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Jim Darling
Do I have this right the school yard bully comes and you all run away. Jim Darling comes on your list after it has been running for three years,he starts spaming his slashdot spam to the list,opens his node up to every spammer in the world,and you all run to a moderated list. He enjoys calling you CACL what ever that is and you do nothing and the goldbergs leave the list and the Taylors replace them. Cut the link Einstein.ssz.com then we can have real good unmoderated list,right Tim. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
JIM DARLING
You lie you cry you spam. You lied to me when you said you stared this list. You say this list is unmoderated yet you cry and say some one users your name.unmoderated is unmoderated. All your posts are off topic. What is this CACL you talk about is it the ones who have asked you to stop,I think that is most people on the list. You have chosen to act like a baby and not like a man If you acted this way in a bar,you would have your face based in. To all can we unplug the einstein node from this list __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
JIM DARLING
The problem with this list is if some one new who can contribute to the topic on this list who knows what they are talking about. They do not want a moderated list nor do they want to wade though Jims spam. Can we drop Einstein from the list? Yes I know how to filter, but why should we all have to download his spam. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
Girls will be girls
Is this girl code. Aimee i'am looking for the sheep e: > Aimee wrote: > > > > To wit, no two people can safely tell the same lie to the same person. > > Bah. I say it depends entirely on what the lie is, who's being > lied to, and how > confident and artistic the confidence artists are. You're probably right. > Choate: > > Actually they can, only one (or both, if we allow 3 or more agents, only > > one is required to 'know' the lie) of the people must believe it is the > > truth. > > If they were good enough (and their targets comfortable enough), all three > could be lying their asses off about anything and nobody would ever be the > wiser. Likewise, with three or more targets playing it the other > direction. > > > >Well, I doan' kno' nuttin' 'bout no agents. That fact has been > established. > > Careful parsing is the spice of life... :P So sayeth the academic-researcher-grad student pretext... :P > >But, you know, after pondering on that a bit...What if "the lie" was > >supposedly "really secret stuff?" > >You know, "ME LUCKY CHARMS!" > >I know the little boys and girls are after me lucky charms. > >If "3 or more agents" happen to run in the door with me lucky charms, > > Sounds about right. Yep, they would be lucky and charming. > >that might smell really fishy to some people since leprechauns > are hard to > >catch. > > Somewhere over the rainbow. > >Furthermore, if you ask them about these lucky charms in isolation, they > >better know the lucky charms like the back of their hand, or further > >investigation is likely to review not-so-lucky inconsistencies. The > >"knowing" part can be rendered irrelevant by context, indeed it is > >sometimes imperative that everybody KNOW so as to > provide...uhm.secondary > >alternative consistency. > > But what about when the unlucky charmers find they're actually the victims > of a deceivers-deceiving-the-deceivers-deceiving-the-deceivers > kind of thing. Recursive is just writing backwards. > What shows that the snowers know they've slowly been snowed? Bet > it keeps a lot > of people awake at night, that one. Tricky, but fascinating. If > anyone knows of > any good links to counter-deception detection, drop me a line. > Not sure how "on > topic" it is, but something everyone here would do well to read > about. Either > that, or just default to not trusting anyone, ever. Works for me. Empathy skills in personal matters. On a grand scale: 1. counterdeception teams - multidisciplinary, "non-cultured," outsiders -- creatives, narratives, hoaxers, jokesters, emplotters, etc. 2. devil's advocacy in the event stream 3. competitive analysis 4. MUST HAVE: highest-level precision black channels -- requiring nothing short of a resurrection. Close surveillance. Sneaky submarines are not good enough. 5. Cultural change -- a bit of British eccentricity; decision-maker sensitization 6. Monitoring of foreign open source media and organizational theme variations (quantitative content and textual analysis; inferential scanning) 7. Monitoring of internal organizational dissenters, noncomformists and the intuitives (instead of quashing them, solicit them) Sounds down your alley of interests, interested in your thoughts. Due to the changing nature of the world, the U.S. could easily find itself hoodwinked, isolated, paralyzed and worse. It used to be "Uproar in the East, strike in the West." Today, it's "Fool the Sky." (transparent or false-flag cover plan) Our goal-states, perceptions, decision-points, etc. are there for all to see. Most deceptions play upon expectations. Our surveillance capabilities and superior military seem to point to a BARBAROSSA scenario -- a grand deception. Concealed within our strength is our weakness. > >And, "lucky charm lies" can take many forms, including physical, > which might > >be subject to verification, additional investigation and other > stuff I don't > >want to happen to me lucky charms, because I might want the > enemy to believe > >they are TRULY "lucky," "charmed," and "mine." > >I'm sure "it depends," but