Re: potential new IETF WG on anonymous IPSec

2004-09-10 Thread Zooko O'Whielcronx
On 2004, Sep 09, , at 16:57, Hal Finney wrote:
To clarify, this is not really anonymous in the usual sense.  Rather 
it
is a proposal to an extension to IPsec to allow for unauthenticated
connections.  Presently IPsec relies on either pre-shared secrets or a
trusted third party CA to authenticate the connection.  The new 
proposal
would let connections go forward using a straight Diffie-Hellman type
exchange without authentication.
...
I don't think anonymous is the right word for this, and I hope the
IETF comes up with a better one as they go forward.
I believe that in the context of e-mail [1, 2, 3, 4] and FreeSWAN this 
is called opportunistic encryption.

Regards,
Zooko
[1] http://www.templetons.com/brad/crypt.html
[2] http://bitconjurer.org/envelope.html
[3] http://pps.sourceforge.net/
[4] http://www.advogato.org/article/391.html


Re: potential new IETF WG on anonymous IPSec

2004-09-10 Thread Zooko O'Whielcronx
On 2004, Sep 09, , at 16:57, Hal Finney wrote:
To clarify, this is not really anonymous in the usual sense.  Rather 
it
is a proposal to an extension to IPsec to allow for unauthenticated
connections.  Presently IPsec relies on either pre-shared secrets or a
trusted third party CA to authenticate the connection.  The new 
proposal
would let connections go forward using a straight Diffie-Hellman type
exchange without authentication.
..
I don't think anonymous is the right word for this, and I hope the
IETF comes up with a better one as they go forward.
I believe that in the context of e-mail [1, 2, 3, 4] and FreeSWAN this 
is called opportunistic encryption.

Regards,
Zooko
[1] http://www.templetons.com/brad/crypt.html
[2] http://bitconjurer.org/envelope.html
[3] http://pps.sourceforge.net/
[4] http://www.advogato.org/article/391.html