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expectation of privacy

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 09:01 PM 1/12/05 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote:
>
>It's time to blow the lid off this "no expectation of privacy in
>public places" argument that judges and law enforcement now spout out
>like demented parrots in so many situations.

A court refused to hear the case of a man accused of owning unlicensed
pharmaceuticals when a pig entered a locked loo.  The loo was part
of a gas station; the attendant called the pigs.  A prostitute was
in there too, with him, and the area rife with folks of that profession,
FWIW,
which is nothing.  But the court held reduced expectation of privacy in
a public loo.

One imagines much fun with anonymous calls when state employees
are in such places, but this does not temper our disgust, or desire for
karma
with extreme prejudice.

Re: [IP] The DNA round-up on Cape Cod (fwd from dave@farber.net

[Major Variola (ret)]

The Beast doesn't know who licked the stamp.  A fiducial sample is what
they want.

In Calif, they could merely arrest you for a bogus charge to have the
"right"
to sample your families DNA as carried by you.

Schwarzenegger is not Austrian accidentally.

GATTACA was optimistic.




At 06:02 PM 1/10/05 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote:
>I live in the town of Truro on Cape Cod about 4 or 5 months out of the
year.
>This past week, the Truro has been on the national news because the
local
>police are attempting to obtain DNA samples of all men of the town in
order
>to solve a three-year old murder case.  Here are a couple of the
articles
>that give the details of what is going on in this DNA round-up:
>
>   To Try to Net Killer, Police Ask a Small Town's Men for DNA
>   http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/10/national/10cape.html
>
>   Truro abuzz over 'swab' DNA testing
>   http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/truroabuzz7.htm
>
>I am headed back to my Truro house later this week.  If I am approached
by
>the police to provide a DNA sample for their round-up of Truro males, I
am
>planning to refuse.  However, I just realized that I already gave a DNA

>sample to the Town of Truro recently.  I paid my property tax bill to
the
>Truro tax collectors office two weeks ago.  My DNA is on the tax
payment
>envelope that I licked.
>
>Envelopes are apparently a good source of DNA material according to
this
>article:
>
>   DNA on Envelope Reopens Decades-old Murder Case
>   http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_052103_dnaarrest.html
>
>Richard M. Smith
>http://www.ComputerBytesMan.com
>
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Re: Google Exposes Web Surveillance Cams

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 02:20 PM 1/9/05 -0600, Riad S. Wahby wrote:

>I love how all of the coverage leaves out the actual search strings, as

>if it's hard to discover what they are at this point.

I'm similarly annoyed that articles omit the URLs of "terrorist web
sites",
being forced to check ogrish.com, even if I couldn't read the language.

But government and its presses know best.

Re: Tasers for Cops Not You

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 01:20 PM 1/8/05 -0800, John Young wrote:
>However, Taser claims the civilian version is effective
>only to 15 feet while the LE version will explose a heart
>at 20 feet. And, Taser says "accidental deaths caused
>by the shock would have happened to those sick persons
>anyway."
>
>Well, yes, homicidal cops say the perps were begging for it,
>learning such talk from the president and up to the one who
>has fun with joy toy tsunamis.

John: A taser is > 50 KV and microamps.  Not fun but it
doesn't cause fibrillation.  (Incoherent cardiac muscle
contraction -> no pulse.)  I now work for a company that
makes defibrillators.  It takes a few 10s of Joules through
the heart to fibrillate, typically 100-200 J for an adult,
during a certain critical window during the sinus rhythm.
Our gizmos discharge ~200 uF at up to 2 KV to defibrillate
a fibrillating heart, which will also fibrillate if administered to a
healthy heart
at the wrong time, as I said.  That's up to 40 amps.  (Through the pads
a chest is 20-200 ohms, typically 50.)  Without
a defibrillator the person is dead, CPR or not.

That's the science.  As far as pigs wanting slaves/peasants/citizens
to be unarmed, well, agree.  As far as choke holds on negroes,
excessive force on cocaine-stimulated citizens, etc goes, I have
nothing to bear on this.  As far as banning lethal and nonlethal
weapons for use by all but state minions, we agree.

When tasers, mace, body armor, .50 cal or lesser rifles are outlawed,
well, you know
the rest.  (Of course mace is best applied with q-tips to the eyes of
sitting protesters.  And the mercenaries in Iraq do fine with
pillowcases and
12V batteries.)

