Re: CDR: Re: What is Anarchism?
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Matthew X wrote: Anarchism is the belief that people are basically good, (Shoate shite) Sez who? Sez you, actually.. A lot of people attracted to anarchism seem to think like Lord Acton,that power corrupts and the less your average person has over you the safer you'll be. Thank you for agreeing with me, people are basically good. Othewise what is being corrupted? If they're already bad, then what is being corrupted? Nothing, they're already corrupt. If they're already corrupt then you have to accept the fact that even if we were in the nirvana state of anarchy at least some people would not see it as their best interest, and would do something about it (which by the way is where the 'big stick' observation about anarchy comes into play - however much you might want to deny it). Anarchy is that people would get along if left to their own ends and didn't have to put up with 'governments'. The problem is that 'governments' don't exist outside of individuals anymore than forests exist without trees. You can take the tree out of the forest, you can't take the forest out of the trees. You can take people out of government, but you can't take government out of people. The way people speak of 'government' as if it were something extant outside of peoples minds and hearts is truly schizo. Typical CACL double-speak. People attracted to anarchy, irrespective of their intelligence, are emotionaly stunted. -- We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, Plan 9 from Outer Space [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org
Re: CDR: Re: What is Anarchism?
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Matthew X wrote: Anarchism is the belief that people are basically good, (Shoate shite) Sez who? Sez you, actually.. A lot of people attracted to anarchism seem to think like Lord Acton,that power corrupts and the less your average person has over you the safer you'll be. Thank you for agreeing with me, people are basically good. Othewise what is being corrupted? If they're already bad, then what is being corrupted? Nothing, they're already corrupt. If they're already corrupt then you have to accept the fact that even if we were in the nirvana state of anarchy at least some people would not see it as their best interest, and would do something about it (which by the way is where the 'big stick' observation about anarchy comes into play - however much you might want to deny it). Anarchy is that people would get along if left to their own ends and didn't have to put up with 'governments'. The problem is that 'governments' don't exist outside of individuals anymore than forests exist without trees. You can take the tree out of the forest, you can't take the forest out of the trees. You can take people out of government, but you can't take government out of people. The way people speak of 'government' as if it were something extant outside of peoples minds and hearts is truly schizo. Typical CACL double-speak. People attracted to anarchy, irrespective of their intelligence, are emotionaly stunted. -- We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, Plan 9 from Outer Space [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org
CDR: Re: What is Anarchism?
Anarchism is the belief that people are basically good, (Shoate shite) Sez who? A lot of people attracted to anarchism seem to think like Lord Acton,that power corrupts and the less your average person has over you the safer you'll be. Isn't Christianity the belief that people are basically good? that they are corrupted by interaction with others. And as a result the way to make the world a more idyllic place is to minimize the ways in which individuals may interact (eg abolition of government, law, etc.). This is really spectacular bollocks and betrays your complete pig ignorance of anarchism. It ignores that people are not good and that they are not 'corrupted' by anything other than simple existance. Well I do believe most people are good and I would hardly bother trying anything if I didn't think that.You have made it clear in the past that ya'll think we need the state and representative democracy is the best way to run it.No wonder everyone here cant stand you. Note that anarchism is a form of socialism or 'control economy' style of government, it requires -all- participants to behave and interact in the same manner. No more than a free market jimmy.There is a difference between a widely discredited authoritarian socialism and libertarian socialism btw.Do you have any cites for what your shovelling? It further a priori limits their choices as to what they are allowed to do. For example, they are prevented from creating a social contract to create a government. Anarchism is self-contradictory. If your saying anarchists should respect the rights and freedoms of statist swine to gang up on the public well they don't much anymore,they used to and they got run over.So,no we won't be in the front line of free speech for fascists.(cept odd bods like Noam C.) Look we have the web now so there is no excuse for willful ignorance...search and ye shall find. http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931/ When arguing with the dim bulbs of anarcho-capitalism I like... http://world.std.com/~mhuben/leftlib.html Because it's off a centrist-statist site cretins like you can relate to.
