Re: Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case

2001-12-20 Thread mattd

Sunder>>I'm afraid we wouldn't make a very good road show...

True for me and you and all,Still I just luv the subject headline,conjures 
up delightful imagery. 




Re: Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case

2001-12-19 Thread Jim Choate


On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Sunder wrote:

> Ok, show of hands
> 
> Who here claims to be a member of CACL?
> 
> Ok, of those who claim to be members of CACL's, who claims to be a
> self-appointed CACL genius?
> 
> Tim?  Declan?  Anyone?

You should quit your day job and take this on the road.


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Re: Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case

2001-12-19 Thread Sunder

Ok, show of hands

Who here claims to be a member of CACL?

Ok, of those who claim to be members of CACL's, who claims to be a
self-appointed CACL genius?

Tim?  Declan?  Anyone?

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  /|\  :masked killer, but  |don't email them, or put them on a web  \|/
 + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often.
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Gil Hamilton wrote:
> 
> > It's interesting to note how much more pleasant Choate was in his
> > early days on the list.  In those days, he was not so intent on
> > showing everyone that he was an authority on all possible subjects.
> 
> That was before I knew what kind of sharks swim in this pool. You don't
> like my interaction then change yours. I treat you people the way you
> treated me back then. I didn't start it. Go talk to Tim, Delcan, and the
> rest of the self-appointed CACL geniuses.
> 
> You reap what you sow.
> 
> 
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Re: Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case

2001-12-19 Thread Sunder


Sigh... I wonder if there is anything inChoate doesn't misunderstand  
We may never know...

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  /|\  :masked killer, but  |don't email them, or put them on a web  \|/
 + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net 

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:

> Choate misunderstands journalism. When writing about an appeals court 





Re: Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case

2001-12-14 Thread Declan McCullagh

On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 11:39:18AM +1100, Ralph Wallis wrote:
> I liked this early post:
> http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1993/11/msg01024.html
> 
> (and it has the earnestness of a newcomer.)

Yep! It's surprisingly -- almost -- sweet.

-Declan



Re: CDR: Re: Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case

2001-12-13 Thread Jim Choate


On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Gil Hamilton wrote:

> It's interesting to note how much more pleasant Choate was in his
> early days on the list.  In those days, he was not so intent on
> showing everyone that he was an authority on all possible subjects.

That was before I knew what kind of sharks swim in this pool. You don't
like my interaction then change yours. I treat you people the way you
treated me back then. I didn't start it. Go talk to Tim, Delcan, and the
rest of the self-appointed CACL geniuses.

You reap what you sow.


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Re: Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case

2001-12-13 Thread Jim Choate


On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Ralph Wallis wrote:

> On Thursday, 13 Dec 2001 at 03:33, mattd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Disgruntled cypherpunk of the Year." me,when I find out this is not about 
> > an axe attack on tim may
> > 
> > Choates not a poster,he's a spamming menace.How longs he been here?
> 
> Choate
> first post:
> http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.1996.03.28-1996.04.03/msg00034.html

Way wrong oh buddy boy.

I joined the toad.com list in early to mid '93, known about it since about
two days after it actually formed. The Austin Cypherpunks were formed in
'94 and the discussion and formation was on the toad.com list. SSZ went
online in Oct. of 94 when ISDN became available.


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Re: Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case

2001-12-13 Thread Gil Hamilton

From: Ralph Wallis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

> > Choates not a poster,he's a spamming menace.How longs he been here?
>
>Choate
>first post:
>http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.1996.03.28-1996.04.03/
>msg00034.html

Naw, he's been around longer than that.  This is the earliest
message I can find:
http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1993/11/msg00633.html

It's interesting to note how much more pleasant Choate was in his
early days on the list.  In those days, he was not so intent on
showing everyone that he was an authority on all possible subjects.

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Re: Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case

2001-12-12 Thread Jim Choate


On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:

> Choate misunderstands journalism. 

Not at all, journalism is the act of interacting with others about their
actions and beliefs in the hope that you can spin doctor the reality into
something people will find enteraining and hence pay money for.

It's a great job for those who can't teach.


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Re: Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case

2001-12-12 Thread Declan McCullagh

Choate misunderstands journalism. When writing about an appeals court 
decision, it's generally not appropriate to cite the ravings of Net.wackos
in an obscure newsgroup or mailing list a decade ago. Choate shows
again he's not merely a Net.wacko; he's a Net.loon.

Heck, I didn't even cite a Harvard Law Review article specifically
on this case -- wasn't necessary. 

It may be that Choate has said spam is trespass. But I'm not sure why
anyone could care.

-Declan


On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 07:28:42AM -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
> Who again has been saying for 10+ years that this sort of behaviour (incl.
> Open Relay scanning, which isn't covered here) is trespass? Check the
> archives folks...will Declan give predictive credit where credit is due?
> Probably not, that takes being honest...
> 
> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,49031,00.html
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
>  --
> 
> 
>  Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind.
> 
>  Bumper Sticker
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> 




Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case

2001-12-12 Thread mattd

"Disgruntled cypherpunk of the Year." me,when I find out this is not about 
an axe attack on tim may

Choates not a poster,he's a spamming menace.How longs he been here?