Though heavens fall, let justice be done.

To Tyler Durden

[Major Variola (ret)]

TD,
I just watched _Fight Club_ so I finally get your nym.  (Here in
low-earth geosynchronous orbit, content is delayed).  Cool.
I had thought it was your real name.

Maj. Variola (ret)

Effort to Speed Airport Security Is Going Private

[R.A. Hettinga]

The Wall Street Journal

  January 12, 2005

Effort to Speed
 Airport Security
 Is Going Private
Move Aims to Expand Program
 That Preregisters People
 Who Travel Frequently

By AMY SCHATZ
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
January 12, 2005; Page D1


The Homeland Security Department, under pressure to jump-start a program
allowing select preregistered travelers to speed through airport security,
is turning to the private sector for help.

The Registered Traveler program gives frequent air passengers access to
special security lines, provided they first voluntarily undergo criminal
and terrorist background checks. In exchange, they get a biometric
identification card -- containing a fingerprint and other personal data --
and access to the shorter lines. The program has generally received
favorable reviews from volunteers and the three-month trial has been
extended indefinitely.

There is just one problem: The pilot program, currently administered by the
department's Transportation Security Administration, is offered at only
five airports for just 10,000 volunteers. This means that Registered
Travelers can use their cards only at their home airports and nowhere else.
TSA's pace at expanding the test into a national program has, so far, been
the biggest complaint.

The slow introduction has prompted interest from some businesses, who
believe that travelers would be willing to pay to participate in the
program. Interested entrepreneurs include Steven Brill, who started
American Lawyer magazine and Court TV and, after writing a book on Sept.
11, decided to get into the homeland-security business.

In a plan set to be unveiled in coming weeks, TSA officials will lay out
some details of a privately operated Registered Traveler pilot program at
Orlando International Airport. The success of the pilot, expected to begin
by the end of March, could determine the future of the Registered Traveler
program and be a model for expanding it nationally.

Mr. Brill and others have been pushing for TSA to privatize the program,
saying that businesses are better equipped than the government to market
and expand it, especially because some travelers have indicated that they
would pay annual fees -- as much as $100 -- for faster screening.

TSA officials agree, believing that passengers, not taxpayers, should fund
Registered Traveler, because it is likely to be used by business people
rather than leisure travelers. Homeland Security officials are eager to see
it move forward. TSA has had some false starts in other initiatives, and it
has taken knocks for long lines and intrusive pat-down searches.

But privacy advocates, who have already voiced concern about the
government-run pilot programs, are even more worried now that TSA is
turning to the private sector.

EXPRESS LINE How expedited security works in five pilot programs:

Who's eligible: 10,000 frequent- flier club members; enrollment closed

What they provide: Fingerprint, iris scan, personal data

What they get: Biometric ID card

What they have to do at airport: Open laptop, remove keys, coins.

What they don't have to do: Join leisure travelers for random screening.

They complain that Homeland Security officials routinely publish privacy
guidelines too vague to give the public a real understanding of how
personal data are handled. A privatized system could exacerbate the
problem, says Marcia Hoffman, staff counsel of the Electronic Privacy
Information Center, a Washington nonprofit organization.

TSA sees private-sector involvement as a route to faster growth. "We're
trying to encourage as much private sector participation as possible," says
Justin Oberman, a TSA official in charge of both Registered Traveler and
its more controversial sister-project, Secure Flight, a computerized
prescreening system that will replace a system currently run by the
airlines.

Plans to run the privatized pilot in Orlando were publicly disclosed in
October, when AirTran Airways, a unit of Orlando-based AirTran Holdings
Inc., said it would participate in the program. But efforts between TSA and
the airport to reach terms on the pilot have dragged on.

One reason: TSA officials haven't decided whether to compile a master list
of Registered Travelers, which could be used to check passengers at all
participating airports, or allow private companies to maintain passenger
data in a universal format easily accessed by competitors.

The Orlando airport hasn't yet chosen a vendor to run its test, although
airport officials say they are in talks with Mr. Brill's New York-based
company, Verified Identity Pass Inc. Verified Identity would essentially
assume marketing responsibilities while its partners -- possibly including
Lockheed Martin Corp. -- would install scanners, process applications and
manufacture ID cards. TSA screeners, who are government employees, would
continue to staff the security lines.