perhaps that wisdom came from just such a > >situation. > > Oh really? *blink blink* like what? "The Allies are landing at Normandy!" ..."It's just a trick." "What does German intelligence say?" ...Just what the British told them. The comment was from a review of FORTITUDE (deception plan) by one of the British designers. We could learn a lot from them --- save hundreds of thousands of lives by using these concepts defensively, domestically, and in new contexts. With each day that passes, we loose more of the window, and waste our resources on low-return countermeasures which do nothing but present 'barriers of certainty' to our adversaries, albeit a thin veil of comfort to our population. (I frequently point out that the Germans practically held hands along railways, and we still blew them all to heck in WW II.) In some places, we are taking actions that play into deception designs. Maybe we should chan
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> > To wit, no two people can safely tell the same lie to the same person. Choate: > Actually they can, only one (or both, if we allow 3 or more agents, only > one is required to 'know' the lie) of the people must believe it is the > truth. Well, I doan' kno' nuttin' 'bout no agents. That fact has been established. But, you know, after pondering on that a bit...What if "the lie" was supposedly "really secret stuff?" You know, "ME LUCKY CHARMS!" I know the little boys and girls are after me lucky charms. If "3 or more agents" happen to run in the door with me lucky charms, that might smell really fishy to some people since leprechauns are hard to catch. Furthermore, if you ask them about these lucky charms in isolation, they better know the lucky charms like the back of their hand, or further investigation is likely to review not-so-lucky inconsistencies. The "knowing" part can be rendered irrelevant by context, indeed it is sometimes Choate,Talor,Agent Farr imperative that everybody KNOW so as to provide...uhm.secondary and alternative consistency. And, "lucky charm lies" can take many forms, including physical, which might be subject to verification, additional investigation and other stuff I don't want to happen to me lucky charms, because I might want the enemy to believe they are TRULY "lucky," "charmed," and "mine." I'm sure "it depends," but perhaps that wisdom came from just such a situation. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
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Yes the more people the loon poster had to put in his kill file,the blinder he would get untill he saw no one In the end he would be on the list on his own. WOW I like it. Guys and Gals it is up to you. CLEAN THE LIST. find the net loons we have on this list is more than I can take So I think from now on I will be forwarding their post back to them,they will then have to put me in their kill file,can any one see where this leading? __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
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Jim Darling Your words the list was killed by its sponsor the next post you say he was to lazy to kill it which is it. I DID START A LIST IT WAS THIS ONE again your words John and Decland spent thir own time and money again you say this is a lie Jim darling when you are in a corner you act like a silly little boy and try to lie your way out. If you was my son I put you over my knee and spank you for lies to me On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, [iso-8859-1] jill jill wrote: > Jim Darling >I see you are still mad at Tim,you know Jim Darling > Tim did help start the list,maybe you should go and > start your own list,you could call it Jim's list. I'm not 'mad at Tim'. I just think he's a dumbass. He didn't start this list. The list he helped start was killed by its sponsor (which wasn't Tim). I did start a list, it is this one. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
Jim Darling
Jim Darling Stop making such a fool of yourself every one can read the same as you,each day that goes bye that you post nothing you go into another persons garbage pail. your at the point now that if you really had somthink to say no one would listen to you. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
Jim Darling
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Bell Johnson Taylor and Choate are naughty little boys who want their own way, WHO ALL BEND OVER WHEN THE FEDS COME.like you Jim,grow up. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
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Dear Jim Woman's logic tell me I should make a deal. So I will stop useing cypherpunks for storage if proff11,jeri and you dear Jim will stop using it for storage. On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, [iso-8859-1] jill jill wrote: > Thanks Jim > Jim Choate says it is ok to use cypherpunks to store > material so i'am sending some of my patterns,i have > about 200 of these,thanks again Jim. >with the CDR >directly nor does our policies effect them, or their >policies effect us. >.If you want to store something I suggest you talk to >the person whose >property you are using. >I also said that submissions should be reasonably on .topic related to .cryptography, civil liberties, and economics. You must be one of those people who just can't stand to let other people alone. You'll find good company in the CACL crowd here. -- James Choate - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.ssz.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
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