acceptance & go-ahead signal is obtained.




In conclusion, the above two projects are the most potential in the next 5
years and it would be wise to invest in these specialized fast moving
consumer product market in Sudan.

AMC would see through the entire project from inception to commissioning,
trial runs, commercial runs and initial marketing of the product to achieve
the desired results. AMC expects the project to be operational within 140 days
from the date of opening LC on suppliers. Trial runs & Marketing would be
fully operational within 60 days of commercial production





AMC's role would be summarized as below:

·	Prepare complete Project Report
·	Identify milk-shed areas
·	Determine price payable for bulk milk supply
·	Formulate specifications for Equipment, Machinery & Finished products
·	Identify suitable equipment suppliers
·	Carry out inspection of equipment under fabrication
·	Set up Total Quality Assurance programme
·	Evaluate & Recruit various technical hands
·	Impart training in Quality Control, Food Hygiene, Personal Hygiene,
Consumer Relationship, Sales & Marketing skills
·	Develop suitable recipes/ formulae
·	Carry out production trials
·	Develop cost-effective procedures/processes
·	Conduct market survey and study the current demand and trends
·	Identify suitable retailers
·	Carry out Test Marketing
·	Carry out post-launch Market Feedback and incorporate relevant findings.

AMC's Consultation fees would be

US $ 60,000 for the YOGURT PROJECT ONLY,
US $ 75,000 for the ICECREAM PROJECT ONLY,
US $ 100,000 for A COMBINED ICECREAM & YOGURT PROJECT

Payable as follows:

25% at the time of signing of the contract:

25% at the time of LC opening of major equipment:

25%  on Erection & Commissioning of Plant

20% upon successful trial p

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[Martina Nguyen]

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