Orlando offic

Re: [IP] No expectation of privacy in public? In a pig's eye! (fwd from dave@farber.net)

[Roy M. Silvernail]

Re: the embedded item:
http://timesunion.com/AspStories/storyprint.asp?StoryID=322152
Ruling gives cops leeway with GPS
Decision allows use of vehicle tracking device without a warrant
By BRENDAN LYONS, Staff writer
First published: Tuesday, January 11, 2005
In a decision that could dramatically affect criminal investigations
nationwide, a federal judge has ruled police didn't need a warrant when
they attached a satellite tracking device to the underbelly of a car
being driven by a suspected Hells Angels operative.
Just out of curiosity, if the man doesn't need a warrent to place a 
surveilance device, shouldn't it be within your rights to tamper with, 
disable or remove such a device if you discover one?  By extension, is 
there a business opportunity for bug-sweeping?  Either a storefront or a 
properly equipped pickup truck with bright signage.  (oh, yeah... I'm 
sure *that* would go over well with the Powers That Be)
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[IP] No expectation of privacy in public? In a pig's eye! (fwd from dave@farber.net)

[Eugen Leitl]

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From: David Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:46:47 -0500
To: Ip 
Subject: [IP] No expectation of privacy in public? In a
 pig's eye!
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Orwell was an amateur djf


-- Forwarded Message
From: Lauren Weinstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:38:28 -0800
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: No expectation of privacy in public? In a pig's eye!

Dave,

It's time to blow the lid off this "no expectation of privacy in
public places" argument that judges and law enforcement now spout out
like demented parrots in so many situations.

Technology has rendered that argument meaningless -- unless we
intend to permit a pervasive surveillance slave society to become
our future -- which apparently is the goal among some parties.

It is incredibly disingenuous to claim that cameras (increasingly
tied to face recognition software) and GPS tracking devices (which
could end up being standard in new vehicles as part of their
instrumentation black boxes), etc. are no different than cops
following suspects.

Technology will effectively allow everyone to be followed all of the
time.  Unless society agrees that everything you do outside the
confines of your home and office should be available to authorities
on demand -- even retrospectively via archived images and data -- we
are going down an incredibly dangerous hole.

I use the "slimy guy in the raincoat" analogy.  Let's say the
government arranged for everyone to be followed at all times in
public by slimy guys in raincoats.  Each has a camera and clipboard,
and wherever you go in public, they are your shadow.  They keep
snapping photos of where you go and where you look.  They're
constantly jotting down the details of your movements.  When you go
into your home, they wait outside, ready to start shadowing you
again as soon as you step off your property.  Every day, they report
everything they've learned about you to a government database.

Needless to say, most people would presumably feel incredibly
violated by such a scenario, even though it's all taking place in
that public space where we're told that we have no expectation of
privacy.

Technology is creating the largely invisible equivalent of that guy
in the raincoat, ready to tail us all in perpetuity.  If we don't
control him, he will most assuredly control us.

--Lauren--
Lauren Weinstein
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800
http://www.pfir.org/lauren
Co-Founder, PFIR - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org
Co-Founder, Fact Squad - http://www.factsquad.org
Co-Founder, URIICA - Union for Representative International Internet
 Cooperation and Analysis - http://www.uriica.org
Moderator, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com
Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy
Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com


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> From: Gregory Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Gregory Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:42:03 -0800 (PST)
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Ruling gives cops leeway with GPS
> 
> Dave:
> 
> For IP if you wish...
> 
> http://timesunion.com/AspStories/storyprint.asp?StoryID=322152
> 
> Ruling gives cops leeway with GPS
> Decision allows use of vehicle tracking device without a warrant
>  
> By BRENDAN LYONS, Staff writer
> First published: Tuesday, January 11, 2005
> 
> In a decision that could dramatically affect criminal investigations
> nationwide, a federal judge has ruled police didn't need a warrant when
> they attached a satellite tracking device to the underbelly of a car
> being driven by a suspected Hells Angels operative.
> 
> [...snip...]
> 
> All Times Union materials copyright 1996-2005, Capital Newspapers
> Division of The Hearst Corporation, Albany, N.Y.
> 
> 

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