Re: Assassination Politics: Coming soon?
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 02:58 PM, Mike Diehl wrote: On Monday 18 November 2002 07:24 pm, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Keith Ray wrote: It's been a number of years since Jim Bell wrote his infamous Assassination Politics essay. If someone were to try to implement the system today and not share Jim Bell's fate, they would need absolute anonymity and security. The technical requirements for implementing the system are: I'm not well informed. What was Jim Bell's fate? Google will give you immediate information. Several good introductory articles, including the Declan M. article already linked to in this thread. --Tim May The State is the great fiction by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else. --Frederic Bastiat
Re: Assassination Politics: Coming soon?
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Keith Ray wrote: It's been a number of years since Jim Bell wrote his infamous Assassination Politics essay. If someone were to try to implement the system today and not share Jim Bell's fate, they would need absolute anonymity and security. The technical requirements for implementing the system are: 1. Anonymous and secure communication between the organization and the contributors and guessors. 2. Anonymous payment system. 3. Anonymous public presense of the organization to solicit contributions and display bounties to potential assassins. At the time AP was written, only the first requirement could have been met using the mixmaster remailer network. The last two requirements were not yet available. Not true. Usenet is a fine forum for anonymous discussion. See Blacknet. However, two new systems, DMT and Freenet, could be used to meet the anonymous payment and anonymous public presense requirements. Freenet is irrelevant. As for the DMT Rand, and assuming it is a viable currency, the question should be will there be a large enough anonymity set to make this practical. That has always been a problem with this scheme. Even if anonymous digital cash is available, if the number of users is below a threshold limit there will be no actual anonymity gained. (Oh, and there is still the messy issue of the wetwork involved. Someone still needs to get out there and whack the poor git.) If someone did want to implement AP, would DMT/Yodel, Freenet, and Mixmaster be good enough to keep the TLA's from shutting the system down? That is an entirely different question. The answer is no -- if Mixmaster were regularly used as a key component in an assassination market, running Mixmaster would become illegal. Those remailer operators who would persist in running Mixmaster would be jailed or disappeared. Or the Rand could be attacked, and use of non-government currency could be made illegal. If you are reduced to an anonymity set of fellow criminals, it doesn't matter if your individual crime is not known. If use or possession of the Rand is a crime, you're shit out of luck. AP as presented is unworkable. It is amusing that the IRS so got its panties bunched over such an impractical scheme. (Oh, btw -- expect an audit, Keith, if you are unfortunate enough to be a US taxpayer.) If one wanted to do a cyberspace assassination market, it could be done without anonymous digital cash, assuming there was some degree of financial trust between the players. (Negotiation of price and target can be done using Mixmaster, PGP encryption, and Usenet. Payment can be rendered via an anonymous numbered offshore bank account accessible by anyone who has the number/password combination. The buyer provides this information to the seller after the hit, or perhaps splits the payment across two accounts and does a half now, half on delivery system. Insert standard reputation capital system ideas here, wherein certain buyers and sellers are known to be reliable, and have persistent nyms because of PGP signatures. This is nothing new -- Blacknet demonstrated this could be done with information. It is a small step to extend the black market brokering to meatspace deeds. -MW-
Re: Assassination Politics: Coming soon?
On Monday 18 November 2002 07:24 pm, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Keith Ray wrote: It's been a number of years since Jim Bell wrote his infamous Assassination Politics essay. If someone were to try to implement the system today and not share Jim Bell's fate, they would need absolute anonymity and security. The technical requirements for implementing the system are: I'm not well informed. What was Jim Bell's fate? -- Mike Diehl PGP Encrypted E-mail preferred. Public Key via: http://dominion.dyndns.org/~mdiehl/mdiehl.asc
Re: Assassination Politics: Coming soon?
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 02:58 PM, Mike Diehl wrote: On Monday 18 November 2002 07:24 pm, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Keith Ray wrote: It's been a number of years since Jim Bell wrote his infamous Assassination Politics essay. If someone were to try to implement the system today and not share Jim Bell's fate, they would need absolute anonymity and security. The technical requirements for implementing the system are: I'm not well informed. What was Jim Bell's fate? Google will give you immediate information. Several good introductory articles, including the Declan M. article already linked to in this thread. --Tim May The State is the great fiction by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else. --Frederic Bastiat
Assassination Politics: Coming soon? They cant lock us all up.
It's been a number of years since Jim Bell wrote his infamous Assassination Politics essay. If someone were to try to implement the system today and not share Jim Bell's fate, they would need absolute anonymity and security. The technical requirements for implementing the system are: 1. Anonymous and secure communication between the organization and the contributors and guessors. 2. Anonymous payment system. 3. Anonymous public presense of the organization to solicit contributions and display bounties to potential assassins. At the time AP was written, only the first requirement could have been met using the mixmaster remailer network. The last two requirements were not yet available. However, two new systems, DMT and Freenet, could be used to meet the anonymous payment and anonymous public presense requirements. If someone did want to implement AP, would DMT/Yodel, Freenet, and Mixmaster be good enough to keep the TLA's from shutting the system down? Why don't you try it and report back? I will be on freenet soon as the rush dies down for the latest release.I am good for a few yodels a week. There's no downside if you want to be a operation soft drill martyr like me.I actually think conspiratorial APster is attractive to extremely few twisted individuals,Kung Fu movie affectionado's and Mooks like Mongo. Go with the (open) source Luke. The soft drill distro. Who do you want to kill today? In honor of absent friend JB,I renominate Saddam as that was his first example of an reasonable prediction.(my 2$) Better wager,wager,wager than war,war,war. www.stiffs.com Hire Sandline by subscription. http://www.primitivism.com/assassination.htm If we find negligence on the side of any person or institution... http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Public_20Subscription_20Assassination ... Public Subscription Assassination .Assassins sans Frontiers. Share Jims fate for world peace...like the fat goon in 'Nico,above the law, He can't kill us all. Assassination politics* is also called Predator Drone* and hellfire Missile*
Assassination Politics: Coming soon?
It's been a number of years since Jim Bell wrote his infamous Assassination Politics essay. If someone were to try to implement the system today and not share Jim Bell's fate, they would need absolute anonymity and security. The technical requirements for implementing the system are: 1. Anonymous and secure communication between the organization and the contributors and guessors. 2. Anonymous payment system. 3. Anonymous public presense of the organization to solicit contributions and display bounties to potential assassins. At the time AP was written, only the first requirement could have been met using the mixmaster remailer network. The last two requirements were not yet available. However, two new systems, DMT and Freenet, could be used to meet the anonymous payment and anonymous public presense requirements. If someone did want to implement AP, would DMT/Yodel, Freenet, and Mixmaster be good enough to keep the TLA's from shutting the system down? -- Keith Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- OpenPGP Key: 0x79269A12
Assassination Politics: Coming soon?
It's been a number of years since Jim Bell wrote his infamous Assassination Politics essay. If someone were to try to implement the system today and not share Jim Bell's fate, they would need absolute anonymity and security. The technical requirements for implementing the system are: 1. Anonymous and secure communication between the organization and the contributors and guessors. 2. Anonymous payment system. 3. Anonymous public presense of the organization to solicit contributions and display bounties to potential assassins. At the time AP was written, only the first requirement could have been met using the mixmaster remailer network. The last two requirements were not yet available. However, two new systems, DMT and Freenet, could be used to meet the anonymous payment and anonymous public presense requirements. If someone did want to implement AP, would DMT/Yodel, Freenet, and Mixmaster be good enough to keep the TLA's from shutting the system down? -- Keith Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- OpenPGP Key: 0x79269A12
