Re: BigBrotherWare
On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 12:50:57PM -0800, Michael Cardenas wrote: > Tim May wrote: > >(Much has been made of how the Microsoft- and Intel-backed security > >regimes will be "opt in" or "voluntary." This seems dubious. It is > >precisely the non-volunteers who these companies, and Hollywood, and > >the Nation States, will be most concerned about. So I would expect > >this "opt in" approach to not be the full picture.) > Microsoft is pushing hard to get palladium into the silicon, with intel > and amd happy to comply. It's hard to imagine how it will be voluntary > after that happens. S. Jobs isn't all that hip on Palladium style stuff (although he'll do what he's told), and linux runs on anything. The Europeans will be incredibly dubious of any chip/os level security after what the NSA has done to them over the years, so they'll probably form a committee to design something similar but incompatible. Being that it'll come out of a committee, it'll take 10 years to get a spec, and drive development of single-die multi-cpu chip architecture, which will get us cheap SMP boxes. I'm not all that worried about it, after all, outside of graphic design software Linux already does everything I need, and more than most people need. Sure, it's not as polished, as integrated etc. But it's about at the level of Windows95, if you use something like KDE or GNOME. -- I stand on principle, because it's the only place where I| Quit smoking: don't get shit on my boots. | 242d, 9h ago | petro@ | bounty.org
Re: BigBrotherWare
Tim May wrote: Speculation: I expect the battles over cyberspace to shift to the OS, with the leading private (non open source) OS makers "enlisted" in the War Against Illegal Thoughts. The easiest initial front in this war, one the OS companies like Apple and Microsoft have a corporate interest in, is for the OS to more aggressively check for hacks or products not approved. Software registration and signatures will of course not be granted to DVD hacks. This is exactly what Palladium is all about, forcing people to use only approved software. Maybe they'll be md5summing websites for version 2 of palladium and only letting you read approved content. (Much has been made of how the Microsoft- and Intel-backed security regimes will be "opt in" or "voluntary." This seems dubious. It is precisely the non-volunteers who these companies, and Hollywood, and the Nation States, will be most concerned about. So I would expect this "opt in" approach to not be the full picture.) Microsoft is pushing hard to get palladium into the silicon, with intel and amd happy to comply. It's hard to imagine how it will be voluntary after that happens. -- michael cardenas | lead software engineer, lindows.com hyperpoem.net | GNU/Linux software developer people.debian.org/~mbc | encrypted mail preferred "Be the change you wish to see in the world" -Mahatma Gandhi
BigBrotherWare,
>>>All one has to do is to refuse to upgrade. Unless you get over the upgrade hype there is no cure - it's unlikely that home-manufactured computers for the masses will be a reality any time soon. The short life span of hw/sw platforms gives tremenduous power to mass manufacturers. It becomes like food industry. Only this one is not base on need for carbohydrates and proteins (and fat, of course), but on manufactured hype about value of "new" vs. "old". Most of the stuff (except games) works perfectly functionally today in hw/sw combinations from 1997. E-mail, http clients, ftp, usenet, graphic design/DTP, wordprocessors. This is not a long-term solution, but it's the best there is. What kind of effort is required to make computers (=hw+sw) have longevity of books, and therefore eliminate the power of "publishers" ? << This has been discussed at the Register under the term,' stuckist,' web,I believe. It could help make my Dell usable when and if I ever get it back. I am running windows 98 se on this boxen as an experiment in stuckism. (though hoping to go to full crypto penguin one day.) Palladium looks dead in the water,though it will be fun blasting away at the corpse. "Mongo is the great fiction by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else."
Re: BigBrotherWare
> Speculation: I expect the battles over cyberspace to shift to the OS, > with the leading private (non open source) OS makers "enlisted" in the > War Against Illegal Thoughts. The easiest initial front in this war, > one the OS companies like Apple and Microsoft have a corporate interest > in, is for the OS to more aggressively check for hacks or products not All one has to do is to refuse to upgrade. Unless you get over the upgrade hype there is no cure - it's unlikely that home-manufactured computers for the masses will be a reality any time soon. The short life span of hw/sw platforms gives tremenduous power to mass manufacturers. It becomes like food industry. Only this one is not base on need for carbohydrates and proteins (and fat, of course), but on manufactured hype about value of "new" vs. "old". Most of the stuff (except games) works perfectly functionally today in hw/sw combinations from 1997. E-mail, http clients, ftp, usenet, graphic design/DTP, wordprocessors. This is not a long-term solution, but it's the best there is. What kind of effort is required to make computers (=hw+sw) have longevity of books, and therefore eliminate the power of "publishers" ? = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: BigBrotherWare
On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 12:29 PM, Michael Motyka wrote: I believe that the primary battle, subversion of the proprietary OS and mainstream applications for intelligence purposes, was over before we even thought about fighting it. Now the commercial interests are being brought into the fold. Care to share your reasons for believing this? Nobody has reported solid evidence that Mac OS 9 or X is spying on customers and then dialing up Big Brother, nor even that buggy Windows code had the bugs deliberately inserted. If Windows 98 or NT or 2000 or XP was in fact providing a covert channel to BB and someone found this (by instrumenting the connections, by decompiling, etc.), this would be Very Big News. A career-creator bigger than what Wagner and Goldberg did with the random number generator flaw. So far, nobody has found such a smoking gun. --Tim May "The State is the great fiction by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else." --Frederic Bastiat
