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[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: TOR in Java?]
- Forwarded message from Nick Mathewson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: Nick Mathewson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:51:09 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TOR in Java? User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 08:21:20PM +0200, Oliver S. wrote: > I think that TOR-servers don't need to be that performant as their > usage is currently and will in future be very uncommon. So it would > be easier to deveop TOR in Java (or maybe even C#?). This would also > reduce the probability of security-issues like buffer-overflows (may- > be it would be even possible to go back the TOR-chain through chai- > ned buffer-overflows, i.e. BOs that go from one gate in the chain > from the previous). > What do you think of my idea. I think your idea is a fine one for somebody's spare time; we always need more implementations for the Tor protocol, and Java is a popular choice these days. You might want to start with the code from the Java Anon Proxy people; I don't know their current status here, but for a while, they had a working Tor *client* written in Java. Of course, a server is significantly more complicated, so there would be a lot more work. As for the performance issue: you are completely wrong about Tor servers not needing CPU; at reasonable bandwidth, the requirements are high. Fortunately, most of the CPU is used for AES, DH, and RSA, all of which any sane implementation will implement in native code, so one might stand a chance of having a compatible implementation of the Tor protocol written in a less performance critical language. In other words: if you want to clone Tor in Java, feel free! We look forward to your work. Note, however, that I keep talking about "compatible implementations" here. Tor is 49 thousand lines right now[1], and we're trying to strengthen incrementally it all the time. Throwing out the implementation that we've been working on for the last four years and starting again from scratch is not likely to work for us. As for the rest of this thread: language choice is a classical bike-shed problem[2]. Please, tread lightly, and consider whether what you're saying needs to be said. If you're worried about Java: there's no risk we'll switch the main Tor implementation to it in the foreseeable future. If you want Java: great, get some programmers together and bang out an implementation. [1] Tor has about 37.6 klines of code, and 11.4 klines of comments. [2] On bikesheds: http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/faq/16.19.shtml yrs, -- Nick Mathewson - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl http://leitl.org";>leitl __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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There's also some very nice advice for nontechnical people about things like Mixmaster, checking IP addresses, and how to DO a lot of stuff making use of the tools that are out there. It's a great little book. Oh yeah...I think Gilmore wrote a section in it. -TD From: Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Handbook for bloggers and cyber-dissidents] Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:28:06 +0200 - Forwarded message from Thomas Sj?gren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: Thomas Sj?gren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:20:14 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Handbook for bloggers and cyber-dissidents User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reporters Without Borders (Reporters sans fronti?res, RSF) has released a "Handbook for bloggers and cyber-dissidents": http://www.rsf.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=542 Topics include: How to blog anonymously Technical ways to get around censorship Ensuring your e-mail is truly private Internet-censor world championship From the chapter "How to blog anonymously": "Step five - Onion Routing through Tor [...] Given the complexity of the technology, Sarah is pleasantly surprised to discover how easy it is to install Tor, an onion routing system. She downloads an installer which installs Tor on her system, then downloads and installs Privoxy, a proxy that works with Tor and has the pleasant side benefit of removing most of the ads from the webpages Sarah views. After installing the software and restarting her machine, Sarah checks noreply.org and discovers that she is, in fact, successfully "cloaked" by the Tor system - noreply.org thinks shes logging on from Harvard University. She reloads, and now noreply thinks shes in Germany. From this she concludes that Tor is changing her identity from request to request, helping to protect her privacy. This has some odd consequences. When she uses Google through Tor, it keeps switching language on her. One search, its in English - another, Japanese. Then German, Danish and Dutch, all in the course of a few minutes. Sarah welcomes the opportunity to learn some new languages, but shes concerned about some other consequences. Sarah likes to contribute to Wikipedia, but discovers that Wikipedia blocks her attempts to edit articles when shes using Tor. Tor also seems to have some of the same problems Sarah was having with other proxies. Her surfing slows down quite a bit, as compared to surfing the web without a proxy - she finds that she ends up using Tor only when shes accessing sensitive content or posting to her blog. And shes once again tied to her home computer, since she cant install Tor on a public machine very easily. Most worrisome, though, she discovers that Tor sometimes stops working. Evidently, her ISP is starting to block some Tor routers - when Tor tries to use a blocked router, she can wait for minutes at a time, but doesnt get the webpage shes requested." -- - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl http://leitl.org";>leitl __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
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