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- Forwarded message from David Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: David Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:21:22 -0400 To: Ip Ip ip@v2.listbox.com Subject: [IP] Location tracking -- a bill of rights? X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Begin forwarded message: From: Brian Smithson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: October 13, 2005 4:55:01 PM EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Location tracking -- a bill of rights? [OK for IP if it's OK with you] Dave, I think Dennis' post about dodgeball gives a real life example of what I think should be the basic Bill of Rights for tracking devices. This is kind of rough, as I am making it up as I write. And pardon my wishful thinking :-). I. I should be informed of the existence of any tracking mechanism. This would include those which are integral to a product like in a cellphone, those which are deliberate add-ons like if dodgeball is an app I'm installing on my phone, and those which are embedded for some purpose unrelated to my own purpose like an RFID inventory- tracking tag in a sweater that I'm buying. Many people don't know that their phone can be used to track their location. Many more won't know that their *sweater* could be used to track their location. II. I should be able to turn the tracking function on and off. Of course, this may render the item useless, like a cellphone which can't communicate with its network. RFID companies won't like this one because RFIDs usually have no external controls and cost is a major factor in RFID adoption, so maybe it will be sufficient in some cases to simply be able to turn the function off (permanently). After I've bought the sweater, inventory tracking is no longer needed. III. I should be able to give explicit permission for trackers to track me for specific purposes. This would be like GLBA privacy laws, only let's try to make them actually work :-). So the cellphone carrier could track me, but only for the purpose of making the phone work unless I give them permission to do something else with that information. IV. I should be able to give permission through intermediaries. For example, I might want to give my cellphone carrier permission to give my tracking information to a third party for a particular purpose. This could have multiple levels, such as if (through a third party service, let's say dodgeball) I gave permission to Bob and Carol but denied it to Ted and Alice. V. I should own my tracking information. Those who facilitate tracking would have a license to the tracking data. I should be able to control how long it is retained by revoking that license. VI. Tracking facilitators are common carriers. Let's say I have a Verizon phone. If I want Verizon to make my tracking data available to another party, such a request should not be unreasonably refused. In other words, if I want Verizon to make my tracking data available to dodgeball, for example, they should not be able to refuse and insist that I use their social networking service instead. VII. I should be able to access records of who has been tracking me, when, and how. This may not be easy all the way to a personal level, but we should try. I can think of cases when I would want to know that on March 19th, Joe Blow at the phone company looked at my location records for the month of February. Or I might just want to know who location-enabled-spammed me when I had not given anyone permission to do that. VIII, IX, and X. I know there should be 10 rights, but I couldn't think of them. -- - Brian Smithson [EMAIL PROTECTED] - You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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At 2:08 PM +0200 10/14/05, Eugen Leitl wrote: I'm suggesting [EMAIL PROTECTED] as an alternative node to subscribe to. Amen. No problems here, either, pretty much since the node went up. In case his load goes up now, :-), is anyone else running his node-ware on another machine to keep him from being queen for a day? Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 04:49:00PM -0400, Brian Minder wrote: The minder.net CDR node will be shutting down on November 1, 2005. This includes the cypherpunks-moderated list. Please adjust your subscriptions accordingly. Thanks Brian. Indeed! Thanks, Brian, for having run an excellent node for quite a long while. I'm suggesting [EMAIL PROTECTED] as an alternative node to subscribe to. To subscribe, talk to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using the standard lingo. -- Riad S. Wahby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: cypherpunks@minder.net closing on 11/1
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Re: cypherpunks@minder.net closing on 11/1
At 2:08 PM +0200 10/14/05, Eugen Leitl wrote: I'm suggesting [EMAIL PROTECTED] as an alternative node to subscribe to. Amen. No problems here, either, pretty much since the node went up. In case his load goes up now, :-), is anyone else running his node-ware on another machine to keep him from being queen for a day? Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: cypherpunks@minder.net closing on 11/1
Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 04:49:00PM -0400, Brian Minder wrote: The minder.net CDR node will be shutting down on November 1, 2005. This includes the cypherpunks-moderated list. Please adjust your subscriptions accordingly. Thanks Brian. Indeed! Thanks, Brian, for having run an excellent node for quite a long while. I'm suggesting [EMAIL PROTECTED] as an alternative node to subscribe to. To subscribe, talk to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using the standard lingo. -- Riad S. Wahby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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