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Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-24 Thread sunder

Tyler Durden wrote:

Saw a local security expert on the news, and he stated the obvious: 
Random searches and whatnot are going to do zero for someone 
determined, but might deter someone who was thinking about blowing 
up the A train. In other words, everyone here in NYC knows that we've 
given up a lot for the sake of the appearence of security, but no one 
seems to give a damn.


I wouldn't say we've given up at all - after all, we've had no choice 
in the matter. We weren't asked if we wanted to be searched, we weren't 
asked if we were willing to give up liberty for the appearance of 
security, we weren't asked if we were ok with atrocities such as the 
unpatriot act, or the national ID disguised as a standardized driver's 
license, we weren't asked if we were willing to pay lots of tax dollars 
to finance more police on every corner and all the toys that they have 
purchased for these tasks, or the various hollow cement flower pots, 
and other barricades.


It's not exactly a liberty that we have sacrificed, when it was taken 
away without consent.  There is another word for this: theft.




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Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-24 Thread Steve Thompson

--- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ...I'm sure most are aware that random searches has begun here in NYC,
 at subway stations and in the LIRR. Contraband (drugs, etc...) can get
 the owner arrested. The next step, of course, will be to start grabbing
 anyone carrying terrorist propaganda, such as the Qu'ran, leaflets,
 or even the New York Times.

You fucking 'tard; nobody is going to be arrested for carrying a copy of
the NYT.

This deliberate abrogation of the right to be free of unreasonable search
and seizure is typical of the way authorities abuse process.  This sort of
thing happens _all the time_.  Here's how the scam works (for those of you
who require that their information comes pre-chewed):

J. Random Authority will decide that he or she wishes to advance the
incremental fait accompli of the tiered police state.  He or she examines
the political landscape of the moment and identifies a flimsy excuse that
may be used to backstop this-or-that draconian measure.  In this case,
random searches of transit passengers.  It is expected that the flagrant
violation of the law by the authorites for some contrived need will
eventually be examined in court by virtue of some citizen petition that is
made in a fit of outrage or pique.  Depending on the political reality of
the moment, the courts may be encouraged to rule in such a way as to force
the complainant through the expensive and time-consuming task of going in
front of the Supreme Court.  In the meantime, the authorities carry on
with their blatantly illegal activities and wait for the courts to rule
them in the wrong; if that actually occurs -- by no means a sure thing
when science, reason, and logic are habitually excluded from judicial
processes.

As a nice side effect, many actions of this sort are undertaken with the
secondary motive of outraging and provoking so-called undesireable
elements within the affected population.  

In North America, this is the business-as-usual model of government
interacting with its citizens.  And since every judicial ruling has a
small but finite chance of being ruled in the Government's favour, no
matter how absurd such a ruling might be, the tiered authoritarian and
plutocratic police state is thus incrimentally realized.

 The sad thing is that it is still absurdly easy to get whatever you
 want into the subways. For one, not every station has any kind of
 significant police presence (funny, but the Chambers street station
 this morning had multiple possible places where someone could enter
 with a backpack, despite the fact that it opens directly inside
 Ground Zero and the path Trains to New Jersey). But even if there
 were police everywhere, there are still many places between stations
 where someone determined could enter.

Not to mention the subtle, expensive, and time-consuming methods for
putting people and things in-place that tend to be favoured by the Usual
Suspects.
 
 OK, OK...so the police are deterrents against a few lone crazy
 copycats, who don't have enough sense to enter away from police
 line-of-site. But it sure seems damned silly to be giving up 
 constitutional protection for the sake of  an image of protection.

You got one thing right:  it's damned silly.


Regards,

Steve

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Re: [Clips] Clippre: Police ask for tough new powers

2005-07-24 Thread Sarad AV

The govt. puts the blame on the intelligence for
failing and the intelligence community blames it on
tough laws that prevent them from eavesdropping. Then
they all go amending laws, show their commitment to
the public and reach a win-win situation. Somebody
somewhere should be responsible to take the blame if
this is to stop. The root cause of terrorism in many
cases is that - you screw them and they screw you.
That too has to stop.

Sarad.
 
  Police last night told Tony Blair that they need
 sweeping new powers to
  counter the terrorist threat, including the right
 to detain a suspect for
  up to three months without charge instead of the
 current 14 days.
 





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Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-24 Thread Tyler Durden




From: Steve Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Well, they got what they want...
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:01:30 -0400 (EDT)

--- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ...I'm sure most are aware that random searches has begun here in NYC,
 at subway stations and in the LIRR. Contraband (drugs, etc...) can get
 the owner arrested. The next step, of course, will be to start grabbing
 anyone carrying terrorist propaganda, such as the Qu'ran, leaflets,
 or even the New York Times.

You fucking 'tard; nobody is going to be arrested for carrying a copy of
the NYT.


Well, if you're saying what I think you're saying, I'm still not so sure. 
Lies of the Times indeed...the Times Liberal compared to NYPost, 
etc...is like Kodos compared to Kang.


BUT, -local- authorities just might declare it Liberal Propaganda. Or 
worse, ANY litereature (left, right) will be suspect.


Is this paranoid? A year or two I would have thought so. But things have 
gotten so out of wack that anything goes. Cellphones, of course, are the 
latest scary devices, and here in NYC the towers for them are down in key 
infrastructural places. I could easily see that being expanded into the Wall 
Street/downtown area, where we already have multiple barricades and machine 
gun armed cops.


Saw a local security expert on the news, and he stated the obvious: Random 
searches and whatnot are going to do zero for someone determined, but 
might deter someone who was thinking about blowing up the A train. In 
other words, everyone here in NYC knows that we've given up a lot for the 
sake of the appearence of security, but no one seems to give a damn.





Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-24 Thread sunder

Tyler Durden wrote:

Saw a local security expert on the news, and he stated the obvious: 
Random searches and whatnot are going to do zero for someone 
determined, but might deter someone who was thinking about blowing 
up the A train. In other words, everyone here in NYC knows that we've 
given up a lot for the sake of the appearence of security, but no one 
seems to give a damn.


I wouldn't say we've given up at all - after all, we've had no choice 
in the matter. We weren't asked if we wanted to be searched, we weren't 
asked if we were willing to give up liberty for the appearance of 
security, we weren't asked if we were ok with atrocities such as the 
unpatriot act, or the national ID disguised as a standardized driver's 
license, we weren't asked if we were willing to pay lots of tax dollars 
to finance more police on every corner and all the toys that they have 
purchased for these tasks, or the various hollow cement flower pots, 
and other barricades.


It's not exactly a liberty that we have sacrificed, when it was taken 
away without consent.  There is another word for this: theft.




Re: [Clips] Clippre: Police ask for tough new powers

2005-07-24 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 10:31 PM -0700 7/22/05, Sarad AV wrote:
The root cause of terrorism in many
cases is that - you screw them and they screw you.
That too has to stop.

The root cause of any war is that somebody didn't finish screwing
somebody. :-).

Finish what you start.

Cheers,
RAH
Who's feeling particularly Jacksonian, this morning...
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